Has it happened to you?
Nope I’m a gigantic unfeminine amazon woman and guys will never find me attractive aside from some weirdos who do in a “step on me, mommy” kind of way and I’ll never be seen as cute and dainty so thanks for the reminder OP
>>38772>amazonian>wants to be found cute
Big oof there, but hey at least there's perks to being taller. Better to accept the flaws inherent to our lives than seethe and become depressed over our misfortunes for the remainder of such a shallow existence!
All women are cute, anon. If anything tall girls who are meek/feminine are uniquely endearing due to the contrast.
I'm not a man though, so perhaps my opinion is moot.
Massively triggered by the apostrophe in the girl's speech bubble
How would this make sense, it's supposed to indicate missing letters, ahhgg
I think there are guys who are more into gentle subtle femdom rather than outright "please inflict pain on me."
If you'd rather dominance not factor into it at all, though, you'll probably have to just look for guys who don't care about/aren't concerned with your height rather than guys who are attracted to you because of it.
You could also try and find a guy even
taller than you. Most tall women I see with a guy are with a guy still taller than they are.
… I-is 5’8 amazonian? Asking for a friend
Start learning Dutch, or dress childishly.
Educate me on how this is ""moid garbage"". I fail to see any 'moidness' in the pic
I'd love to be a tall woman. Even better if I could tower over many men. You have it easier to look lady-like, beautiful and cool at the same time if you present yourself in the right way. Models are all tall. Tall people have longer legs and lots of people value long legs.
You will never be seen as an "underdeveloped short girl". Why do you want to look cute and dainty if you're a grown-up adult? When you turn 35, you don't want to be shorter and dainty, you want to be tall and present a mature image.
I remember going to a wedding, wearing shoes with small heels, and it felt great to be a bit taller than some of the women there. There's a sort of confidence that can only come with tallness. Embrace it.
how can womanlets …
You may not be cute and dainty, but you can be beautiful and elegant.
Thanks for the reminder that females and males are only equals when they're children and that romantic attraction in adulthood requires a power imbalance that ultimately almost always falls in the man's favor.
The dominant/submissive dynamic exists across all of nature and facets of human interaction even outside romantic relationships.
Even teams of criminals who are the same gender with no romantic attraction will still fall into those roles. It's just the way animal brains are wired.
How do relationships favor the man? The man has to ask for things, and the woman decides if it happens or not. Unless he's literally using his size and strength to force you to do things, which is a crime and certainly not a representation of typical relationships.
If that bugs you you could always just be the one to ask the man out and plan the dates and decide what to do together. But I'm guessing you just don't want to do that.
I'm 5'5 and love tall girls with long legs. Problem is, most women who are 5'8+ won't even look in my direction. I have no issues dating girls around my height and get told I'm attractive but because I'm short, I'll never get to experience the bliss of death by Snu Snu.
Just force yourself to be lesbian or only date short men. Unless you're below average female height like me and it's hard to find a man even shorter than you….
>>38871>implying 5’8 is snu snu-tier compared to 5’5
>>38869>The man has to ask for things, and the woman decides if it happens or not.
You sound like an incel. Relationships are a lot more than sex.
Depends on if one girl is buff and the other is pretty thin, then the strength diff would allow it.
I was talking about relationships though.
and that's why you'll never have a healthy relationship– it's about mutual support, love and literally just caring about eachother
>Has it happened to you?
yes feels good
why do i have to remember that lady fucking bug and fag noir exist?
Ahhh she's beautiful, I aim to be the Asian version of this
Nah, think I’ll continue with trying to kill myself and then bitching out at the last minute, thanks tho
What steps do you take to appear cute?
I used to wear cutesy kinds of clothes but it just made me look even more weird than I already do. I lost a shit ton of weight so I would look less “imposing” and “domineering” as a lot of people have said. I’m about ten pounds underweight for my height (I’m 5’9.5 and fluctuate between 115-110) but I make sure to get all my nutrients in so I don’t impact my health too badly. I’ve tried to be more giggley and cutesy personality-wise because that’s what feels most natural for me but everyone just makes fun of me for it because my body doesn’t match so I just kind of avoid speaking lately.
>>39455>I lost a shit ton of weight so I would look less “imposing” and “domineering” as a lot of people have said.
