Do men even have feelings? Anonymous 15289
I've never met a man that had a shred of empathy, even when they are "depressed" it's all about ohhhh no I will never have this 10/10 asian stacy suck my penis or waaaaaah women find men who are taller more attractive, do they care about love or friendship or anything deeper than sex and social status.
non-femcel anons please answer this question.
They do, it just gets developed more as they get older. Those are common teenager/young adult problems.
I wasn't like that when I was a teenage, why should men be different?
Men are generally less empathetic, but only by a little. They also definitely care about love.>friendship
Have you not seen how strong their friendships are? They literally just fight for a bit to get it out of their systems and then go right back to being friends in under a week. I'm actually kinda jealous about it tbh.>>15293
Because you weren't pumped full of testosterone. Teenage boys experience a dip in empathy for a few years, which is the opposite of girls.
when do they start to resemble humans?
If by "humans" you mean women, never. If you mean adults, around 17. If you actually
mean humans, they usually start to talk around 18 months, let your pediatrician know if it's any later.
Men are humans. They cry, they get scared, hurt, etc. I think they are socially conditioned not to be aware of these emotions, similarly to how as women we're socially conditioned to repress our anger and aggression.
nope, 21 and still no hope
Friendship among men being stronger than friendship among women is a meme made by men.
How many male friends do you have?
You are spot on OP, like for real all the guys I’ve met are total assholes and it’s like they lack the sense of common decency. Like today on the bus ride home I had 4 grocery bags and I was expecting this sweet looking Asian boy to get up and give me his seat and he DIDNT and I questioned him saying can I sit here and he said NO
I think it’s just a result of social conditioning from the capitalist system. Rewards the assholes and since men want to succeed they think emulating assholes will get them rich and girls. I hate this world
I have 2 male friends. But I have a very close group of female friends I have been friends with for close to a decade. I feel as if it's often pushed that women are all super catty and bitchy to each other, betraying each other at every instance while men have bonds stronger than steel. It feels a bit insulting imo.
I'm glad you have such good friends. That hasn't been my experience except for a few. Idk which one of us is the weird one.
I can't tell if you're joking or not.
the fuck did you j…
that all you got…? a low effort switch to make it seemingly relevant to woman? doesn't even make sense and only shows how little you actually know about the board, women, our preferences, and what we actually complain about.
Can we start randomly breaking the 4th wall in threads like this and start to directly talk to the neurotic male robots that shamelessly lurk these threads to freak them out?
nta, but it's clearly that shitty and low effort because the original post was.
Anger is a feeling, anger is an emotion. In that way men are far more emotional than women.
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Men usually stay quiet about their emotions because when they do open up they're greeted with contempt and dismissal. Men's problems always get compared to women's problems, as if women's issues are the standard for everything and nothing can be equally bad or worse to them. Worst aspect about this subject is when men get lured to open up, and then all of their problems get tacked on their manhood or masculinity. As if they're faulty women. Well they're not faulty women, they're MEN with MEN's problems. It's really toxic in modern society to lure in people pretending to care about their problems, only to attack their core identity like some kind of death trap.
Honestly, if I hadn't met my boyfriend, I would think the exact same as OP. I don't want to mislead girls into thinking that there are loads of nice guys out there, there aren't and the majority of men are genuinely unsympathetic and immature. I'm just saying that it's not impossible for a man to be kind and thoughtful and that actually makes things worse because I know it's possible for men to be lovely people, they just choose not to be.
I even found that my boyfriend started becoming more sympathetic towards women after meeting me. But again, I don't think the solution is to get every asshole a girlfriend and hope he'll "change". My bf thinks that men just act like assholes all the time because it's comfy for them and to break out of that would mean to recognise all the women they've shat on in their lives were actually human with feelings like them. It's comfy to keep your position of power by pretending that women are just objects who can't feel. I mean, you could see a pregnant woman standing on the bus and think "Wow she must be exhausted from standing all day and due to literally creating life. If she falls, it could be fatal for the baby and injure her too. I should give her my seat." or you could pretend none of that is true and just keep your nice, warm, comfortable seat, right?
I think a huge problem is that men bottle up their feelings to look "normal" in front of friends and co-workers. It means that when you date a man, he finally sees someone to dump all of his emotional baggage onto and expects you to act like his mummy/therapist. They see other men the same way we do, uncaring and emotionless so when the opportunity of talking to someone who "has emotions" arises, they'll literally treat you like a filing cabinet for every problem they ever had. So yeah, men do have feelings but once again it's still something that negatively impacts us.
cute asian boy dont want to spoil me
spider webs probably are
You're probably joking but I've always thought homosexual love was purer. Love between two women or love between two men means there's no gender barrier and no gender stereotypes, you're more likely to see each other as individual humans.
It just ain't. Well maybe lesbian love is, but gay men barely even have long term relationships, let alone meaningful ones.
they don't but women aren't much better
Love in general is very impure and full of conflict. The kind of pure love you see in anime is so rare it might as well be nonexistent.
Sure, and I agree that's wrong. I genuinely want a soft crybaby bf to the point of it being almost fetishistic.
But let's not pretend they have empathy or sympathy though, which is what OP was referencing.
Why do you do this to yourself?>wants a softie bf>but men don't have empathy or sympathy
Have you just never met a man or something?
I've met too many men and don't know any that truly care for others at all.
Maybe some do, but they must be pretty rare.
Not to let women off the hook btw, but I think we at least have base level of caring (with some exceptions).
