1585328814675.png enby trannies? Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 01:37:28 AM 56235
There's an entire thread about trans women but I'm curious about nonbinary people
1. do you personally know any nonbinaries? 2. do you see them as different from men/women or just larpers? 3. do you have different experiences with male and female ones? 4. do you see them as different from regular trannies? Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 06:17:13 AM 56242 >>56235
It strikes me as a fad that people will drop as quickly as they drop vegan diets after a few years. They’re just the next step after trannies in the cultural rat race to become “even more specialer than everyone else”. I am however thankful that it seems like a cultural stopping point; I have a hard time believing that the mass media and normies will care about people’s super unique gender and sexual identities anymore after trans. No one outside tumblr / twitter seems to give a shit about demisexual amorantic sapiosexual biromantic bullshit, so I think nonbinaries will be lumped into that pile should their terminology ever escape the internet cesspool.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 01:09:50 PM 56253
I mostly agree with
. Maybe it’s just my old age getting to me but I’m skeptical that most of these nb special genders/sexualities will stick.
I have talked to a few (under 18) non-binary people in real life as part of my job/circle pre-corona and they’re all 1. Afab (translation: born female) with traditionally non-feminine personalities and 2. Something else “wrong with them” (such as mental illness, past eating disorders or unstable home lives). A few of them did eventually became girls again within the time I knew them and I suspect many of the others will turn out the same way.
From a professional and personal perspective, I see nothing wrong with people feeling free to explore gender. It’s better than forcing every girl who feels uncomfortable with her body during puberty and every boy who wants to wear a princess dress for Halloween to go through HRT anyway. I even used singular “they” to describe person without a stated gender before LGBT+ was mainstream (got shit for it by a few supervisors even). However, I think the concept of someone actually being non-binary is even less likely than some actually being binary trans. Most of these people are just non-gender-conforming [insert sex here], not a whole spectrum of third gender, and most will eventually realize that once they grow up a bit.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 01:16:34 PM 56254 >>56253
What about non-binaries on hrt?
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 01:35:13 PM 56255 >>56254
I’m against putting children on hormones in general. Non-binary, transmasc, genderflux, whatever. I don’t care if that’s transphobic of me to say, they can wait until they’re 18. Hormone blockers are fine, but they’re on thin ice as we don’t really know much about them.
I don’t have any experience with non-binary adults on hormones, but if a psychiatrist prescribed them it, they can go ahead within the professional recommendation. Malpractice and misdiagnosises (spelling?) happens, but this stuff is not as flippantly given out as most people think because they don’t want to lose their license. Black market hormones are different so I can’t comment.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 02:13:52 PM 56259 >>56235
I think non-binaries but the ones that don't put on the label are just pleasant normal people. I don't understand people who choose to be only feminine or masculine, they're often very limited in their thinking as well.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 03:47:27 PM 56263
i was "non-binary" during my teen years, and i eventually reverted back to being a woman as i realized i felt out of place in my body because of internalized misogyny. i feel like a lot of "afab" non binary kids dont feel they align with the idea of womanhood that gets advertised everywhere that they dont think they are a woman.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 06:50:48 PM 56268 >>56235
“Nonbinaries” are just trannies who didn’t feel special enough. Even bigger attention whores than the men who wear dresses.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 07:17:27 PM 56269 >>56268
Majority of non-binaries are a threat to trannies because they tear down retarded gender stereotypes. Sexual tranny degenerates will seethe.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 07:50:28 PM 56271 >>56269 >I don't feel like I am X gender so I will create a new gender instead.
In what way does this fight gender?
