Ukraine anonettes Anonymous 124584
How is the situation in Ukraine? What are you going to do now?
My heart goes out to you.
i'm worried about a girl from Ukraine i used to talk to. she was from here.
basshitsu, i hope you're okay and i'd like to talk to you again. i'm sorry for ghosting but life happened.
There's a ukrainian thread already.
<3 I love you my fellow Ukraine anons. I hope our loved ones all stay safe.
I don't know if my opinion is going to be welcomed here since I'm not from Ukraine but Bulgaria - wich is quite close to Ukraine, under it with only Romania dividing the two countries.
I don't think that there's going to be a war, since Ukraine has no official borders, Russia has the right to make two separate countries (this doesn't justify any of the actions taken by Russia) and as far as I know both the new countries - Luhansk and Donetsk, have been asking a long time ago to be two official countries on their own. I know that Russia has the power over the media to censor what it doesn't like, but the reports for now say that the peace troops were only sended to make the new borders without hurting the people living there, and also considering journalists from countries that are againts Russia are waiting for Putin to screw up with something so that they can report how bad he is.
I think this whole conflict is stupid, I feel as if leaders today don't know how to nagotiate properly without hurting their people with unneeded war/weaponed conflicts.
Putin has said several times he doesn't want war with Ukraine, I think this whole drama is being propagated by countried that despise Russia. Also I can clearly see big protests and resistance againts the war if that scenario even plays out. I don't think people today will let such thing happen because their politicians can't talk like normal people.
Everything on that matter reminds me of: "Waaa~ah he took my toy car so I hit him", "Waaaaa~ mom he took over the playground!" if simply one of the countries decited to use diplomacy instead if wanting to grab everything this whole issue could have been over. But after all, we live in a clown world.
Anyways this is a thread for the Ukraine s, so I would want to see more of their take instead of butting my opinion in.
"Russia attacks, war has begun" is literally headlining (here in the West) rn, hundreds are reported dead.
Feels "great" waking up to news that your country started war. Fuck this. I hate all governments so much it's unreal
Build your next palace inside the Chernobyl reactor, Mr.Pootin.
Hi bulgarianon. My family emigrated from Bulgaria last year. Last I heard things have been locked down for a very very long time and haven't opened up. Is that true? Also do you see any martenitsas on the trees yet or is it still too early? Also, do you ever think of leaving for western europe like lots of young people do?
If a war does happen I hope people refuse to fight in it.
Could you explain this view? It doesn’t make sense to me.
what about the territorial integrities of every country Russia has violated
Russian rights don't matter because they will always undermine your "territorial integrity" when given the opportunity
are you guys fucking moids or something?
regardless of whose "fault" it is, the thread, and the main discussion really, should be about the safety of the innocent.
provide moral support to people who are suffering because of war instead of playing the blame game.
I genuinely don't get why tragedies become a playground for discussing ideologies for some people. Being human doesn't come before politics. We should be grateful we aren't the ones in danger- for now.
>>124750>they will always undermine your "territorial integrity" when given the opportunity
you can say that about every country lel
Thats not how things work. What do you want this thread to be? A praying thread about sending positive energies to Ukraine? And the fact you think having a simple political discussion "moid-like" says a lot about you
mmmm…maybe because human well being is directly connected to ideologies and politics?
To be fair, the op is asking how people in Ukraine are doing. It wasn't about politics from the get-go, although it was derailed in that direction. So yes, it was a positive thread of support for war victims. If you want to talk about the politics aspect, that's totally fair, but it's not the topic of the discussion here and it can perfectly be done on another thread.
I live in Hungary and we're getting flooded by refugees at the border, everyone is running
This, instead of playing the globohomo game, just consider those who never wanted any of this. Thousands of people will die and they never wanted to fight, just to live
way to miss the point.
people were blaming one or the other nation here, when this isnt whats this is about. its the blame game that caused deaths in the first place.
also, human beings are inherently linked to empathy as well.
My Ukrainian friend is refusing to leave and become a refugee. Apparently her neighbour is hosting volunteer Polish and Finnish fighters in his apartment and there's not much panic, just a low-level and growing concern.
Now I'm no expert, but that sounds a little one-sided. If the decision to not expand NATO to former Warsaw pact countries was such a big issue for Russia, why not actually codify it in the official treaty? Even Gorbachev had to walk back his claim of a breach of treaty, claiming it was violating the "spirit" of the treaty. Then in 1997, Russia signed a treaty with NATO affirming that each country had the sovereign right to seek its own alliances.
It's a little silly to quibble over minor "insults" when Russia has a long and well documented history of needless aggression and invasion of other countries, and that assistance with Afghanistan was a begrudging agreement, not some kind-hearted olive-branch.
>he warned NATO and Ukraine for flirting with each other
For this to be any kind of point, you have to believe that Ukraine is not a sovereign nation; that is does not have the right to seek its own alliances or distance itself from Russia. Is that what you believe?
>Putin first reacted in 2014 with Crimea
Well, he first reacted by having his political puppet order the shooting of civilian demonstrators, prompting a revolt. When that failed to stop Ukraine from disobeying his orders, he propped up a separatist militia and invaded Ukraine.
>and the west still didn't sit down to talk with him
Everyone tried to talk to him and it achieved nothing. He invaded a sovereign nation and installed a puppet revolutionary state. That's not the kind of thing you can just walk back by talking it out.
Ultimately, it seems like your view on the topic comes from a position of believing that Ukraine never left the USSR; that it should be a satellite state, unable to choose alliances or participate in trade agreements outside of what Russia proscribes to it. I don't want to put words in your mouth - it's just my view of it.
>>124780>history of needless aggression
They don't want missiles at their border, this isn't some mindless warmongering. I don't like Putin or this conflict, but it's understandable and a better decision than the bombing of Yugoslavia.
Moldavia and Georgia were threatening Russia? Wow, that's pretty impressive for such tiny countries.
>>124734>Last I heard things have been locked down for a very very long time and haven't opened up. Is that true?
They have been closet only to the unvaccinated for the last 2 months, but thankfully the vaccine mandate (green pass) will be permanently removed from march 20th.>Also do you see any martenitsas on the trees yet or is it still too early?