They're not rare at all.>my dad>my brother>my other brother>my boyfriend>my boss
I'm guessing you had some bad experiences and now you just assume the worst of every guy you meet even though they haven't given you any reason to.
I can't even argue anymore.
I honestly wish men didn't scare me so much and I could be free from the hell I've built for myself.
Well as long as you know you've built it.
>>15420>lists five people>"not rare at all!!!"
The five of them represent a good chunk of then men in my life on a day to day basis. Only a few of the men I've known have been bad people. You're just paranoid and judgemental.
NTA you're responding to but >You're just paranoid and judgemental
The fuck? Why are you so bothered by anon's experiences? Most of the people you listed are your family, who you only see act a certain way around you. Your boss? How well do you know him to confidently say he's an empathetic man?
I am quite picky with the men I'm surround myself with and even among the genuinely nice ones, I only know a handful of truly empathetic men. That being said, the vast majority of men I meet that I could be friends with or associate myself with I choose not to because they don't act in a way that shows that they're empathetic. Only 1 of my male family members is close to being empathetic and the rest are extremely unempathetic and believe feelings are stupid. Of course, they don't represent every man. But I've found that the average man I interact with shows himself to be not as empathetic (if at all) as women generally are.
Point is, not everyone here is paranoid or necessarily judgemental.
I'm not particularly bothered, but between here and 4chan I've gotten tired of hearing>The opposite gender is evil subhuman filth with no capacity for love or empathy!
It's an equally retarded point of view whether it's an incel or a femcel presenting it.
I really wonder how many people here are 14 and never interact with people outside of here and /r8k/ and think those are a accurate representations of the average person.
Too many. Op is probably still mad that James said she had cooties and wouldn't let her try his juice box.
Or maybe that James didnt give up his bus seat for her.
Of course men have feelings, but tend to hide, or at least not show their emotions right away. Many were still raised with the idea that they had to be tough and strong, and only open up to close friends or girlfriends (and some don't open up at all).
If you frequent male oriented places on the internet, I can understand why you'd think men don't have emotions, or at least seem not to have them. But they do. If they don't, they have some problem like sociopathy (I can't rememeber if that's the right -pathy, but you know what I mean, that you lack basic human emotions).
Some women are not as emotional as the majority seems to be. So in the end it's not about gender, but individuals. My boyfriend isn't that emotional, but he can show lots of empathy sometimes. At the same time one of my male friends is extremely emotional, sensible and cares way too much about people. My dad would cry over little things.
tl;dr Of course they do, generally speaking, but it depends on the person.
I chose the wrong reaction pic. Oh well that one looks funny too.
The Mask You Live in is a great movie about male identity.
I was abused by my father but so were my brothers.
My father is pretty much the worst example of a man and my brothers are the best.
Of course they have feelings. But they are usually surpressed. Society sorta demands it from a man, other men demand it, even women often demand from men to be emotionally crippled, strong shells of themselves. It's a very complicated, very heart-breaking mess and both sides, men and women are losers
Adding to that…
Good men or even men who are in touch with their feelings exist but they are rare and the occasion to meet them on that personal, vulnerable level is even rarer.
You have to go through like a hundred dudes to find a real gem but they are out there, miners
Too much is always too much, nobody likes a crybaby, but men will open up about their feelings if you let them. In my experience it's all about how you receive and respond to them. You can shut a man up forever if you belittle his troubles no matter how small, because it probably took him lots of courage to open up. Making fun of it or telling him to man up is just going to make sure he will not open up another time.
OP isn't talking about their own feelings, most men will easily use you as an their personal diary if you show even a bit of kindness. Literally met a guy today and he started telling me about his anxiety and depression lol.
The thing is that they don't return that favour. They don't care about us or
>>15483>Literally met a guy today and he started telling me about his anxiety and depression lol.
I'm fine with it, it's kind of endearing and I'm interested in others. Just wish more men would also care. I only know one that ever has.
This guy isn't even an outlier. I befriended another classmate a month ago and in our first time messaging each other he told me all about his daddy issues. It's so ez to get most to open up.
Both guys are from a conservative culture too.
Where would they get the idea to care about other people's feelings if nobody ever cared about theirs?
>Do men even have feelings?
It’s tempting to hope so but no, not like we do. And not many that aren’t just anger and greed.
>>15495>anger and greed
Reminds me scene related. Greed and disgust.
>>15483>Literally met a guy today and he started telling me about his anxiety and depression lol>lol
Lol? If this is the kind of reaction they get from opening up no wonder they keep quiet about their feelings. I seriously hope this is a troll because god help that poor soul who has to deal with snake like you.
I've had boyfriends before but I'm glad to not have to put up with them anymore.>>15497
They're obviously not murderers but this is still closer to a regular guy's thoughts than some want to believe!
How do you know "a regular guy's thoughts"?
What's the difference between you and some r9k loser that proclaims to know all about regular women thoughts?
>>15500>How do you know "a regular guy's thoughts"?
Yes I am generalizing from personal experience but without some kind of generalizing there's no point in almost any discussion that doesn't specify a particular individual. This is from what guys have told me or I've seen them say when they talk openly without a filter. do you really not see or hear them?>What's the difference between you and some r9k loser that proclaims to know all about regular women thoughts?
Thank you anon.
My criticism wasn't on the fact that she's being misandrist on cc. I never said that she wasn't allowed to do that so don't strawman.
