I feel traumatised by visiting 4chan Anonymous 64116
As a woman I went there not knowing their rules and I felt torn apart by visiting it. Not willing to tell what I saw there and what happened (no, I'm not Jessi Slaughter).
i kinda relate, anon. i went on pol this morning just to browse around and came across a thread of men speaking violently about women. it made me sick to my stomach. i know misogyny on there isn't new, but it was difficult to see it occur in real time while i was viewing the thread
So much racism, misogyny, not to mention what I saw on /b/. Shit.
I also relate, the first time I went there someone was posting real gore against women. I don't go there anymore
The "black pill" stuff is really sad and messed up. I think that incels like being depressed.
well why are you making degenerate comments? I hope they do get found out.
Remember that the stuff they post there is mostly bland gore and uninspired shitposting. The things that even get you banned there are something else, and there are still the things no one talks about or makes video evidence of. Like think the worst thing possible, then triple that in terms of brutality. You won't even get close to what people are capable of. There is unimaginable horror out there, be glad that you get to be unaware.
also some nasty ass cartoon threads.
jesus christ get a grip
I feel like I will never be a normie after browsing 4chan and visiting it and I'm a bio woman.
I'm kind of desensitized to the rampant mysogyny on 4chan, as bad as it can sound. I try to tell myself this is mainly terminally online edgy losers that will stay lonely forever. The times when I do get upset/shocked is when I see actual gore/rekt shit. I usually try to avoid the shitty boards such as /pol/ and /r9k/ and focus on hobby boards which do not reek of incel faggotry and /pol/ brainrot as much.
I think they need to stop browsing 4chan, because it's an MK Ultra experiment to make people feel shittier.>>64134
this. it's not that serious. take a walk, stop going on 4chan, you'll be okay.
What do y'all think about cartoon porn on /b/? which is disgusting?
This implies going on /b/ in the first place. Why go on one of the worst board the site has to offer? (/trash/ is pretty bad too but at least its hidden)
yeah when i go on there every once in a while i feel weirdly bleak after getting off of it. i cannot imagine the mentality of people who go there daily
Which hobby boards do you like, anon?
Geez you guys are really sensitive. Not to be an edgelord, but maybe tumblr or twitter is more your speed?
Don't go on 4chan for fuck's sake. You don't have to. Especially the bigger boards like /pol/, /v/ and /b/. Those are the worst ones where newfags from all kinds of places gather and then spread their virus to the other boards. /pol/ was also openly and admittedly astroturfed back in the early 2010s by Stormfront (which is how the rest of the site slowly became more right-wing) and it's still astroturfed to this day, it's full of bots, shills, MAGA/Qanon boomers and edgy neo-Nazi male teens. /r9k/ didn't use to be that bad either but it's also gone to shit. /tg/ used to be beloved among all the boards as a sort of fun and cool older brother figure, now there's endless /pol/ bait every day and if you object to it they just spam even more and act as if you were delusional, they don't even let you have fun anymore. The rest of the site loathes /pol/ and usually also /b/ and /v/ but it feels as if, ever since GamerGate and the 2016 US elections the whole internet, including 4chan, has been rapidly deteriorating in quality and anti-/pol/ resistance has gotten weaker.
Believe me, one of the goals of /pol/cels is to demoralize you, to make you feel bad about yourself. 4shit does not represent all of the internet, or even all imageboards (even though a lot of alt chans are full of former 4channers). Imageboards and textboards are just where the worst of the worst happen to gather on the clearnet and this was true even when the first Japanese boards were created.
And no, I don't think it's an "MK Ultra experiment", but I do believe 4chan and the whole internet in general have become part of something bigger, something that is being controlled for political purposes. They won't let us just grill, they will use us in any way they can.
In any case though, it's not like you need to visit the bigger boards or get used to every board. Just stick to the ones you actually care about, for example I use the female-oriented/yume thread on /h/ and occasionally the otome games thread on /jp/, and that's it. There are comfy boards like /c/ and /cm/, generally the smaller hobby boards are the best (this usually applies to most small alt chans as well). Also, this might be a bit OT, but don't feel bad about being a girl on imageboards or on videogames or whatever. Although men have always been more numerous, whether because of "natural" or social factors, in geeky hobbies, women have always been present in that early adopter group as well, just as a minority. Misogynists often willingly lie about this and say that women don't belong in their groups or that we ruin everything good, but it's nothing more than denial. Always remember that.
>>64118>goes to literally the worst board on the entire website>sees the worst possible content on the board
What did you expect?
I honestly just use /a/, /m/, /cm/,/jp/ and /vg/, the rest of the site is unbearable and disgusting.>>64148>ever since GamerGate and the 2016 US elections the whole internet, including 4chan, has been rapidly deteriorating in quality and anti-/pol/ resistance has gotten weaker.
It sucks because it ruins the entire website. People who simply just disagree with you call you the n-word or a TIM. 4chan pre-Gamergate and 2016 was genuinely better, because it was just full of nerds and losers either way, but now it's turned into a political extremist hivemind since /pol/ is probably the most visited board on the site.
Your post makes me think of that graph I saw today
>muh its all because female joins in
But the comic points out that the problem originates with the fourth guy joining, not the girl. And to be fair, I absolutely hate fucking men who do something (yoga, ballet, knitting) just to hit on women.
OP here. I always wondered why do 4channers act like they have something to hide, whenever they make racist comments or watch anime etc.? I ask because I have the same experiences with 4chan, not to mention I got harrassed and doxed once there.
Meh sometimes the unhinged posting can be a little funny, but I get your point>>64148
It traumatises me more knowing there are young women who browse boards like /r9k/ and /pol/ and absorb the board culture and mentality there. They become like the misogynistic, bigoted and pessimistic guys they interact with and sometimes you won't find out until much later.
Yeah, OP here. I was that woman who absorbed their culture. I don't know how much this will cost me, but I think I got shadowbanned somewhere.
I think I will never be a successful person if people find out that I'm a 4chan user, they are gonna kill me. :'(
Not to mention I wrote some cringy stuff on /pol/.
Stop going there then, don't worry
I like going on /p/, /po/, /i/ (even if it can get cringe), /ic/, /vg/… I also go on /cm/ and /c/.
