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Anonymous 77552

How am I supposed to find a guy who would like staying inside all day and every weekend playing games and watching youtube?
I dont want to have to say "i love you" or go out on dates, ever.

Dont say discord, they either wont believe you are biologically female or they'll all change their personalities to try to get nudes+attention.

Anonymous 77553

>>77552
You can't.
Introverts are forever doomed to solitude or being exploited by an abused, regardless of gender.

Anonymous 77554

I think the vast majority of males would be pretty ok with that

Anonymous 77555

>>77552
in my experience, although you can find a low-maintenance relationship online, discord's not the way to go.
i met my current partner on 4chan and we just got to talking over e-mail.

Anonymous 77558

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I don’t understand the point. If you don’t need any affection from him and he’s just there to be present and nothing else, why not get a doll instead? They’re cuter, cleaner, and they don’t ask you to do things.

Anonymous 77560

>How am I supposed to find a guy who would like staying inside all day and every weekend playing games and watching youtube?
>I dont want to have to say "i love you" or go out on dates, ever.
Then why the fuck would you want a scrote for? Either get better standards or abandon the idea of dating males forever. Preferably the latter

Anonymous 77562

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>>77558
>>77560
i don't understand this idea that you should either prefer males who're higher in extroversion or resign yourself to eternal lonliness

Anonymous 77577

>>77552
It just sounds like you want a male friend.

Anonymous 77578

>>77552
this doesn't seem unrealistic at all to me. now if you dont give him sex thats another story.

Anonymous 77581

>>77577
Yes, with benefits.

Anonymous 77582

>>77562
Most introverted guys are looking for a girl exactly like you.
But problem like I mentioned earlier is that you will never cross paths, and even if you did you wouldn't strike a conversation/friendship.

It's shitty but the reality is to go down the accept being lonely for the rest of your life path.
No one want that but at this stage of society there is just no good way for introverts to find and pair up together. You either get a non-introvert abusing relationship or you stay home alone.

Anonymous 77583

>>77582
i know more of neurotic, insecure introverted men that abuse than extroverted ones.
not saying that the latter cant be abusive as well, just that in my experience they tend to actually be more relaxed since they dont have the same complexes the r9k crowd has.
and sure there are also plenty of nice introverted men but they're rare (just as nice men are rare in general).

Anonymous 77584

>>77583
Introvert =/= incel or r9k stereotype.
Good people are rare in general. This board exist for nonas to get away from normie females irl.

Anonymous 77585

>>77584
>This board exist for nonas to get away from normie females irl.
Forgot to add as well at the end. Obviously it's not the main reason.

Anonymous 77587

>>77584
lol just because a man doesnt use r9k or the term incel to define himself possibly because he doesnt know about either, doesnt mean he cant have the same mentality.
extroverted men tend to be physically and mentally healthier, thats not a big secret. most incels are bitter introverts.

Anonymous 77588

>>77587
Of course, but that's not what I said.
What I said is just because someone is an introvert doesn't mean they are likely an incel/r9k type (regardless of what they think about themselves or where they hang out online). That's like saying just because someone is a Muslim they are likely to be ISIS.
Imo extroverts tend to overwhelmingly be normies, which in general make for bad friendships, let alone intimate relationships.
Also OP clearly want an introvert, so I don't get why we're even talking about extroverts/normies.

Anonymous 77590

>>77587
>extroverted men tend to be physically and mentally healthier
That's cool, but I do not give a single fuck about sportsball or going to crowded places to get drunk.
No extrovert would stay with a woman who is an introvert unless she is constantly putting out at home.

I want that "my lover is my best friend" type of relationship. Both of us taking days off to play Elder Scrolls 6 when it comes out, playing the same character and swapping the controller between us, then we fuck when we are done playing and having fun.
That's the dream.

Anonymous 77601

>>77552
>How
Grow up with them.
There's no other possible way once you graduate, if you didn't make that boy-friend your boyfriend then you missed out.

Anonymous 77616

>>77552
you sound like you want a neet BF. not entirely sure how you would find one, but you're more likely to find them on the internet then in real life, which means going on some website dedicated to a common male hobby would yield the best results. just be careful though, most of them are likely to be pretty nutty.