I just asked how she is any different from one of those knuckle draggers? Robots and femcels like her are secluded social retards who are so afraid of the opposite gender that they make up a boogeyman fantasy in their head>>15502
lmao yeah, every guy thinks just like Patrick Bateman. When guys watch American Psycho they don't think it's funny because of how bizarre Bateman acts, they actually think it's a good representation of themselves.
legbeards are just as shit as neckbeards
I already said I'm not a femcel. You're #notallmen trash is starting to shit up this thread. I sometimes wish we weren't all anon here so when you eventually get mistreated or your eyes are otherwise opened I could come in that thread and say how wrong you are, and he was an outlier, etc. Ask anyone here and if they're honest they'll tell you. We might exaggerate but there are plenty of negatives to men and you don't need to be bitter to see them.
CC being a female space doesn't free you from being called out for being a rotten person.
Sure being being a shit person also includes what you're doing. What if people are just venting to get it out of their system but you come in scolding "Don't disrespect my precious boys!" You could just not take it personally on their behalf and mentally exclude the guys you love so much.
I'm not even the person you were arguing with. Can't you see how much of a hypocrite you are?
Hypocrite how? Do you think I believe we have no flaws? We have plenty. But having more emotions than just anger and greed (yes I am exaggerating jesus christ) isn't one of them.
Why are you being so hostile to someone just for agreeing with OP? If you don't like this thread make one about how great guys are and their wealth of subtle emotions.
The point is that you can't see people as individuals. There are men and women that have no emotion. There are men and women that are evil. There are men and women that are wonderful.
I wouldn't make a thread about how great guys are because I don't believe ANY group of people are innately great just because they're born that way.
Gtfo low functioning autists who only think in black and white generalizations of billions of people
>>15513>he point is that you can't see people as individuals.
You can't read can you?>>15502>Yes I am generalizing from personal experience but without some kind of generalizing there's no point in almost any discussion that doesn't specify a particular individual.
Please explain how you can have a discussion about a group of people: men, women, Americans, Europeans, athletes, etc without saying meaningless words like "people are individuals and everyone is different.
Yeah no shit. Brilliant dedcution. Conversation over because we wouldn't want to hurt any feelings of the fucking lurkers, at least one of which is apparently experiencing the very tender emotions of masturbating to fucking text. He likes that because he knows we don't want him here. What a nice guy! Wouldn't want to say anything bad about him, he might read it and be sad!
You gtfo if you don't like hearing complaints about men.
The conversation never started because your generalizations are too black and white, like I said
You can still complain about men without your tard logic "huurrr duurrr men only know two emotions". You just have to think a little harder
>>15504>Robots and femcels like her are secluded social retards who are so afraid of the opposite gender that they make up a boogeyman fantasy in their head
Your post just reminded me of a leddit comment I came across earlier where a guy said the exact same things as some anons say here but with the genders switched around. About how women are incapable of the same love men feel, how women's feelings are fickle and different from men's feelings etc. Couldn't help but laugh because that's what some women think about men
I've never seen proof of a man actually being able to feel love.
It's always about ownership, status, and how they want to have multiple women at once. Clearly we experience it differently, I think men are incapable of devotion.
You'll hopefully experience it when you get a bf.
anyone can get a boyfriend but the real dream is a husbando by yourside at 90
I said it was exaggeration.>>15522>>15524
Brigaded again.I know there are plenty of differing opinions here and some don't like the negativity but this is too much.
AYRT I'm more inclined to your opinion as well, to be honest. That's why I found it funny that men say the same things about us that we say about them.
What if the dudes are misserable and just wanna kick the bucket all honorable and remembered?
>>15534>everyone who's ever risked or given their life to protect someone else isn't a hero they were just suicidal so you don't have to respect their sacrifice
Wow. I mean I guess I shouldn't be too surprised you'd see it that way, it is what I was claiming after all.
They also take the lives of women when most women would never do the same. It's known as femicide.
>>15537>> a woman is not likely to or would never kill a woman
>>15538>hurr durr I missed the point entirely
a woman doesn't kill a woman because of their gender in the same way men kill women because they're a woman
>>15539>>men kill women because they're a woman
>>15540>I have no valid points or arguments because I'm wrong, so I'll start gas lighting hurr durr
There's a reason there's 115 to 100 male to female ratio in china.
Because they don't understand us, think they're entitled to having power over us, and think that they're superior in every way.
to be fair Asian cultures are vastly more misogynistic, you can't just generalise from them
>>15545>you can't just generalise from them>Asian cultures are vastly more misogynistic
I'm not even part of this conversation but did you even think about what you wrote?
nothing contradictory about my sentence. Asian cultures are not representational of most world cultures
this>hurr durr all generalisations are wrong
meme needs to stop, obviously there are outliers but we are talking about in general
>>15545>It's not the men! It's the Asians!
That wrong and I wasn't even bringing up that point to make generalizations about all the men of the world or the western world, just a basic and well known fact to prove that females are in fact, killed by men for being female. Even outside of Asia femicide manifests itself differently, more in the way of direct killings of adults and teenagers, and I only brought up femicide as a counter point to>hurr durr my chivalry, all men are better people than women
we haven't even talked about domestic abuse or rape.
those statistic are irrelevant, nothing to do with women being killed because they are women
that is basically a list of highest murder rates.
If that were true then the ranks of each country would be identical to that of the overall highest murder rates in the world. they aren't, especially for countries like Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Estonia, etc.
This isn't a case of men killing women. It's a case of a catastrophically retarded one child policy and parents preferring sons to daughters.
>>15552>Killing women for not being men isn't killing women for being women
What…? Even if you want to blame the one child policy India has a similar situation with around 940 females per 1000 of males.