I like /pol/ as a hobby. I used to visit /x/ and /g/, but /g/ is not as good as l*
chan and /x/ is the same stuff over and over, so I just started reading esoteric books.
Btw don't confuse /po/ with /pol/ :^)
>>64148>Especially the bigger boards like /pol/, /v/ and /b/.
Yes. Death to /v/. If want to discuss video games, then go to one of the smaller spinoff boards instead.
I get my vidya discussion from /vst/. The only misogyny I see on that board is from the /pol/shitters infesting Humankind threads, but even they're going to get bored and wander off eventually.
I was underage when I was cp on /b/. I had never seen any before and genuinely thought it was just one of those things people said gets posted on 4chan but isn't actually there. It was a video file or link to file, idk. Apparently what I saw is a well-known video called Daisy Destruction. The girl victimised in it is 18 months old.
Clicking it and what I saw briefly was bad enough. But to see people reacting positively in real time broke my soul.
I got really traumatized by imageboards when, as a coomer teen, I thought it was a good idea to watch porn on /hc/.
Instead it was a bunch of gory stuff that got me nightmares for years. Watching videos of people dying still fucks me up deeply, every single time.
I found 4chinz at 12 and the gore never put me off, I think for a short time I actually looked up gore online. Anyway, I'm extremely desensitized to anything radical/violent/discriminatory at this point and even find such things funny at times.
I don't mind 4chan. Shitty threads are fairly easy to avoid on boards like /v/ and not going to /pol/ or /b/ works fine enough for me. Only thing that sucks is dedicated shitposters for specific games on /v/. Go for hobby stuff, you will never relive the magic of the internet before 2007 anyway so why bother using 4chan for anything else?
Anon, people are sensitive to gore and horrible things for a reason. I'm not trying to tell you that you should resensitize yourself (idk if it's even technically possible) but going out of your way to seek for gore/porn to get desensitized to it sounds extremely unhealthy. (Plus considering you find some of that funny..). It reminds me of some moids that obsess with getting desensitized to gore and porn that they ended up seeking the worst of the worst such as cp, beastiality or torture porn to become emotionally """stronger""".
not the flex you think it is
it's actually really sad to know that the internet has the ability to kill people's empathy stone dead
Nta, but what if you never, at any point in time, responded to gore? I was mildly bemused the first time I found it, but I can't say that it has ever "shocked" me. Can you blame the internet if my reaction to it was neutral from the start?
This feels like satire.
Honestly the worst part about this is that you find some of it funny, admitting that you laugh at other's people suffering. I probably sound like an annoying moralfag but this is just sad and fucked up.
Schadenfreude is a very very human feeling.
who said anyone's empathy was being killed? big difference between seeing some almost slapstick gore online and stuff happening to people you know irl. though personally i don't like it, it makes me feel awful, i don't find it funny either. i understand some people find it funny in the same way they find someone falling over or messing up funny but in a darker way.
Does how I feel about it undo the gore of the situation? Whether I laugh or cry the act already occured.
And so are other destructive human feelings (let's think the extreme such as killing and rape). Does that make it any better now that it's a "very very human feeling"? No. Humans can be fucked up. Laughing at people dying and getting abused on the internet might be a human thing to do but it doesn't make it any less fucked up.
It's people like you that deliberately seek for this type of content that encourages more of this content to be produced. How you feel might not undo the gore you saw on the video but it for sure says a lot about your person.
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>>64213>And so are other destructive human feelings (let's think the extreme such as killing and rape).>raping or killing something is a feeling
By that i meant the multiple feelings that lead a person to rape or kill (should have probably phrased myself better)
>>64214>It's people like you that deliberately seek for this type of content that encourages more of this content to be produced.
1. I am not >>64190
, I do not actively seek it out I just don't have an emotional response to gore, and never have, at any point in time, period.
2. This argument only makes sense if those posting gore videos either gain money or clout. Unlike porn, where yes, there is a market, and the market encourages the creation of the product, as far as I am aware no one has managed to monetize gore and snuff videos. I don't even think ll made money off it while it was in operation, and I certainly don't believe the uploaders did.
>How you feel might not undo the gore you saw on the video but it for sure says a lot about your person.
And what does it say about my person? That I would kill someone? That I wouldn't try to prevent someone being killed? What exactly does it say?>>64213>Laughing at people dying and getting abused on the internet might be a human thing to do but it doesn't make it any less fucked up.
Something "being fucked up" doesn't make it immoral, it just makes it a social faux pas, which means don't do it around others as it will effect your resource allocation, but it has no moral relevance as far as whether or not you are a good person.
When someone say that something is fucked up, it usually means that it's immoral for them.
For me, I think that if you laugh at people getting hurt, abused an ddying, you're not a good person. I don't think it's good for your mental health either
>>64219>When someone say that something is fucked up, it usually means that it's immoral for them.
That is absolute news to me. I didn't know it was immoral to have certain thoughts or feelings, or in this case, a lack of certain thoughts or feelings.>For me, I think that if you laugh at people getting hurt, abused an ddying, you're not a good person.
Why? Why does it make someone a bad person? As opposed to a person that is bad at empathizing?
OP here, same for me, actually. I started finding racist and antisemitic stuff funny to some degree, even though irl I would never say such things. I guess I grew some serious thick skin. Well, I only get paranoid about my comments being found out.
This poster >>64190
I think you guys misunderstood me, the period I looked up gore was barely a few weeks, after that I was uninterested, it was just morbid curiosity. And I'm not really an edge lord, the reason I can laugh to such jokes is because they are pretty much inside jokes, like I can laugh at someone from /pol/ blaming Mossad for 9/11 because I know their retarded context behind it, while an outsider probably wouldn't get it or just find it outrageous, doesn't mean I actually believe it (like pic related in context can give you a chuckle.) My actual political beliefs are around center-left (aka literal commie in murrika or literally hitler in yurop).
I also want to say that I'm not emotionally "dead", I think that being desensitized to things is not necessarily bad depending on the person. Sure, for a psychopath that might be terrible, but for the average person who can logically tell apart what's right and wrong and doesn't have any destructive urges I think it's an advantage.
OP here, I also have center-left views
Literally nobody gives a shit. I literally mean 'literally'.
