Should infant circumcision be legal?
Only for medical reasons of course
Ideally you would say this, but you'll never get around people's religious bs. I think it "shouldn't" be legal, but practically, doctors should be required to recommend against it and to fully inform the parents of the long-term effects and what it will mean for the child when he is an adult, the same as they would be required to do for any other surgery. I think within a few years it would more become fashionable not to.
It should. There is no point in it unless you have phimosis.
Makes dicks look ugly with the two coloured scar and dryness of the tip
Why are babies even circumcised?
And what happens to them later on?
Everything should be legal in a utopian society.
Started for religious reason and it just stuck. It does lower risk of infection and stds. Plus you can get a build up of gunk under the head which is gross.
absolutely not, how could you cut off a natural functioning part of your childs body? also why was this thread made, are only men responding to it? fuck off
The glans of the penis(the tip) IS a mucous membrane, the same as the inside of your cheeks or pussy; cutting off the foreskin is literally insane. Imagine your vulva was forced to stay wide open so that it dried out like when you fall asleep with your mouth open but permanently. That is what circumcision is.
Circumcision is good because it removes the most sensitive erogenous tissue from a male's body, discouraging masturbation and making them less given to dissipation and sexual violence
Hentai says if you don't masturbate, you get pent up, which leads to all kinds of shenanigans.
Nofap says keeping your sexual energy inside you will lead to godly transcendence.
I think it's test that makes them violent, not just fapping.
You think some sub guy fapping to femdom every day is going to hurt a girl? Assuming that's he's not a switch for this scenario.
As for being obsessed with sex…idk I have that problem myself. But that's there regardless of whether I try to go some time without masturbating or not. If anything it's more prevalent and frustrating.
does help, though. Not in an extreme way because if you have a high drive you're stuck with it for the most part, but masturbation is more fulfilling for longer I find.
On topic, I don't agree with circumcision. If I had a peenor I'd be uncomfortable with it.
Over masturbation in men causes a downward cycle in hormones due to the androgen cycle being disrupted as well as dopamine down regulation; the result is a timid, ornery, depressed and physically feeble man due to chronic vitamin deficiencies. It takes men DAYS to rebuild after squirting off until dry. One ejaculation has more than their entire days worth of protein, hormones and several vitamins. It would be the same as being on your period constantly, the prostate is the male version of the uterus, when it contracts it pushes out semen.
My bf learned this years ago, so he learned to strengthen up the muscles that stop him from peeing to the point that he can literally hold in his come every time he has an orgasm. He doesn't lose his erection or get sensitive, something to do with ejaculating causing the cooldown period. So he basically trained himself to be multiorgasmic. >>22232
We can have dopamine down regulation too, so over masturbating can cause depression and diminishing returns on the good feelings; You intuited that on your own so that's a good thing.
>>22239>Over masturbation in men causes a downward cycle in hormones due to the androgen cycle being disrupted as well as dopamine down regulation; the result is a timid, ornery, depressed and physically feeble man due to chronic vitamin deficiencies. It takes men DAYS to rebuild after squirting off until dry. One ejaculation has more than their entire days worth of protein, hormones and several vitamins. It would be the same as being on your period constantly, the prostate is the male version of the uterus, when it contracts it pushes out semen.
I also love to learn endocrinology and urology from watching Joe Rogan clips
>>22239>My bf learned this years ago, so he learned to strengthen up the muscles that stop him from peeing to the point that he can literally hold in his come every time he has an orgasm. He doesn't lose his erection or get sensitive, something to do with ejaculating causing the cooldown period. So he basically trained himself to be multiorgasmic.
mine does this, too, though he learned it because of how ashamed he feels when he orgasms.
nofap or more accurately: no porn, no masturbation, no ejaculation, especially for men
it's literally magic
Does this work with similar results to pic related for women?
t. tfw no bf
I'm sure such studies will be published in the New England Journal of Medicine any day now
i doubt it,
the powers that be don't like you having hiddden knowledge
you might want to look through this album with more than 250 personal experiences: https://imgur.com/a/g4eGH>>22246
not as good as it works for men because women are forced to lose their blood every month
but your chakras will be purer (most likely makes people like you more) and you won't flood your brain with excessive dopamine through pornography and masturbation
you'll probably be happierhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XOlebgWgLg
Idk fam the kind of stuff that happens on Purge Night doesnt seem very utopian to me
I started the video thinking it would be BS. I mean it prolly is, but ngl it was interesting.