Women being killed for being women =/= men killing women.
I'm sure the mothers are just as invested in that shitty culture.
Oh. You make it sound like it's just men doing the killing and that women weren't aborting their daughters.
Do you really go through life thinking every bad thing that happens to you is just because you're a woman and that the bad thing needs a different name with fem in it?
If you get bit by a dog do you cry you got femauld?
>>15556>So what if you're killed for being born a girl? You can't blame that on misogyny.
This imageboard is lost.
I wonder how many Chinese mothers wished for/desired a daughter
>>15554>I'm sure the mothers are just as invested in that shitty culture>I'm sure
Just because it's convenient for you to believe that women had a choice in the decision doesn't mean that it's true. In those shitty societies it's the man that's supposed to lead the family, correct? In those shitty societies women don't get to make choices about their own bodies, in India women can't even claim rape against their spouse.
Okay so I think the point you're trying to make is that "female homicide rates in the top 25 countries don't coincide with the overall homicide rates in the the top 25 countries, and therefore the women in high femicide countries are being killed for being women". I'm not too good at putting it into words but I think I understand what you're saying. I'll try simplify it then apply it to the realistic setting we're dealing with.
You're saying countries A, B and C have the highest femicide rates, but the highest homicide rates are in countries D, E and F (some of D, E and F may coincide with A, B and C, but for the most part, it's different). This just means that countries D, E and F have a (much) higher male homicide rate than female homicide rate, since they'd need to kill far more men than women in those countries to surpass A, B and C.
In fact, this is what we see when looking at the 'homicide statistics by gender' page in Wikipedia. An overwhelming majority of countries(except Hong Kong, Iceland (an outlier since there was only 1 murder in the year given), Japan, Latvia, Korea, and probably a few others I missed) had higher than 50% male homicide rate, a lot were over 60, and it wasn't rare to see over 80. I know this isn't the most reliable way to gather data, but I don't really have the energy to filter through tables upon tables of data to argue with internet strangers, I'm just picking the most accessible one, if you find anything that contradicts what I'm saying then I'll gladly look, I apologize for being lazy.
So what does this mean? It could mean that, in general, many women are spared for being women, and in the countries where femicide is highest, the killers may be less likely to discriminate in favour of women. This is one interpretation of the data, and I know there are many, it could also be, as you said, that they're being killed for being women, so the statistics alone aren't enough to come to a decisive objective understanding of why women are being killed, all it says is that women are being killed, but not as many as there are men. I need to stress this point, because a lot of people think it's okay to just post statistics and data and not give any explanation for it, because it could come back to bite you in the ass if it turns out you misinterpreted the numbers.
I agree that for countries like China, they definitely are, in other third world countries too, I'm sure many women are killed that wouldn't be if they were men, simply because of how sexist their court system is. The only real cases in the western world where women are killed because they're women are the extreme ones like Elliot Rodgers and other such cases. With that said, I also feel like a lot of women are spared in a lot of potential homicides simply because they're women, especially in more western countries where there's still a lot of guys who are very against the notion of even hitting women, even in self defense (at least this is in my experience with various men in my life calling guys who hit girls "cowards"). I don't agree or disagree with you, I think I just wanted to clarify why you got a reply like >>15550
>>15562>More men get killed in certain countries so that must mean women are spared for being women
You're imagining killings as indiscriminate violence where people choose to kill men or women on the streets, when only a very small amount of homicides are. Men are killed more often because they're much much more likely to be involved in gang and drug related violence. Which is why the countries with chronically high amounts of men getting in killed in favor of women are countries specifically known for their catastrophic gang violence i.e Honduras, Nicaragua, Venezuela, etc. In contrast woman are mostly killed by their own romantic partners or their own family.
And she's not even the only one to say something like that ITT so far.
Like how can you go through life thinking>Why don't men have feelings? I swear they're just animals not even human.
And also>Some loser man opened up to me about his feelings once and I was disgusted why can't they learn to keep it to themselves
At the same time? Like how can you be so oblivious
I'm willing to bet 99% of userbase here is not from a country where they treat women like cattle. They wouldn't have internet access, and they wouldn't talk about it in such memey manner.
Sorry, the lol was more about the situation of anons here thinking men never opening up. Ill choice of expression in my case, oof.
and:>sharing vague info anonymously makes you a snake
Where did I say I was disgusted by it? Please do tell me.
Was it:>>15491>I'm fine with it, it's kind of endearing and I'm interested in others
So disgusted. Definitely told him to shut up irl. /s
I promised to always be there if he wants to talk. And I meant it.
>>15574>be happy you aren't treated like cattle and ask for nothing more
This thread is dead.
I'm happy that I live in a Western democratic country where I'm treated very fairly. As far as my gender goes I don't really know what else to ask for in Canada.
worrying about being killed because you are a woman is pretty silly tbh, it's suuuper low down on the list of "things people might kill me for".
If you're going to worry about that you should be worried about people killing you for all sorts of things from having blue eyes to liking anime or having a driving licence
Are you just pretending to be retarded? I hope so, because drawing parallels between your daily struggles and someone who's literally oppressed in third world countries is extremely offensive towards those poor souls. Yeah I'm sure there are issues that are exclusive to women that you and I both face, but there are also issues that are exclusive to men. Dear god I seriously hope you are just trolling, I refuse to believe someone out there is old enough to use imageboards but still thinks like a little child.