>>64235>cancel culture in full swing getting people canceled for tweets from a decade ago
<no one cares you went to 4chan
Granted, the likehood of anyone here reaching any place worth canceling them from is almost zero, but to say going to 4chan doesn't immediately degrade your image is a lie.
Do you think everyone know they go to 4chan?
Do you honestly think that anyone will be able to track anonymous posts from 4chins from week ago, let alone a decade?
It's if someone finds out later. Now how would that happen? I don't fucking know. The argument here >>64235
isn't that it's hard to prove you went to 4chan (as if proof is even actually needed in cancel culture.) It's that, if you were someone large enough for other people to give a shit about, let's a say a professor who isn't tenure yet, and it got out that you went on 4chan, people would, in fact, give a shit.>>64240
Why would the individual posts matter? To the average person 4chan is where child pornography and racism is posted. It doesn't matter whether or not you personally did it, you're tainted from having done so
>>64241>you're tainted from having done so
*you're tainted from having just been in a place where this happens
And how are they going to know?
Anyhow - go to your average porn site. Take a glimpse what moids fap to hours on end. Nobody cares.
>>64243>specifically state in my post that the point isn't about whether or not they can find out, but what would happen should someone find out
<And how are they going to know?
I just don't know what I'm supposed to do with miners this dense.
Yes, anon, laughing at someone being beaten in the street is immoral. I find it worrying that you it's news to you
It makes you a bad person because it means you experience joy and glee when other people suffer.
Instead of feeling and empathizing with them and their pain, you find their suffering joyful. You know, like, moid that rape or beat women and enjoy making them suffer
>>64247>I find it worrying that you it's news to you.
First off, the thing that was news to me was that people used "fucked up" to mean "this is immoral", I, at no point in earlier time, ever knew this is what was actually meant by those specific words.>Yes, anon, laughing at someone being beaten in the street is immoral.
Why? If I'm laughing at someone getting beaten while actively attempting to prevent them from getting beaten am I still immoral? Why or why not?>It makes you a bad person because it means you experience joy and glee when other people suffer.
And why is that bad? As far as I can tell actually making others suffer
is the immoral action. Why does having a particular set of emotions count vs not count?>Instead of feeling and empathizing with them and their pain, you find their suffering joyful. You know, like, moid that rape or beat women and enjoy making them suffer
This does not hold, as the moid raping/beating a woman is actually raping and beating someone
which are real physical actions.
Are you saying if the moid wasn't enjoying the beating of the woman at all that would make beating the woman moral?
I don't know if you are really curious and willing to engage in a conversation, or if you really want to twist what I say in the most oblivious way. You sound a bit like a friend of mine that is, well, autistic. It's not a jab, I'm just asking, are you? She also laughed at animal getting tortured and didn't understand what was wrong with it.
You don't need to make someone suffer to do something immoral. Besides, you could argue that seeking this type of content promote it, making you a participant, or actually laughing at someone suffering in real life, inflictind directly psychological sfufering on them
On the last one, you are twisting my word. I am saying that, just as a violent moid who enjoy the suffering of woman, you experience joy and people suffer. The fact that you protest and say "no, it's actually perfectly okay, because I don't do it" does not matter. You still have a common ground: enjoying other people suffering. You could also add that a lot of violent criminal enjoyed to see other people suffer before trying to make them suffer directly. A bit like someone watching lolicon and saying "oh no, it's perfectly okay, I'm not hurting anyone, I'm not a pedophile". And then, some day, he send a message to a 12 year old girl, going down the rabbit hole
She probably acts like a sperg in real life and reveals her power level a little too much. But then again, since 4chan is like reddit nowadays, she can just come up with an excuse and say that she browses edgy subreddits or discord servers.
Who knows, maybe anon-chan will find a cute girlriend-free boy who spams le epikk funneh may mays and wojacks on /pol/ and /b/ all day if she keeps this up. Moids on 4chan like speedy misfit girls.
Based post. You've put my thoughts into words exactly.
>>64251>I don't know if you are really curious and willing to engage in a conversation, or if you really want to twist what I say in the most oblivious way. You sound a bit like a friend of mine that is, well, autistic. It's not a jab, I'm just asking, are you?
Allegedly a diagnosis happened at age 3, no recorded documentation exists of this and my Mother is vague on it. I have had professional psychiatric evaluations twice since, both have listed autistic tendencies but neither felt the label was correct from one interaction.> She also laughed at animal getting tortured and didn't understand what was wrong with it.
Oh I understand what is "wrong" with it, as far as how others react and it will effect social status. That part is easy, that there is someone somewhere that will judge you for merely reacting to things in a certain way or exploring certain thoughts even no, real, actual harm manifests.
>You don't need to make someone suffer to do something immoral.
Well that was the only working fucking definition I had. If increasing the suffering in the world isn't fucking immoral than what fucking is? Sounds like puritan thought policing, which only works in a religious context where God judges your thoughts for even thinking
about doing things, since, with no outward indication, no one could actually prove you or anyone else has. If I laugh at something, isolated from everyone else, and I'm the only one who hears it, have I committed an immoral act?>Besides, you could argue that seeking this type of content promote it,
Please point me to where people get paid or social clout for posting gore videos. Again, liveleak the company may have made money, but uploaders don't see a damn cent. How the fuck does watching that material promote it if no one actually profits from it?>or actually laughing at someone suffering in real life, inflictind directly psychological sfufering on them
That's not the fucking situation we're describing, but I'll address it too. In that specific instance, the immoral act is the harm being caused psychologically, that requires the other human being to be aware I had that reaction. Now whether or not I should be responsible for the emotions of other's is debatable, as it leads down some really retarded rabbit holes, but let's just assume I do. In that specific instance, I only harm the other individual when I willing share that information which harms them, and have committed no immoral action when that person is not informed or made aware of my actions.
>The fact that you protest and say "no, it's actually perfectly okay, because I don't do it" does not matter. You still have a common ground: enjoying other people suffering.
Yeah, and murderers breathe, you going to stop doing that anytime soon paragon of virtue? You want as little in common with murderers as possible right? As opposed to the actually important difference: whether or not you have murdered someone.> You could also add that a lot of violent criminal enjoyed to see other people suffer before trying to make them suffer directly.
Great, notice how you had to preface this with the fact they are already violent criminals.