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 08:32:55 PM 56274 >>56271 >>56272
You should learn first what non-binary means before spouting bullshit.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 08:43:46 PM 56276 >>56275 You're wrong again. It's people that are not exclusively masculine or feminine. Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 08:59:54 PM 56278 >>56276
That’s fucking stupid. You know what makes someone feminine? Having a vagina. Shoo.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 09:02:08 PM 56279 >>56277 No, most people tryhard at conforming to gender binary stereotypes. Trannies as well. Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 09:04:49 PM 56280 >>56278
So you don't consider people feminine or masculine unless you saw them naked? That's pretty degenerate.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 09:14:39 PM 56282 >>56281 You are exclusviely feminine if you present it both in behavior and appearance. >> they literally think they're something else than men or women No, most of them are fine with their assigned at birth sex. They just don't overly identify with it. Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 09:27:58 PM 56283 >>56280 >degenerate
Is that supposed to be offensive?
Please read the sticky.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 09:43:32 PM 56284 >>56282 >overly identify
Purge the I-word from your vocabulary. It's a brainworm. Women are women regardless of what surgeries they have done or what costumes they like to wear.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 09:48:53 PM 56285 >>56284
Yes, they are. I haven't said anything that contradicts it.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 10:21:39 PM 56286 >>56282
So every female powerlifter or thrower is now nonbinary? And every male dancer, runner, or figure skater is nonbinary? What is the point of gender when people can behave however they want, and still consider themselves whichever gender they want?
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 10:33:39 PM 56287 >>56286 >So every female powerlifter or thrower is now nonbinary? And every male dancer, runner, or figure skater is nonbinary?
Your logic here doesn't really make sense.
Conditioning your body for a sport is not closely related to gender identity. There are probably non-binary female powerlifters but I see most of them present a feminine identity.
>What is the point of gender
It's something that was always there. We just gave it a name.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 10:57:53 PM 56289 >>56288 Are you saying powerlifitng is something that fully defines an individual that's into it? There are more factors to people. Try thinking less shallow. Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 11:00:32 PM 56290 >>56289
You're the one who said
>You are exclusviely feminine if you present it both in behavior and appearance.
Powerlifters obviously do not present as stereotypical females in appearance. Neither do any of the other athletes listed. Hence they don't present in both behavior and appearance. At most, they present female in only behavior. Unless you have a completely warped view of what gender norms are.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 11:06:44 PM 56291 >>56290
That's because you're lacking flexibility in thinking. You're understanding everything literally.
Female powerlifters have muscles sure, but they present very feminine imo. Styled long hair, sexy make-up and nice girly personalities. Just look up any youtube video of one and you will see.
Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 11:42:33 PM 56295 >>56292 >>you said 'exclusively feminine' behavior. I didn't. Besides powerlifting doesn't define someone's whole personality and behavior. Anonymous 07/29/20 (Wed) 11:55:38 PM 56296 >>56235
non binaries are worse in theory, as their identity is meaningless and embarrassing. in person, they are nothing more than ex hamilton/sherlock/dr.who/fujo stans that can't even make a phone call without hyperventilating. trannies are worse, specifically male ones.
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 12:36:52 AM 56299 >>56296 > they are nothing more than ex hamilton/sherlock/dr.who/fujo stans that can't even make a phone call without hyperventilating.
Damn, didn’t know every miner was actually nb.
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 07:22:59 AM 56319 >>56280
Oh look, le tranny defense force has arrived. Let me guess, gender is a social construct and doesn’t exist, yet simultaneously we NEED to let men chop their dicks off or else they’ll commit suicide because they aren’t girly enough?
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 08:54:32 AM 56325 >>56319
Your reading comprehension is so bad that you can't even recognize anti-trans supporters.
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 10:33:12 AM 56331
Nonbinary people say shit like “gender isn’t real!!1!” yet enforce the idea of gender by the very nature of their identity. The idea of gender has been so ingrained in them, that they believe if they don’t identify with the gender stereotypes associated with their sex, that they must be something different/outside of the “gender binary”! If they TRULY didn’t believe in gender, they would acknowledge their sex, and understand that their gender nonconformity does not change the fact of them being a man or woman. In fact, no person truly perfectly fits the fake, socially constructed “gender binary.” Sex is real. Gender is not.
>>56276 >nonbinaries are people that are not exclusively masculine or feminine.
You are just thinking of gender nonconformity. No one defines nonbinary people like this. Nonbinary people literally think they are something seperate from men and women.