Quick question. What is the name of this board?
this is some high level hyperbole. men have to repress their feels at least in america or else they will be deemed effete and gay and crave cock in their anus. a male feel irl is restricited to stoicism in the work place. you can see a whole range of emotion from guys after they've had like a single drink. male feels usually turn out to be along the lines of "I feel like I could be doing more but I've been told I need certain accomplishments in order to do so" when pressed for details responses like "I'd love to manage a project or company but you can't do so without having previously done so" or "I want to earn an honest living but I can't get hired for a position I know I would excel at because the desired prerequisites are for someone who has lived and worked 60 years in the field" and then there's the sad feels.
males with sad feels are particularly extreme overstated existential dread like a living nightmare "I'm afraid I'll never live up to what my family and teachers expectations of me were. they say that they are happy to see me making my way but what if I never do thing or achieve thing or make thing." its like chill the fuck out. if you don't believe me go have brunch with any male in your life around your age. its like they repress all the time and freeze everything else out.
The really horrifying thought is maybe it's true and niether gender majority have a capacity for love of empathy. Maybe the only people who have that capacity are on boards like this or 4chan and complain about the lack of empathy.
While that is horrifying, the reality is that truly empathic people can see that they're not in the minority.
The majority of people have empathy, both men and women. A lot of people aren't as empathetic as they think they are though. Empathy is also just another human feeling and not a virtue in itself. Just because someone has empathy doesn't mean they always outwardly show it or act based on it. I'd say a lot of men are out of touch with or unconcerned with their empathetic feelings, but it doesn't mean they have none.
>once the roastie gets a taste of chad she will never settle for less!
i wonder if incels have ever considered that this maxim might apply to them too.
Of course they do. It's more of a society problem than a gender one.
As said above, they will tend to keep their feelings to themselves for (unfortunately good) reasons.
To be honest I'm pretty sure they wonder if women can stop being hysterical crazies for a couple minutes lol.
In the end we just understand men as bad as they understand us.
Wouldn't their inceldom preclude them from ever getting a taste of Stacy?
>>16150>women are hysterical>men commit most crimes, solve things with violence
Wew. Tearing up sure is worse than assault.
I don't think you got her point lol.
I did, that we don't see each other as full humans.
But it is funny that men see us as crazy when they are just as bad, if not worse.
Also namefagging is against the rules.
Sorry robot, if you're gonna post here you need to larp.
What? No. Just don't break the site rules. I'm happy to hear guys talk about their feelings and think op is retarded, but if you're gonna post here you gotta at least pretend to follow the rules.
There is not one thing in their post that indicates it's a guy. Just because someone doesn't think the same way as you doesn't mean they are male.
>>16203>And no behavior repulses women more than unconfidence.
Call me crazy, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this person knows as much about the opposite sex as op does.
not her, but the best friendships i have i've formed with females. i know it sounds silly, but i treat my close friendships almost like marriages.
Name ONE less attractive behavior trait in a man than un-confidence.
dont be gay bro
>if only females solved my personal insecurities for me!
I think I found another thing far more unattractive than a simple lack of confidence.
Insecure boys are cute.
>>15957>Maybe the only people who have that capacity are on boards like this or 4chan and complain
I think it's the opposite of that. People on places like 4chan are emotionally stunted and project their own flaws onto the wider world
>just look pretty and smile
Ignoring the fact that you think that the purpose of women is to act as a pretty trinket for men, which is at the very least boring, and at worst absolutely stupid. It's not that simple. You seem to view women as a sign of status, like a pretty ring or a rollex, but pretty little items don't build confidence, they compensate for the lack of it.
But that's just like, your opinion man. I've had a homely Korean dude give away his sit to me and my mom and stood someplace away.
You know the saying, 'Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus'.
Men live under the impression that they have to be strong, confident and macho alpha terminators to appease to women, so they are taught since childhood to not show their feelings. On one hand it sucks that they are like robots (no pun intended) but on the other hand imagine if you'd have to date a crying wimp like we are. I'd rather date a soulless macho alpha terminator.
I'd rather date a human being, not a human doing. What do you even do with a terminator? Debate the sustainability of tea plantations in India all day?
I'm not saying terminator is perfect but its a case of lesser of two evils. If you want to date someone emotional, try dating a girl and see how long you'll endure her emotional outbursts and mental instability.
And you're speaking from experience..?
A little self depreciation is fine but would you kindly not assume every single woman on and off Earth is a nutcase.
I never dated a girl but i tried dating an emotional guy. He was the silent depressed type of a guy and he did get intense mood swings compared to other men and it was sweet at first but eventually you just don't want to deal with it all the time, especially if you have mood swings of your own.
Found your problem.>men are comparable to women>mood swings are comparable to having emotions and externalizing them
Both false. The terminator you dream of? He wouldn't just have no mood swings. He would have close to no mood. Zero.
Best of luck managing your own swings.
I really can't tell if you're a man or not.
Regardless, you can take your robot. I would love nothing more than a partner who is overly sensitive and cries a lot. That's great, I love it.
ITT: Crystalcafe defends dumb males
this place used to be cool. when did people here turn into a bunch of normies?
We used to be able to have threads like this without "not all menz" liberals coming in and ruining our fun.
More like ITT: males defend themselves
A lot of women expect men to be some kind of emotional support while they have a boyfriend. In a way, they expect men to be their 2nd, asexual boyfriend.
Well of course you would expect a friend to provide you with emotional support, that's what friends are for.
This. As soon as I understood that guys are only emotional with their partners, all my platonic relationships got better. Although there is a risk of becoming "just one of the guys" forever.