Meaning, they have already committed violent actions
. You can argue that violent thinking and enjoying the suffering of others leads to such behaviors, but until the actual physical act is manifested
no immoral action has been taken. >A bit like someone watching lolicon and saying "oh no, it's perfectly okay, I'm not hurting anyone, I'm not a pedophile". And then, some day, he send a message to a 12 year old girl, going down the rabbit hole
This reads like slippery slope logic, but let's just entertain this line of thinking again. Where did the actual immoral action occur?
You can say looking at loli content started it, and you would be fucking right, but that doesn't mean that looking at the loli content was the immoral action it was the actual abuse of the child.
Assuming the hyperidealic (which I frankly don't believe exists, but you fucking brought it up) lolicon who doesn't want to molest children exists, I could not give a single, tiny, fuck what that person does because I only care about physical, real, actions
of child abuse.
This is exactly what I was thinking before, thank you.
You're not interestend in a polite discussion, what you want is to be right. You are combative and don't really want to read the point I make.
If you wnat to keep on this train of thought, you should seriously go and read some philosophy. You seem to have mixed "an act that causes suffering" and "an immoral act".
Theses are not the same things. Something that is immoral is not something that harm another being, it is something that is against the rules of society, the notion of good and evil. An act can be immoral in itself without anyone suffering from it. For this view on objective morality, Kant would be a good start.
Not responding anymore, sorry, this discussion start to feel like every twitter/facebook/reddit/4chan etc "debate". It's too aggressive, and I just don't want to keep it going.
I don't want to be fucking right, I want something that doesn't fucking appeal to thought policing outside a religious context. If you're not religious the concept of thought policing is impossible, and thus, not relevant as a moral indicator. Assuming you want to agree with a framework that a God exists judging your thoughts as moral and immoral, I will completely concede you are in fact correct, but that is the only fucking context I can manifest where puritan idealic thinking is relavant to moral actions. Do you personally believe that a God is judging your thoughts? If not, how the fuck would you prove that people had immoral thoughts without actually observing moral actions.
I have read the damn guy, Kant literally justifies the concept of paving the road to hell with good intentions because Kant places having good intentions as the only possible moral good. If that's what you believe, then fine, fuck it.
>it is something that is against the rules of society, the notion of good and evil.
That come from fucking where if not God in this context? Kant posits the moral imperative, but I'd argue that everyone laughing at others suffering is morally neutral, as helping the victims of such tragedies is separate from such things.
If you don't want to be right, why are you so combative and aggressive when you write? I'm not accusing you of being a moid, but it really feel like being on 4chan, with you trying to take every sentence, to dissect it, find the tiniest flaws that you can and then argue that my entire point was just that.
I'm an anticlerical, so I don't understand where you took your religious angle. You don't need god to say that a thought can be immoral, that is, wrong and in violation of the rules of polite society, in itself.
I'm not saying Kant is entirely right, I was just suggesting him because you seem to have a hard time dissociating "doing an act that harm other" and "an immoral act". Moral can come from religion, but also your society, your culture, your personal beliefs and the arguments made about what is moral and what is not.
Actually, it's the same problem with defining what is good and what is wrong. How do you do it, if you refuse everything except a religious imperative? Most religions are frankly disgusting when you get to the bottom of it, so I never use them to think about moral. I don't understand whh you're so attached to the "it must be because you're religious" thing.
So yeah, I'm actually responding, because it feels like I misdjuged, you seem confused and angry about it? I don't get it either, but as long as we can keep a nice tone I'm game
You sound like someone that won't take anything seriously until it actually happens. It's funny how you don't think things can be wrong until they actually physically happen. You're someone that does not understand prevention.
You're probably gonna try to dissect this small post I made to prove to yourself how I'm thought policing you or something when all I'm trying to say (with the other based anon) is that you're simply a shitty person for enjoying other people's suffering. I'd seriously never trust myself around you lol. I don't have the energy to do an intelligent reply but here are my thoughts. Seethe over them if this is what you want, or just ignore. Anyway I'm going to sleep.
>>64263>If you don't want to be right, why are you so combative and aggressive when you write?
Because I'm fucking angry that a viewpoint I have repeatedly again and again tried to justify to myself as being correct, but have repeatedly, consistently, after reading dozens of philosophy books failed to, has been used and is being used to beat me over the head with how immoral I fucking am when I haven't even done anything fucking wrong other than having "the wrong reaction" to a given situation. I'm fucking angry that's why I'm reacting in an angry manner? Do you prefer I just turn off my fucking anger? Would that be a moral action to you? After all I'm having the wrong fucking reaction to a given fucking situation.
>I'm an anticlerical, so I don't understand where you took your religious angle. You don't need god to say that a thought can be immoral, that is, wrong and in violation of the rules of polite society, in itself.
I don't assume you're religious, I'm telling you the only fucking framework I have ever managed to manifest a use for the concept of policing thoughts, not actions, as a moral activity is under a framework where thoughts can be observed by an outside observer (i.e. god). Any other time you can never actually prove an immoral event has taken place because there's no way to actually observe another's thoughts. You can observe the results of other's thinking, but that isn't the thought itself, that's the action. The action can be immoral, you can prove an immoral action occurred, but you can only assume that immoral thoughts (if not insanity) occurred before the act.
Does thinking about helping the poor count as a moral action? Why not? Apparently just thinking about killing someone is immoral, thus, I would be a completely moral person if I just thought good moral thoughts about others everyday without lifting one god damn finger helping those who are downtrodden or oppressed, because I'm "thinking correctly".
>I'm not saying Kant is entirely right, I was just suggesting him because you seem to have a hard time dissociating "doing an act that harm other" and "an immoral act".
Because I can't manifest any other framework that works without religious backing to it, and again, you don't want that, so please manifest to me how anything outside the physical real world is relevant to morality when it can't be observed directly?
>Actually, it's the same problem with defining what is good and what is wrong. How do you do it, if you refuse everything except a religious imperative?
I only use a religious imperative when assuming thoughts can be immoral, since they can actually be observed and thus actually exist
. Outside of that framework, all I have left is the moral valence of physical, real, actions that can be observed and judged, in that case the only relevant marker.
>Most religions are frankly disgusting when you get to the bottom of it, so I never use them to think about moral. I don't understand whh you're so attached to the "it must be because you're religious" thing.
