Does anybody else hate their nationality? Anonymous 26777
I've always despised it, I hate everything about it: food, language (everybody hates it), customs, the people and even the traditional clothes (look way too slutty).
But the thing I hate them most is the way we look.
Yesterday I came across this by accident and frankly, it hurts me a lot. This is really how the vast majority of german men think.
People unironically use "you are so german!" as an insult when fighting. They are obsessed with foreign women, I can guarantee you, if you were to come here as a foreigner, they'd flock to you like there's no tomorrow. They're very vocal about prefering them too ("women from X are so much better").
And it seems as if nearly everybody shares that opinion - meanwhile the men are seen as very attractive by foreigners: tall, strong jaw line, etc. As an example, everybody was gushing about our soccer team - which of course only adds to their big ego.
The sad thing is, I completely fit the characteristics this guy described: I'm too tall, have a big nose, I'm shy, so I don't dress up, nor can I dance and I'm a very serious, no-fun person. Can't say anything about my dating life, because I never had a bf to begin with.
I actually do find some of the girls around me pretty, but if even they're considered ugly by international standards, then just how low am I?
I'm grateful for living in a safe 1st world country, but other than that, there's nothing nice about it. I'm so jealous of other people's cultures and appearances.
Is there a way to look more exotic, interesting, better?
Here's the link (no idea who asked that, but all replies are negative): https://www.quora.com/Why-are-so-many-German-girls-so-pretty
Judging from this Quora answer, German women sound cool as fuck. They don't exist to be seen as attractive by others.
Why do you want to appear more "exotic", "interesting", "better"? For male validation? If so, please reconsider your priorities in life.
>>26777>but if even they're considered ugly by international standards
theyre not. german women are considered attractive by non germans. sounds like german men are just self hating. probably something to do with white guilt over da joos
The goal of most people is to find a partner in their life. If you're too ugly for any men it's hard to achieve that + always getting called ugly is seriously damaging to your self esteem. There's nothing cool about feeling like shit and having to act tough and unbothered about it.
And it's not just about love either, in friendship most people prefer cute and friendly women too.>>26781
I've heard plenty of foreigners - male and female! - say the exact same thing as german men.
Just read the other replies (or the links to similar questions below), they're all the same: German guys = good and handsome, german women = bad and manly.
And they're definitely not self-hating, they quite like themselves lol
well Im an actual non-german and I can tell you people in england and other European countries find german woman very attractive. chekm8
The stereotype that German women are manly and blunt exists all over Europe. I wouldn't care much about it but it's true that many people think like OP says.
>stupid german women not having alot of partners and not buying new fashion clothing every day
Have you heard of that dating site BeautifulPeople.com? If you think you're beautiful, you can apply and then people will either vote you in or out. They released statistics on which countries fared the worst and the best and only 13% of german women were admitted, that's nearly the lowest rate world wide. That's pretty telling to me.
I know that it's just a stupid dating site, but probably the closest we will ever get to an international attractiveness study.
If somebody would continuously call all women (including you) in your country ugly, manish, rude…, then you wouldn't think of this as such a non-issue.
this is such a depressing post, makes me want to jump out the window. >I'm so jealous of other people's cultures
your culture is objectively the best in Europe, what the hell are you even talking about?
All of that is so shallow and it's not even true, the majority of German guys are together with German girls. Most of the things in that post are about attitude anyway, you are free to put on retarded high heels, blow your money in fashion and makeup and act like a cat in heat towards guys if you feel like it. Nothing is stopping you, so if you're not behaving like that it must be because you don't find it worth the effort for your own reasons.
I'm German and I'm much more bothered by the "hurr durr how are you liking your refugee crisis XD" bullshit every time I mention where I'm from. Who cares. Germans are blunt, yeah, but I prefer that to, let's say, Brits who can't open their mouth and say when something's wrong.
lol have you ever been to britain? we have no problem saying when something is wrong
Lived there for a few years, actually.
I found that in comparison to Germans
, British people have a very passive-aggressive or vague way of complaining. Germans are way more direct. That's where the "Germans are angry/rude" stereotype comes from.
british people are just more indifferent. if you actually try to argue with someone tho they will be very aggressive. especially working class people
I'm sure that's true, I'm just saying they're less blunt than Germans
>>26789>your culture is objectively the best in Europe
No?! how can you say that?