I say you go the other direction and gain it back and also start working out, so that when you wear cute clothes the contrast/juxtaposition makes it extra cute.
>>38772>im a giagantic unfeminine amazon
so like every fashion super model?
>>39455>5'9>110 is normal>tfw 5'2 and 135
stop trying to be ana, and take the quirky pill
Being slim would actually cause the opposite intended effect to happen, anon. It's usually when you have a "softer" appearance that people will feel more safe around you. I take it you don't get hungry often?
That's not amazonian, you're just a taller than average woman. You need to at least break 5'10 to be taller than half the guys you meet, though in my book, Amazonian doesn't start until you hit the 6' mark. Womanlets I swear.
This. She's not taller than the average man
The average male where I live is 5’8 so I am a little taller than most. Others, I either tower over or if I’m lucky I’m not taller but I’m not significantly shorter either.
Oh, that's a shame then. A lot of guys don't have the confidence to date up in height, even by a little bit.
In general there's still a big societal stigma of taller women seen as unfeminine/shorter men seen as unmasculine, causing them to avoid each other out of fear of rejection or ridicule or whatever.
Hell, Tom Cruise is 5'7" and, despite being fucking Tom Cruise, Hollywood has still had him stand on a box or otherwise alter his height when filming some of his movies so that he'd be taller than his love interest when standing next to her, because god forbid the woman be the taller member of any couple.
It's pretty sad that despite this whole culture of inclusiveness and body positivity and such, ingrained stigmas like that still slip through the cracks because everyone sees them as normal.
The only reason guys are intimidated by women taller than them is because society drills into their heads that the man must be the taller one, which forces the few women who hit the neighborhood of 6'6" to have to look for 7' freak of nature guys just so they can "feel feminine."
What an ingeniously evil way to keep the freaks from breeding!
That is still most men, and studies don't account for liars anyway. Many likely think it's okay in theory but won't date taller when faced with reality.
>no tall gf to slowly crush me with her big thighs
Maybe, but that doesn't actually seem important if the idea is that media portrayals of tall/short couples could help tall women be happy with themselves and feel like loving relationships will be possible for them without asteroid-strike level improbable special circumstances. Wanting the media to change men's perception of the match would only be important if the idea was to help men love themselves, which isn't really necessary.
It also seems redundant, since all the short male tall female couples in fiction that I know of occur in male-targeted media. Like Mario/Peach, Link/Zelda, and Wolverine/Every Woman In Marvel Comics, as well as examples from forgettable shounen. Two of those top of my head pairs are media flagships. I do not think I can name any taller woman shorter male couples in shoujo manga or other media that don't have reason to prioritize male audiences.
Men know women won't date shorter men so don't think it's an option. And this is obviously true for 90% at least, don't be silly.
What makes you think this isn't a result of affinity? People can have an affinity for specific height interactions just like with other physical or social interactions.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S019188691530060X
"The effect dissipated after 18 years of marriage" would indicate that the dissipation is explained by survivorship, since Muslim countries have always practiced divorce, Indonesia has 400,000 divorces per year, and marital unhappiness is linked to divorce.
I can understand being critical of how society and the media portray relationships but after a certain point this turns into just judging women for wanting to be happy.
people are shallowhttps://psycnet.apa.org/record/2001-05217-001
Kampe, K. K. W., Frith, C. D., Dolan, R. J., & Frith, U. (2001). Reward value of attractiveness and gaze. Nature, 413(6856), 589–590.https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1475-6811.2010.01278.x
GREITEMEYER, T. (2010). Effects of reciprocity on attraction: The role of a partner’s physical attractiveness. Personal Relationships, 17(2), 317–330.
I feel like tall women liking short men isn't uncommon at all. It feel great looking down on a cute boy and being able to completely envelope him with my longer limbs
>>39691>That is still most men
It's still nowhere close to his overwhelming a majority as the 96% of women who said they wouldn't date a shorter man.
>and studies don't account for liars anyway.
An excellent point, which means the 96% of women who said they wouldn't date a shorter man no matter what is probably closer to 98% or 99%.
Now that you've established this, you're obligated to date only short guys from now on to make up for all the women who don't want them.
better a murderer …
No thanks I'd rather take a nice murderer child molester.
Haha but seriously though notice how that last sentence says SOME of the women would take the short men if the tall ones were all murderers or child molesters. That means some of the women would STILL rather take the tall child molester murderers over short millionaire doctors.