Are female friends now my asexual gfs? I've always had an emotional relationship with my male best friend and we aren't attracted to each other at all. Confirmed. And another male friend who lets me know every time he cries.
That's…what close friendships are for, >>16550
You have some laughs but also confide deep shit with each other.>>16552>not having friendships with emotionally intelligent soft men
You're missing out.
Those guys are probably into you but won't say it.
No, my best friend is into women taller than him (he's two inches taller than me) and has blatantly stated he sees me as family lol. The other wants an edgy subby alt-gf (I dress very vintage-modest and am a domme).
Men are individuals just like women it turns out.
Well, I agree but a lot of times men are just afraid to make a move.
And sex is just important for men. its not the only thing but its important and validating. So if a guy has a fairly deep friendship with a girl but some random dude fucks her then in his mind, the dude gets "treated" better by the girl. thats just how it is.
It's not a problem for guys who have a lot of opportunities anyway and don't get jealous but thats a very small percentage. thats why gay guys always have a lot of girl friends
Are they the super autistic/nerd type? I noticed those types are less thirsty for women they know, IRONICALLY speaking, since they have more limited taste than more normalfag men.
In my experience nerdy guys are just polite/respecful/awkward and don't get in your face about their interest, not that they don't have it.
I don't think it's necessarily that he's treated better by her, I think it's moreso that, in their mind, the guy that fucks her "owns" her (at least somewhat). I was into a virgin guy but when he found out I wasn't a virgin he broke things off. I told him I regretted how I used to be, and he understood me and believed me, but the way he explained it to me was that he would never get to have me the same way I would have had him, and I agree to an extent, because I really did like the idea of getting to have him to myself.
Oh, they definitely are. I know for sure one uses imageboards and I suspect the other does as well. Although they don't appear like neckbeard-types physically at all.
You might be right that it makes taste very specific when you have so much time to yourself to reflect on what you like. My own taste in men is very strange and exact due to being the same way.>>16578
…that doesn't have much to do with friendship, though. Clearly if you were just friends and he stopped being friends because you weren't a virgin that would be shitty. But it's fine to have certain standards for relationships.
I've also always been supportive of virgin
men who want other virgins. It seems fair and I want the same hehe.
>>16578>>I don't think it's necessarily that he's treated better by her, I think it's moreso that, in their mind, the guy that fucks her "owns" her
I don’t think guys think about “ownership” over us, at least not in that way. I think the “treating a guy better” explanation fits the narrative of my experience more closely. I have had, on more than one occasion, a bf get salty with me because I did a particular sexual act one time with one guy that I didn’t even like that much but I was just doing it to keep him and I was young and
dumb but I don’t do it. And guys I’ve been with are then upset that I won’t do this act with them. And the universal response is “well you did it for the guy who treated you poorly and I treat you well, that’s messed up!” And I now only date guys who treat me well so it’s not even posturing. They ALREADY have me so it’s not ownership. They’re with me and the other guy is not. But it seems unjust to them that the bad guy gets the thing they want but refuse to be bad to get. Like if any of my bfs since that guy threatened to leave if I didn’t do this thing I totally would. But they’re not the type to do that. But they’re still jealous and salty that I don’t do that anymore. Blarg.
Honestly, if my boyfriend did something submissive for another women and refused to do it with me, I would be salty too. I don't think it's really about ownership, more how I see it is that "they didn't really love that person but did x thing for them anyway. They clearly love me more but won't do x for me, what's up with that" It gives your partner a weird cognitive dissonance. In the end, if you did that act and don't want to do it for a partner, it's better to just not bring it up and make them feel lesser.
Boomer men are so selfish, just hire the genz's and millenials allready!
You know every bf you've had gets angry when you tell them you won't let them fuck you in the ass when you let an ex do it, yet you still tell them you did it for a shitty ex with each new bf instead of just lying and saying you've never done it and don't want to.
Are you retarded?
Your bf probably just thinks that you liked your ex more and are just settling for him. Yea, I know, you say you live him, but you said that to your ex as well. How does he know that you love him more than your ex when you were willing to do more for your ex?
I'm a married and 27 year old normie and I still don't know. I think so but I do have to do a lot of emotional labor to get my husband to open up but because he was raised by a quiet and stoic dad he can be quiet and stoic too.
My dad is the same way. A very cold and quiet man who seems to have no feelings, ever, about anything. But when his father died his voice was cracking and his eyes became teary. He also nursed a bird back to health in his bathroom once when it was laying down in front of our door trying to get warmth during a storm.
It's confusing because they seem to have a hidden emotional world that rarely shows. They feel though.
>>16619>It's confusing because they seem to have a hidden emotional world that rarely shows.
I think that makes it special. It's always a really touching when my boyfriend or brothers or dad get emotional, in a way that I don't think it is when I am.
Oh, no he didn't stop being friends with me because I wasn't a potential partner, we were briefly bf/gf and when he found out i wasn't actually a virgin (probably my bad he thought this, I did insist, as a joke, that I was a virgin as well, because I thought he was joking about being a virgin) he broke up with me. He wanted to stay just friends but I loved him and he knew it would only cause me pain to talk to him. We decided to not talk to each other because it was what was best for me. >>16604
You're probably right, I think a lot of things come into play, and it depends on the guy too. I disagree with the other anons telling you to not bring up how you've done it before, if that feels deceitful to you then don't lie about your past, otherwise it's just going to eat at you. With that said, don't be surprised if they eventually leave you because of it, no one wants to feel like they're second best.
