I literally constantly think. I can genuinely imagine massive stories and scenarios vividly, all while simply walking to the bus stop. I often am completely detached from reality, other than simply walking/staring because i am fantasizing something. I constantly think about the inner workings of stuff. For example if i see a car i start thinking of how it's engines work, if i see a musket on a parade i start thinking of it's mechanisms.
Often while i imagine an apple i can kinda taste it? Idk how to explain.
I've been told it's because i am autistic, but i always thought everyone was capable of this.
I randomly went on 4chan's /x/ when i saw this thread discussing it. Someone mentioned seeing the "static", and i instantly knew what they were talking about.
So i was wondering. Am i the weird one or can the majority of people do these things?
That's just how you think. You lean towards analytical thinking styles and there's certainly nothing wrong or pathological with that.
related to the image. idk i can imagine the apple image and i see it in my head but it only flickers until i see just the black of my eyelids. when i try to sleep, i like to imagine entire stories. its how i get to sleep. i did it since i was a kid and the story would progress every night. once i was bored of that one, id pick a new one. when i was younger, these stories usually were about me discovering i had a power or something then when i was a teenager id imagine a hot demon bf who i could see his horns and tail but no one else could and he was a new student at my highschool- recently ive been going to sleep on drugs tho so no stories in my mind for now.
I see 2. Like a real apple but in a low light / low quality youtube way. Probably if I concentrate I can get closer to a 1. Definitely not a vague idea of it anyway.
I see a flash of an apple I have already seen. Probably the second most recent apple I've seen? It's a single frame of a bunch of apples at the store and another frame of me holding one of the apples.
I don't know which is majority but it blew my mind that not all people have an inner monologue. It was until I saw it in the ricky gervais show and in some 4chan threads that I found out it's not as common as I thought.
I really can't imagine how people think if not by picturing and hearing scenarios in their mind. It's the kind of thing that I would love to see more research about.
Also I see that the people that have more vivid mind are usually the types to browse boards and have more niche interest (i.e. nerds) and normies tend to be on the 4s and 5s.
It's a shame that this only recently (in the past few years) have people been talking about this. I'd be really interested to see if people from centuries ago had higher prevalence of inner monologues or less. I'd imagine people in like the 1800s had a lot more "thinkers" than today but what about then compared to medieval times (as extreme religion may have subconsciously shut down people's inner thoughts).
I'm a 1 but it makes sense because I'm an artfag. The first I heard of people being unable to visualize things was when I was 17 and my friend's bf of the time was amazed by anyone being able to just imagine and draw shit. Prior to that I assumed everyone was fantasizing like me.
Idk if OP is still here but my brain is like that, too, save for mechanics. Replace that with deconstructing everything into shapes that I could draw and it's exact. Shamefully, sometimes I lose myself in stories during conversations. The storylines themselves also used to be more diverse but since adulthood I use my powers to have intense horny daydreams constantly. Double shameful. But I also have a cast of characters who I regularly imagine acting out an actual plot.
My life quality would definitely be lower if I were not like this. I'm never bored and my social needs are very low due to being able to just imagine talking to imaginary people.
its normal and the majority of ppl are capable of it (like tasting something if you imagine it is a well documented phenomenon, a lot of ppl are thinking about something that matters to them, no matter how trivial it is, and ignore their surroundings - like when you talk to them they dont listen, etc). if you didnt think at all it would be much more disturbing and in some way "unusual" - because it is a symptom of clinical depression (fun fact btw: Carlos Castaneda has written that shutting off ones thoughts is necessary in order to become a ""warrior"")
though your concentration on the "inner workings of stuff" is pretty unusual, most people think about some more routinely topics.
im a 5 i just "gaslight" myself into thinking i see things when i really dont. i hear things instead i think ( the irony in that being my hallucinations LOL )
i dont mind it id rather have other people think for me anyway ^_^
It was very surprising to me as well to learn it. When I write I picture a character's appearance in detail right down to the outfit and what colors would look good together. When I am driving or walking my mind is constantly going, sometimes I space out or go off on mental tangents but it is always going. It is kind of hard for me to even imagine what it would be like to not do this. I still kind of don't really believe it honestly even though OP's pic is baffling to me.
for me it depends, when im clear-headed i can see at a 1, maybe a 2 or 3 if im not familiar with what i m trying to think of. objects are usually clearer than people unless its someone especially close to me. when im tired i see at 4, and the images kinda taper off and fizzle at the edges. if im overstimulated or hyper then i see at a 2-3 but the backgrounds are more "floaty", like if im imagining a tree then the leaves might fall off but look like liquid or clay, and the colors will be more vibrant.
if it matters, ive always been able to notice things irl that others might not, have been drawing from an early age, and am almost always daydreaming. my daydreams used to be more literary instead of visual so its most likely just a super trained part of my brain lol.
I'm like OP and tend to daydream a lot (probably on the spectrum somewhere) but I never imagine characters or locations when I read a book. Whenever I read something it's just me understanding the words unless I force myself to picture it. I never have the issue that some people do where the movie characters are different from what they imagined. In fact, sometimes I like to read the movie first because that way I have something to try and picture.