Anonymous 77617

>>77555
did you meet them on /soc/ or through a different board?

Anonymous 77625

>>77552
I don't think you should center your focus on those kinds of traits. It opens the door for a lot of losers to get through. Why is this your priority?

Anonymous 77626

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>>77590
>taking days off to play Elder Scrolls 6
>liking bethesda shit

Anonymous 77627

>>77590
You sound like you should avoid dating because you have immature reasons for wanting someone. This sounds like a child wanting a playdate.

Anonymous 77644

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>>77617
i met him on /g/ and found out later we both browse /mu/ as well
/soc/ is a shitty sausagefest of a board and is ironically the worst place on the site to meet people. very rarely will you find people posting there with legitimate intentions, not like back in the day.
if you can find a niche community on a board you like and post your e-mail without mentioning that you're a girl, someone may contact you and have an engaging conversation. if they then find out that you're a girl and start acting differently/weirdly, back off, ignore them and post a new e-mail later on. that way, you'll find someone who's open to being friends with you. if you can achieve this, you'll have laid the groundwork to a low-maintenance LDR.
what board do you browse on 4chan, nona? if you give a good idea of your interests, i could point you to some recurring threads that might help.

Anonymous 77649

>>77627
>>77627
>this sounds like a child wanting a playdate

Based

Anonymous 77662

Yeah, what are you doing OP? Playing Bethesda games day one? Have some self-respect.

Anonymous 77680

>>77662
The bugs are usually not game breaking in Bethesda games (unless it is online only on gamebryo).

Anonymous 77709

>>77644
and what, I add my email and hope people chat me up in good threads? that seems like a such a crapshoot.
>>77662
>playing bethesda games at all

Anonymous 77812

>>77552
>how do I give men exactly what they want, but without talking to any men?

Anonymous 77824

>>77709
i know exactly where you should look, the issue is, it's not a good idea for me to post it here

Anonymous 77826

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>>77824
>it's not a good idea for me to post it here
A lot of things aren't good ideas, but we still do them. I'm even more interested now, please post it.

Anonymous 77827

>>77826
reason being, is i know a moid who is basically the OP description that you'd probably like, but i'm not just gonna post his handle randomly on the internet

Anonymous 77828

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>>77827
I'm not the OP. I understand why you wouldn't post it then, and I'm salty. Where did you find this guy?

Anonymous 77829

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>>77828
i sorta e-dated him for a while
was on holiday with my family and we got a good deal on a fancy hotel - he's the night guy there and i met him when i went to get some extra towels and stuff for the room at midnight
we got to talking and discorded a bunch even after my family finished vacation
i ended up with someone else, which he took well, although sometimes, i wish the distance barrier hadn't been there, things might have gone differently… being in a LDR was too tricky for me, though

Anonymous 77830

>>77829
> i met him when i went to get some extra towels and stuff for the room at midnight
I feel like you're leaving out some details or steps.

Anonymous 77832

>>77830
not gonna greentext the whole thing, it's ancient history anyway
haven't spoken to him in over a year and i have no idea if he even still lives in that city

Anonymous 77833

>>77832
You don't have to green text the whole thing, but just how did you get to talking and all? How'd it go from grabbing towels to talking and discording?

Anonymous 77835

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>>77833
well, he had to unlock the door to reception to let me in, 'cos he was counting cash or something. i asked for more towels because we only had two
he said something along the lines of
>sorry, most of our housekeepers are fairly new, i'll go grab you some more from the storeroom
i'd worked as a housekeeper when i was 16, so we just got to talking about hotel stuff

he was speaking professionally, but not overly. the hospitable tone kinda tied into the fact that it was a regional hotel; i've stayed in some big city ones and a conversation like we had could never have happened somewhere like that.
i got the feeling he was fine with me being there, but that he was focused on getting back to work and preferred there being nobody around. not to say he was shy, but i was the one who steered the conversation over to "so what do you do outside of work, do you have a discord, etc, etc"

Anonymous 77836

>>77552
Have you tried socroulette?