And no amount of good fashion, makeup and co. helps if your a butterfaced giant.
get really skinny
If you’re ugly you may become one of those “ugh how did she become a model????” models but who cares about what horny little boys think, let them fap to plastic stacies while you get rich and get to travel to cool places.
I'm too old for that, anon. Most models are russian and around 16.
As long as you try to be a friendly, positive person and put effort into how you look you will be fine.
Most of your problems sound like they could be fixed by working on your skills, mindset and taking care of your looks. But you just like to pity yourself and blame your shortcomings on your nationality instead of doing something. THAT is why people don't want to be your friend.
I bet you are pretty, it's just your low self esteem that makles you think you aren't good enough.
Even if we aren't that beautiful but why does it matter so much? Just focus on the things you can improve and your other qualities. Don't be one of those bitter germans that spend their whole time complaining about everything.
There is no reason to despair over something like this.
Even if you are tall, many do consider this attractive.
Some men do find larger noses beautiful as well.
The most important part of yourself is your inner being anyway, and I'm telling you that there are guys who think so as well.
Most of the drawbacks you imagine there to be are just in your head.
I bet you are actually quite pretty.
So, my final advice is: Just take it easy.
This. Come to America and you see 90% of the women literally exist to be attractive and sexual to men. They blow their money on expensive make up, Brazilian waxes, terrible fashion, all to look like a bimbo caricature. German women sound badass tbh. The only reason a lot of shitty guys might not find that attractive is because they're intimidated. "This women isn't acting like a blow-up doll for my pleasure? No!!!!"
Men don’t actually care about noses: this is a fake problem invented by magazines to sell rhinoplasties. If you want proof go to a male-centric imageboard and observe men lusting over Italian women athletes with Roman noses.
jokes you on, I live in southern germany
>>26811>This. Come to America and you see 90% of the women literally exist to be attractive and sexual to men.
Meanwhile 80% of Americans are overweight or even obese. Kind of a contradiction to your statement.
I don't think this can be accurate… isn't the German milkmaid with a big chest supposed to be like a classic male fantasy? It was even a one off joke in Scrubs.
Anyway if everyone in your culture is hated for your attitude doesn't that mean it would be really really easy to stand out just by being kind? Nobody can tell if you're German just from a glance and by the time they hear you, they can know you're warm and inviting, not rude.
Google 'tall poppy syndrome'.
It exists in Germany. Although like in most countries, it will mostly just be in your own head.
Men find pigs attractive so we can establish they aren't a hivemind
Let's put it this way, a large portion of men pay very close attention to women's noses, all the way from removing women of their femininity because of their nose to completely spazzing out about women's noses
I'm tired of handmaidens trying to promote the whole "oh men don't care about xyz only you women do" when seriously just communicating with other women can tell you it's far from the truthhttps://www.quora.com/My-boyfriend-wants-me-to-get-a-nose-job-What-should-I-dohttps://www.quora.com/My-boyfriend-wants-me-to-get-surgery-if-I-want-to-stay-with-him-Do-I-need-a-new-nosehttps://www.popsugar.com/love/Boyfriend-Wants-Me-Get-Nose-Job-20528520https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=543594&page=1
Seriously, start researching shit before you invalidate women's experiences, Google is free
Have you thought about looking for foreign bf?
Like, from a place where you be considered exotic and classy?
tfw no paki bf to seduce
NYART but those men are sociopaths, narcissists or have another mental illness, this is not the norm and men like that don't deserve attention. But that's just an excuse to shit on women with "pig" noses.
If op cares what German men and fellow Europeans like she's probably one of our resident /pol/fag anti-racemixing anons. Or is only attracted to white guys I guess.
But I absolutely agree, I've seen a wide range of white women with South Asian guys. They aren't all
manlets either assuming op prefers even taller men like most women. But if she is into short guys then she's in luck because many do happen to be tiny heh.
>>26832>If op cares what German men and fellow Europeans like she's probably one of our resident /pol/fag anti-racemixing anons.
Wew, that's a hard reach.
I care about what everyone
says, not just german/euro men. >>26829
I'm not the blonde, blue-eyed type who might be liked by foreigners, I'm pale and brunette.>>26825
Thanks anon. I know for sure that my features are considered unattractive, saying "that's not true!" is not much of a help.
And I know that my personality might be shitty, but changing that is close to impossible. Plus being nice has never stopped an ugly person from being disliked.
>>26838>I'm pale and brunette
Literally a subcategory for male "types".
