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Anonymous 51183

I don't know how to feel about the fact that most men growing up now consume porn to some degree.

Anonymous 51189

Does it impact their sexual behavior, I wonder?

Anonymous 51197

>>51183
It's dangerous for everybody and without a doubt is a weapon of cultural and psychological warfare.

Porn numbs men's empathy toward women, it conditions women to be treated as objects, and it sexualizes and profiteers off of the degradation of human sexual and romantic relationships.

I won't specify which group I think is doing this but I think Israel's occupation of Ramala in 2003, of locking people in their homes and broadcasting pornography on all TV stations is telling of it's use as a weapon of war.

>>51184

When they're young, no. But it's up to each adult to break any bad cycle that they're in.

>>51189
It would have to, necessarily. it introduces younger people to more and more… unusual sex acts and presents them as acceptable

Anonymous 51202

Not more harmful than consuming romance media is to women. Imagine how much easier life would be if you weren't indoctrinated to want men and treat yourself as a sexual commodity to earn their approval all your life.

Anonymous 51204

>>51189
obviously yes.

Anonymous 51217

a cute guy in one of my classes is being mercilessly bullied by his friends ever since he admitted he doesn't watch porn. I think it's really cute for guys today to refrain from porn, and while I'd never say it publicly, in my opinion speaks to a superior character.

Anonymous 51221

>>51183
My bf was a massive coomer (I saw some of his folders, it was hardcore stuff) but quit porn right away when I said that I wanted him to

I think a lot of men just do it because it’s so normalized

Anonymous 51224

>>51221
porn can be hard to quit outright even if you give a man sex and all that because it can become addictive, but at the end of the day finding a real woman is one of the strongest reasons most men who do quit end up doing it.

Anonymous 51354

I think this site fixates on porn a little too much. Plenty of people today grow up eating junk food, using social media constantly, and doing any number of other unhealthy behaviors. But only porn is treated as this big a deal.
Like I'm not saying it's good to watch porn, but I don't think it's actually any more harmful than the social media addictions so many people have.

Anonymous 51355

Women should reinforce that they won't date men that watch porn and that and stick to it.

Anonymous 51357

>>51355
We should hold men to much higher standards on everything, fitness, food, morality, but by the same token we should be held by equally high standards. Not for any moral reason just cause that's the best way for us both to be better is to hold romantic/physical/platonic intimacy hostage.

Anonymous 51358

What's wrong with porn?

Anonymous 51361

>>51357
based

Anonymous 51364

>>51354
eating junk food doesn't make men more likely to commit violent acts or reinforce a system of abuse against vulnerable women though

Anonymous 51382

>>51202
>Not more harmful than consuming romance media is to women.
Romance novels in general humanize men and emphasize intimacy, bonding, and a personal connection where porn reduces women to objects to be consumed one after the other.

Anonymous 51386

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>>51357
>we should be held by equally high standards
we already kinda are anon, it's the moid who's allowed to be fat and ugly in society

Anonymous 51390

>>51382
>Romance novels in general humanize men and emphasize intimacy, bonding, and a personal connection
That is exactly the problem. Men aren't human and they aren't capable of love or intimacy. Romance media sets up women to chase a false hope and see it as a primary goal in their life when it is unattainable. I'd bet a lot of the depression we see in women is due to believing that they have failed romantically, or for placing their self worth on men and remaining trapped in bad relationships with terrible people.

Anonymous 51394

>>51386
The key is to be held to 'equally high standards', rather than just us being held to high standards. But yeah I get what you mean. Things are unfair on either side in different ways but it does seem to lean in our direction moreso than theirs

Anonymous 51396

>>51364
>eating junk food doesn't make men more likely to commit violent acts
Citation needed. I've yet to see any evidence that there's a relationship between violent crime rates and porn use.
Again, I think porn leads to unhealthy expectations and is definitely harmful, but I don't think it's the root of all evil.

Anonymous 51403

>>51197
>Israel's occupation of Ramala in 2003, of locking people in their homes and broadcasting pornography on all TV stations is telling of it's use as a weapon of war.
holy shit

Anonymous 51404

>>51403
Yikes. This is the same Israel that has Orthodox Jews that don't allow photos of clothed women anywhere:

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/14/world/israel-newspaper-female-leaders-photo-altered/index.html

Even outside, Orthodox women are expected to shave their heads and wear awful wigs.