No it doesn't. It means that ABC News asked the respondents what it would take for them to pick the shorter ones, as a blank, free space, and some of them volunteered that the others would need to be child molesters and murderers, as a spur of the moment response.
And doesn't that just mean the ones that didn't answer would not date the short ones no matter what?
They were offered a blank slate and asked what it would take to make them choose the short ones, and they had nothing to put in it.
>>39701>I do not think I can name any taller woman shorter male couples in shoujo manga or other media that don't have reason to prioritize male audiences
Pic related though…
Anyway, my argument wasn't that "most women actually want to date manlets," but that for those who do it's still hard. Being the 4% doesn't mean it will be easy to pick them up (figuratively).>>39717>>39742
Again, why bring up female numbers when I'm just saying dating shorter men is a difficult task? I guess I was unclear with my point, sorry about that.
But especially for women who may be socially awkward (which is likely given where we are), it's a rough go.
So, just giving a warning from experience to not pursue shorter guys with hubris. People are very unpredictable. I've gone into dating relying on a lot of numbers and hypotheses that anons post about online, but there are so many social intricacies that will take you by surprise. You can't expect someone to like you just because statistics and some shut-in on /r9k/ said they would; you actually have to connect.
If nothing else I hope my bad dating experiences can help some other spergy miner not get as hurt, anyway.
It's your chance to become the dream woman for short men, a rare woman who's aware of their plight, and you still sperg about what other women do or don't do. Just say you're actually a salty moid and go!
>>39754>Anyway, my argument wasn't that "most women actually want to date manlets," but that for those who do it's still hard. Being the 4% doesn't mean it will be easy to pick them up (figuratively).
I do see your point. My intended one, which I didn't express well, was actually more about the 96%'s portion of taller women rather than the 4%. The evidence of my eyes is that nearly everyone including men look at tall women with awe, not resentment, but the evidence of my ears is that tall women feel resented. If you walk around with the idea that every man shorter than you resents you for being tall rather than acting weird because their feelings might be closer to awe, and that when shorter men try to flirt that it's socially degrading and humiliating because such a relationship is publicly unacceptable, and everyone in your peer group and your own cultural group reinforce the idea that having someone shorter than you who thinks he could be your partner means you are less valuable rather than more loveable since otherwise someone short wouldn't think he'd have a chance with you, then life is going to be a huge negative feedback loop. Attention from almost everyone you meet will be seem like an insult or an attack, including the constant sense that other women see you as 'other' and can only imagine you in a relationship with someone they themselves would see as an undateable goblin, which gets reinforced by the way that people always ask tall girls who complain about loneliness "would you consider dating someone shorter than you?" but would never ask the same question to a woman of 5'3" to 5'7".
The 4% would be relatively happy, even if they never actually got with one of the 23% of men, because they aren't living in that nightmare world where even people liking you is a devaluation. The 96% portion of tall women still have a clear social and cultural benefit if those 4% were not consistently depicted as freaks.
So, my idea was that media depicting relationships in which the woman is taller and the man is shorter could stand to be made in which the woman is not actually particularly tall. 5'6" women with 5'3" boyfriends, like the Zelda/Link ship I mentioned. "Would you ever consider dating a man shorter than you" should be as serious a question for average women as for volleyball players. If you're a serious manlet-fancier and proud 4%er that might sound downright threatening, imagining women shorter than you getting all the hobbits, but I don't think it would change anyone's preferences, it would just free a few taller women from a completely unwarranted shame.
No him but it was 4% of women versus 23% of men. So there's more than 5 men for every woman willing to be in a relationship with a shorter man.
>>39762>people always ask tall girls who complain about loneliness "would you consider dating someone shorter than you?" but would never ask the same question to a woman of 5'3" to 5'7".
A 1000 times this. When a tall woman is single, people always assume it's because she must have rejected all men who are shorter than her, there supposedly can never be any other reason. It's so guilttrippy, they never take into account that tall women maybe actually aren't even getting hit on by short men and they'd never ask the same question to a single woman of normal height.