Anonymous 77838

>>77835
>i was the one who steered the conversation over to "so what do you do outside of work, do you have a discord, etc, etc"
And he was okay with it? So I should just try to take the lead if I'm feeling it?

Anonymous 77839

>>77838
I doubt a guy would find that disagreeable. Are you worried about bruised egos or something?

Anonymous 77840

>>77836
NTA but I'm so confused. Do you need to browse /soc/ to use this? Has anybody here tried this?

Anonymous 77841

>>77840
No, you can make a profile without being a /soc/ lurker.

Anonymous 77844

>>77836
Don’t look for a bf on 4chan, jesus.

Anonymous 77847

>>77844
Where else would you find someone who's not a total normie?

Anonymous 77899

>>77847
non-normie males are even more psychopathic than normie males

Anonymous 77900

>>77552
Give up.

Anonymous 77906

>>77552
so most of them? just engage in hobbies where they congregate.

Anonymous 77907


Anonymous 77920

>who would like staying inside all day and every weekend playing games and watching youtube?
Why would you want to date someone like that? Sounds like a troon would be an ideal partner for you
>they'll all change their personalities to try to get nudes+attention.
I'm not sure how looking on any other platform would change that

Anonymous 77921

>>77847
what's a total normie to you?

Anonymous 77928

>>77921
Someone who's cringe and bluepilled/blackpilled vs. based and redpilled, meme illiterate, watches Toonami-tier anime, coomer, beholden to vice, materialistic, etc.

Anonymous 77933

>>77906
Such as? Can't think of anything but but videogames and thats not a real hobby.

Anonymous 77934

Use a dating app but Tinder and be honest and direct with your preference.

Anonymous 77951

>>77552
first part is easy just find a nerdy guy. second part is more difficult, the general rule is if you don't seem interested they won't be either

Anonymous 77955

>>77553
>by an abused
What did she mean by this

Anonymous 77956

>>77554
Lol not really, they all say that but in reality will look down on women who are like that. They might think you’re faking your whole identity to impress him and once he realizes its real he won't like it and think you’re a fuck up of a woman because we’re meant to be insentient mommy house cleaner after all. It’s very rare to find a male who is genuinely happy in the company of a woman let alone a neet one. But keep looking, unconventional men who don’t care about those things exist… probably

Anonymous 77961

>>77933
Yes… it is. But maybe if you're going to discredit things people love or use to wind down it's probably for the best you never find one.

Anonymous 77963

>>77961
video games aren't a real hobby and people's stupid interests should absolutely be discredited

Anonymous 77971

>>77963
Why isn't it a real hobby?

Anonymous 77977

>>77955
It's likely a typo of "abuser".

Anonymous 77978

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>>77963
I imagine you picture yourself as really interesting and having broad perspectives on many wonderful things or some such shit, but what you posted has the air of vapid narcissism.

Anonymous 78159

>>77552
There's plenty like that, but they're fucking losers

Anonymous 78183

i found mine on a bbs in the 2000s, dunno where i'd look for him nowadays cuz he's not on any social medias anymore

Anonymous 78184

>>77963
Seconding

Anonymous 78287

>>77552
Maybe try posting point of contact + interests here on CC? Not sure if that hits rule 7 or not, but from the maleposting I see getting removed from this site a lot of the lurkers want an autistic nofriends girlfriend so maybe that'd work? Also if you're expecting moids not to change their personalities to get nudes you're not being realistic about your dating prospects. Generally good people are very rare.
>>78159
Losers for losers, seems like a fit.

Anonymous 78299

>>77552
>I dont want to have to say "i love you"
then whats the point of a relationship?

Anonymous 78304

>>77552
i know a friend who is exactly like u described. if u want i can give u his contacts.

Anonymous 78321

>>78304
Who doesn't? No really, how socially isolated must one be to not know ten of this exact guy?

Anonymous 80230

>>78304
Why are you friends with him? He sounds awful.

Anonymous 80241

I've only ever gotten on female dominated discord channels

Anonymous 80242

>>77971
Video games are simply an exploitation of the brain's reward system using the instant feedback to addict the person. Hobbies are not addictions, therefore, gaming isn't a real hobby.