Yes. It varies, it's just that the pervs tend to be more vocal, and it's true for both chads and robots and everything in between.
Men don't really have a culture of showing emotion, it's often viewed as begging for attention or just being a lil' bitch. Even the soft guys often pretend to be assholes just because that's the social baseline. A man is never sure how his bros would react to softening up, they might turn out to be the same, or they might just be a bunch of yelling apes and think lowly of him.
Friendships are a huge thing, when men are friends it's to the point they can punch each other in the face but it's still eventually cool. Friends are particularly important BECAUSE men can't reliably open up to anyone else. It's just rarely said out loud, because that would be GAAAAAAY.
I'm a Slav and I can tell you even the tracksuit-clad squatters show emotion SOMETIMES, they're just very reluctant to do it.
>no matter what you think or say
I imagine even taking actions and dating/being there for your emotional crybaby male friends wouldn't count for you.
It's never enough because women don't know what we want unless it's dictated to us by men. We are also a hivemind and all share the same tastes and opinions.
If it comes up in conversation I’m not going to be deceitful about it. And how did you know it was anal?
What a stupid question. Questions like this are why men think women are empty in the head. Men don't like to share their feelings, especially with women (probably because they have stupid beliefs about their feelings like you seem to do). If you really want an eye-opener, look at the suicide rates for men.
>>17379>why men think women are empty in the head
No it's because they're assholes.
How can you say you love him if you don't eat his poop?
Why do all the girls itt caping for men ignore that op is talking about empathy
and not general emotions? It's in the first sentence ffs.
Empathy =/= expressing sensitive feelings like sadness and fear; op stated she knows
men feel those things. It just seems men care less about the pain of others, such as males being more inclined to commit violent crimes or caring less for victims of said crimes. Even in regards to each other (saying young male rape victims "scored" with a predatory teacher, etc.).
You're calling op a dumbass and you can't even read. Every other anon posting itt cannot read. You're all just punching a strawwoman, stop.
Maybe but I prefer sympathy over empathy. I know a few people good at empathy and psychology in general and they use it to hurt others, not with good intentions.
men are capable of empathy, yes
but not with how they're socialized, so effectively, no.
laffin' at everyone here confuzzled at whether op means "in reality" or in "alternate socialization universe".
Seriously, these whores.
>Oh yeah, I just sucked 20 dicks and I have relationship problems. Te he I wonder why
>>15289>Why do guys not open up with thier feelings?>guy opens up with thier feelings>Lol loser.
Men CAN have feelings, they just usually don't. The part of their brain that's supposed to elicit an emotional response to something is more often than not just missing or weak. A lot of guys push the "men are raised to hide/suppress their emotions" bs so they don't get looked at like monsters. If you spend enough time looking you can discern the tells that give away they're faking emotions for your sake.
>>19729>"men are raised to hide/suppress their emotions" is bs>posts evidence that men are raised to hide their emotions.
>>19730>posts evidence that men are raised to hide their emotions.
The pic. The Simpsons is a satire of American life, and the fact that that observation resonated enough to be funny and memorable is evidence that it has some truth to it.
>>19729>for your sake
what do you mean?
>>19733>comedian tells joke about women or something>he laughs>sees you didn't find it funny>stops laughing/pretends to be offended
or>sees video of person hit by a car>he finds it amusing>looks over at you>feigns being as horrified as he thinks you are
That kind of thing. >>19732>Source: A screenshot of a cartoon
Men are discouraged to show emotion mainly by other men, they did this to themselves.
You realize they do that with other men too, right? Everyone does that.
>>19735>tfw I'm a woman and I do that
What does this mean?>inb4 tranny
Yes I forgot I'm a biowoman so I have to be a perfect moral angel nvm.
I did say "that kind of thing".
Ah yes, the good old "You can't possibly understand the opposite gender because they all partake in some grand conspiracy to conceal their true nature." Love that one, especially when I hear it on 4chan about women. This is probably why people don't like you.
It's called "not being autistic". If you notice that someone else isn't having fun when you are, you stop laughing by yourself and try changing the subject to something you think the other person would find fun.
Most men I know would get offended if you stated that you didn't find their comedy videos funny, I wish men would do this.
What about the trope of "man has to go see romance movie or a play that he doesn't want to but has to because wife is forcing him".
You mean, "man is a good partner because he does things his partner enjoys even if he doesn't" trope?
Ideally the woman wouldn't force him to go to something she knows he hates, and the man wouldn't force the woman to watch a movie he knows she isn't into. Of course it would be nice of the partner to watch something they don't like to make the other happy.
>>19767>It's called "not being autistic". If you notice that someone else isn't having fun when you are, you stop laughing by yourself and try changing the subject to something you think the other person would find fun.>man is a good partner because he does things his partner enjoys even if he doesn't
So men have to put up with doing things they don't want to for a womans sake in order to be a "good man", but a man MUST notice if a woman isn't enjoying herself and immediately start doing something else because a woman should never have to not enjoy herself for someones elses sake.
Alright cool. Now lets all go back to ranting about how men are subhuman scum with no empathy for the opposite sex.
this post >>19767
is not mine, I wrote >>19771
You are being obtuse and sound like a man. There is a difference between
#1>offer first to do something with partner that you don't like but they do >to make them happy, you actively participate in it and pretend to not hate it for a while>everyone happy, you are happy because you got to see your partner happy and they are happy because their partner took an interest in their interests
#2>partner pulls you into doing something they know you don't like>they ignore your lack of reaction during the activity>gets butthurt if you complain>everyone unhappy, you are unhappy because you wasted time doing shit you don't care about for no reason and partner is unhappy because you didn't share their tastes
Men do #2 a lot.
a) It's a two way street, a good girlfriend does things for her boyfriend as much as he does for her.
b) It's so hard to tell who's arguing what side in this thread. Men aren't evil. Can we be done now k thanks great.