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 11:04:02 AM 56332 >>56331 >they would acknowledge their sex
They do, that's why they don't transition.
> Nonbinary people literally think they are something seperate from men and women.
You haven't met any non-binary people then. First you say they are attached to the idea of gender then you say they're not. I think you haven't figured out yet what it means.
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 11:30:26 AM 56335 >>56332
Nonbinary means anything you want it to mean, sweetie, because defining it would create boundaries that might exclude people, and we just can't be having that in The Current Year ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 11:31:02 AM 56336 >>56332 >You haven't met any non-binary people then.
If they didn’t think they were something separate from a man or woman, then they wouldn’t call themselves nonbinary. You are thinking of gender nonconformity. It isn’t the same thing. You KNOW this.
>First you say they are attached to the idea of gender then you say they're not.
Nope, not what I said! They are attracted to the idea of gender by the very nature of identities. They believe that because they do not conform to gender stereotypes, that they are something different than a man or a woman. If they TRULY did not believe in gender, then they would acknowledge that they are a simply gender nonconforming man or woman.
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 11:32:08 AM 56337 >>56335
What are you talking about? We clearly hating on trannies here.
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 11:36:44 AM 56338 >>56336
No one calls themselves nonbinary in real life, except larping retards. It's simply a way of being, you don't voice it.
> they would acknowledge that they are a simply gender nonconforming man or woman
They do acknowledge that they're born either a woman or man, so what the fuck are you on about?
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 11:44:27 AM 56339 >>56338 >No one calls themselves nonbinary in real life
This just isn’t true. You know the people who call themselves nonbinary online also exist in real life, right?
>They do acknowledge that they're born either a woman or man
Yes, they might acknowledge that they are “afab” of “amab,” but they will still insist that they are NOT a man or a woman, but nonbinary. Literally go onto tumblr and ask any nonbinary person to confirm this.
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 12:01:26 PM 56342 >>56339
You missed to process the rest of the first sentence.
>. Literally go onto tumblr
I don't talk to kid or teenager larpers, they are not a representation of non-binary people and you are disconnected from the real world if you go by online social media examples.
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 12:33:53 PM 56343 >>56332
I've never seen a nonbinary person that didn't either transition/want to or have some sort of physical dysphoria and I've seen quite a few
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 03:44:47 PM 56350 >>56332
I have met a nonbinary person. She was nice, but she always got angry that I wouldn't call her "they/them", and I said it was grammatically weird and made me think of multiple people or a hivemind. She also asked for this concession from every person in the school and wanted to be considered neither a girl nor boy. She also wore a binder and had a very christian, racist father, so I had my suspicions that she just wanted to be rebellious and/or was abused. She tried to act more like a boy, but had a very squishy feminine face and was small. Funnily enough, she started treating me more nicely after her younger brother had a crush on me.
(Saged for kind of blogpost)
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 08:26:33 PM 56361 >>56342
How do you tell who is a ~true~ nonbinary person lmao?
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 10:12:02 PM 56363 >>56361
By seeing how mature and reasonable they are about it. I have many non-binary friends well into their 30s and 40s, it's obviously not just a phase for them.
Anonymous 07/30/20 (Thu) 11:09:02 PM 56364 >>56363 >mature >reasonable >thinks their hair dye makes them a magical exception to maleness or femaleness
Anonymous 07/31/20 (Fri) 12:24:30 AM 56366 >>56364
They don't have dyed hair, you're just being pathetic at this point.
Anonymous 07/31/20 (Fri) 01:27:06 AM 56367 >>56363
Even if it’s “not a phase,” it’s still not a valid identity. They aren’t any less valid because they’re “mature about it” lol. That’s like saying a TiM is a woman because he’s “mature about it.” Your “nonbinary” friends are all either men or women. I don’t care how gender nonconforming they are.