It's still too early haha. And even if it has time the street market is covered in martenitsas.> Also, do you ever think of leaving for western europe like lots of young people do?
I've been thinking of this option, and my family wants to get out of the country once I finish my education. I really, really love the nature in Bulgaria, and all the plants and animals it has, but the economy is in complete ruins because of the corruption here, so I'll have to get out. I'll stay only if I see change for the better in the country, but it's unlikely.
I’m happy to hear the passport system is being lifted. God bless the stubborn haha
I will miss seeing martenitsas on the trees in Sofia in March, but I guess you can enjoy it. And the nature is unparalleled, that’s true. The landscapes and the sunflowers and the seasons. You will miss it, for sure. Hopefully you get to be somewhere less corrupt soon, or Bulgaria becomes a more fair place.
>Conflict there was in direct response to the encroachment of NATO
Romania wasn't a part of NATO during the Moldo-Russian war and Georgia was fighting a war against Russian-backed seperatists that had conducted shelling on civilian targets.
>you and apparently the greedy people who think encroaching is a good idea
but Russia doing it is a natural process that no one should intervene with?
>Ukraine rn is run by a neonazi puppet regime installed in 2014
Weird that a Neo-Nazi puppet state elected a Jew as their leader and has since pushed for more liberal policies.
>Russia as a sovereign country cannot exist if NATO sets up on the Ukrainian border
but apparently it can if it invades and occupies Ukraine, putting it…right up against FOUR NATO countries that now fear for their territorial sovereignty…
>The fact is [Russia's] sovereignty and/or national security is at risk
If it is so flimsy, then why constantly antagonise all its neighbours and turn them against it? Seems like, for such a huge, militarily powerful and resource-rich country, they should work on fostering better relations with their neighbours - make allies instead of installing/propping up authoritarian regimes and stealing territory. If they really are threatened, then perhaps become a preferable alternative to NATO instead of pushing everyone toward it out of fear.
>[NATO] has turned aside any and all diplomatic solutions for 30 years
Categorically false and kind of a silly thing to claim. With a few minutes of research you can see declassified papers from both sides on the dozens of attempts at diplomacy with Russia and the USSR. No one but an ardent Soviet apparatchik or absolutely devoted Russian-supremacist would consider the terms offered, from the 1990's onwards (because yes NATO did bend the USSR over a barrel due to the invasions of Afghanistan and Czechoslovakia), to be unfair or warmongering.
i hope the innocent won't die in a war of the powerful and greedy.
praying for Ukraine, Russia and all of the world.
don't bother, it's lakhta-chan from the great bot farms
I wonder what it is that makes everyone neighbouring on Russia want to join NATO
lol even this place has Kremlinbots, nowhere is safe
Saw a group of ukranian refugees at a trainstation where I live (eastern Germany). Crazy to see the effects of the invasion
i will get a russian bf and be like one of those women that fraternized with nazis in vichy france
wouldn't it be better to get a ukrainian one then? with the azov battalion and everything
I wonder if some of the launchers are not meant to be firing or if they just broke?
>>127213>tfw you think you're getting a cute boy, but you actually get a middle-aged asian man
are you a scrote? this feels like something a scrote would reply with
as someone who's been trying to go lighter on the male-accusations…I've been avoiding this thread bc it smells like a boys' locker room.
I just don't think there's anything "cute" about the people killing dozens of Ukrainian civilians every day.
Where I live, there is no fighting. Very safe and boring. Refugees from the warzone arrive here.
I am guessing you did not have me on Discord anymore. I barely ever check out this board.
Because women can't have a take on geopolitics beyond "uwu I hope everyone will be alright"? Leave the mindless bimbo stereotype to troons.
Ukrainian sisters, please write how you live now.I'm still very worried.
I'm OK, my city is safe. What about you?
Every time there is an air raid alarm, I want the rockets to strike somewhere in my city so that I get some of that war action. It happened a few times at the very beginning, but it has been boring ever since.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that people want to have their own country and don't want to be Russian?
Ok. Motivated to work. Physically fine but in a weird mental state. My region was deoccupied. It is hard to read news now when I am in safety because when my life was in a direct danger I was too concerned about my own safety to process what the actual fuck is going on and now it hits me from time to time. There were gunfights near my apartment, bombing of the airport and oil stations near uncle's house where we moved to, I heard fights in the region (they are heard kilometers away from the frontline), saw aircraft dogfight, flying helicopters and fighter jets and once in a few days was watching anti-aircraft missiles being shot. I even have souvenirs, 2 titanium (I think) pieces of russian missile and bullet that was shot through the window of my bedroom, lol. If I ever have grandchildren I'll be that crazy grandma who tells crazy stories about my youth to shock everyone on family meetings. I left Ukraine 1 month ago to earn money. All my family lost their jobs and we had 0 savings. There is no work there and I am the only one with passport for travelling abroad. So it is my duty to help them. Also, I want to help my aunt to get her disabled husband from Alchevsk (where half of my family lived prior to 2014) to the safety and she needs money too. It is not cheap.
I was specifically referring to Yanukovych, who fled to Russia and now enjoys the fruits of a long business relationship with Russian industrialists he courted while in office.
It's not a lack of understanding. I think NATO is a bastardised arms-trafficking networking and embezzlement scheme masquerading as a military alliance, but Russia has demonstrated that avoiding WW3 is the only thing stopping it from devouring its old satellite states. If could present some evidence to demonstrate that Russia does not in fact invade neighbouring countries to conquer or control, I would deeply appreciate it, because then I could completely condemn NATO as entirely useless.
Ukrainians can have their own country and identity. They should just agree to give Crimea and Donbas to Russia and let the annexation happen. Fighting a huge country for this little bit of land like that where most people are Russian people or Russia sympathiser partisans anyway is futile. Even if Ukraine wins this part back, the war will never stop. Russia will not give up until it has that part forever. If they had just let Russia take it, the war wouldn’t have broken out. Also, I don’t trust Zelensky one bit. He’s just as greedy, egotistical, dark minded and money hungry as Putin but pretends to be a good, honest, humble man. Pressuring the world to rank their economies and potentially escalate to nuclear war, over his country’s affairs is incredibly selfish. Ukraine and Russias problems are not the worlds problems. At least Putin is honest about being an evil villainous piece of garbage. Zelensky is sly as hell.
russians are asians. and that’s okay. because they’re cute.