I was about to defend men, but then I realized I can't think of any situations where they've been "emotional" out of examples from my dad or ones I've known, unless they were homosexual. I've tested for and gotten a rating of high empathy and emotional intelligence so I don't know how much it's me that's the weird one or just them.
Omg it's just a 90 minute film, calm the fuck down you nasty scrote.
>>19736>>19784>men aren't emotional
What are you all talking about?
This is true passion :D
Altruism is a cognitive defect. Feeling sad because you see a pathetic piece of shit is fucking stupid.
Are you claiming not to care about anyone? If your parent or husband/wife got sick (assuming you are financially independent) would you just abandon them since it doesn't benefit you to stick around?
Good grief, anon. I'm not the biggest bleeding heart but see the special people in my life as pretty irreplaceable.
And even if you are a selfish hoe, feigning altruism does benefit you when it comes to social status. It appeals to the defects and society's false pretense of morality. So do shit to brag if you have big cash. If you commit a crime it can also take attention away from you if you're the community goodie.
Men are more emotional than women when it comes to getting angry and violent
Okay, I kind of respect you then in spite of your edginess. At least you're honest.
Not that you'd care about my opinion.
Why should a man care about you if you don't even care about yourself?
Yes. My bf is shy as fuck and i met him years ago before he actually had the courage to ask me out. He was more interested in my well being and showed more feelings towards me as a friend than many men show their girlfriends on daily basis, couldn't have been happier right now. He's also tall and handsome as hell but few years ago he couldn't even talk to girls due to anxiety. It's a miracle we even became friends.
I do realize shy good looking guys are VERY rare, but he was raised by single overprotective mother who sorta gave him that famous "girls are princesses and should be always respected" so he was scared of hurting them if he said something wrong. Can't wait to carry his babies.
>>19902>girls are princesses and should be always respected
The fact that you think this is a good thing makes me feel like this is a larp. That kind of "the opposite sex is not normal humans" attitude is pure autism whether it's op espousing it or a male. It's infamous, not famous.
>>19902assuming this is real
Please watch Utena with your BF.
It's hard for some guys to express their feelings to women as some guys may look like they have alot of experience with general interaction with women but don't so they don't know how to act / react to conversations or situations dealing with emotion this is not all men some are just generally apathetic most of the time but there are different circumstances for some men be it self loathing, worthship or pride that don't allow them to see anything that doesn't affect them. And with more bad stigma toward relationships and interactions between men and women in the past decade some men are just afraid to participate in any conversations that they may be blamed or be shamed for so they just give up.
That's just my opinion.
my byf is highly empathetic and amazing. he listens intently when i vent all my troubled feelings for an hour and he genuinely cares and tries his best to help me. this seems to be rare in guys though, everyone says ive gotten extremely lucky and i know this. he keeps it private but he actually is quite gender fluid and feels very isolated from other men a lot of the time
I said the exact opposite. His mom was overprotective and gave him crappy view about women because she herself had problems with his father who lost custoty over him pretty fast.
He was scared to talk to girls because he thought he may "insult" them somehow, OF COURSE its pure autism, thank god he got over it with my help, we talked trough internet a lot before we first met irl and i had to walk on eggshells at first not to increase his anxieties with IRL contact.
On obscure wow private server. He was in my guild and i'm rather social person so i decided to start conversation with the new guy, especially while others always went for your typical internet badass routine he was very down to earth and wasn't trying to show how cool he is, part of that certainly was his low self esteem.
>>15957>Maybe the only people who have that capacity are on boards like this or 4chan and complain about the lack of empathy.
Total opposite, in my experience with 4chan it's fill with anons who aren't empathic and think anyone who isn't perfect is awful and they blame others for their problems.
Sometimes it's also because they themselves have been damaged or mistreated by others who lack empathy to the point they themselves either see themselves and everyone else as trash.
I met a girl (my ex-boyfriend's cousin) who was raised by a single hardass toxic macho father who treated her like those toxic masculine fathers would treat their sons (plus the added sexism). The only time I saw her father they both had a back and forth argument and during that argument he referred to her as a "dumbass" and a "pussy" and it was the only time I ever heard a father talk to their daughter that way.
My ex also told me that his aunt suffered from post-partum depression, was suicidal and not mentally sound so she couldn't take care of her so they left her with her father. Said father also had a lot of women coming in and going into the house while she was growing up and she lacked a stable maternal figure. I think because of that she had a warped view about relationships, internal misogyny, and trouble interacting with both men and women. When we met she referred to me as a chick. Then when my ex took me to his family's thanksgiving reunion I was telling him about some of my personal problems(college life and my brother going through chemo) and got emotional about it. Well his cousin saw me and just flat out asked my him if I was "on the rag" like what the fuck.
She was also embarrassed of PDA and thought being sad was a sign of weakness and if she wanted to cry she would just hold it or excuse herself and leave. My ex even told me that when their Grandpa died almost everyone was crying but that she just got really uncomfortable and looked away from everyone.
What a mess of a human being.
When my grandpa died, i went to the bathroom to cry because i did not want the others to see.