Anonymous 80243

>>80242
How do they exploit it anymore than another given activity, say, reading or TV?

Anonymous 80244

>>80243
>reading
The timing between the execution of an activity in a game and the feedback it provides to the user is much, much shorter than reading, because with reading you have to interpret the information, memorize it, recall it, and construct a mental picture of everything that has been presented to you to understand the story. Only after finishing this process do you get the reward.
>TV
TV is also very much exploitative.

Anonymous 80245

>>80244
Yes, and at the end of the day it's still a feedback loop.
>do activity
>enjoy it
>do it again
Is video games bad then because it just does it faster than alternatives? If anything that just sounds more effecient.

Anonymous 80246

>>80245
>it's still a feedback loop
Yes, but that's not the point as your statement makes it seem
>Is video games bad then because it just does it faster than alternatives? If anything that just sounds more effecient.
Yes. Said efficiency is precisely the problem and what makes games, and any activity which provides instant gratification, addictive. The slower the gratification comes after the activity, the less addictive it is.
>inb4 just do boring stuff instead
You have to find a balance between the effort put into an activity and the pleasure it returns

Anonymous 80247

>>80246
>Yes, but that's not the point as your statement makes it seem
Then I need a clear delineating factor, since "gives pleasure as feedback" is just what most hobbies are.
>Yes. Said efficiency is precisely the problem and what makes games, and any activity which provides instant gratification, addictive. The slower the gratification comes after the activity, the less addictive it is.
I see, and this separates other forms of consumer hobbies because…
>You have to find a balance between the effort put into an activity and the pleasure it returns
How about just having a good balance between productive hobbies and consumerist hobbies? Pretty sure anyone "addicted" to video games had what can only be described as an "addictive" personality in the first place, if it wasn't video games it would be movies, books, tv, funko-pops, shooting up meth, whatever. I'll agree with you that consumerist hobbies feel pretty shit if they're the only thing you have, but that applies to all consumerist hobbies.

Anonymous 80248

>>80247
>Then I need a clear delineating factor
"Clear" is subjective. What I said about the timing was the most clear to me
>I see, and this separates other forms of consumer hobbies because…
It doesn't separate. Consumer hobbies are all based on the mechanisms of addiction
>How about just having a good balance between productive hobbies and consumerist hobbies?
That would be a 100% productive to 0% consumerist ratio.

Anonymous 80249

>>80248
>"Clear" is subjective. What I said about the timing was the most clear to me
The timing just tells me it's more efficient. Meaningfully differentiate why it's bad simply because it does it's function more efficiently.
>It doesn't separate. Consumer hobbies are all based on the mechanisms of addiction
Ah, I see.
>That would be a 100% productive to 0% consumerist ratio.
Fair enough, no more movies, TV, reading, video games, collecting, watching plays, watching dances, listening to music.

Anonymous 80252

>>80249
>Meaningfully differentiate why it's bad simply because it does it's function more efficiently.
So, if timing does not differentiate addiction from hobby, I'd say the extent to which said activity produces in the actor a sense of irresistible need to perform those activities repetitively, or disrupting other necessary activities.
>Fair enough, no more movies, TV, reading, video games, collecting, watching plays, watching dances, listening to music.
I do not consider all those to be in the same category. The consumption of plays, dances, music differs to consumerist hobbies as these are cultural activities. In TV, while being able to broadcast the previous, those make up a small percentage of the content that is broadcasted, the rest being consumerist content. Movies are propaganda. "Reading" is too vague. Reading fiction is consumerism, but philosophy, science, etc. is productive. Video games are an addiction, otherwise they wouldn't sell. Collecting is undiagnosed OCD.

Anonymous 80254

>>80252
>So, if timing does not differentiate addiction from hobby, I'd say the extent to which said activity produces in the actor a sense of irresistible need to perform those activities repetitively, or disrupting other necessary activities.
Someone who has an addictive personality will get addicted to something, if it wasn't video games, it would be tv, if not tv, movies, if not movies, heroin.
>I do not consider all those to be in the same category. The consumption of plays, dances, music differs to consumerist hobbies as these are cultural activities.
At this point video games get referenced in cultural ceremonies at a National Level (see the Japanese Olympics opening). If at the point one of the highest institutions in a culture is referencing video games as symbol of national pride, it also becomes a cultural activity.