I've been living in Germany for about two years now and it still shocks me how much Germans hate themselves and their country
I think Germans had to distance themselves from themselves in a way to cope with the war but they went overboard with it
It seems to me that Germans hate themselves in general. This can be seen in all aspects of their life : how they treat themselves (work work work), how they treat and consider their fellow countrywomen, their politics, and the list goes on.
This is probably why you get the "you are so german" and "foreign women are much better" comments. Not because it's some sort of defect to be a german woman, but because germans hate themselves (and their fellows) in general.
That's such a weird take. We Germans don't hate ourselves, we're especially proud of our cultural heritage, art, and community. We're just not proud of WW2.
I (not OP) personally don't hate it for historical reasons. I think that's a rather silly way of thinking. Should Russians feel guilty over Stalin? Brits over Churchill? Not really. I mainly hate, or rather, strongly dislike, the excessive directness and stubborn inflexibility present in German society. Technologically it could also be doing quite a bit better. Essentially, everything has to go according to procedure. There simply is no wiggle room. Socially, the three-tier education system is also rather silly and outdated, and not necessarily merit-testing. I understand, to a certain extent, as to why it's implemented: not everyone can just go to University, because here it's state-funded and taxes are high enough as is (which incidentally also disincentivizes entrepreneurship and thereby innovation), but it's still inferior and outright discriminating against children from lower-income households, and there is unfortunately a huge amount of elitism going on in German society regarding academia and having "credentials" (Germans are obsessed with having defined hierarchies and love yielding to experts). Germans are even elitist about their own language, to an extent I haven't been able to observe in other countries.
Many Germans are actually at least somewhat racist (although they will never openly admit to it), and implicitly believe that the "German" way is always better, and simply proper, so it's a tad ironic that OP wants to appear as more "exotic". Women from East or Southeast European countries seem to be preferred in large part because they are seen as poor, docile housewives to these men, so they are not even really considered as people in such situations. Looks are, or at least seem to be, only a secondary aspect, really. It's the perceived attitude of German women.
Also, when people, especially Germans themselves, say "you're so German", it's usually meant to poke fun at the overall meek attitude and rigid inflexible mentality present in many German people. It's not (always necessarily) about German people being viewed as inferior, at least from my experience.
>>26856>This is probably why you get the "you are so german" and "foreign women are much better" comments
This isn't really a German phenomenon. Men from most, if not all, countries say this about their own women while idealizing foreign women. It's the typical grass is greener mentality.
I can guarantee OP that there are foreign men out there who decry their countrywomen while thinking Germany has the most attractive women ever and she'd be their ideal wife. It's just complete nonsense no one has to pay any attention to. Because normal men don't hatefully stereotype their countrypeople like OP's pic-related poster does.
It's not just 'the grass is greener'.
A lot of the things OP states (apart from german women being ugly) are kind of true.
The thing OP doesn't realize though, is, that this has nothing to do with her at all.
Wew, this developed quite quickly into "Germans ackshually think they're superior, they're very prideful and also racist everybody!"…
>19th century and weren't helped by losing both wars the country started
Germany didn't start any wars in the 19th century. German Empire wasn't founded until 1871. Prussia won both major wars it declared in the 19th century, the AustroPrussian War and FrancoPrussian War.
…did you mean 20th century? Anonette don't critfail your history.
>>26777>I'm grateful for living in a safe 1st world country, but other than that, there's nothing nice about it.
So leave.>I'm so jealous of other people's cultures and appearances.
It's all the same.
Old buildings, shit music, bizarre make-believe rituals, ugly people just with different skin tones.
Another generic spoiled white 'ahh im so sad in my safe first world country ah i could solve this by leaving but woe is me' girl. You're even German, one of the most fetishized groups on the planet by men of color. Fucking walk to Turkey and get all the attention you need. Better yet walk into one of the migrant camps.
Goddamn I hate first world white girls. You have no idea how good you have it. You're even worse here in US. "ah im so ugly and boring" fuck off.
I may disagree with you anon (Germany seems cool and German woman sound badass) but I know the feel.
I’m from burgerland I hate knowing that I’m basically the butt of jokes everywhere. I’m simultaneously lumped into with the war loving gun fags AND the “snowflakes” on the Internet. Hell, just go on any board or YouTube comment section or verbose Quora answer and you’ll see some bundle of sticks talking about how fat/loud/unrefined Americans are and how [insert thing that’s weird anywhere] is obviously “just an American thing”.