Well that’s a shame because this is an utterly pointless war for both sides with a pyrrhic victory for whoever ‘wins’. I just feel sorry for all the civilians caught in the middle, the young men being sent to die for old disgusting boomers and Jews, and their grieving mothers. Putin especially likes using very poor minority men from Caucasus and east Russia as cannon fodder and is essentially engaging in a type of ethnic cleansing, Zelensky is hoarding money and hero status for himself while forcing his men to keep fighting an uphill battle, stoking ultra nationalist tensions and encouraging young men to give their lives for a flag. While letting the women all flee to become foreign mens bed wenches, and ensuring only rubble and enormous national debt will be left for the survivors to enjoy. It’s all very disgusting. I hate politicians so god damn much.
>>145982>just give them donbas>just give them crimea>just give them ossetia>just give them transnistria
just give them whatever they want to keep the peace, because we all know appeasement works, right?
Memes aside, what’s actually wrong with giving all those states back to Russia? The culture in the Caucasus has stayed the same for thousands of years even when under Russian rule. Same would happen with Donbas and Crimea where most residents are Russian people and speak Russian anyway. So…what is the problem? You think because Crimea gets handed back to Russia, that they’re going to start invading and taking over the entirety of Europe and the world?
>the bulk of the Russian army is ethnic Russian
No shit because ethnic Russians make up the majority and Asians and Caucasians are a minority. That still means they are being genocided at a faster rate. Do you understand how ratios work?
>defending western imperialism
Where did I do that? I stated all politicians are evil and you lack reading comprehension. Take your meds, moid.
Literally no reading comprehension.
Western imperialism is preferable to Russian imperialism. Sorry Ivan, but it’s true. Nobody wants to go to your corrupt psychopath filled impoverished shithole especially now that the ruble is near worthless and sanctions are hitting hard. There’s a reason even Russians are all desperate to come to the US.
>Georgians raping women
Omg, because Russian moids would NEVER do that. Of course not!
Almost like that entire area of the world including Russia is a disgusting corrupt backwards rapey violent misogynistic shitheap that needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century and civility asap.
>buryats are only over represented as they’re also one of the most patriotic
Absolutely untrue. They’re some of the poorest people in all of Russia (yes, even by Russian standards they are peasants) and so are sadly unable to bribe their way out of army service as all wealthier Russians do. The only men serving in the Russian army right now are men whose families were too poor to bribe their way out.
My country isn’t in the EU. I like how you ignored all my points are you’re unable to refute. Russians are evil, psychopathic people, as are most people from that area. You can’t even blame communism anymore, it’s literally genetic.
As an Eastern European I agree that Russians and many Eastern Europeans (including Ukrainians) are hard hearted, callous, self interested and dishonest. However it’s survival mechanism as life was unbelievably tough in these places for so many centuries. Negative sexual selection, natural selection, multiple famines genocides wars invasions and revolutions played a large part in it all. Weak people would simply be killed or killed themselves because it was too much to bear. Leaving tough guy or psychopath genes to spread. Also so much of what we received was propaganda and lies, so we learned that lying is normal and fine to do. Lying was also a survival mechanism. It’s not right, but it’s true. Westerners can’t really understand how bad things really were in the Eastern Europe bloc countries, but it’s within living memory for many 30+ Eastern Europeans. Growing up in those harsh conditions will harden you as a person.
Anon, no government is good, but the Russian government is definitely no good at all, for any russian people. Being a Russian nationalist is fine, but defending your terrible government is a stupid hill to die on. Even American extreme nationalists like Alex Jones and 2nd amendment fanatics hate and distrust their government, and rightly so. Because they are evil just like Russians government. You can love your people and culture, without defending Putin. Putin doesn’t care about you or any Russian people, hes just another neocon old man sending young Russian men to die for him under the guise of Russian pride.
Yeah, Chinese didn’t go around the world slaughtering people. They just killed hundreds of millions of their own as well as millions of surrounding Turkic and Mongol tribes like the Oirats. That’s so much better.
Go home Chang. And don’t fall into any underground heating vents while you’re at it.
Manchuria belongs to Mongolia.
Manchurians allied with the Mongols against the Chinese and were closely related to them. Chinese are the invaders. Give Manchuria and Inner Mongolia back. Free Tibet. All other Asian countries in the entire continent hate you and for good reason.
The virgin chinkcel fears the US mommy milkers.
Putin is a mentally deranged Parkinson’s addled narcissist manlet, he’s motivated by neurodegenerative disease, narc rage, napoleon complex and general Russian delusions.
For anyone wondering, the deluded Russian pro putin shill who is also defending China is Yuri. Hes a half Chinese, half Russian terminally online manlet. He owns soijak.party as well as some other pedo and CP focused boards. He’s 34 years old, but stole an 18 year old half German half Russian boys pics from instagram, and larps as him online. He also grooms underage trannies then gets them to spam CP on image boards and was likely behind the CP and soijak spam on here a few months ago. He’s extremely mentally ill and you should report all posts by him. They’re easy to spot as he’s a deranged Russian shill.
Not siding with Russia here but this is obviously wrong and something you got from the media recently without knowing anything about him. Likely you believe the invasion was just random land-grabbing and greed too. The last US president and the current one are literally senile. This is evident just watching them for 15 seconds in any video. If you watch any video of Putin speaking his intelligence and care with his words is evident, and a breath of fresh air compared to having to listen to Western politicians (including the mentally fully capable ones). It seems strange but there you go.
Yes. Anatolia is Greek clay, and Anatolian Turks are around 80% Greek anyway.
Stop calling people sis Yuri, it makes you sound like even more of a campy pedophile than you already are.
America is better than Russia. Cry about it Ivan.
The russian federation will dissolve in the next decade
tbf anons on russian women's board call each other sis
There's a board for russian women?
Well, it would at least be funny seeing Russia getting completely assblasted when they inevitably try to steal Baltic and Finnish land.