I dislike the structure of some religions, but the spirituality itself, the ceremonies, and the creations of those religions are not dirty in and of themselves. Beautiful, amazing, things coming out of the muck of human behavior if anything makes for a vividly aesthetic juxtaposition.
>So yeah, I'm actually responding, because it feels like I misdjuged, you seem confused and angry about it? I don't get it either, but as long as we can keep a nice tone I'm game
I can't keep a nice tone, I'm absolutely fucking pissed. I fucking hate being beaten over the head with Christian puritan morality tactics by those who deride Christ and Christianity. It's an absolutely morbid state of affairs and makes me physically ill.>>64265>You're someone that does not understand prevention.
I 100% understand prevention, preventing an immoral action means the person never commits an immoral action
and has thus done nothing wrong. However, the problem with the concept of "preventing immoral actions is a moral prerogative" is it instantly becomes pro-moralistic without a religious underpinning as well, which, intuitively, tells me it is incorrect.>I'd seriously never trust myself around you lol.
Duh, why wouldn't you unless you're retarded? You don't sound retarded, so I took it as a given you would do so. Evidently everyone else does it so it must be the correct action
Stop with this christian shit, like, for real.
I'm a French anti religious, burn the church girl, that had a grandmother in the Opus Dei and I hated her all my life.
The fact that the only way you can understand that someone disagree with you is by attributing a nebulous "christian purtian morality" is your own personal problem, and a problem with your understanding of philosophy. I don't even understand your point about "thought being observed". You don't need to do a methodical research on someone thought to determine that a certain thought pattern or feeling regarding a reaction is immoral.
And, again, you're too angry. I'm really done now. It feels like i'm arguing with a moid or an edgy teenager. If you really want to understand why other people see moral differently, you can see a psychologist to understand better, or follow some philosophy lectures. You're beyond my help.
>>64268>The fact that the only way you can understand that someone disagree with you is by attributing a nebulous "christian purtian morality" is your own personal problem, and a problem with your understanding of philosophy.
I do not believe you are Christian.I do not believe you are Christian.
I'll say it one more time.I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU ARE FUCKING CHRISTIAN
I am saying
that these are the only frameworks I
have been able to establish that match with what you are positing. I am asking you, someone who I believe
to not be Christian
how you are justifying thought policing without an appeal to God. Because, again, I am an idiot
, who doesn't want to be right, but has found no other framework under which the tactic works.
> You don't need to do a methodical research on someone thought to determine that a certain thought pattern or feeling regarding a reaction is immoral.
You would because if thoughts aren't real how can they have moral valence? Do you just assume thoughts exist because you have them?
>If you really want to understand why other people see moral differently,
This, not the hard part. Really fucking easy to model. I deal with it every fucking day. I understand other people can have different fucking thoughts, I'm asking you to justify yours because apparently I'm a fucking idiot.>you can see a psychologist to understand better,
Psychologist claimed there was no helping me as I had no mental issues, just moral dilemmas I couldn't answer for myself, and that was outside her expertise.> or follow some philosophy lectures. You're beyond my help.
Already done, still hasn't worked.
Could you specify what you disagree with when it comes to the blackpill?
im genuinely curious
I've only browsed /pol/ since 2012 so I was not around for /new/. But it used to be an awesome place for great discussion when lefties still went there before leftypol was made.
And /v/ is actually a really fun place to be.
Forgot to quote.>>64190
I think that's a common experience for many people on the internet.
What is so bad about /v/? 8CHAN /v/ though because 4v is shit ofc.
You'll have to put a gun to my head before I use 8chan. I might even wait until you smack me around a few times first, just to show me how serious you are.
I have a question, femanons. Why do /pol/tards say "You're here forever"? Can someone explain that?
Retards who enjoy posting on imageboards will never escape posting on imageboards. That's what "you're here forever" means.
No, that's all it is. The rejects who start posting on imageboards will never stop posting on imageboards because they are rejects. That's what it means.
I got my social media, I post about music and other apolitical stuff, yet I browse /pol/ on 4chan. Am I weird?
Anyone who browses imageboards (not tourists) are weird. Probably less weird as time goes by, but right now, as of this moment, you are posting on crystal.cafe, which is even weirder than posting on 4chins.
Shame I coudln't discover it earlier>>64288
Crystal cafe is such a comfy place. Shame there is no place to discuss politics here tho
do it for her.jpg
It has nothing to do with /pol/. It's a Simpsons reference, and it regards the addictive nature of being a regular poster on internet message boards. Go to any other board and you'll see the same message without any connection to politics.
we're all just lonely
OP here… 92 posts. it seems I wasn't the only one… thank you very much
>>64287>yet I browse /pol/ on 4chan
Do you only browse or do you also post?
>>64269>You would because if thoughts aren't real how can they have moral valence? Do you just assume thoughts exist because you have them?
What? This sentence makes absolutely zero sense
Of course thoughts are real. You DO have thougts, don't you? Or is your mind complety blank?
>>64316>You DO have thougts, don't you?
How would I prove it to you if I did? How would you prove to me that you have thoughts?
Prove me that you are alive and not a mere figment of my imagination, a creation of my brain.
Prove me that the world was not spontaneously created, with everything in it, the moment I was born.
If you question the reality of the most basic things, well, of course you can't understand anything
>>64319>Prove me that you are alive and not a mere figment of my imagination, a creation of my brain.
This is quite possibly the case.>Prove me that the world was not spontaneously created, with everything in it, the moment I was born.
This is also quite possible.
You only assume these two premises are ridiculous because most of your framework relies on them not being true, but you have no way of verifying such things.
1. You are a moid
2. You seem to hate Christianity so much that you're either a 2000s atheist moid who hates his churchgoer parents (his mom really) or you're like demonic
It's just men's insecurities being exploited and it has devolved into ludicrous ideas>women are exclusively attracted to tall attractive men >the remaining 80% of men are asexual statues to them>some weird things about maxxing>if you're aren't tall and attractive no woman will ever have a crush on you>a "Chad" would swoop in anytime and destroy your relationship with your girl
Basically it's this strange idea that women are fundamentally, irreversibly built on a genetic level to pick the most attractive mate. If you aren't that, it's game over.