Male circumcision is also disgusting.
It's literally baby torture, I don't understand non-jewish americans defending this practice on this day and age.
The history is fucked up and stupid.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXq03GicS0w
Basically it was done because Americans in the 1800s thought masturbation caused all kinds of health problems, and decided the best way to stop kids from masturbating was to cut off the most sensitive part of the penis to make masturbating more difficult and less pleasurable. Even after masturbation paranoia went away, doctors had realized they can make tons of money getting to charge for a circumcision every time a male baby is born and made up a bunch of health benefits to convince parents to keep doing it anyways. Not like they even need to lie any more, since most Americans now do it for literally no reason than "It's just what everyone does" and never question it their entire lives, complete sheep.
You need to trust in humanity.
but masturbation does cause all kinds of health problems
that being said, mutilating a baby is not the right aproach to stop it
>>22312>but masturbation does cause all kinds of health problems
a citation to peer reviewed medical literature not a series of anecdotes provided by users of 4chan /fit/
>>22249>not as good as it works for men because women are forced to lose their blood every month
but your chakras will be purer (most likely makes people like you more) and you won't flood your brain with excessive dopamine through pornography and masturbation
you'll probably be happier
chakras don't exist. stop appropriating scientific language in the service of new age quackery and idle conjecture
all evidence is based on anecdotes
let go of pen, it falls down
do it again, happens again
happens all over the world, so it's safe to say that pens fall down
same thing applies to masturbation and its consequences
science is not something only someone in a white coat in a special building can do>>22320
do me a favor, please (you'll probably be surprised, given you're relaxed when doing this)
sit down with your legs crossed, spine comfortably errect and relax, cloe your eyes
tilt your head slightly backwards and place your hands on your thighs or knees, palms facing upwards, fingers with about a 45° angle, like you're holding a bowl, no space between your fingers or your index finger/hand and thumb
what do you feel?
>>22322>all evidence is based on anecdotes
In the medical literature there are indeed many publications that are essentially anecdotes: these are called case studies, and although they can be valuable for certain purposes such as reporting an instance of a rare disease process or serving to inspire a related pilot study, everyone acknowledges they are an inferior form of investigation with many limitations that must be acknowledged. At best a case study may inspire more rigorous forms of investigation in the future such as a prospective cohort study or a randomized controlled trial.
It is impossible to derive any actionable conclusions about the effect of masturbation on human health from the self reported experiences of users of a niche internet community.
then how about taoist traditions?
or buddhist traditions?
or catholic traditions?
or muslim traditions?
or shamanic tradtitions?
or hindu traditions?
almost every religion or spiritual way says that masturbtion is bad for you and up to a certain point in time, science said the same thing
and a multitude of personal experiences is not a "case study" since it's not just one case
if you're curious, then i suggest you try it out for yourself and see what the truth is
>>22334>and a multitude of personal experiences is not a "case study" since it's not just one case
you're right. rather it is a multitude of blog posts from the same forum subject to a number of sampling and cognitive biases and collated by some unnamed third party without any description of their methods, discussion of limitations, etc.
case studies have more rigorous standards and definitions. and putting a bunch of case studies in the same place does not ipso facto transmute them into something else
>>22337>if you're curious, then i suggest you try it out for yourself and see what the truth is
anon, while i respect your beliefs, i also feel like you need to stop trying to educate random strangers about them without being asked. if people want to go down that path then they'll find their own resources or they will request them. if you really want to talk about your beliefs, you could make a thread in /x/ or /b/ about esotericism or occultism to start a discussion.
but inserting them into the conversation in seemingly unrelated threads doesn't encourage people who don't believe in this already to take it or you any more seriously.