Russia needs to leave Baltic states alone. Balts are more Nordic/Finnic in language and culture and have nothing in common with most southern and eastern Russians. Mentality, education level, culture and language is totally different to Russians.
Nice revenge fantasy Yuri. Putin is blowing 300 million per day on his failed invasion ops, more young Russian men are refusing to fight, China is an incel hub full of completely demoralized sexless internet addicted noodle armed betas, Xi got spooked by a 80 year old woman with big cans. China and Russia are paper tigers just as the world has always suspected and their latest failures prove it.
The Baltic states are literally the motherland of European culture.
Unironically though. The Yamnaya were a band of brutish rapists from southern Russia and the Caucasus. They were totally uncultured and basically rapey genocidal savages. Eventually they intermarried with civilised farmer Baltic women who tamed them and taught them how to act like actual human beings. Europe would still be an uncultured shitshow of Russian rape and genocide if it wasn’t for Neolithic Baltic women.
Jesus christ this makes me so mad. I had to grow up around it, I see it on the internet daily why in the fuck should we moralize civilizing apes. Just let that gene pool die out. They do it to themselves and they don't deserve what women are and are capable of putting up with. They're soul sucking vampires and nothing satisfies an ape like that accept more violence and subjugation
Falling for such a sick moid fantasy is perpetuating their infinite well of lies, to control, subjugate and rape. Using you and throwing you away is what that kind of filthy lives for. End the chain of violence with yourself
Watching Russia speed run their Vietnam has been fun. I wish every russian the absolute worst. Cope and seethe, loves.
Just one hidden board on local imageboard. It is full of moids, incels, local crazies with dick etc and now also with constant baiting discussing politics and incel shit. I think there are no more than 60% of female population now.
And Germans lived in mudhuts until 500 years ago.
And Germs didn’t even have an alphabet or writing system while Greeks were in their classical period. Go back to your mudhut Johann.
And I’m not sure what point you are trying to make anon.
Germans are literally just Yamnaya male + Baltic female rape babies that migrated westwards. Germans are descended from Balts, not the other way around.
When did our media lie about afghanistan? Theyve been saying the US cant win there since like 2003, almost every poltiician has said that too, and trump was smart enough to sign the surrender to the taliban
They weren’t. It’s just clear you know absolutely nothing about the history of that area. Enjoy your dying multi culti metropolis I guess. We had cities n sheit.
No more sister wars
Would love to read a single article about the taliban exterminating women. Havent heard about that
But where are the articles anon
being part asian is ok. castrating prisoners of war like your picrel is not.
Who's winning the war?
Suddenly every person on the internet turned to political, economical and warfare genius this year. How fucking annoying.
My favorite part is everyone acting like they're experts on the history of all the inter-relations of the eastern european ethnic groups. I'm not an expert either but I have a lot of friends who are from the area and so I've known a little bit about the issues that have been ongoing the last few years, and I know a ton of these people had no idea where the hell Crimea or Donetsk were 8 years ago. Not that everyone has to be a know it all to have an opinion, but it's just the whole acting like an expert thing that I find eyeroll worthy.
Ukraine is Russias 2nd afghanistan
They dont have the equipment or money for an occuption, and its no longer 1945. They cant do it with endless hoards of men again, nor will russians stand for their sons dying in a meat grinder for putins ego.
Honestly if Putin had taken all of ukraine in the first month, maybe things would be different. But its now a asymmetrical war of attrition and ukraine needs to do almost nothing to win, similar to iraq, vietnam, and afghanistan for the us.
Most of them don't even know how to spell it. Bonus points if they use cyrillic script.
You cant occupy a country with artillery. I have no doubt russia will blow up any and all ukrainian offensives. However in 5, 10, 20 years ukraine will still never submit to russian rule
>Ukraine and ukrainians have no free will and everything is puppetered bu evul states
Americans are giving themselves too much credit. Main character syndrome or something.
I'm not American, but the idea certain smaller states have de facto sovereignty is laughable. You have no idea of the pressure that the US can bring to bear on smaller countries, whether economic or kompromat, to "build consensus".
Didn't realise this until recently but Putin's brother died as a baby in the Siege of Leningrad
I yaoi ship him with Assad. Their height difference is so qt and putin gets so shy around his cheery Syrian daddy.
Putin-chan gets so shy around his Syrian lover, his frosty tsundere Russian exterior instantly melts around Bashir-kun. Look at the lovey doveyness in his eyes.
Pootpoot loves when his clever Syrian daddy mansplains things to him. OTP.
Oh for sure. Almost all russian men are bottoms. He would threaten to poison his partner if they didnt fill his bottom no doubt about it
Retarded map. Germany and most other European countries do not keep statistics on racial or ethnic demographics as America does. Those percentages are either complete ass-pulls or misrepresentations of more complex demographic categories (like "migrant background" for Germany, which says absolutely nothing about race and includes mostly other Europeans).
Are there any Putin yaoi doujins?
This is true for the entire world. America is obsessed with fitting everyone into their vague racial categories that have little to no basis or consistency.
>>124710>I don't think that there's going to be a war, since Ukraine has no official borders
I'm fine someone came up with this. I'm not fine they actually thought people would believe it.
Freedom to the people of Donetsk & Lugansk
Not for much longer, by the looks of the current momentum.
Arise Donbass! Pat…
Cope, fascists were not able to win despite the West literally drowning them in weapons and resources for six months.
In the end, freedom always wins against fascism
Wow, despite being so small this się has vatbots too
Those fascists were able to overrun an entire front in 4 days. I'm no expert, but one would think that doesn't bode well.
Russia and Ukraine belong to Mongolia.
There was only Russian national guard (not army), volunteers and LPR militia on that part of the border, they faced the risk of six brigades overrunning them so high command decided to give the order to withdraw instead of gambling and telling the forces there to delay the ukrainians until reinforcements arrived. They managed to move to a shorter more defensible frontline while sustaining very litte casualties. So no the russians losing a sparsely populated piece of land that had no strategic importance to them is not some kind of turning point in the war or massive defeat westerners want to potray it as.
They should of stayed and died like soldiers making an excuse like that is pussy
No need to worship. This is not your concern if you are not ukrainian and we have our own arguments about creating idols from military. Men is men. But I hate russians more than men.