I'm always worried that if someone discovers I use 4chan whether /pol/ or /b/, I will end as a NEET or maybe prostitute. I'm the only child with not much love received from my parents from Central Europe. But I started browsing 4chan because of pandemic and a lack of free speech in mainstream social media, even in Central Europe. I hate my life so much… I just wanted to be a musician, but now forever I will be an outcast.
BTW It's OP here.
My only excuse is the fact that Taylor Swift used 4chan. But that's cope from my side.
The real blackpill about under-6' sadbois is that their endless misery is their own fault for living on the internet.
Yes, being 5'11" or 5'10" or 5'9" or 5'8" or 5'7" can get you instantly rejected when trying ONLINE dating.
No, it doesn't really matter for REAL LIFE dating, so just go outside and meet someone for real.
The guys who really deserve empathy and sympathy and understanding? They're like 5'2" and just trying to survive, one day at a time. They don't hate women, they don't blame women, they've already accepted that they never had a chance in life. To those guys, I have to say… I'm sorry.
We assume the two premises are ridiculous because they're unprovable, like god being an invisible pink licorn, or other silly things
if you want to live your life in the matrix, go ahead, but nobody is going to follow you
Don't worry about it friend, choices of websites don't decide such things
If you don't like it, just close it, maybe block it, and try to forget about it
We can change at any time, don't sweat it :)
I don't know for your last part. I feel it depends largely on the country.
My boyfriend is 160cm, so, 5'3 or something? And yeah, he's a bit shorter than most men, but not by a lot, and I never really paid attention to it. I'm french and there, i'll say most men are 170cm, so like 5'5
As soon as my bf put on classic shoes, he's almost the same height as the other boys wearing flat sneakers.
Maybe in the US men are way taller, I don't now, but I never felt like height was such a big thing here
Men in the US are taller (as well as fatter).
Eating too much and consuming a lot of animal products with growth hormones, as is standard in america, can make you grow taller as a child. But it obviously has many adverse effects as well, such as obesity and aging badly.
This aligns with the stereotypes in my head, but in a good way. In my brain's fantasy version of France, Muh l'Amour is so tres romantique that it can overcome any worldly obstacle, like height.
Please tell me that you're cute together.
Haha, I think we are!
For your stereotype, he often show up randomly with flowers, for no particular reasons, and he write cute love poems for my birthday, valentine day, christmas, and sometimes randomly on a cute card. I do have to say, I don't think it's the norm, but men seem more well behaved in France than in the USA for what I can read
I don't mean that I imagine France's men as more well-behaved. I mean that I imagine France's women as more open-minded.
I'm American and I'm closed-minded. I would not date a really short guy. There's something inside my head that feels uncomfortable about the idea. I wish I could open up my skull with a saw, reach inside my brain, and pull out the squishy part that won't let me date someone regardless of height. I wish I could be different.
I wish I could be more like you.
Can't speak for you but everyone here seems to be dating someone tall and attractive
Maybe it's both?
Frankly, I don't really believe social media, especially to judge another country and culture, but americans in general seems to be more shallow, and think a lot more about appearances, so maybe that's why
>>64360>overcome any worldly obstacle
At 5'2? Maybe with a ladder
>>64366>americans in general seems to be more shallow
I am shallow, and it's killing me. I wish that I could date a really short guy, or an ugly guy, or a poor guy. I wish that I could be the type of open-minded person who looks past things like that. I wish that my heart was strong enough to give love and affection to anyone who deserves it, based on the contents of their hearts. But that isn't who I am, and someday my guilt will consume me.
I get ugly, because of course, no one want to be with someone they think is ugly, but poor? What does it matter? Does someone magically become better when they're richer?
When I started college I was poor, now I'm not, I'm not a different person because of my money.
I always found height a little weird too. I get if the height difference is very big, but like, it works both ways. A guy that is too tall to kiss is just weird. But just a bit shorter or taller? Why does it matter? That's like being rejected by a guy because your breasts are too big or small, or because you got long hair, or anything like that. It seems so dumb to me.
But well, you already now that, as to how to change yourself, I don't now really. You shouldn't force yourself to do something that ou don't want to do, no matter what. But this whole thing smell like internalized sexism, like a man must be tall and strong, and a women must be petite and frail. It's bad for everyone
It's not just me though, I think most women (or, at least, most women in my culture) have issues about height.
Show of hands, how many women in this thread would be willing to date a really short guy?
How many of you would be willing to date a guy who's shorter than you are?
I feel like I'm a bad person when I let a person's body outweigh their heart, but I don't feel like I'm abnormal.
My boyfriend is 5'3 but I'm practically the same height. If he was, I don't now, 4'9, yeah, it would feel weird, but honestly anyone at 4'9 feels very weird, even for women it's children height
I don't think it's that abnormal, but I don't know, from where I stand I have met some girls who are adamant about not dating someone who is shorter, but not the majority. For other it's more, how is the guy anyway? Being short is not all there is.
And besides, I knew several girls who said they'll never date a short guy, then dit it anyway, so idk
I think most women wouldn't date someone shorter than them. Or shorter than average. The problem with asking that question here is what I call the "forum effect". When someone asks something on a forum, especially one with a social penalty to giving an answer, only the small group of people with the "right" answer will reply. More fairly you should ask how many of you would and wouldn't date a short guy.
Then you're both more open-minded than me.
I apologize for moving this thread in an off-topic direction.
My point was that men who are 5'6" or shorter have a valid reason to be a little bitter.
But when I go on 4chan and see some 5'11" fuccboi dropping "blackpills" that all women are evil because he can't get a date? I am annoyed by that moid.>>64374
I might do that, someday, in a different thread. Again, I apologize for going off-topic in this thread.
Yeah, I agree with your main point. I still remember some short guys in highschool who where picked on because of it, even when they were not weird or anything. I get being bitter for it.
But still, most incels or guys I have known who had a hard time finding someone had something wrong with them and didn't try to fix it, or a hard time fixing it.
I have a lot of compassion for one or two guys friends I got. They're both a little autistic, a bit too nice with everyone, they are "weird" and I think if they were anglo they would go on 4chan. They can't get anyone, even at 25, but they're not angry at people or spouting vile nonsense saying it's women's fault.
The problem with 4chan and that kind of group is that if just promote an hateful mindset
In summation, to any moids who are lurking this website and reading this thread:
If you are 5'11" and you can't get a date, then it's your personality, not your height. You are handsome enough, now stop swallowing redpills and blackpills.
