I don't know how to feel about the fact that most men growing up now consume porn to some degree.
Does it impact their sexual behavior, I wonder?
It's dangerous for everybody and without a doubt is a weapon of cultural and psychological warfare.
Porn numbs men's empathy toward women, it conditions women to be treated as objects, and it sexualizes and profiteers off of the degradation of human sexual and romantic relationships.
I won't specify which group I think is doing this but I think Israel's occupation of Ramala in 2003, of locking people in their homes and broadcasting pornography on all TV stations is telling of it's use as a weapon of war.
When they're young, no. But it's up to each adult to break any bad cycle that they're in.>>51189
It would have to, necessarily. it introduces younger people to more and more… unusual sex acts and presents them as acceptable
Not more harmful than consuming romance media is to women. Imagine how much easier life would be if you weren't indoctrinated to want men and treat yourself as a sexual commodity to earn their approval all your life.
a cute guy in one of my classes is being mercilessly bullied by his friends ever since he admitted he doesn't watch porn. I think it's really cute for guys today to refrain from porn, and while I'd never say it publicly, in my opinion speaks to a superior character.
My bf was a massive coomer (I saw some of his folders, it was hardcore stuff) but quit porn right away when I said that I wanted him to
I think a lot of men just do it because it’s so normalized
porn can be hard to quit outright even if you give a man sex and all that because it can become addictive, but at the end of the day finding a real woman is one of the strongest reasons most men who do quit end up doing it.
I think this site fixates on porn a little too much. Plenty of people today grow up eating junk food, using social media constantly, and doing any number of other unhealthy behaviors. But only porn is treated as this big a deal.
Like I'm not saying it's good to watch porn, but I don't think it's actually any more harmful than the social media addictions so many people have.
Women should reinforce that they won't date men that watch porn and that and stick to it.
We should hold men to much higher standards on everything, fitness, food, morality, but by the same token we should be held by equally high standards. Not for any moral reason just cause that's the best way for us both to be better is to hold romantic/physical/platonic intimacy hostage.
What's wrong with porn?
eating junk food doesn't make men more likely to commit violent acts or reinforce a system of abuse against vulnerable women though
>>51202>Not more harmful than consuming romance media is to women.
Romance novels in general humanize men and emphasize intimacy, bonding, and a personal connection where porn reduces women to objects to be consumed one after the other.
>>51357>we should be held by equally high standards
we already kinda are anon, it's the moid who's allowed to be fat and ugly in society
>>51382>Romance novels in general humanize men and emphasize intimacy, bonding, and a personal connection
That is exactly the problem. Men aren't human and they aren't capable of love or intimacy. Romance media sets up women to chase a false hope and see it as a primary goal in their life when it is unattainable. I'd bet a lot of the depression we see in women is due to believing that they have failed romantically, or for placing their self worth on men and remaining trapped in bad relationships with terrible people.
The key is to be held to 'equally high standards', rather than just us being held to high standards. But yeah I get what you mean. Things are unfair on either side in different ways but it does seem to lean in our direction moreso than theirs
>>51364>eating junk food doesn't make men more likely to commit violent acts
Citation needed. I've yet to see any evidence that there's a relationship between violent crime rates and porn use.
Again, I think porn leads to unhealthy expectations and is definitely harmful, but I don't think it's the root of all evil.
>>51197>Israel's occupation of Ramala in 2003, of locking people in their homes and broadcasting pornography on all TV stations is telling of it's use as a weapon of war.
Yikes. This is the same Israel that has Orthodox Jews that don't allow photos of clothed women anywhere:https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/14/world/israel-newspaper-female-leaders-photo-altered/index.html
Even outside, Orthodox women are expected to shave their heads and wear awful wigs.
i wonder what videos they used
It's hard to say, wether men like this can ever be saved from this influence.
It seems to permanently poison the moid-brain, once it is consumed.
The best way to save society would probably be by talking openly about this issue and raising a new, porn-free generation.
Good luck. Like any vice the more you make it illegal or hard to get the more some will seek it out. It's the harsh reality of it all.
It's disturbing for sure, porn give men expectations of how woman should be vs reality. They they become so desensitized that nothing arouses them, rendering them a useless. I worry about the rough sex porn, fake hurtcore and real hurtcore. These genres influence men to hurt woman.
And that's a fair point. Social media and onlyfans objectives woman as much as porn, but now more WE are actively participating into this objectification to pander to men.(for money and sponserships)
I'm not doing this. Already dealt with power dynamics in 4chan. Just sharing my opinion.
the lack of good jobs in (American) society made it so that women need alternative sources of income, and selling their bodies is easy and convenient. nowadays men can't even get a job to support a single-income family so wives have to get jobs too. instead, men just get a job and watch porn instaed of getting married. we are economically incentivized to not have a family since it's so expensive
Ah I see, I guess times are rough now. Thank you for your feedback.
This, certain genres of porn is a deal breaker for me due to trauma. I'm flexible if they're preferences are erotica or soft core, but the other genres make me physically sick.
Thank you. Every guy I ever dated (3 of them) watched porn. Porn used to be taboo, but now you're considered weird if you don't watch porn. It's like there's a concerted effort to prevent healthy relationships from forming nowadays. I can't watch an episode of Grey's Anatomy for free but I can watch a girl get sexually destroyed by a group of men for free? Something sinister is up…
The porn in itself doesnt bother me because it’s just a symptom of a bigger problem.
Realizing all men use porn even while in sexually fulfilling relationships made me realize men are basically incapable of true monogamy. They are not wired like us. So it was a huge blackpill. The prevalence of mistresses, brothels etc all throughout history backs this up. I don’t believe men can fully love and desire only one woman. They aren’t evolved enough.