Anonymous 51405

>>51390
Based

Anonymous 58514

>>51403
i wonder what videos they used

Anonymous 58516

>>51221
It's hard to say, wether men like this can ever be saved from this influence.

It seems to permanently poison the moid-brain, once it is consumed.

The best way to save society would probably be by talking openly about this issue and raising a new, porn-free generation.

Anonymous 58518

>>58516
Good luck. Like any vice the more you make it illegal or hard to get the more some will seek it out. It's the harsh reality of it all.

Anonymous 58533

It's disturbing for sure, porn give men expectations of how woman should be vs reality. They they become so desensitized that nothing arouses them, rendering them a useless. I worry about the rough sex porn, fake hurtcore and real hurtcore. These genres influence men to hurt woman.

Anonymous 58537

>>51354
And that's a fair point. Social media and onlyfans objectives woman as much as porn, but now more WE are actively participating into this objectification to pander to men.(for money and sponserships)

Anonymous 58538

>>58536
I'm not doing this. Already dealt with power dynamics in 4chan. Just sharing my opinion.

Anonymous 58543

>>58537
the lack of good jobs in (American) society made it so that women need alternative sources of income, and selling their bodies is easy and convenient. nowadays men can't even get a job to support a single-income family so wives have to get jobs too. instead, men just get a job and watch porn instaed of getting married. we are economically incentivized to not have a family since it's so expensive

Anonymous 58544

>>58543
Ah I see, I guess times are rough now. Thank you for your feedback.

Anonymous 58545

>>51355
This, certain genres of porn is a deal breaker for me due to trauma. I'm flexible if they're preferences are erotica or soft core, but the other genres make me physically sick.

Anonymous 58548

>>58544
Thank you. Every guy I ever dated (3 of them) watched porn. Porn used to be taboo, but now you're considered weird if you don't watch porn. It's like there's a concerted effort to prevent healthy relationships from forming nowadays. I can't watch an episode of Grey's Anatomy for free but I can watch a girl get sexually destroyed by a group of men for free? Something sinister is up…

Anonymous 58551

>>51183
The porn in itself doesnt bother me because it’s just a symptom of a bigger problem.

Realizing all men use porn even while in sexually fulfilling relationships made me realize men are basically incapable of true monogamy. They are not wired like us. So it was a huge blackpill. The prevalence of mistresses, brothels etc all throughout history backs this up. I don’t believe men can fully love and desire only one woman. They aren’t evolved enough.

Anonymous 58558

>>58551
Truth. men just can't be trusted to remain loyal.

Anonymous 58562

>>58548
Most men bond over discussions about harming or objectifying women.
The porn floodgates were opened. Men are so obsessed with it they even bully other men who aren't as obsessed with watching women be abused as much as they are.

Anonymous 58578

>>58562
Yeah the concerning thing is even most Nice Guys hate women and are hanging out in online spaces discussing how to rape and hurt women and bonding with other moids over it.
If you go to any male dominated internet space like 4chan or lookism or even just some subreddits you quickly see all the moids bonding over their shared love of hurting and degrading women, turning them into sex objects, pedophilia, having sex with underage girls etc.

Anonymous 58579

>>58578
>that time my ex talked about wanting to fuck 13 year olds on a lookism forum then dismissed it as locker talk and just guys being guys when I found out about it

Anonymous 58581

>>58578
If you go on any incel board or lookism forum you will quickly see their entire lives revolve around ‘slaying jailbaits’ and trying to make up for being a retarded ugly loser in high school

Anonymous 58594

>>58579
I remember you. Did you post this on lc or ag?

Anonymous 58600

>>58548
>I feel like there’s a concerted effort to prevent people from forming healthy relationships nowadays
God, me too. Relationships now are treated like it’s a competition to see who can cuck who first, and its really sad.

58601

>>58551
Nothing more depressing than realizing the men we were brainwashed into idolising and thinking were smarter and better than us are actually just a bunch of primitive rapey apes at the mercy of their own dicks.

58602

Locker room talk. I fucking hate that expression. The only time men are telling the truth is in their retarded locker rooms.

58614

>>58545
I hate how if you tell a guy you were abused he automatically thinks that means you must be a DDLG slut who is down for all kinds of degrading shit.

Anonymous 58618

>>58516
The best way to save society would be to eliminate the conditions which allow the existence of things like alienation, pornography, prostitution, and human trafficking as well as poverty and preventable diseases. >>58595

>>58536

The romance genre

Anonymous 58621

>>58618
Well as long as freedom of speech, expression, media etc is allowed, porn will exist.