>>154328>fleeing and leaving a shit ton of equipment isn't a loss.
I wonder is the russians believe their own bullshit.
Winter is coming to Cuckrainian fascists and their Western puppetmasters
>>154328>There was only Russian national guard (not army), volunteers and LPR militia on that part of the border
Sounds like a pretty disastrous strategic error to me.
>high command decided to give the order to withdraw instead of gambling and telling the forces there to delay the ukrainians until reinforcements arrived
So they routed.
>sustaining very litte casualties
Not really something anyone can determine yet, considering the only people with an accurate count haven't made it public.
>losing a sparsely populated piece of land that had no strategic importance to them is not some kind of turning point
Weird, because capturing it was heralded as a massive defeat to Ukraine.>>154356
Winter would have been a good thing if Russia hadn't spent its mechanised and armour advantage already. Now it'll just make existing supply issues even worse.
The political climate in Europe appears to be slowly shifting, with rising energy and gas prices people are less willing to waste billions on weapons for Ukraine. Can the Ukrainian army keep going without the current degree of Western support? Who knows.
Bluntly put, people simply don't seem to care much about the situation in Ukraine anymore, now that their own lives are being affected. (It is not like they cared in the eight years leading up to this either.)
The next few months will be interesting.
Not Ukrainian, just wanna say I love you Ukrainian nonas, stay safe <3
>>158208>It is not like they cared in the eight years leading up to this either.
Hm I feel like there was already a stiff anti-/wary of Russian sentiment before, in my country anyway, though not neccersarily in favour of Ukraine.
Congratulations on your wins Ukraine, the world is proud
Russia is losing territory every day, keep coping loser
And another victory for Ukraine.https://tvpworld.com/63070789/russian-garrison-surrounded-in-lyman-ukraine
I dunno if you people cheering for Russia are tankies or fascists (horseshoe theory, someone?), but you guys are losing and will
lose this war.
Theyre just morons who entire personality revolves around being a contrarian. The MSM lies so thus they need to instantly believe the exact opposite of everything it says. Useful idiots as they say.
Cope. It’s better to be under the Russian empire regardless. Ukraine is a literal who turnip patch shithole who has been the consistently poorest country in Europe for decades (yet has so much government wealth????) Russia has contributed so much to the world and to culture. Ukraine is a retarded child who needs it’s daddy Russia wrangle it.
Strange mental acrobatics. But the brainwashed will always say retarded things to justify the unjustifiable
Ukraine has been a sovereign nation for decades and still hasn’t amounted to anything. They’re better off under Russian rule.
What has Russia amount over the last three decades? AIDS? Poverty? Nuclear weapons? Presecuting women and LGB rights?
Ukraine has second highest AIDS rate in Europe.>poverty
Russias GDP per capita is 3x higher than Ukraine’s.>nuclear weapons
That’s impressive. And they need it as a deterrent to stop Amerifats invading >Persecuting women
Ukraine has some of the highest domestic violence and femicide rates in Europe. >persecuting LGBT
That’s based. Trannies and gay men are all pedos and rapists.
Of course a redditor 99 cent fishnet wearing tranny plebiscite like you knows nothing about highbrow Russian culture so I’ll accept your concession.
Also nice whataboutism.>the other country is an even bigger shithole than mine, so our third world dictatorship can invade it
Forgot:>homicide rates>suicide rates >child mortality>life expectancy drop>education drop>prostitution and sex work (the west is crazy about russian porn)
Ukraine has literally all of those things too
This has to be a moid, no woman would defend the country that makes it legal to beat your wife once a year. Mods pls.
>>165501> to culture
Pffft. Russia did steal a lot from enslaved nations.
Ukrainian men love drinking and beating their women. No wonder so many Ukrainian women couldn’t wait to flee. They’ve been trying to get foreign husband for decades.
>there’s people out there who think America actually cares about Ukraine
>there’s people out there who don’t realize this is just a proxy war to get Europe buying American oil and gas and to get Russian military bases on Russia’s border
While also turning Ukraine into lifelong debtslaves:)
If the west really cared about Ukraine they’d cancel Ukraine’s national debt but whoops, turns out there’s lots of money to be made from giving war torn countries huge loans :))
Ohnonono…I thought Ukies were the good guys!
Everyone knows Ukraine is full of wonderful male feminist good boys who dindu nuffin. Not violent drunken nazis and druggies who beat women or anything!
Nobody wanted Ukraine in NATO and in EU, you know? Nobody wanted to have deals with my shithole pre 2022, you know that, right? Because of Russia. They closed their eyes in 2014, they closed their eyes in the end of February and beginning of March waiting for Ukraine to fall. Nobody wanted to help Ukraine and nobody cared about my country.
And? Should the west invade Russia then?
>>165524>>165523>nation bad therefore we get to enslave them
Ive yet to see a justification for Russias invasion that the west could not also use to justify invading russia
Russia wasn’t part of America, Ukraine was. In fact, some parts of America like Alaska were historically Russian. So there.
America won’t dare invade Russia because Putin has nukes :)
Babby’s first lesson in tactical warfare.
America has invaded countless countries. Why can’t Russia have a little fun?
So you admit its just a war to rebuild the failed russian empire? Good luck with that plan. Sure it will take russia places in the long term
NATO is a failed American empire. One little manlet in the Kremlin has the whole world trembling in fear. Kek.
No one is afraid of russia though.
Watching russians mindbroken schizobabble after their failed war has been the most fun I’ve had in months. Watching them go down with the ship will make 2023 a year to remember. The russian federation will not exist by july
And yet Ukraine is winning the war. Oh, the irony.
They’re the new north korea and like north korea theyll think they won while starving, retarded and in the Stone Age.
Please stop. You’re hurting the feelings of the Russian people. It is russiaphobic to not believe everything from the mouth of the kremlin. Russian forces are outside kiev. The media is lying.
>>165542>Da comrade have 5000 ruble bucks added to your account for helping Herr Putin spread truth about conflict and avoid causing mass panic at the home, where the frontline is.