There’s a reason why weeaboos became a thing and Americans larp as Canadians when they go overseas. The dumb obnoxious American shit is hard to shake and it’s awkward when someone gives you a critique about something you literally cannot change like your nationality.
>>26966>Another generic spoiled white 'ahh im so sad in my safe first world country ah i could solve this by leaving but woe is me' girl.>Goddamn I hate first world white girls. You have no idea how good you have it.
First of, how can you know whether I'm spoiled? Are you dumb enough to think that all Germans are magically well-off, live in picture-perfect families, have loving friends…? Secondly, like you even quoted, I literally said that I know
that I should be glad for being born here, that I am
>Fucking walk to Turkey and get all the attention you need. Better yet walk into one of the migrant camps.
Is this some "hurrdurr do you like getting raped by refugees"-shit?
Don't worry, no white girl would ever want anything to do with an asshole such as yourself either.
>>26862>Should Russians feel guilty over Stalin
Stalin was not russian, he was georgian.
Allso in my subjective opinion, not white.
According to that logic germans shouldn't feel sorry for hitler either, because he's austrian
Yes anon. You contributed to this thread so much with a single sentence response on the level of “lol learn to take a joke snowflake XD”
ask me how I know that you are british
No, but the way you accuse germans of inherting complexes is very common among british posters.
I love Germany, and I like the way the language sounds a lot. Berlin is one of my favourite cities and I've met a lot of cool people there (though I'm a bit of a club kid). The smaller towns are a bit boring and racist though, I stayed in Rostock for a couple months and visited Halle. The worst thing that happened to me was that a lady was super rude to me at Mcpaper.
>>27033I used to live in Berlin and live in Halle now! And I had a close friend in Rostock lol, what coincidence. Can confirm that the smaller the town, the more racist and backwards they get
>lol Germans hate themselves so much u guise
>actually we're proud of our cultural heritage as in poets, writers, artists, composers, rich history and architecture
>Germans are smug about militarism and hating others xD
Why were those posts deleted? What did they say?
Somebody accusing germans as a whole of having complexes
Not surprised they were deleted, it sounded like a /pol/ poster came here to sperg about Germany and world wars.
meh, wouldnt be the first time. This happens quite often on 4chn, might be that pole but who knows
No, hitler emphasised the germanic people, not the german people.
I have not deep knowledge about his ideology nor am very political intressted. So I may be wrong in this, but I think hitler saw the german people not as germans, but as germanic.
Correct, I think the austrians sould be blamed for hitler and not the germans. We live in a unjust world, where innocent people get the blame.
Through, most of Hitlers supporters lived in east prussia(as according to the election of March 1933). So I think they got what they "deserved"(I personlay dont think germany/nor ww2 was good and the redrawing of borders. Very sad and that most partys involved had flaws).
I hate mine.
Don't worry so much. Every nationality is shit.
>>26777>meanwhile the men are seen as very attractive by foreigners: tall, strong jaw line, etc
This is not true lmao
Where I'm from (eastern eu) a lot of people migrate to Germany and it's a common opinion here german men act like turbo autists and are pasty, wimpy, potato looking people. Not saying that's true at all but the stereotype of "handsome aryan man" is not prevalent here in the slightest.
Yeah, but it's not like eastern europeans see female germans in a better light either lol
Hey anon. I feel you.
I am a foreigner that has gone to German a few times, and met quite a few german guys that I noticed really were into me (they are not that good at hiding it). I attract more attention there than in my homecountry for sure. It can be flattering, however it also sucks sometimes. Sooner or later, you realize that you are some kind of le ethnic/exotic kink for men, and that feels like shit. They don't see you for you but for what you represent in their minds. Not all of them - but a lot. They might even think you are easy, just because you are a bit more nice and open to talk (even if that is just an aspect of your culture and applies to men aswell).
Anyway, just my two cents. I do notice that german women are less feminine but I think that is badass.
Now imagine being greek and all the greek guys lusting after and chasing after foreign women that come as tourists and spending the next several months posting pictures and stories on facebook and social media about how incredible they are and how all women chase them for "summer romances and how native women can't compete.
Now imagine living on a popular island, where this is a year-round phenomenon, with all the guys in your relatively small community being vapid manwhores that spend every summer in their teens and twenties having ONS with northern european women and then coming around and looking for native women to marry to appease their mommas that nag them about settling down and giving them grandchildren.
Funny. Men really are the same everywhere. You could replace "Greek" with probably most nationalities in the world and it would still be true.