Even the shortest men are still taller than short women, so for them it's easy to claim that they wouldn't really have a problem with dating somebody who's "short". Not sure whether I should laugh or cry when yet another 5ft girl dating a 6ft dude basically scolds me for not being into a guy who's 5'5 - of course she doesnt see this as that bad, afterall he'd still be a lot taller than her, but for me it would mean getting stared at wherever we'd go as a couple.
I also hate that normal sized people always say that being e.g. 5'11 as a woman isn't even a big deal - that's 8 inches above the average height, would you tell a man who's 8 inches less than average height, meaning 5'2, to also "just get over it"???>>39697
People like you are part of the problem: in this thread tall women complain about how much they suffer because of their height, starving in a desperate attempt to be at least small in some way is super common, yet you think commenting what once again enforces the idea that tall women are ginormous, with superhuman strength, a physical threat to normal women, is a good idea? We don't want to fulfill weirdos' amazonian fantasy, we just want to be normal girls who can be cute, beautiful, loveable and not just badass and strong. I was 5'10 when I was just 12, I never got to be an innocent girl, for me the only options are either trying to be uncomfortably sexy or getting treated like a massive ogre. Short girls also always claim that we have an easier time looking slim, but while when you gain weight you're just chubby, when one of us gains weight we immediately transform in a monster. Do you know how much it hurts to be a teen girl and have people call you a man? I know that I don't look like one, but nevertheless guys and short to average girls apparently think this is a fun thing to do.
I was 5'9 when I was 11, having people treat you like a man or an adult for something you have no control over hurts
>>39769>>39770>society doesnt confirm my appearance constantly
oh boo hoo
>>39769>would you tell a man who's 8 inches less than average height, meaning 5'2, to also "just get over it"???
If you go to normal, male-dominated imageboards you'll see that normal people tell them exactly that, all the time. And accuse them of being mentally ill, Napoleon-complexed freaks if this insult does not immediately cause them to fix themselves and erase a lifetime of negative social experiences based on height. I'm >>39762
and I do agree with and sympathize with what you're saying, you're just taking it a little too far when you say things like that.
It's more like society criticizes their appearances constantly, considering being called manly is not flattering to most women, let along girls. Have some empathy.
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you act like you wanted to get into this lame society's pants
I don't care about being constantly told I'm sexy or valid uwu or whatever, I just want to be treated like other shorter girls and not an amazon/uwu step on me mummy domme
Most people do. I'm not ashamed of it.
Turning yourself into Eugenia Cooney isn't helping. You need to realise that being seen as cute isn't exclusive to being small. Being nice and polite will help you regardless of your height. It's less about how much you want to be something you can never become, but more about how everyone perceives you. Seething about being a giant won't help. All its going to do is drive people away.
I have anxiety and have a frail constitution, when people go oooh at my long legs I just pretend to be flattered. Sure being cute isn't dependent on height but I'll always attract the uwu step on me mommy types
Not if you make yourself less frightening and imposing. You have to remember how visual cues work on this planet. How do you make yourself appear softer and lighter while maintaining your height? Being skeletal is not the solution.
Honestly you'd be surprised, having large breasts doesn't help either >>39802
I don't know how to present like that honestly
I just told you. I've been telling you. All you have to do is:>gain weight back to appear at the very least soft but not to the point of causing health defects (consult bmi if you want something more concrete than looking in the mirror)>wear more colorful and friendly clothing that gives off the image of niceness (if you have been to /cgl/ or /fa/ you will know what I mean)>and finally you have to adopt an attitude of someone who is seeking to make friends (if you want to appear as less assertive it is paramount that you act less assertive)
Like it’s at all fair society constantly confirms short girls appearances. Like in OP. How can you expect us not to feel bad about ourselves cause of it?
Models are tall af and OP pic is entirely about manlets having no chance if they stay manlets lmao.
the joke is that she doesn't like him until he's taller. he literally likes her when she's taller. lmaooo come on
Like anybody gives a shit about models anymore, unless they’re Instagram models and Instagram models typically aren’t tall
>>39831>the good ol' "models are tall too"-argument
And what kind of man would date a model? The average model is a poor anorexic russian 15yo, that's not what dudes fantasize about and that's not what the average tall woman looks like. Maybe guys jerk it once to some VS model but that's only because they are slim and wear nice underwear, not because of their tallness (and again, the average tall women doesn't resemble a VS model at all!). So many models are dating total bridge trolls because normal to handsome men all want shorter cuter women and if 10/10 tall women like pic related have to settle for neckbeards then what about us not super gorgeous tall women…
That seems like a cherry picked example. I'm sure plenty of model or model-esque women date equivalently attractive men.