Truth. men just can't be trusted to remain loyal.
Most men bond over discussions about harming or objectifying women.
The porn floodgates were opened. Men are so obsessed with it they even bully other men who aren't as obsessed with watching women be abused as much as they are.
Yeah the concerning thing is even most Nice Guys hate women and are hanging out in online spaces discussing how to rape and hurt women and bonding with other moids over it.
If you go to any male dominated internet space like 4chan or lookism or even just some subreddits you quickly see all the moids bonding over their shared love of hurting and degrading women, turning them into sex objects, pedophilia, having sex with underage girls etc.
>>58578>that time my ex talked about wanting to fuck 13 year olds on a lookism forum then dismissed it as locker talk and just guys being guys when I found out about it
If you go on any incel board or lookism forum you will quickly see their entire lives revolve around ‘slaying jailbaits’ and trying to make up for being a retarded ugly loser in high school
I remember you. Did you post this on lc or ag?
>>58548>I feel like there’s a concerted effort to prevent people from forming healthy relationships nowadays
God, me too. Relationships now are treated like it’s a competition to see who can cuck who first, and its really sad.
Nothing more depressing than realizing the men we were brainwashed into idolising and thinking were smarter and better than us are actually just a bunch of primitive rapey apes at the mercy of their own dicks.
Locker room talk. I fucking hate that expression. The only time men are telling the truth is in their retarded locker rooms.
I hate how if you tell a guy you were abused he automatically thinks that means you must be a DDLG slut who is down for all kinds of degrading shit.
The best way to save society would be to eliminate the conditions which allow the existence of things like alienation, pornography, prostitution, and human trafficking as well as poverty and preventable diseases. >>58595
The romance genre
Well as long as freedom of speech, expression, media etc is allowed, porn will exist.
Porn will always exist, but it should not be deemed healthy to consume. People claim everyone does it, so it is normal as if that makes it ok.
I just realized that I didn't finish my second reply:>>58536
The romance genre is also full of sexist stereotypes and cliches, it romanticizes unhealthy behaviours, unrealistic expectations, etc. That doesn't mean that you have to defend porn, but thanks at least for bringing that up too (you see that kinda stuff a lot in anime, for example, and many on this site are infatuated with the fictional idea of men that Japanese media provides them). I don't blame people who fall for it, though, because there's basically nothing we can do right now to stop all those millions of people from consuming porn, unhealthy erotica and romance fiction, and their conditions just makes them more likely to consume that stuff.>>58621
How can you be sure about that, though? And do you advocate for complete freedom of speech (including pedophilia and hate speech, etc.)? Don't you think that if pornography stopped being profitable and the conditions that cause human trafficking and prostitution practically disappeared, porn would become much less common? Like >>58625
said, porn will always exist, but using it shouldn't be seen as normal or good. Ideally, in the few cases that it exists, it should only be produced by consenting adults (or in the form of drawings/literature) for their own enjoyment and not for mass distribution, in my opinion.
>>58627>How can you be sure about that, though? And do you advocate for complete freedom of speech (including pedophilia and hate speech, etc.)? Don't you think that if pornography stopped being profitable and the conditions that cause human trafficking and prostitution practically disappeared, porn would become much less common? Like >>58625 said, porn will always exist, but using it shouldn't be seen as normal or good. Ideally, in the few cases that it exists, it should only be produced by consenting adults (or in the form of drawings/literature) for their own enjoyment and not for mass distribution, in my opinion.
You've just stated in your post why it will continue to exist. What exactly are you confused about? Unless what you actually mean is whether or not "exploitative porn" specifically
could be erased by your arrangement. Sure, in the ideal utopian sense, good luck ensuring everyone gets access to reproduction to their liking though.
>>58628>Unless what you actually mean is whether or not "exploitative porn" specifically could be erased by your arrangement.
Of course that's what I'm talking about. Drawing erotic pictures in the privacy of your own home will always be possible. But that's totally different to there being millions, or billions of pornographic images and videos (often of a shocking nature) that are easily accessible by everyone in the world, even little kids. It might not be possible to make porn disappear completely, but wouldn't it still be good if it practically
does? I would love for porn stop existing, but that would only be possible with a radical
system change, not through "small changes" and reforms. As long as there's poverty and the profit motive of pornography, the internet will continue to be full of it.
I don't know if you knew this, but in the Soviet Union, porn was banned (although of course it existed, but it was much more difficult to obtain, and much of it was either smuggled in from capitalist countries or made for personal use in private). And look what happened when it collapsed: prostitution, human trafficking and child pornography became rampant. In the Socialist bloc women also had more satisfying sex, coincidentally.
Exactly, they have no idea how trauma works. They think sexual abuse = daddy issues, slut. While we're more sympathetic towards male sexual abuse survivors.
>>58632>>Drawing erotic pictures in the privacy of your own home will always be possible. But that's totally different to there being millions, or billions of pornographic images and videos (often of a shocking nature) that are easily accessible by everyone in the world, even little kids.
Thank you for this post. I'm always ashamed at my own hypocrisy for reading and writing erotica but have a revulsion for porn. But it's what you mentioned, that erotica stays in my home and isn't mass distributed. There is no exploration in my private works.
do you consider yourself sex positive?
I dunno, gut dysbiosis can make people behave in some pretty insane ways
porn ruined an entire generation of men
Gave me unrealistic expectations, made it harder for them to enjoy actual sex, and made it harder for men to empathize with women.
freedom of speech is an abstract principle that can easily be overturned by a societies norm
>>58627>it should only be produced by consenting adults (or in the form of drawings/literature)
I don't think moids who exclusively fap to hentai have healtier views of women