I've heard about a similar behaviour among certain immigrant communities in my country and in more homogeneous countries as well. They manwhore around with foreign women or women not of their own ethnicity but expect to settle down with a native woman who should preferably be a sweet virgin because apparently that's just how it's done. Their lack of respect towards women is depressing.
Betting my ass they bitch and moan about how they're having trouble finding "pure" women to marry after being degenerates for most of their lives.
I don´t like venezuela, never have, my entire family is foreign to this country but i was born here and always struggled coming to terms with that. Would have much rather to be born and grow up in my family´s country.
Oh god, someone else from Venezuela. I'm in the same situation, although not all my family is foreign, my father's family is and many have left. But I'm still here, and every day that passes, I hate this country more and more.
If the German Empire never collapsed you would feel very different about your heritage and country. The world wars and cold wars destroyed your culture and created a sense of self-loathing. Its a shame really, other countries don't really have this problem apart from liberals who are over-socialized.
That's the dumbest thing I ever heard
>Nazism had its support base in Bavaria, the opposite end of the country from Prussia
>Hitler was Austrian and never served in the Prussian military (he fought in the BAVARIAN military!)
>The Prussian Junkers and old nobility/royalists hated Hitler and sought to block the Nazis at every turn during the Weimar Republic period (they wanted a restoration of the old Kingdom, NOT Nazism)
>Former Prussian war heroes and generals were not Nazis which is why they had to be purged
The only thing that the Prussian military
But wait, there's more. The German Empire was much more loosely confederated than other countries, each subordinate principality enjoyed tremendous amounts of freedom. It's possible that Anonette might not even identify as "German" but instead as "Hessian" or whatever.
Did they even teach you any German history in that Hauptschule?
Oops one of my lines got clipped in formatting>The only thing that the Prussian military had in common with Nazis is that the uncreative latecomers cribbed all their eagles (of course, wholesale stolen from the HRE, and by extension Rome)
books about german…
Funny you should ask, yes I have read several books about early 20th century Germany. Would you like to share some of your own collection with timestamp?
How tf do we stop the bavarians ?
>>28482>Nazism had its support base in Bavaria, the opposite end of the country from Prussia
Hitler tried a coup in Munich in 1923 and failed, even got imprisoned.
10 years later he went to Berlin and succeeded.
So yeah, evil Bavarians…
In contrast to the rest of Germany Bavaria is catholic - something Hitler hated. Many followers of the church tried to help people and were sent to camps too.
1. No one's saying all of Bavaria is full of evil people, just that it's silly to claim he was a successor to Prussia
2. In 1933 Hitler did not come to power by coup. Additionally, even though the Beer Hall Putsch was literally treason with the intent of violent overthrow of the republic, he got off with a slap-on-the-wrist judgment because he claimed he was a patriot and had a sympathetic Bavarian judge.
3. Baden-Württemberg is also Catholic. Also, being sent to a camp is not specific to being Catholic or Protestant, anyone reportedly disloyal was eligible for free camp vacation. Hitler was born into a Catholic family (unsurprising, as Austria is Catholic like Bavaria), but according to Speer, one of his closest confidants, he disapproved of all Christianity.
If you happen to be a Bavarian anonette, don't feel attacked. Bavaria has a great culture, beautiful countryside, and friendly people. I'm just pointing out it's absurd to connect Nazism to "Prussian militarism". You would have an easier time connecting the American Revolution to "British militarism", since you could at least say Washington was a former British officer.
You've got to love the shit-tier moderation of this place, when topic related posts get deleted, while off topic history circle jerking is tolerated.
Israel wouldn't exist without WW2
There is probably only one bavarian
poster here and it is me
Us in the rest of Europe might not have it well in that case, but fuck, it would be so much better, in multiple ways.
So yeah, fuck burgers, commies and Israel.
I feel like talking about Germany's national history is relevant to talking about someone's anxiety over their own culture. But, as a gesture of goodwill because we are better here in Diamond Diner than on other imageboards, I won't post about history anymore in this thread. Even if someone posts something dumb and wrong.
I'm from Luxembourg and I don't think I'd have chosen to be born anywhere else if I could!
Although, I'm not sure it's that great of a place either since I feel so alienated..
Are you the same Anon from >>28747
? If so, staying patient is the best advice I can give I guess. Maybe joining clubs or social groups could help?
venezuela is garbage, it has no redemption , the whole place should get nuked.
at least you're not from poland…
I am! Don't worry though, I just wanted to vent. I'll find someone eventually.