What does cc think about terfs?
t. identify myself as one but I'm too lazy to get into autistic online fights
I'm not a TERF because
1. Not a radfem
2. Not inherently against trans folk even if 99% of them are terrible
Not a radfem but their views of transgender people are correct. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I'm a more inclusive feminist and I don't agree with them. That's about it, but I don't feel very strongly and am too lazy to get into online fights as well.
It's such a grey area for me that some of my thoughts about trans people would get me labelled a terf. Oh well.
Just another made up word. I literally have only heard the term here.
Yes, that is how words are made. Someone gives a name to a concept that previously wasn't named.
There are places that terf is used other than imageboards, but I don't see it breaching the "mainstream" outside of academic circles. And even then, there are too many issues with how black and white the terf functions.
personally most terfs arent even that bad, but a small few who seem to frequent these kinds of places escalate a lot of their viewpoints, giving the appearance that terfs are one way. I'm not even one, I still think they are wrong in a lot of ways, but a lot of them are not as inflammatory as it seems. I would hope that would be common sense but apparently for some it is not.
>>16989>yes, that is how words are made
I don't like you.>but I don't see it breaching the "mainstream" outside of academic circles
It's pushed by the media before the end of the month. I'm calling it. Tranny month?
I hate that her writing style was so similar to mine and now I seem snobby. It's kind of funny I even care actually
But I will doubt you that the word will be a mainstream anytime soon. It isn't necessary because 'terfs' are such a niche and nuanced thing.
I was also wrong in my first post and wasn't really thinking, I'd just get called transphobic not a terf. >>16992
I guess this is more another response to the OP but w/e
I don't know what the ratio of 'not bad people' and inflammatory is. To me the line between one who is inflammatory/retarded and one who is not is pretty simple. If someone says "they are not women and don't know our struggle, I do not want them in women's spaces" then I can respect that yet casually disagree, but then there's those who go further and make it some idea that they(mtfs) are out to harm someone or don't actually have real personalities and instead live as this forced caricature based on a man's idea of what a woman is. And then for ftms they must just be doing such a drastic thing both physically and socially because of all the disadvantages women face due to their sex.
To me, no, it's much more likely that transgenderism is actually just a thing that happens and some people are born with their wiring fucked up and don't feel right in their bodies, just as they tell the world. People aren't that dedicated to lying. To casually dismiss what psychology says so easily for the sake of ideology is on par with what internet neonazis do "(((they))) want to sterilize and feminize young white males, it's all a plot just think about it". I really wonder how many 'terfs' are that kind of retard compared to how many are simply feminists that say "they are not women".
>>16996>it isn't necessary
That just means they'll definitely
do it. They have to brow beat everyone that's a feminist into jumping with the blt or they can't sit with us anymore. It's getting to the point where there will be about ten people at a single gay rally, on average.
>It's getting to the point where there will be about ten people at a single gay rally, on average.
What's going on with gay rallies?
A queer friend texted me about disliking pride month and that "it's just a bunch of people nitpicking about what is and isn't gay or acceptable", I don't know what that means and didn't think to ask.
t. straight and clueless
Nothing, and nobody on the telly will let you know that. They're like five percent of America, and they're already eating each other. The whole month just skyrocketed them into the camera and just what you described is all that happened.
I think that I could probably agree with the 'trans-exclusionary' bit but I'm not exactly sure what goes into being a 'radical feminist' so I wouldn't call myself a terf.
All that it comes down to is that transwomen aren't cis women. They have their own set of struggles but to imply that they're the exact same hardships as women who are born that way just isn't true. A lot of them don't even pass as female so they're put in an entirely different category of treatment by the general public. Like you treat men one way, women another way, but transwomen/men fall into the category of 'other' whether the people they interact with either actively dislike them and think they're insane or they're trying to tiptoe around their feelings out of fear of offending them rather than acting naturally. And for a lot of transmen there is absolutely no stigma around their appearance/behavior–they just come across as girls with pixie cuts who really like flannel shirts–unless they decide to be Loud & Proud and demand that people RESPECT THEIR PRONOUNS and even when they're in a heterosexual relationship be like 'i'm not a straight woman, i'm a gay transboy :))) and if you don't acknowledge that then you are a bigot and trans/homophobic'
not a tervie personally (though might get called one for not believing that you can fully change your sex ever) but i dont really mind them. I know they hang out on here and lc a lot, whatever, communities that aren't liked in other places are basically what imageboards are for
What makes a woman a real TERF? Not believing transwomen are real women? Is it being a radfem? OP should have explained it better. I only know the term because angry trans women throw that around sometimes.