>>22334>up to a certain point in time, science said the same thing
certain doctors also said that the correct way to deal with it at the time was to fucking remove their clitorises
so i don't think we should be taking those guys seriously.
i know that but thanks for the advice, anon
the discussion evolved naturally, i didn't just bring it up out of nowhere
were not me
that being said, for anyone interested in that kind of topic i'll just post vid related here instead of making another thread on /x/ since it'll just be one post and is kind of related to the current discussion>>22346
so mainstream science was wrong in the past
what's stopping them from being wrong now?
i think a reasonable aproach is to test certain things out for yourself or doing a lot of research, from different sources with different opinions
but i agree, circumcision in both males and females is not a nice thing to do
>>22334>'almost every religion or spiritual way says that masturbtion [sic] is bad for you and up to a certain point in time, science said the same thing'>science/doctors once agreed with me decades ago and therefore I am right>>22349>'so mainstream science was wrong in the past, what's stopping them from being wrong now?'>science/doctors don't agree with me now but they've been wrong before so they're probably wrong now too
somehow i am doubtful.
man, i have some off-kilter spiritual beliefs of my own, but i have never tried to cram them down the throats of other people who don't share them. If pure chakras are supposed to make you likeable, yours must be polluted af.
Yes, males deserve to suffer.
U k hun? xoxo Yikes.
Idk why were discussing such things on a female only imageboard but I’ll bite, I think it’s barbaric to mutilate the genitals of babies and I don’t understand why it’s such a thing in America? In the UK it’s only done if there’s an emergency need for it. Idk the thought makes me shudder, it’s messed up. Are americans known to be that bad at cleaning their cock and balls? Idk????
Religious nut jobs convinced everyone to clip their babies peens about 100 years ago and now it's just routine since the fathers don't want their son to have a different looking dick than them.
You have to argue with the doctors for them not to clip your son too. There have been hundreds of cases where a nurse notices an uncircumcised and clips him without asking the parents because they were just looking for something to do; now, after many lawsuits they put a big sign on your baby's cot that say "Do Not Circumcise". It's a messed up world.
They use the foreskins they collect from infant circumcisions for biomedical research and cosmetic products
I didnt know that. We should thank male babies for their sacrifices they are forced into for the greater good
I salute males and their noble stoicism!
My husband isn’t and we insisted our sons not be.
They nurses acted like we were refusing vaccines or something but the doctors were fine.
My dad and brother are circumcised but I think it's so unnecessary, cruel, and wrong. Same with female circumcision. Same with cutting dogs' tails and what-not for shows.
If I have sons they won't be circumcised. My boyfriend has the same opinion, so it won't be a problem.
Yeah, of course. It lowers the risk of STDs and infections so I'm not even sure why any woman would be against it, since it benefits us. My bf is Jewish and circumcised. When it's done by a doctor, it's clean and doesn't even leave a scar. He's so happy that he was circumcised and probably would have gotten it done as an adult if he didn't have it done as a child. He's delighted that it looks better and is cleaner. It doesn't affect him negatively in any way. I think it looks much sexier than uncircumcised penises, it also is more appealing to give blowjobs to. It's not on the same level as female circumcision at all because female circumcision is not done by professionals, causes infections, perpetuates ridiculous myths about female sexuality, reduces pleasure in women and has absolutely no benefits. I'm 100% against fgm. We have agreed to circumcise our sons if we have any.
>>24869>reduces pleasure in women
It does that to them too. Not the end of the world but it makes the tip less sensitive.
From experience, it makes no difference for my bf. He still is very sensitive, even at the tip.
My ex was circumcised as well, because I live in the US and so everyone I ever get with will probably be. Lots of non-virgin posters here will only have experience with circumcised penises. Just because it felt good for him didn't mean it couldn't feel better, a circumcised at birth person doesn't have anything to compare to so it just "feels good".
Less sensitive =/= not sensitive at all. You're literally removing nerve endings that are part of the sexual experience. There's objectively a reduction in what can be felt, making this aspect not unique to female circumcision.
I have a feeling you're going
to be purposefully difficult so there's no point in continuing.
Also as I said before, it's not really the end of the world and it feels plenty good for a circumcised male anyway. I feel it should be illegal but I am not passionate about it.
For boys? I don't care. Let men fight it out between themselves
For women? no, it should be illegal everywhere
I actually live in Europe so circumcision is unusual here. Hence why I specified my bf is Jewish. It's a rarity. Not everyone who disagrees with you is trying to be "difficult" lmao. Since you've admitted that you only have experience with cut penises why don't you just listen to what people who have experience with both have to say instead of making assumptions? Why get so heated over something you don't have experience in?
It has benefits for women and a tiny reduction in sensitivity isn't a reason to ban it. It's not the reduced sensitivity that bothers me about fgm, it's the fact that it's not done by professionals and therefore causes horrific infections. It has no benefits. It causes women pain
during sex and childbirth. It's just a giant wound waiting to be infected or reopened in countries where women have no access to healthcare. On the other hand, male circumcision is done by doctors in first world counties where they're not at risk of a dangerous infection or pain during sex. I can't believe you'd even attempt to compare them.