Kingdom of Hawaii, part of Mexico, all Native American lands on their current territory, a bunch of smaller islands in the Pacific
Not to mention their military bases and de-facto political control over much of the Western world. Western Europe is as much of a pawn to the US as the Eastern Bloc nations were to the Soviet Union.
So, last time was a century ago, when people thought colonialism was cool?
Kek youre so fucking desperate
Oh and I am sure the fact that people beg for those military bases so they can focus their development on their economy is just not a thing?
Suddenly geo-political strategy just vanishes so you can bash the current dominant country? Sorry it's just a cycle of history sis.
Being part of US is better than being part of Mexico (with all due respect to all our Mexican users, I'm from Latam too).
Being part of Russia just mean you're part of a shithole.
>>165501>Russia has contributed so much to the world and to culture.
Yes like trying to poison people with nerve gas in my country
Don't forget warships that sink themselves and nuclear plants that degrade within decades as opposed to centuries like they should. How does Russia come across as Tolkien Orks all the time, how?
Are they, though? Russia just formally incorporated another 15% of Ukrainian territory into their nation while the Ukrainian victories we hear so much about are re-capturing Shitholeovska village with three houses. (And even that only with the extensive backing of Western nations, who will drop their support as soon as it puts them into an actually uncomfortable financial position.)
Once this conflict inevitably cools down again Russia will end up with new territory while Ukraine will end up with an economically ruined country and billions in debt to the West, even further solidifying their status as disposable puppet to Western interests. Not much of a winner.
According to the Kremlin so with that in mind;
I declare I own the internet. Formally.
>>165576>Are they, though?
Yes.>Russia just formally incorporated another 15% of Ukrainian territory
I don't think sham referenda is "formal", the area was already under Russian control anyway.>Once this conflict inevitably cools down again Russia will end up with new territory while Ukraine will end up with an economically ruined country and billions in debt to the West
Did you come from the future?
Well at least now it contributes well to meme culture
For all intents and purposes, these regions will be part of Russia from now on. Western nations may not officially recognise this, but unfortunately for them, the state of the world does not conform to whatever the West considers legitimate these days. Reality speaks for itself.>>165580
The same happened after 2014 with Crimea. The West expressed outrage but slowly forgot about it afterwards. Relations to Russia normalised and the world moved on, silently accepting the Russian aquisition of Crimea. What makes you think it will be any different now? Do you think the US or Europe actually care about Ukraine to the point of putting Ukrainain territorial interests above their own economic and political power?
>>165594>Comparing a de jure claim on a tiny chunk of land to a war with no casus beli
Mobile phone videogamer behavior right here Ruskie-chan
>>165594>Relations to Russia normalised and the world moved on
No? Russia is a lot poorer now than it was 10 years ago.
>>165594>For all intents and purposes, these regions will be part of Russia from now on.
At this rate, they'll probably fall by the end of the year too.
Good idea, sugarcoat it for the Russians so they have something to eat now that all their money is going to equipment that literally melts apart in the field and spraypaint for their Zs so they stop shooting each other like the untrained betamoids they are.
I meant, they'll fall back into Ukrainian hands considering how fast the UAF is advancing.
Its sad russians actually fall for their dictators delusions. But lucky for us and Ukraine, shitposting doesn’t win wars.
The west needs to seriously consider what to do with the russian people after russia collapses. They will continue to be brainwashed that their personal failures are caused by the west. Its likely only complete genocide of the russian “culture” can remove this wart from world history.
Relocate them into France and let the two shittiest cultures in the world sort themselves out.
Statements like these make me think the Russians are onto something with their distrust of the West. Most Western nations, especially Angloid ones, were built on genocide and slavery. Russia, on the other hand, was not. Who is the true wart on world history?>>165613
Russian and French cultures are the best ones, cope harder Angloid.
>>165616>Is actually black and was just called an anglo
Angloid status confirmed.
Pro tip, you can be black and Angloid, or black and French, or Asian and Russian. Neither of these are uncommon.
>>165616>Most Western nations, especially Angloid ones, were built on genocide and slavery. Russia, on the other hand, was not
Do they really teach this in Russia or are you willful ignorant in history? There's a reason why every country in Eastern Europe, as well as every ethinic minority in Russia hates Moscow. Considering how most of them are richest than the Russians, envy is not the reason.
Russian leaders needed to explain to the russian people why they still lived in mud huts in 2000 and they chose “MUH WEST”. The brainwashing runs deep in the empire of mud.
>>165619>missing an obvious joke
Autistic behavior, still love you, but yeah a lot of cultures have enough trash in them to endlessly sperg about so idc, call me an anglo and bash them. You'll never find out my actual ethnicity muwahahaha.
I am not Russian. Eastern Europeans were not genocided or enslaved, at least not by Russia. Russia, if you happen to recall WW2, was actually the one that saved them from genocide.
Look at Africa - or even better, the entire Western Hemisphere, which was so thoroughly raped by Western nations that two entire continents worth of cultural and linguistic diversity were lost. That is what genocide looks like.
Get outta here with that weak lie of a bait.
The russian empire was built by serfs. Literally all the russians were defacto slaves lol. The ussr was brutally oppressive. Literally no one buys the stupid shit you said. Theres a reason nations beg to join the west and people only side with russia with a gun to their head. Wake up. Its only you suffering from continuing the larp. You can do better.
>Noooo you can't just repel our raid like this and call out our bait because our site is easily seen by anyone nooooo
Only soysissies defend Russia because their E-daddy lives there, ignore all Russian defenders from now on, it's more likely than not just them.
Are you going to simp Stalin now? Fuck off you ugly troon, you would be the first to be shot.
Yet nobody of the west doing anything of a real substance now, what are they gonna do later, more nothing?
I am not a putinschizo, but, sadly, I see that ukranian territories are already claimed
All feudal empires were built by serfs, including those of Western Europe. Even by your own mentric, the West would be guilty of worse forms of slavery.>>165637
Take your meds, I never even mentioned Stalin. Troons support Ukraine btw. That's where they get their bathtub estrogen after all.
>>165640>Most Western nations, especially Angloid ones, were built on genocide and slavery. Russia, on the other hand, was not
You literally did when you said that Russia liberated eastern Europe after WWII, while ignoring how Stalin put a bunch of genocidal dictatorships to rule pretty much every country there.