This leaves alone the entire concept of who the fuck determines what a "cultural activity" is.
>In TV, while being able to broadcast the previous, those make up a small percentage of the content that is broadcasted, the rest being consumerist content.
See above.
>Movies are propaganda.
Everything is propaganda, your point?
>Reading fiction is consumerism, but philosophy, science, etc. is productive.
Only if you do something with that knowledge. You can be the brainiest nerd reading every philosophy book that exists while never actively contributing anything of value. Just "reading" a non-fiction book is not a productive activity in and of itself.
>Video games are an addiction, otherwise they wouldn't sell.
Pretty sure they would sell if they were enjoyable, you know, like movies, TV, music, plays.
>Collecting is undiagnosed OCD.
I don't even know what to do with this one. I don't like collecting as a hobby either. OCD doesn't seem like the right word though.

Anonymous 80255

>>80254
There is no such thing as "addictive personality" in the DSM, nor in the ICD. But please tell me if the alternative explanation I provided does differentiate hobby and addiction.

Let's not continue on the tangent (that I started) of "culture" and propaganda.

As for your original point, it boils down to "if it's enjoyable, it's good", and that of "productive = material manifestation"

As for the first, addictions feel good, otherwise, they would exist, and yet, they are bad. Would you agree with this, in light of the definition of addiction I proposed above?

As for the second, if you painted something and stored it in your house, never to be seen by anyone, does it count as a contribution? Yet you've been productive. Productivity does not have to materialize. Becoming more knowledgeable on a subject is a product of study, and you do not need to make something out of it.

Anonymous 80256

>>80255
>There is no such thing as "addictive personality" in the DSM, nor in the ICD.
Gonna post your damn PhD while you're at it? I'll admit though "personality" is the wrong word, using layman terms for layman. Let's use "coping mechanism" instead to describe someone who has a life they hate and attempts to escape out of by any means necessary, be that books, tv, games, or drugs, depending on their socio-economic standards.
>But please tell me if the alternative explanation I provided does differentiate hobby and addiction.
Fine.
>I'd say the extent to which said activity produces in the actor a sense of irresistible need to perform those activities repetitively, or disrupting other necessary activities.
Sure, under that criteria, I have met people addicted to TV, Movies, music, reading, dieting, exercising, socializing, youtube and social media in general.
>As for your original point, it boils down to "if it's enjoyable, it's good",
At no point was my argument ever "if it it's enjoyable, it's good", my point has always been "video games are not special in their nature of feeling good". If anything the platitude "moderation in all things" definitely applies. Is there a point where video games take over someone's life? Sure. Doesn't mean no one can enjoy a video game responsibly.
>As for the second, if you painted something and stored it in your house, never to be seen by anyone, does it count as a contribution?
Yes, by definition, because something was produced. A work of art exists in absence of all observers.
>Productivity does not have to materialize. Becoming more knowledgeable on a subject is a product of study, and you do not need to make something out of it.
In your previous example the productivity physically materialized. The only time reading becomes a productive hobby is when it's saddled under something else, a good example would be writing a book. If you read books to get better at your productive hobby of writing books, then the actual hobby was writing books and the reading was just a sub-component. In and of itself, reading is not productive.

In fact, this entire arguments points succinctly against your entire construct. Reading feels productive, and can be involved in productive tasks, but you never actually have to take the next step. You can be a nice little asshat who reads your books feeling like you're so productive when don't do a damn thing about what you read. Looks like textbook "feels productive but is not actually productive" to me.

Thinking in and of itself is not a productive task. Reading in and of itself is not a productive task. However, they are both necessary for engaging in actual productive tasks, like writing or orating. Until you reach the writing or orating stage, you have not done anything productive yet.

Anonymous 80257

>>80256
To be fair, I'll introduce one caveat, which is reading religious and/or philosophy books may be productive in and of itself if you actually apply what you learn as you go about your life. Which generally does not manifest as a single task, but rather the overarching way one functions in the world.