Would you support FGM if it was performed by professional doctors? If it was done under clean and sterile conditions and was able to fully heal, would you get it done to yourself?
FGM aside, since you're the only one talking about it, most of the problems arising from not circumcising (STIs, UTIs) come from a lack of education about hygiene.
Canadian docters don't recommend circumcision any more due to the benefits no longer outweighing the risks of having an unnecessary surgical proceedure on a newborn.
Let's compare the two:
One is cutting off a natural part of someone's genitals. The other is cutting off a natural part of someone's genitals.
Now please explain to me the differences. (Hardmode: The removal of pleasure receptors cannot be used as an argument, since both men and women can experience pleasure after circumcision.) :)
No because it has no benefits. Read what I wrote.>>24934
Read what I wrote above lazy fuck :)
>>24869>We have agreed to circumcise our sons if we have any.
Why not wait untill he's old enough to make the decision for himself instead of forcing it on a newborn?
"my body, my choice" and all that.
uncut dick is better than cut dick
delicious glossy penis head om nom nom
It should be illegal, no exception. I want to live in a society that values bodily autonomy and children's personhood over parent's desire to irreversibly force their religious views on their fucking newborn.
I've really been blackpilled on circumcision since I started dating a very anti-circ uncut guy. It's absolutely fucking insane that normies see it as a nonissue and I think the fact that it's happening to men is a huge part of it. I don't entirely blame dumbfuck normies for being brainwashed but it's a despicable practice. Pic related for based take I saw recently.>>53731
This. idk how I could fuck someone circ'd again now that I've experienced how wonderfully sensitive my bf's fully functional dick is
Has your anti-MGM bf seen Gregory Malchuk's YouTube channel? I think he would like it.
My sister. I got blackpilled after watching Eric Clopper's video about it.
I can't imagine what it would be like to have you son die because of a cosmetic procedure… I wish they would put parents in the same room as their babies during the procedure. I swear women in particular would stop supporting it immediately.
No, not for men or women.
As a non-American it's pretty mind blowing how an ancient blood sacrifice is so widespread and normalised in a supposedly first world country.
When i was younger i thought it was this fucked up thing only jews and muslims practiced with their backwards religion, but no.
nigga jews and muslims make up 30% of the world population and not at all reside in "third world" countries, islamic empires were markedly more advanced than the west for a very long time in terms of science, literature and mathematics.
So maybe stop talking out of your modernist ass "so backword omgeee the religions that do that are savages!!11!"
Name one islamic country that isn't 3rd world with customs that could only be called savage. All of them absolutely shit on women's rights
Imagine being a women and defending countries who actually enforce the systematic oppression of women.
>>54551>Islamic countries aren't backwards! They USED to know how science works!
I don’t think it’s possible to “be a women”.
How can you be multiple people? Are you one of those multiple personality freaks?
Yes and its not just genital mutilation that should be legal, it should also be legal to stretch necks with metal rings as practiced in Africa and to tie little girls feet to make them tiny as they used to do in China, cutting off of the clitoris as practiced in some african muslim lands, it should be legal for parents to do whatever they want with their child.
Ah, an An-Cap, I see.
On children? No. On adults? Sure.
Sure but don't take it on the children
Yes it should be illegal >>22227
I think it unironically has the reverse effect.
smegma buildup only happens if your man doesn't wash. at all.
So does no fap have any real life, tangible benefits for women or not?
You're all fucking insane. It lowers their sex drive sooooo of course. They have the potentiql to become pedophiles, rapists, molesters with or without circumcision …and god knows what else.
Obviously it should be done.
More like you're a an angry moid. False flagging what? Are you denying they become all manner of sex offenders? Women do not, even when they're not circumcised
Idk even if I was male I would appreciate feeling less crazy and less enraged by my own sex drive
its a human sacrifice ritual. a blood ritual. a relic of a stone age, evil religion that's designed to hurt people's sexuality and rob them for life. and the scars are disgusting looking like wtf
burgers still doing it?
not if it diminishes their sex drive its not. they are more likely to become rapists, pedophiles etc. in a way its kind of good.
countries with higher circ rates have higher rates of rape and murder. more trannies and pedophiles, too. us and israel are the tranny capitols of the world.
show me the evidence to back it up. europe has more trannies than the US and virtually no circumcision.