When they do its because their boyfriend is a billionaire. Like how Miranda Kerr dated an obese Malaysian billionaire.
>>39831>>39833>implying this wasn’t drawn by a man who fetishizes shorter girls
Look at the artist's signature in the bottom left of the image. No way that's a man's signature.
As if the art style and subject matter of the image weren't clearly female enough.
10/10 tall women having to settle for the heirs of billionaires and ceos
Dude is working a low wage job in a kitchen.
theres like a 3 inch height difference
adrien is a twink manlet and in the show he barely notices marinette, and marinette is a creepy obsessed stalker whos like 2 steps away from murdering him
you could just you know, dress in things you think look cute?
The whole model conversation keeps reminding me why these conversations are always so awful.
5'10"anon has explained multiple times what her reasons are for feeling the way she does:>I was 5'10 when I was just 12, I never got to be an innocent girl, for me the only options are either trying to be uncomfortably sexy or getting treated like a massive ogre
It's that loss and that premature initiation into adulthood, including adult sexuality, that actually hurts. It's not really about whether men still treat her as sexy when she tries to be uncomfortably sexy years later. You can't just expect her to get over the horrifying similarity between how men sexually approach her now and how they sexualized her when she was a goddamned 11 year old child. We have had threads and threads of other women talking about their feelings and the negative impact of premature initiation into sexual behavior, including grooming and harassment, but 5'10"anon keeps finding that even in anonymous online spaces where her height isn't an immediately arresting visual factor, people still expect her to be and to have always been more adult than other people, to "just get over it" when nobody says that to other women who have similar complaints about being robbed of the opportunity to grow into their sexuality at their own pace.
But when taller women try to explain the adult impact of that, for some reason they keep coming around to who/what/how/why questions regarding boyfriends and relationships, which are not at all the issue. A huge part of that is responding to others and other people who keep arguing that being uncomfortably sexy should have turned into being comfortably sexy in adulthood, without considering that maybe having the normal transition to adulthood was part of their own transformation from angst to sexually comfortable. But it's not just an "every short woman just doesn't get it" problem. One of the tallest women I knew IRL would always joke about how "God made me tall to make sure I'd never get a boyfriend" while actually having some very attractive, athletic boyfriends; she kept that joke up even after getting married. This devaluation of every relationship tall women are in or might get comes off as petty and patronizing. Even as self-deprecation it comes across like you don't really value other people. It might come from that place of feeling that childhood like a phantom limb. It might come from identifying as the immature party and the child forced to act as an adult. But trying to talk through the perspective of that hurt child comes across as thinking that the other party is childish, which comes across as condescending and acting like you're the more mature adult.>>39841>>39894
I don't know who these people are. Maybe he has a nice dick and makes her laugh and takes care of her when she's under the weather, and maybe she stopped caring about how ugly and poor her partner might be after having experienced much better looking men and also finding her bank account has enough digits to hit the limits of the happiness that money brings. He's also nearly a head taller than her if you account for the shoulder stoop. It's possible that it's something unhealthy, he is a huge ugly ogre and knowing that would free her from ever feeling like a "massive ogre" as described earlier when they're together, which would mean their relationship is founded on self-loathing rather than love, but it isn't necessarily true. And if a woman is self-loathing enough to date an ogre just to hate herself slightly less when he's around then it does not seem possible or likely that she would look for the best in any partner, ever. I don't know their story at all, but I don't see why she couldn't be with him because she likes him instead of because she dislikes herself and couldn't get with anyone she actually likes.
I wish people could be as empathetic to her struggles as they are when a woman with big boobs talks about how awful it is that she starts being seen as sexy and mature while still being a child. It's the same shit.
Is the "massive ogre" supposed to be miserable? For different reasons, I never cared for my appearance early in my life, but I never was really upset about it. I still talked and made friends.
I've been 5'8 since I was 10, this thread is so weird. Its such a weird, isolating, experience that has left me feeling all fucked up about my body for forever now. Literally cursed lmao.
bruh I zoomed up to 5ft 5 before I was 11 and stayed there, not as dramatic as yours but mogging even the guys in elementary was something. Plus I was a fat kid, should have bullied kids. I am not pretending that I know what you have been through regardless.