And I'm not even mentioning all his atrocities in former USSR countries.
Dictatorships yes, genocidal no. Genocide was what the fascists planned to do in Eastern Europe. Genocide is not having a mean dictator in power.
You can keep deflecting, but we both know that colonial and post-colonial Western atrocities far surpass those of any other group during modern times. Western atrocities are so thoroughly normalised that we are quick to forget about this, but unfortunately for people like you, the rest of the world does not forget so easily.
No. Tsarist serfdom was an entirely different institution from any other kingdom
Russia wont be able to hold on to them. They have no army. And the 90 year old men they drafted wont stop the ukrainian advance. Its a war of attrition now. And russia has no means to replenish materal
Russia is the weakest country in Europe and
So we should celebrate the USSR for abolishing that system? ( ° ʖ °)
Yea the illusion they were some sort of peer to even italy let alone the US or all of nato is now shattered.
Yes. It was certainly a improvement for the russian people and its sad they slipped so rapidly back into totalitarianism to this day, and were so intent on subjecting it on their unwilling neighbors
>>165659>Beaten out by Italians
Why even live?
Ah, the true meaning of eurasianism
Anon, every country is built by serfs/slaves. America and the west are no different. My great grandma was English and died in a workhouse there.
How is it failed? Putin just annexed a bunch of 90% Russian regions of Ukraine.
According to the Kremlin, let me add some rubles to your account comrade, I know you will be of needing the food ration now that we stole all your money to fix tank that will just break down when it goes 5 miles.
the russians are literally winning. its delusional to think otherwise.
unless the west actually decides to get involved militarily (which will never happen btw), ukraine is lost.
Look, mindbroken russian schizobabble just like anon said kek
How is that winning?
They just got a bunch of territory they’ve been fighting for. That’s winning. Poor Ukraine, billions in aid, foreign weapons and conscripting 60 year old men and they still can’t defeat some drunk russkies.
they have lost like 1/5th of their gains in 3 weeks, doesn't look like winning >but Putin signed a piece of paper!!!1
Germany annexing poland in 1941 didnt mean they won lol
Ukraine signed a paper annexing moscow this morning
It’s over :(
kek russians pretending the annexation means anything besides more old men bring drafted reminds me of this
>excuse me we annexed that land its no longer fair game! Its ours now give it back right this instant I have the paperwork
This is like saying america was winning vietnam up until the day they withdrew
The army thats currently pushing back the disintegrating russian army. The real question is how will russia possibly source more equipment? Protip it cant
If it belongs to Ukraine why don’t they just take it back? So simple.
They are and they will. Just like russia took back all its land from germany. We are already past the high water mark for russia now. Its all a march to the russian border for Ukraine. Even Crimea will return to the rightful owners soon enough.
Extreme cope. Mugging someone, sucker punching them, then having your target drag you to the ground, beat you badly and take back half their money isn't winning.>>165788
Did you miss the fact Russia lost an entire front, that it took months to create, in under a week?
God it’s so funny seeing trannies discuss warfare as if they have any idea what they’re talking about.
Right? The russian army is in full retreat and the troons pretend thats winning.
>hitler in 1945, still in control of norway
>”we are winning”
t. samefagging troon
Everyone who supports Ukraine is a Redditor, tranny or both.
Yawn. im excited for your copes in the coming weeks as all the annexed territory falls under ukrainian control. pol and russia are learning a hard lesson in the difference between reality and their schizophrenic shitpost delusions.
Kiev two weeks!
If the russian troons knew about war they wouldnt have invaded their neighbor with such a weak and outdated army.
>but /pol/ said the retreat is actually a 4d chess grandmaster move!
You love to see the gaslighting
>>124584>muh Russia >muh Ukraine
Both belong to Mongolia. Seethe.
Equipment isn't their problem, neither is manpower. Unlike Ukraine, they are not using their full military capacity.
Ukraine had one significant victory during the entirety of the war (Kharkiv region), meanwhile Russia/LDPR have made significant gains more or less consistently since February. I look forward to the Westoid hivemind celebrating Ukrainian "victory" for recapturing recapturing some shithole village while Russia takes Odessa.>>165794
Troons are some of the biggest Ukraine stans. They, as well as Redditors, are the only ones retarded enough to actually fall for the media pandering and pinkwashing. Take a look at Adam Something's latest community post about le wholesome 100 LGBT parade in Kiev.
oops, sorry sweaty. looks like your empire ends here
>>165802>were not using our full military, we just drafted a bunch of old men for a laff
Imagine believing this
Its likely mongolia will take parts of russia when the federation dissolves in the coming year
Unlike Ukraine, which has been using literal child soldiers and handed every idiot a weapon?
They only stopped because they realized everyone in central and western Europe was ugly af.
Ukraine never larped that it has some super secret million man force and advanced weapons hiding in the closet they havent used yet. You on the other hand did.
Dont forget the Super Mr Satan Missiles!
>we have a super duper secret army that will eventually stop the Ukrainian advance just wait and see!
I am not Russian, just a connoisseur of Westoid seethe. The assumption honours me though.
Maybe the Ghost of Kiev will come back to throw pickle jars at the Russians and finally bring about Ukrainian victory.
Prove Russia is larping about having weapons then. Even north Korea can develop pretty advanced nuclear weaponry, so why wouldn’t a country like Russia with far more wealth and natural resources and elite scientists be able to? Russians have been working on all kinds of underground warfare tech for decades because of American hostility towards them, and it’s why America darent invade. Two people got novichok’d in the UK and everyone in the whole country shit their pants over it. Imagine Russia unleashed that on the whole population.
Cope. They could conquer little wooden forts and crumbling Chinese stacked town walls, but the second they encountered actual castles, their loot dried up, slaves vanished and logistics collapsed.
How about instead of me proving russia has a sceret army and super weapons, russia instead proves they have them by you know, stop their army from retreating on all fronts.
Im sure russia will finally reveal them in two weeks right when the election fraud is revealed and the vaccine die offs start.
Poles are still toilet cleaning slaves to this day RIP.
Plenty of castles in the east. It was the moisture ruining their bows
Bored tranny is arguing with himself again kek.