Anonymous 07/31/20 (Fri) 01:28:19 AM 56368 >>56367
samefag, meant that your friends aren’t any more* valid
Anonymous 07/31/20 (Fri) 04:11:50 AM 56379
they're easier to clock as girls online than trannies are in person
Anonymous 07/31/20 (Fri) 04:33:42 AM 56380
this non-binary stuff is the most histrionic thing I've seen in recent years. not being feminine doesn't make you belong to a third gender. you can larp as a "they/it/xer" among your ilk for all I care but don't expect me to call you "they"
Anonymous 07/31/20 (Fri) 06:56:05 AM 56385
I only met one nonbinary person in my life. She dressed like a cartoon character and changed her name to "Collar".
I've also only met one transperson in my life. They were obviously mentally ill and crying everyday. Anonymous 07/31/20 (Fri) 06:58:19 AM 56386
Is this shit fad just the logical end result of several generations of social conditioning girls to think femininity is strictly pink dresses and child care, followed by one generation of breaking the mold? You can be a girl and like MMA and monster trucks, ffs. I hate how this movement simultaneously wants to say that gender isn’t real, sex isn’t binary, everything’s an imaginary social construct, yet a guy who likes baking or a girl who likes weightlifting has GOTTA BE NON-BINARY AND QUEER YALL
Anonymous 07/31/20 (Fri) 09:58:07 AM 56392
i was on tumblr for most of my teen years so it isn't a completely new concept but what's interesting is how nonbinary went from "neither male nor female" to "gender nonconforming but still trans" in my age group
>do you personally know any nonbinaries? a few >do you see them as different from men/women or just larpers? larpers but i would still use pronouns. as far as the lgbt community i only talk to other radfem lesbians these days >do you have different experiences with male and female ones? i'm sure there are but i avoid males who are into queer theory as for afabs, ive met some who have a dissociation/trauma from womanhood and reject it, which i kinda understand and sympathize with >do you see them as different from regular trannies? the same, i think all of this is a result of restrictive gender roles in media/from older generations. i don't think the answer to getting rid of gender roles completely is to make new genders. Anonymous 07/31/20 (Fri) 07:44:26 PM 56414
I know a lot of nonbinary people, they're fine. Most of them are IRL (I live in a city where I'm deep into a queer scene).
Some are XX, some are XY, some are intersex. Some of them are more feminine and some are more masculine. Some are annoying and some are chill. I get incredibly frustrated by the people who have a persecution complex and are nonbinary and aligned with their assigned gender, though. Like, okay, if you're an AFAB nonbinary femme, that's great for you and I'll support you, but please be a fun and pleasant person and have a conversation about, like, pets or music or books or that's interesting - I don't want to talk about how society oppressed you every day when you're not persecuted, just a little inconvenienced! anything But again, 4/5 of the nonbinary people I know are lovely. Maybe they like cats or Steven Universe too much, but I like dogs and Pokemon too much, so we're really even. Anonymous 07/31/20 (Fri) 08:23:21 PM 56419 >>56414
Your friends are all either men or women
Anonymous 08/01/20 (Sat) 01:23:14 PM 56465 > femininity is strictly pink dresses and child care Have you not noticed how many brainwashed women like that we have on cc? It's pretty sad. Anonymous 08/02/20 (Sun) 05:48:36 PM 56540 >>56465
But those are larping trannies
Anonymous 08/02/20 (Sun) 09:25:56 PM 56571 >>56540
Unfortunately there are biological women like that too, insecure about their femininity. Cute uwu pink baby shit, disgusting.
Anonymous 08/03/20 (Mon) 11:05:48 AM 56604 >3. do you have different experiences with male and female ones? The only male enbies I've met were either wannabe femboys or early-stage trannies. Female enbies are usually the tumblr sjw-type, want to fit in (especially in lgbt circles), and generally think they aren't women because sometimes they don't conform with all the female gender roles or don't want to deal with misogyny. I feel like most of them will grow out of it. Anonymous 08/03/20 (Mon) 11:32:39 AM 56605 >>56604 >I feel like most of them will grow out of it.
they better do, there's nothing more tragic than a 30 year old nb woman
Anonymous 08/03/20 (Mon) 11:57:11 AM 56606 >>56605
Nothing beats trannies in terms of tragic.