Anonymous 58625

>>58621
Porn will always exist, but it should not be deemed healthy to consume. People claim everyone does it, so it is normal as if that makes it ok.

Anonymous 58627

>>58618
I just realized that I didn't finish my second reply:
>>58536
The romance genre is also full of sexist stereotypes and cliches, it romanticizes unhealthy behaviours, unrealistic expectations, etc. That doesn't mean that you have to defend porn, but thanks at least for bringing that up too (you see that kinda stuff a lot in anime, for example, and many on this site are infatuated with the fictional idea of men that Japanese media provides them). I don't blame people who fall for it, though, because there's basically nothing we can do right now to stop all those millions of people from consuming porn, unhealthy erotica and romance fiction, and their conditions just makes them more likely to consume that stuff.

>>58621
How can you be sure about that, though? And do you advocate for complete freedom of speech (including pedophilia and hate speech, etc.)? Don't you think that if pornography stopped being profitable and the conditions that cause human trafficking and prostitution practically disappeared, porn would become much less common? Like >>58625 said, porn will always exist, but using it shouldn't be seen as normal or good. Ideally, in the few cases that it exists, it should only be produced by consenting adults (or in the form of drawings/literature) for their own enjoyment and not for mass distribution, in my opinion.

Anonymous 58628

>>58627
>How can you be sure about that, though? And do you advocate for complete freedom of speech (including pedophilia and hate speech, etc.)? Don't you think that if pornography stopped being profitable and the conditions that cause human trafficking and prostitution practically disappeared, porn would become much less common? Like >>58625 said, porn will always exist, but using it shouldn't be seen as normal or good. Ideally, in the few cases that it exists, it should only be produced by consenting adults (or in the form of drawings/literature) for their own enjoyment and not for mass distribution, in my opinion.
You've just stated in your post why it will continue to exist. What exactly are you confused about? Unless what you actually mean is whether or not "exploitative porn" specifically could be erased by your arrangement. Sure, in the ideal utopian sense, good luck ensuring everyone gets access to reproduction to their liking though.

Anonymous 58632

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>>58628
>Unless what you actually mean is whether or not "exploitative porn" specifically could be erased by your arrangement.
Of course that's what I'm talking about. Drawing erotic pictures in the privacy of your own home will always be possible. But that's totally different to there being millions, or billions of pornographic images and videos (often of a shocking nature) that are easily accessible by everyone in the world, even little kids. It might not be possible to make porn disappear completely, but wouldn't it still be good if it practically does? I would love for porn stop existing, but that would only be possible with a radical system change, not through "small changes" and reforms. As long as there's poverty and the profit motive of pornography, the internet will continue to be full of it.

I don't know if you knew this, but in the Soviet Union, porn was banned (although of course it existed, but it was much more difficult to obtain, and much of it was either smuggled in from capitalist countries or made for personal use in private). And look what happened when it collapsed: prostitution, human trafficking and child pornography became rampant. In the Socialist bloc women also had more satisfying sex, coincidentally.

Anonymous 58633

>>58632
Good post

Anonymous 58650

>>58614
Exactly, they have no idea how trauma works. They think sexual abuse = daddy issues, slut. While we're more sympathetic towards male sexual abuse survivors.

Anonymous 58651

>>58632
>>Drawing erotic pictures in the privacy of your own home will always be possible. But that's totally different to there being millions, or billions of pornographic images and videos (often of a shocking nature) that are easily accessible by everyone in the world, even little kids.

Thank you for this post. I'm always ashamed at my own hypocrisy for reading and writing erotica but have a revulsion for porn. But it's what you mentioned, that erotica stays in my home and isn't mass distributed. There is no exploration in my private works.

Anonymous 58652

>>58651
I mean exploitation, sorry.

Anonymous 58830

>>51183
do you consider yourself sex positive?

Anonymous 58832

>>51364
I dunno, gut dysbiosis can make people behave in some pretty insane ways

Anonymous 58938

porn ruined an entire generation of men

Anonymous 64705

>>51183
Gave me unrealistic expectations, made it harder for them to enjoy actual sex, and made it harder for men to empathize with women.

Anonymous 64706

>>64705
Gave men*

Anonymous 66987

>>58621
freedom of speech is an abstract principle that can easily be overturned by a societies norm

Anonymous 66988

>>58627
>it should only be produced by consenting adults (or in the form of drawings/literature)
I don't think moids who exclusively fap to hentai have healtier views of women



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