Go to bed, Blaine. It’s 6AM in Wyoming.
t. Tranny coping with an arrow to his Adam’s apple
>>165822>cant refute thr point>just calls everyone a tranny
Youre obviously a poltard moid. Im excited to continue to watch the ukrainian advance in the coming weeks and your more and more elaborate copes on why its actually a russian victory for “legal russian lands” to be held by ukraine after russia annexed them. Time is on my side, not yours. When ukrainian forces cross into russia itself remember to put a bullet in your head. PS biden won ;)
>>165816>NK>advanced nuclear weaponry
The Soviet Union could crank out pioneers in all branches of STEM, but the Russian Federation can barely keep its people literate. I'm sure it has all kinds of wunderwaffe, except they're all from the 80's or 90's and the technology was already sold to the US during the collapse. Now Russia can barely make drones out of hobbyist kits and zipties, while heralding vaporware next-gen armour made out of foam inserts and presenting cheap Chinese knock-offs with rocket launchers strapped to them as technological breakthroughs.
Tough times for putin shills
>moids killing moids
Lmao why should I care?
Let them murder each other and then we can finally start establishing a matriarchy.
Didn’t Zelensky say Ukraine will be conscripting 60 year old men now?
>>165823>>165822>doesnt know how to quote >keeps signing his post as tranny
Yep its reddit time
>>165824>when ukrainian forces cross into russia itself
Do Westoids really believe this?
Meanwhile…the US spends almost a trillion dollars a year on its military and couldn’t defeat an army of 4ft tall Vietnamese rice farmers or 30 IQ goat herders with outdated 80s soviet Kalashnikovs. Really makes you think.
Ukraine has already been conscripting everyone and their mother for months, but it's good when they do it you see, because they are the Avengers and Russia is Thanos.
Yes. Weird that russia is too since they evidently have an entire secret army they havent tapped into yet. Almost like russia is lying about everything. Would be strange for the US to draft senior citizens before sending its army, no?
Putin shills cant admit this obvious lie however because their contrarian brainwashing forces them to only believe MUH MSM lies. And putin simply cannot.
>1st city of new Russian territories lost already
Well since russia annexed the land more and more of “russia” is captured by ukraine every day
>>165834>only response is whaddaboud
Just don't respond next time. It makes you look less pathetic.
Why is russia conscripting and not using thier “full military”. Explain
Russia and China are both confirmed to have tested hypersonic missiles that can evade US radar protection.
Russia plans to use them in two weeks!
They are conscripting men who previously served and have combat experience. Ukraine meanwhile is handing guns to 15 year-olds.
In two weeks, after russia burns through its 90 year old men they will finally deploy their real army and their super weapons and this comment will be proven correct!
>Unlike Ukraine, they are not using their full military capacity.
Putin could tweet russia has a Gundam and the retards on pol would believe it simply because MUH WEST claims its an obvious lie
It’s not whataboutism if it’s relevant to the discussion. If the US spends 800 billion a year, I would hope they could at least beat some unskilled farmers with outdated busted weapons. And yet they can’t lmao, despite bombing the shit out of them. How embarrassing.
Wed expect russia to beat its smaller neighbor too but that proved to not be the case
In two weeks russia will deploy its gundam and you wont be laughing so hard
Lots of happenings in two weeks. Ukraine must be shaking in its boots.
Ukraine has been getting shit tons of funding and weaponry from its daddies. If they were left to it alone then they would have been taken over in a week.
Wow wait its american weapons theyre using? Those weapons couldnt even beat goat farmers and now theyre beating russians? Maybe ukraine should hire the goat fuckers
It's so strange that China, Russia and even India have loudly boasted about the technology, countries who fail to produce almost any other quality military technology, and plastered it all over the international news, but the US hasn't said a word. I wonder if there's a reason for that. Oh well, I guess we'll never know and meanwhile India can be lauded with Russia and China as the pinnacle of technological achievement.
Almost like the US keeps its weapons secret until it uses them
No it only did that for the superfortress and the proximity fuse and the atomic bomb and its stealth fighters and napalm and the first nuclear sub and ….
American weapons in the right hands can be very useful. With their help Ukraine keeps recapturing various settlements in Kharkiv region.
And the major city of Lyman will fall shortly. The long slow march to the original russian border has already begun. And russia has no reserve forces left to stop it.
imagine believing any reports in western media. imagine believing any reports in russian media.
your first mistake was thinking that anything they say on the news is true
Why do people pretend to care about this. People die and get killed every day and no one gives a shit.
Because America and NATO loves invading countries that don’t openly show they have nuclear bombs as deterrents. Ie Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.
similarly those same politicians love getting involved in proxy wars like ukraine so they can please investors and the arms industry by spending tax money on weapons to enrich themselves and their special interest groups.>>165916
this is the mindset every normal person should have towards it. if they really wanted peace, and money was not a factor, every politicians should be advocating for Ukrainian surrender.
I am honestly disappointed by the influx of bad takes on here. All of you have been browsing /Pol/ Russian propaganda too much. The Ukrainian government (like all governments, tbh) is severely corrupt, but I don’t know how this somehow downplays the very real war crimes being committed in the name of Putin’s unjustified imperialist expansion. Impoverished civilians from separate nations will forever share more in common with each other, than the global elites in their own countries. We must provide safety to people. It’s our duty as humans.
Oh look! Another American Russiaboo who has obviously never met a Russian irl. Probably spends too much time inside.
Seriously, stop spewing your fetishist Nazi era race theory on CC, keep that shit on /pol/.
essentially it boils down to, "not my problem" anymore. even moreso since western countries are now feeling the effects of those sanctions on russia
is providing safety to people dependent on sending over weapons etc.? or should it be purely humanitarian? or are you of the opinion that we should send armies physically into ukraine and potentially trigger nuclear war? there really is not much the west can do except pump more weapons into ukraine and provide a place for refugees to flee.
from like the 50th post downwards, most posters involved are scrotes, just so you know
God you sound stupid as fuck moid
Weird russia could just win but decides not to. Let’s see if that works out for them
Yea hopefully they can create a buffer zone in case ukraine ever goes to war with russia.
Yea dont quit your day job