If you are 5'9" and you can't get a date, then it's probably your personality, probably not your height.
If you are 5'7" and you can't get a date, then it could go either way.
If you are 5'5" and you can't get a date, then it's probably your height, probably not your personality. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
If you are 5'3" and you can't get a date, then go to https://www.duolingo.com/
to start learning French. The women of France are waiting for you.
>>64369>Does someone magically become better when they're richer?
It's the other way around. Great people become rich and worthless people stay poorfags.
As a woman who lurked there decades ago I still feel torn apart by knowing what it was and what it is today.
At that time I thought we were a community of dissenting eccentrics just having fun in a safe space. We weren't particularly nice to each other, but pissing off wasn't the main focus either. Over time it became different. Rougher and hateful, suddenly gender was a big issue and I reduced posting to 0. Didn't visit for years.
Actually I don't mind porn, gore, politically incorrect stuff and whatnot, but I am just not made for the social dynamics that became common there.
>>64376>but they're not angry at people or spouting vile nonsense saying it's women's fault.
Or maybe they post about hating women on some obscure website. I suspect a lot of guys are like that. They know it's taboo to spout vile misogynistic things irl but when they're anonymous, that's when they show their true thoughts.
honestly all of those you listed are bursting with inironic pedos, congregating amongst themselves, sharing their fetishes proudly and making pedo-filled private servers where they exhange god knows what content, which is more shocking than anything you'd find on /pol/.
I fucking hate the /b/ boards with all the cartoon porn images.
do you guys not use filters? I hardly see cartoon porn, convinced those and the log threads etc. are to keep newfags out
being anonymous on the internet brings the worst of people
I'm surprised people still feel so negatively about 4chan today. it is massively censored and has a lot more moderation and janny abuse than even just 2 years ago. It is increasingly popular but has passed its peak of controversy and "extreme" content.
Haven't you seen all the cartoon threads on /b/ that promotes pedo stuff?
Sometimes I wonder if 4chan made me so defiled, or if it only was a catalyst of my dankiest pulsions.
>tfw got masochistic pleasure from r9k woman-hate threads
>i fantasize about egirls and other attractive women being tortured or killed
>also fantasize about brutally killing misogynistic moids
>tfw even used to feel weird sexual arousal when I saw those gore pics they posted
Was it the result of porn addiction ?
I still don't know to this day.
in times gone past it was actual pedo stuff.
You're all sensitive faggots, holy hell. I wish I had a /pol/ bf. The people on hobbyboards like /co/ are nice but there's a disproportionate amount of troons.
my big bad secret is that I have a /pol/ bf, but most of the people here aren't being that sensitive–mostly. It's pretty much mental illness for people to habitually be numb to extreme stimuli or whatever >>64493
is which I see common among 4channers. I saw a post on /pol/ that was basically a roast of a random pretty blond they knew nothing about and it was every single generic misogynistic redpill talking point.
I.e., sleeping with Chad, betabuxxing a guy she doesn't like out of desperation because of The Wall(tm), being miserable and post wall for the rest of her life or some shit.
It got dozens of "BASED! BEST THANG EVERRR!!! GENIUS!" from pol men. The one that pointed out how lowbrow it was…was called a Reddit fag. That pretty much sums up the culture there.
When you're used to seeing 100s of fucked up things a day sometimes it just makes you feel like other people are ~sheltered~ snowflakes. Just because something is as dramatic or bitchy-toned as possible doesn't make it cooler.
I grew up using 4chan a lot, and yeah the misogyny and racism and grooming and stuff sucked, but I think the biggest, worst impact it had on me was turning me into a social retard who can only truly vibe with "normal" people who are actually complete freaks (I just got out of a stupid pickmeisha tier crush on some sexually deranged guy I met in a degenerate space) or other 4chan users. I see the world through imageboard tinted lenses.
I feel like a foreigner everywhere I go, constantly code-switching and hiding my powerlevel. When I started using Lolcow and CC, they both helped me a lot. They're not perfect, but they're more sane. I don't know how much more depressed and fucked up I'd have turned out without places like this. I just wish they existed sooner.
I don't even use 4chan anywhere near as much as I used to growing up (and I don't use /r9k/ at all anymore), but in my heart, I feel like I can only be "myself" with someone who browsed it a lot, or understands the culture. And that's obviously a problem because I hate misogyny, I'm not a tradthot, and I don't like porn. I'm also not racist or truly self-hating (fuck /pol/), but I have a very racist sense of humor, and I often seethe about my own people in a way I don't see others do.
I'm dreading the day I'll master seeming like a normal woman, only to fuck it all up after calling a guy I'm flirting with a "faggot" lovingly.
Fuck, even down to being politically incorrect but not a racist piece of shit. It's so fucking hard to find someone with the same sense of humor and worldview. Made even worse by the fact that we're women.
But, I think this can be "cured", to an extent, by just logging off and being forced to socialize with normal-ass people and find different interests that have nothing to do with imageboards or the internet. It has helped me a little bit, at least, so I don't feel like the weirdest fuck around anymore.>>68876>When you're used to seeing 100s of fucked up things a day sometimes it just makes you feel like other people are ~sheltered~ snowflakes. Just because something is as dramatic or bitchy-toned as possible doesn't make it cooler.
Also this, being an edgy fag like that is just a cope and they're often more sheltered than the average person, ironically.
I just got a global ban for "doxing" myself because I posted an obviously fake phone number when an anon jokingly asked me my number. Before that I got warned for "off-topic" because I replied to someone who apparently you're never allowed to reply to on that board because he's a notorious ban evader, but it's not like I could've known that
I guess I should probably take a break from the site anyway, considering I spend most of my time on imageboards nowadays, but it's my only form of socialization and people are honestly nicer to me compared to other places. I usually only visit a few select blue board generals
This isn't a case specific to people who frequented 4chan honestly, just anyone who had unlimited internet access as a kid. It affects everyone differently depending on what kind of websites you browsed the most obviously. I probably spent less than 5 hours on 4chan and even less on other imageboards since I got a pc, but I started getting into freaky shit very quick (got into watching gore since 14 years old, look for increasingly extreme porn even younger than that, etc.).