Anonymous 80258

>>80256
>someone who has a life they hate and attempts to escape out of by any means necessary
I feel escapism is a bit farther ahead than the subject of addiction. Never before have I considered arguing about coping mechanisms, because addiction and escapism aren't necessarily related. A person can be addicted to something, know they are, and not want to continue being so because it interferes with their life that they actually like and want to enjoy.

>At no point was my argument ever "if it it's enjoyable, it's good", my point has always been "video games are not special in their nature of feeling good". If anything the platitude "moderation in all things" definitely applies. Is there a point where video games take over someone's life? Sure. Doesn't mean no one can enjoy a video game responsibly.

I now understand your point. Ok, they're not special in their way of feeling good. They are, however special in their design to achieve this feeling. More efficiently, as you put it. And, connecting to your previous extrapolation, they are special in a way they can lead a person into that state more easily.

On the subject of productivity, I think we're not going to reach an agreement any time soon, due to our perceptions of what is "productive". I have deliberately selected an example of a material production that is never seen by anyone else because admitting this is, although material, not observable, is the same as the knowledge accumulated by reading, and, being art, serves no purpose, much like not putting to use principles learned through reading.

Anonymous 80259

>>80258
Also, sorry, OP. I have turned this thread to a parallel debate while not providing advice… If you're still lurking, do you want to find that BF of yours? Go ride the bus/train and look at what guys are looking at on their phones. If you notice someone browsing anime/videa related subjects, comment on it, because they're not the type to start conversations. Also, house dates are a thing, so half of your problem is solved. Not wanting to say "I love you" will sort itself if you really like the guy. Right now it may seem like a bore to say those things, but your feelings will take over and basically force you to do it (hopefully).

Anonymous 80260

>>80258
>I feel escapism is a bit farther ahead than the subject of addiction. Never before have I considered arguing about coping mechanisms, because addiction and escapism aren't necessarily related.
I'd argue that all levels of addiction, including physical chemical dependent ones, are from coping mechanisms. This isn't a scientific article, but it covers the concept well.
>https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/19/lessons-learned-and-lost-vietnam-era-addiction-study/
Even hardcore herion addiction can stop almost instantly if your life marginally improves.

Even if you want to discount physical chemical dependencies, at the end of the day, if you start extending the definition of addiction anywhere outside of the physical chemical domain, you are immediately entering the realm of coping mechanisms.

>And, connecting to your previous extrapolation, they are special in a way they can lead a person into that state more easily.

I don't disagree at all, though I'd argue social media is far, far more addicting then even video games if this is our criteria.

>n the subject of productivity, I think we're not going to reach an agreement any time soon, due to our perceptions of what is "productive". I have deliberately selected an example of a material production that is never seen by anyone else because admitting this is, although material, not observable, is the same as the knowledge accumulated by reading, and, being art, serves no purpose, much like not putting to use principles learned through reading.

I think we agree, you're just not abstracting hard enough. I would count a blind man physically painting a canvas and immediately burning it a productive activity, because he had to stop inputting and actually external manifest an output. If you physically force yourself to paint a painting, and only you see it before burning, it's productive because an external object exists in the world. No one else has to see what you produce as a hobby, what's important is whether or not you physically take motions that are not inputs. Reading is just absorbing information with your eyes. Writing at least physically demands you use your hands and organize your thoughts into something coherent. Orating at least requires you to physically move your mouth and attempt to output something of value.

It should be noted I only use "external" at times because writing on a computer may not actually produce a physical object, but it is producing one external to you as a person.

Anonymous 80261

>>77552
I guess I'm sorry too OP, if you're still here. My advice is dating websites are awful, and your best shot is trying to find someone on a website that you enjoy mutually. (Just make sure he isn't a serial killer.)

t. married a moid I net off an imageboard

Anonymous 80262

>>80260
Ok, I see where you are coming from on the addiction subject. I have not studied the etiology of addiction, nor is it the most well researched area, so I'll leave it at that.

