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Anonymous 102514

Has wikipedia become unusable for anyone else? I can't tell if I'm just getting dumber or developing some early onset dementia, but some of these pages are utter nonsense. Like what does this sentence even mean?
>Animal monsters are outside the moral order, but sometimes have their origin in some human violation of the moral law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster
The surrounding context doesn't help, and I literally can't parse what the fuck this sentence is trying to convey to me.

It isn't so bad in other places, but it feels like as time goes by wikipedia has degraded in quality more and more.

Anonymous 102520

>>102514
yeah within the past months i've seen some pretty horrid wiki pages filled with poor grammar and syntax. couple that with the fact that a page i visited yesterday detailing a mosque bombing incident by a TIM recently changed all his pronouns to she/her, wikipedia has become very disappointing

Anonymous 102525

>>102514
Nearly every wikipedia article is controlled and edited by a group of 10 or so people. I suspect most of them are trannies too.

Anonymous 102529

>Animal monsters are outside the moral order,
Meaning monsters can't be good/evil because there is no sense of morality to them. The same way that a dog couldn't commit murder even if it kills someone because a dog has no concept of morals.

>but sometimes have their origin in some human violation of the moral law.

Meaning that the monster may be a punishment by the gods for a human breaking morals (example: God sends a 2 headed tiger to kill villagers because they didn't tithe to him), but that the two headed tiger itself is still not good/evil because it has no sense of morality.

Anonymous 102530

>>102529
HOW did you dissect that sentence? what skills must one learn to be able to do that. I am dumby

Anonymous 102542

>>102529
>Meaning that the monster may be a punishment by the gods for a human breaking morals (example: God sends a 2 headed tiger to kill villagers because they didn't tithe to him), but that the two headed tiger itself is still not good/evil because it has no sense of morality.
You are correct the second part of the sentence is this direct, and I did manage to parse it.
>Meaning monsters can't be good/evil because there is no sense of morality to them.
According to who? Hell, what the fuck even is a "moral order"? Assuming it exists, how can something be "outside" it? If they meant "the creature has no sense of morality" than they should have said that, but that doesn't sound like what "outside the moral order" implies.
> The same way that a dog couldn't commit murder even if it kills someone because a dog has no concept of morals.
So the moral order is the law?

I suppose the more direct version is
>what differentiates an animal monster from a non-animal monster? Is it just being human-shaped? Or is it sentience and/or sapience?
>what the fuck a moral order is
>how something manages to be outside it

>>102536

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster
>Anyhow anything can be a monster or a creature including you.
How does the simple article manage to be even more nonsense?

Anonymous 102574

>>102542
>According to who? Hell, what the fuck even is a "moral order"? Assuming it exists, how can something be "outside" it? If they meant "the creature has no sense of morality" than they should have said that, but that doesn't sound like what "outside the moral order" implies.
Moral order means standards of conduct and behaviour. Covering all things- from sex to trading to religious rituals. It is not legislated law, no, though there may be crossover and the two will always interact. Especially in the past where there were much fewer formal laws (e.g. having no age of consent does not mean anything goes).

Being outside of it means you are in a different category where it doesn't apply. Which monsters apparently are.

>Assuming it exists

It's describing a culture/beliefs. You don't 'assume' anything, your culture and musing don't come into it.

Anonymous 102592

>>102530
Just like, go step by step? One word at a time and then just process chunks of it instead of the entire sentence at first. That's kind of how it works for me when I read about things with a lot of jargon.



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