And empathy with sympathy.
Are you circumcised and now coping with that or just very stupid?
>>180307>europe has more trannies than the US
The US has been cracking down on trannies for a while now too, Europe has not
the UK has and that is based.>>180316
also you are right, nothing compares to US lib cities.
UK isn't a part of europe anymore.
And no. American liberals are like the conservatives of Europe. Liberals in europe are diehard communists.
Everyone pretty much knows this already.
it's irrelevant when you barely have any trannies in the first place. Show me any legitimate statistics about there being more trannies in europe than in the US. IF you can't, you're full of shit
>>180327>Liberals in europe are diehard communists.
Retarded and wrong.
Liberals in European countries are economically liberal (ie. diehard capitalists) first and foremost. I suppose they are similar to what Americans would call Libertarians, just somewhat less extreme.
I'd only argue that nordic countries (sweden and finland mostly) could potentially be worse than us when it comes to trannies. Like what europe are you talking about? You think trannies are walking around en masse in bosnia and romania? Europe is not a monolith. Uk is still a part of europe, it's just not in the european union kek
France, Sweden, Belgium, Germany, Norway, spain, Yes.
It really depends on the country but if we're talking about France, Norway, Sweden etc they're vastly more extreme than American liberals.
Either way you don't need much scientific research to prove circumcision diminishes men's sex drive. It's why people started the practice at all. Plus the fact that it prevents venereal disease. Sure men just have to wash correctly but when do they ever oh my god
I'm not so sure about spain and belgium, and then you still have 38 countries left kek
No, you said something, back it up with evidence.
it does not prevent vd. rates are much higher in the us than they are in europe.https://onlinedoctor.superdrug.com/std-us-eu/
Anyone got a source of circumcision lowering men's sex drive?
>>180338>It's why people started the practice at all
No just religiotards being religiotards.
They are devoid of logic and reason even more than animals.
There none, its tranny with castration fetish.
Are there any studies on the effects of circumcision at all? Or is this just anecdotal he-said-she-said back and forth-ing and assumptions about some male issue completely irrelevant to women?
Dont mutlilate your children
I think there was /pol/ image about that somewhere.
But regardless of that its obviously seriously traumatises them, since it done without consent and anesthesia on rather sensetive and private organ.
idk but trannies were invented after a botched circumcision. google John Money experiment
I don't get why they won't ban male circumcision of babies but my country came together and banned female?
Can't they wait till a males a teenager and then decide if he wants to be circumcised when there's more to work with and the person can voice an opinion?
Why is it up to the parents to scar a body that is not theirs, that's what pisses me off the most, its not their body, what medical reason is there to chop off baby genitals, will it save the babies life after birth or some shit, fuck religious excuses, what if your son grows up and does not want to be a part of your religion that demands circumcision, are you not forcing a non-reversible change on a body that's not yours.
If I had a son and the father wanted to chop off his dick for whatever bullshit reasons I'm going for divorce and removing the child from the father immediately.
because they become rapists and pedophiles it diminishes their sex drive
it doesn't diminish it. they still want to, but it makes them nuts because they can't get properly get off, so they get all sorts of deranged fetishes as a result. castrating them would diminish their sex drive
They would have deranged fetishes either way. Also this is a complete lie. At least they don't want it as much and as often.
Agree on this. I don't see the problem if the end game is diminishing the sex drive of rape apes.
I don't see any studies listed for negative effects of circumcision either, so I guess we're all retarted cherrypickers in this thread
If it killed babies 'all the time' it would be in the news all the time. All medical procedures can be botched.
To simply diminish the sex drive of a potential rape apes or pedophile what does it have to do with religion
Agreed. Now tell that to >>180856
Neither is "dude trust me, im a moid"
look up the map of circumcision prevalence in countries then look at the map of erectile dysfunction prevalence in countries.
Except… It doesn't? Europe doesn't do circumcision yet erectile dysfunction is much higher than in countries that practice it (Arabs etc). You could more say that the prevalence of erectile dysfunction correlates with the countries with a longer live expectance because people live longer and thus men are likely more to experience erectile dysfunction because they reach old age kek.
infibulation is much worse than circumcision