I didn't spend all my internet time looking at all sorts of degenerate things ofc, but I feel like my sense of humor and interests are starting to get more and more specific down to the language (I mostly spend time on the english speaking websites, but I live in a non english speaking country). It's getting harder to relate to other people, but I wanna say that I haven't really developed an attraction to people equal to me in terms of internet usage.
>I don't even use 4chan anywhere near as much as I used to growing up (and I don't use /r9k/ at all anymore), but in my heart, I feel like I can only be "myself" with someone who browsed it a lot, or understands the culture.
Tbh I never truly felt like I can be myself anywhere, even on an imageboard because they still have rules and even if something I wanna say is not against them I'll still get judged, somewhat. I have to browse a number of different websites to fulfill my specific and diverse interests (not to say I'm all interesting and shit, but some stuff has communities that are polar opposites of each other and barely interact). I feel like it'll be impossible for me to bond with someone irl who I haven't been friends with since childhood. Imagine talking to someone and they ask what you're into. How do I say "look at pictures of anime girls on pinterest and tumblr, look at gore and self harm on twitter/reddit, browse a female-only imageboard and listen to metal all day long" without getting embarrassed?
Sorry for rambling, I think 60% of my post doesn't have anything to do with yours, kek
>>64121>yeah but pinkpill threads on here are totally sane though
What part? Is it being too mean or…?
also, the blackpill actually has more of the sentiment that a guy should drop the ball and give up on life. i.e., the guys will bash into one another pretty violently that they're worthless if, say…they're short. there's extreme doomerism and nihilism in it, one that I don't really see in other 'pills.
I think most of us here can agree that people can improve and their fates mostly aren't determined by their genes.
I viewed it more as accepting fate. Like sure some improvements can be made but the new shirt from Adidas or haircut isn't going to make you magically attractive. Saw it as a critique on the PUA community (which they HATE the blackpill)
The problem is that it's rarely just fate though.
Millions of such "loser" men end up finding a gf eventually but often make a total mess of it or end up perpetually dissatisfied because they want a high that they can't get.
I mean…I'd be creeped out by a guy that based his worldview from a…BLOND CHEERLEADER kissing a FOOTBALLER in HIGH SCHOOL.
This picture doesn't mean shit.
Some people bloom early some bloom at the right time some bloom late.
Those who bloom early are the teen parents
those who bloom at the right time are the average
and those who bloom late are often get the short stick in life. Maybe they have their chance during their mid to late 20s but yeah it sucks.
I use /vg/ too but damn, every single general has their own resident spammer/troll.
The same happened with me. The misogyny became so deeply ingrained in me that I wanted to be transgender. It messed with my self esteem in the real world every day because I felt inferior for being a woman. Sometimes I still hate on myself for being a woman. I can't even get a boyfriend because I feel guilty for being a "whore". I never felt that way before using imageboards.
It makes me feel better when I remember that 4chan/8chan are controlled and run by spooks and that most of the stuff they say is just mind fuckery.
yeah, that's why I warn girls away from it.
lemme drop my take of misogyny on 4chan. it may or may not help people. but it helped me recover from what I saw on 4chan. keep in mind it's mostly subjective.
so. hhem. it's a hivemind. I see MORE in-fighting or disagreements among women (particularly about the topic of men). while I've seen herd-behavior among women, it usually isn't as bad or loaded as that which I have seen among places like 4chan.
most of the criticisms they have of women are stuff men (at least in terms of psychological, neuroscientific, and other research) men either do as much as women…or do it more. being deceptive? hypocritical? that isn't exclusively feminine. it's just literally they're 100x more sensitive to such things in women than they are men.
I mean, why do you think they hate women so much for having sex? it's because they rarely have anything meaningful to actually hate about women. once in a while I actually see a good criticism of women. yes. there are many to be told. they're rarely told.
think it's good to keep in mind that misogyny is a form of porn to them, and that many are porn-addled voyeuristic zombies that are entitled towards women acting in very strict ways or appeasing them. their brains literally see women as resources to exploited and they go nuts when women at all don't act in extremely limited ways. complex or nuanced behavior from women makes a lot of guys' brains melt down..
…and then they make up some "logical" costume to hide their outrage and envy. lots of redpiller "conservatives" are hypocritical degenerates for a reason.
they're not like other people and the reason why you probably got absorbed in it is because they literally design the things they say about women to be as biting as possible. it's all an arbitrary tool to get their point across: that women are subhuman evil unworthy of being valued, only deserving of being controlled and abused. it is to make sure they limit as many women as possible from ever being happy/satisfied.
in the meantime I noticed what appeared to be girls going along with it in a weird…trauma bonding sort of way. scary stuff.
and ironically contrary to what many say, very few actually seemed to grow a thicker skin. many were harsher but also more neurotic, kind of like the lolcow crowd.
>>68991>I mean, why do you think they hate women so much for having sex?
It's because they themselves wish they were having the same amount, if not more sex.
A lack of sex does something to men. Twists them up and rots their brains. I feel kind of sorry for them. Then again, I hate them too. It's complicated.
jfc anons I made the mistake in going to 4chan, why do we do this to ourselves?
>ask benign, basic question about something I was curious about on a co-ed thread
>guy manifests out of nowhere to drop a ton of verbal abuse on me unrelated to the question; that I had no hobbies, no friends, no personality, etc.
it's crazy because I really never see this level of brutality elsewhere, even the biggest man-haters rarely are so randomly cruel.
ok I take back "brutality", that's just wimpy. I've seen worse. it was just very mean.
It's pretty depressing to see how much misogyny is on 4chan though. It's downright hostile. Reddit is often the same in many subreddits.
Simply don't go on 4chan to ask a bunch of social rejects an angry incels anything related to women, and never reveal your sex in front of them either, especially when you want their opinion and not other women's opinion (yes, there are women there and will make themselves known as soon as they feel it's safe to do so, if they're in good company, which usually happens organically on 4chan when women start talking about their own interests that moids would never be into and don't know shit about. But otherwise never reveal that you're female).>>69759
Ignore her, she obviously prides herself in being "not like the other, WEAK girls"
She tries to act like an edgy male 4channer as if that were going to get her positive male attention (perhaps she has stockholm syndrome already and is addicted to negative male attention, quite sad)