>I'm too lazy to get into autistic online fights
Good for you. Never be mad on the internet. That's autistic.
>>18319>What makes a woman a real TERF? Not believing transwomen are real women?
but they're not.
tbh it doesn't matter how you 'identify' yourself if it's outside the boundaries of reality. i could identify as a fox or a fictional character or a black hole but does it actually make me one of those things? transwomen are men who have, at their most extreme, taken hormones and had surgery. some of them don't even go to that length; the ones who do, i can be like 'ok, you're committed enough to invest time and $$ into this, you're really serious about it', but just because a man puts on a dress, heels and lipstick on the weekends doesn't mean that he knows what it's like to be born and grow up as a woman. for some of these people it just comes across as a fetish that they've taken too far.
I'm pretty sure I am one for saying that humans have 2 sexes and can usually tell what sex someone else is, so they can, y'know, make babies. it's what made me delete my tumblr account because I was like… if people are this far gone I can't help them.
I identify with the other radfem stuff too I'm just not as involved with it anymore. not sure if that makes me a terf but a lot of "i like makeup for ME" women sure seemed to think so.
TERFs are dumb but it's true that most trans people are immoral creeps. That aside, the idea that biology is the fundamental factor of womanhood is simply wrong, and I've met a couple trans who pass very well. There's no point in autistically calling a trans guy a girl if he passes in society, since society is the determining factor of these things.
Men have, since the dawn of time, held our womanhood at ransom and whoever doesn't conform to their bullshit is 'not feminine enough'. TERFs are really not feminist because they have a shallow conception of what it means to be a woman. Take a drop of postmodernism on this one: don't fall for grand narratives.
>>18684>That aside, the idea that biology is the fundamental factor of womanhood is simply wrong
There's something only women can do, it's creating new life. A man who mutilates himself on account of mental illness isn't a woman.
If anything is holding womanhood ransom it's feminism which tells women to be anything other than a mother.
>>18684>That aside, the idea that biology is the fundamental factor of womanhood is simply wrong, and I've met a couple trans who pass very well>Men have, since the dawn of time, held our womanhood at ransom and whoever doesn't conform to their bullshit is 'not feminine enough'
it sounds like you're saying, 'a man can be a woman if they're feminine enough to pass as a woman', and then turning around and criticizing men for socially imposing said femininity on cisgendered women?
Men with mental illnesses are not women, even if they take hormones, remove their penises, grow their hair out and get implants. I will call them by their pronouns, and respect them as people, but you can't change the fact that men and women are different in so many aspects. I've never met a transwoman who didn't have overly sexual, irrational ideas on what being a girl is like. It's all a fantasy. I know some rational ones are out there, but the majority is not helping their cause.
Also "transbians" are ALWAYS creepy dudes with a lesbian fetish.
>>18710>I've never met a transwoman who didn't have overly sexual, irrational ideas on what being a girl is like. It's all a fantasy.
Where are you meeting all these transwomen?
nayrt but just go to your local anime convention. i can guarantee that you'll run into more than one
NTAYRT but online dating is full of them even on normie sites like OkCupid. I've also met a good handful of transbians just by going out in big European cities (house parties mostly)
Okay. Was just wondering because I've met like one in my lifetime, also one FtM.
I know a few terfs! I have a few trans friends too though so I feel very conflicted when I agree with terf viewpoints. I don't want to lose any friends.
i just hate trannies for making a mockery of womanhood. i don't specifically agree with radical feminist ideologies.
they're sexy and they're the only proper feminists
I'm not rad fem, but I am trans exclusionary. Transgenderism is a mental illness which needs more research and therapeutic practice, not acceptance as a protected minority.