On the productivity, I still defend the point of reading being productive, but I do understand your point, which I think is of novelty. Absorbing information does not result in novelty, as it's transmission from one person's mind to another's. However, I posit that in the realm of the "self", this transmission adds to one's database, so to speak, therefore being productive.
But I'll leave one last argument: what if you construct a theory out of your acquired knowledge, and this theory resides in your brain, and only there. No writing, no act of registration appart from that of your memory. It's not physical nor external to your self. But it is, undoubtedly, a novelty. Is this productive?

Anonymous 80264

>>80262
>On the productivity, I still defend the point of reading being productive, but I do understand your point, which I think is of novelty.
It's not even about novelty. If your hobby is printing pictures of pokemon and tracing them on a different sheet of paper, you have a productive hobby. Not the most interesting, useful, creative, or even novel hobby, but it does produce something. For me it's about physically outputting into the world as opposed to staying coped up in your head doing anything. All the greatest philosophers in the world had to at least tell another jackass what they were thinking for it to be of any use.
>what if you construct a theory out of your acquired knowledge, and this theory resides in your brain, and only there. No writing, no act of registration appart from that of your memory. It's not physical nor external to your self. But it is, undoubtedly, a novelty. Is this productive?
No. Not until they share it with another person. Even the greatest philosophers who lived before writing had to talk out ideas with each other to get anywhere. I will say it's a necessary component of being productive. Writing a book without reading anything certainly sounds like it wouldn't work. Similar to talking without thinking. I think the greatest mid-wit trap in the world is thinking that reading in isolation is productive though.

Anonymous 80265

>>80264
Well, hmm, I would count the theory as productive if they articulated it well enough that they could physically recite what their theory was, even if it was only to themselves. So I suppose talking to yourself is also a productive hobby under my criteria, though people tend to look at you funny if you engage in it.

Anonymous 80266

>>80264
>>80265
So this is the fundamental cleavage between our thoughts. Physical manifestation of the activity, according to you. Individual experience, according to me.
I don't even like reading per se, only if it advances my purposes. I do like arguing, tho.

Anonymous 80267

>>80266
>So this is the fundamental cleavage between our thoughts. Physical manifestation of the activity, according to you. Individual experience, according to me.
I suppose, I don't separate physical manifestation from "individual experience". I don't even know how you'd support that position outside of a spiritual sense.
>I don't even like reading per se, only if it advances my purposes. I do like arguing, tho.
I like reading a little I guess, it certainly isn't productive though. I enjoy on some level arguing on the internet, else I wouldn't engage in it, yet it's a pretty shitty hobby.

Anonymous 80268

I bet both these two arguing are moids

Anonymous 80269

>>80268
Then follow the rules of the website, report and move on nona.

Anonymous 80374

>I dont want to have to say "i love you" or go out on dates, ever.

So like OP are you just not really into the whole intimacy thing? Cuz if so you're gonna be in for a rough time. A lot of guys expect that sort of thing when they get into the whole thing. I kind of these days just pretend to be autistic so guys are already prepared for me to be abnormal before they get involved with me. I think it's a good filter… I'm not suggesting you should do it though. I guess you just need to go to a dating site. But fuck that also sounds like ropefuel…. idk

Anonymous 80477

>>77590
Idk why everyone is so bitter towards you
that's valid

80497

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>>77590
>>80477
I’m a huge introvert but what the other nona said is kinda true. I used to like introverted loner type men who stay in a lot and have nerdy hobbies because I thought extroverted men were assholes. But after dating a couple such guys I’ve realized men who like that always spend a huge amount of time on the internet, and subsequently almost always become creeps, weirdos, porn addicts with fucked up fetishes or racist polcels. I think it’s partly the negative feedback loop from other weirdos online and the lack of a voice of moderation. Guys who use 4chan are the worst for this because it’s such an echo chamber of degeneracy and antisocial behavior that results in normalisation of abnormality.

I kind of shudder when I think about all those shy nerdy ‘nice guys’ who actually spend all day bitching about women and browsing violent porn on reddit and /gif/ and ranting about how the age of consent should be made 10. I also find many introverted men are simply covert narcissists. (pic rel)

Extroverted men certainly suck in many ways, for instance they can be loud, boorish, more capable of cheating, tiring to be around etc.
But in many ways they are, as nona said, physically and mentally healthier than introverted men.



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