Must have been weird to be taller than most people ever get before you were 10, but it’s better than having been a midget.
Just so that I understand that right as a dumb ESLfag, do you mean that being treated like an adult and being expected to act more mature at a too young age resulted in tall anons feeling uncomfortable with being seen as sexy, resulting in them being so obsessed with wanting to be small and cute instead?
>know how to cook, clean, do laundry/dishes by myself
Gee whiz, do you know how to go potty all by yourself as well?
What a catch you are!
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>meet guy at uni
>few months pass
>get to talk to him all alone
>I always walk a three or four steps in front of anyone I'm with because I'm impatient and unpolite
>sit in a bench for an hour talking
>our next class is in 10 minutes
>get up and go next to the uni building
>stand up next to him
>mfw he's 20cm aprox taller than me
He looks to the ground to talk to me, I'm so embarrassed some times I can't look at him at all because it looks like… >_< So I just look at any other direction in a rude manner.
I have switched schools so many times that I was forced to learn how to interact with / befriend normie people. You will get the gist of things with more experience.
Smalltalk is there to find the "egdes" of a person, what makes their p e r s o n a l i t y different from other people. Certain hobbies or interests, dress styles even. Once you have found something like that you ask and listen. Follow up with relevant questions and tell them something about yourself that fits the conversation. Dont fake interest and be honest but not dismissive or rude.
Some people cant really talk to each other, that is ok.
Different men want different things in women, otherwise porn would be 1 category only. Stupid example but I think you get what I am trying to say.
models are just too skinny and wear what gay men in the fashion industry tell them to wear.
Doesn't mean they aren't hot, you salty, stubby womanlet cuntrag
No but I wish.
Sometimes I think that I don't even really dislike my height that much, being tall does look good, but I hate that most attractive guys aren't tall(er). I feel like there are more guys with cute faces who are short to average, while really tall guys are usually ugly. When I think back to my old classmates, now the guys at work and also celebrities, the most handsome ones with fine features are nearly always shorties, tall cuties are so rare, it's like their skull and bone structure just get's weird after like 175cm.
You ever think maybe it's your perspective and not their face?
>tfw no one wanted to dance with me at my year 7 formal because I was a gangly freak and towered over all the boys
>tfw I didn't stop growing and started developing a thicker frame and muscles
The only people that outgrew me from childhood were my brothers. My crushes just got to see me become fatter, thicker and more masculine. Ultimately I didn't have my first boyfriend until I was 24.
height comparison with his gf
At least you've got the confidence to keep trying for love. Any luck recently?
>>38772>Somebody isn't trying hard enough
Nonsense all women can look dainty and cute as long as they have a figure
You'll be surprised to see the men on 4chan drool at the sight of pic related
>>42548>men drool at a woman who looks like a literal goddess and who is obviously making a sexual advance on them
this is unprecedented and surprising information thank you
I think that's what she means, anon. You know, shave the legs, shampoo the hair. People who go on about how their body is "not enough" tend to take the worse care of themselves.
You're perfect the way you are, in the modern age there is no reason for women to be smaller than men. In the past food was scarce and there were often famines, which selected for women with lower metabolisms, e.g. smaller bodies, so that we could store more calories as fat to be used for the successful gestation of children. But today there is more than enough food for everyone, there is no danger of famine, and therefore there is no reason for us to be a different size than men.
Keep in mind that our own preferences regarding what we find sexually attractive in men are an implicit admission that being larger and stronger is a good thing if there is no constraint of having to successfully gestate children. But that constraint is gone in the 21st century, since there is more than enough food for everyone, so there is no reason why being larger and stronger shouldn't be universally seen as a good thing for both men and women.
To put it succinctly, if we do not believe that women are inferior at tasks not related to bearing and raising children, then why don't we prefer feminine men? But we don't prefer feminine men, so why should we prefer to be feminine when we aren't constrained by the caloric scarcity of the past? Wouldn't it be a good thing if women became more masculine, larger and stronger?
>>42556>shave the legs, shampoo the hair
Maybe not even that. Don't forget that Tomoko is incredibly popular in such places as well. Obviously 2D characters have an advantage by default, but the fact remains that literally every trait has people who are attracted to it.