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 01:19:12 AM 56693 >>56606
But in other terms, lots of people beat trannies
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 01:25:40 AM 56694 >>56571
Are you attacking the color pink, dresses, and children, or are you attacking this idea that only those things are feminine? Because I'd say that women who legitimately like that stuff, not just because they're brainwashed but because dresses and long skirts are hella cute and children are lovable little retards, are pretty brave on their own in this era of "ugh we must advance the cause of justice, forward the flag of the tranny pink haired hamplanet!" where they can just say 'yes, but see, this is nice and I'm going to do what I think is good'.
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 02:02:50 AM 56699 >>56694
yeah, we're getting into an age of "all women must wear pants and act like men, because that's empowering!" Rather than one in which both men and women can choose to act however they want, and not have to "transition" in order to feel normal
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 02:05:17 AM 56700 >>56694
Women who don't know how to be cute, feminine, desirable etc. in other way than wearing pastel, pink, dresses, skirts shit kind of thing.
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 03:20:13 AM 56708 >>56700
No, but like, are you hating on women who just legitimately think that a pink dress is cute, or are you hating on women who think that if you think a pink dress ISN'T cute then you're super unfeminine? Because the second is sensible, the first is kind of eh. Being feminine doesn't mean pastel pink babyface, but it also doesn't exclude those things. Femininty is an attitude.
Also I don't know about you but I usually feel like I'm the only person of my age (22) in a hundred mile radius wearing long (ankle) skirts, everyone else is wearing hot pants, jeans, ripped up jeans, sweatpants, whatever, so I'm honestly not sure who you're even referring to with the pink skirts stuff.
I just hate how 'empowerment' means 'like a guy'. Why can't I be confident and self-assured AND wear a skirt? I look good in a skirt.
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 03:40:59 AM 56710 >>56708
I don't hate on anyone. I just want indoctrination that favors men's fetishes to end.
I already answered the rest with my previous posts. Practice reading comprehension more.
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 03:44:00 AM 56711 >>56710
Well, my point is that skirts, pink, and raising kids aren't a generic "men's fetish". In my experience in fact they're far less a "man's fetish" than muscles are a "woman's fetish". They might be classically feminine but so is not walking around dressed like a three dollar whore, and that seems like the hottest thing for men these days.
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 03:47:11 AM 56712 >>56710
How is it male indoctrination if I'm gay yet still find cutesy shit appealing?
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 03:57:44 AM 56713 >>56712
It's female indoctrination done mostly by other brainwashed women. They
raise their daughters to be like that.
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 03:59:23 AM 56714 >>56713
So are you saying that if people don't like what you like they're indoctrinated? Sounds like indoctrination to me hmmm
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 04:03:09 AM 56715 >>56714
No, that's what you made up yourself.
Thinking that being a cute wife trophy is the only life goal is indoctrination.
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 04:05:12 AM 56717 >>56715
You literally just told someone who said they find "cutesy shit appealing" that they're indoctrinated by their mom. Nobody said shit about being a trophy wife, that's all you. Stop projecting your repressed fetishes, if you want to be a collared slave to dick you can, nobody will judge you, you go girl.
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 04:08:25 AM 56718 >>56714
Another one who can't read for shit. You should stop being so insecure as well.
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 04:12:57 AM 56719 >>56718 >accuse someone of lacking reading comprehension >actually just doesn't have a good follow up
Just admit you're wrong.
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 04:21:37 AM 56720 >>56719
You can't consistently follow my point. I don't know why you're frustrated if you're not the stereotype that I described in detail.
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 05:11:30 AM 56724 >>56718
have you considered if nobody can understand your point it might be you who can't write for shit
Anonymous 08/04/20 (Tue) 09:11:18 AM 56735 >>56724
Nope. Because every other woman I talked about this recognizes the deeply rooted problem within our society. And if you can't imagine the progression of a little girl taught to make herself cute just for the attention of a man then you might be really fucked up.