Is anyone else like this?
Probably. I visualize the entire story though, to the point where sometimes I'd become self aware and stop and begin seeing words again. Then again I can also see the first apple and can also rotate it and put it anywhere I'd like so it's probably due to that. What do your daydreams look like?
I think most people have less active imaginations. I regularly get super into 'daydreams' like you're describing while walking around, and everyone seems surprised when I don't hear/notice them right away. Also I sometimes end up mouthing words if I'm thinking about explaining things, which looks like I'm talking to myself and is generally considered strange…I don't think I'm full autistic though. Pretty sure I have ADD (inattentive) which has a lot of overlap in symptoms I think?
when someone takes forever to say something and you're in person so you can't distract yourself, do you feel a bit like you're going crazy?
I've started trying to actively pay attention to the outside world for small segments of time. "mindfulness training'. I really like having an active internal world, but I think if you don't connect with the outside world and train that often enough it results in bad mental health.
I’ve been trying to think of an answer to this since you posted it but I think most of my daydreams are just me spacing out into nothing. Occasionally I will imagine me doing something amazing like winning an Oscar but for the most part it’s like my brain taking a nap.
I remember seeing something about people who can only see 4 or 5 being NPC's. It's insane to me that some people can't just visualize objects or people or places, or hear sentences other people have said to them in their head. Makes me wonder how these people use critical thinking skills, or even come up with ideas on their own or plan for future activities
I saw a woman make a thread on mumsnet the other day saying she was a 5 but also an artist. Really weird.
Yes, I'm the same way, I don't really visualize things I'm reading either. I might make a picture of a character in my head but that's it. I am bad at describing things in my writing because of it. I don't really need description, being told two people are sitting on the couch talking is all the information I need to set a scene. But I forget people want a lot more information because they want/need to paint a picture in their head.
I am 4/5 and I am definitely not an npc - I am more original that 4choids will ever hope to be. I think the best way to describe what I see when imagining an object is it being "dynamic" instead of static. Like I can only see them in change/having the potential to change, so they can't really appear as vivid as an actual object in my head. At best they can be blurry. This could be the result of me putting more emphasis on the details and viewing the object as a system instead of a holistic thing, thus downgrading the quality&speed of my visualization. I am very good at understanding complex structures though.
I'm a 5, I think this exercise is a fraud. Why should you even be ABLE to see things exactly as they are by imagination? Wouldn't it render the real world useless? This exercise certainly doesn't prove being an "NPC". In fact it's funny how all you guys just fell for it.
I think I'm a 3 or a 4. For the first 8ish years of my life, I didn't see images in my head but when I thought I saw it like words on a page, I don't know if that effects anything. I wonder if it's influenced by how much visual stimuli you got in your early years VS other types of stimuli
I thought 1 was the standard for most of my life until I tried explaining how to make a dovetail joint on a wooden box and just got blank looks. I just assumed everyone could imagine and rotate 3D objects in their mind, then I find out most people I know can't even see a 2D image.
You might be interested to look up maladaptive daydreaming. That's what it sounds like to me. Although I don't have it and I can taste things in my mind and see things in detail. It's just the story part that makes me think it's maladaptive daydreaming.
And the static thing sounds like visual snow, which can be caused by taking certain psychedelic drugs. Who knows though <:-) good luck anon.
I think being a 1 comes with pros and cons. I can imagine the apple, I can spin it and I can put it on a tree or on the ground; anywhere. I can taste it and smell it and put my fingernails through it and feel the sticky juices. But I also maladaptively daydream a lot. I don't actually know if this is related to being a 1 though, or if I'm just mentally fucked and chasing escapist ideals. I wonder if 5s can train themselves to go towards 1? Or maybe you need to be at least a 4 to go towards 1.
I'm also a 1 and I've been a maladaptive daydreamer my entire life. I wonder if 1s are just prone to maladaptive daydreaming because we have the option? Just a thought I had. Still not convinced there's people who see nothing, or a very low-res apple. I thought everyone had the ability to imagine vividly unless you literally have a disorder or something.
Yep, 1 and also a maladaptive daydreamer
two things for you to look up: synesthesia and visual snow syndrome
I imagine there's no reason "maladaptive daydreaming" is not analogous to "maladaptive daynarrating" that anyone with an internal monologue and a 5 on the scale is.
Everyone and their mom seems to be self dx’ing themselves as maladaptive daydreamers lol…
Yes you're the weird one, you're an idiot
Spoken like a true 5.
Anybody who says they can't see anything is probably lying tbh.
>>5198>Why should you even be ABLE to see things exactly as they are by imagination?
Having a more vivid imagination is very useful. Being able to turn objects in your head and plan things in your mind, a mental map you can use and manipulate. also for entertainment. >Wouldn't it render the real world useless?
No, are you dumb?
Imagining you eat an apple doesn't mean you get fed.
Imagining you are in a warm house doesn't protect you from the elements.
Imagining you go to work and make money doesn't make you rich.
You get the happy chemicals from doing real things. I can fantasize about my anime husbando all day but its nothing compared to the real thing.
WHY would it render the real world useless? Keep coping, 5. >This exercise certainly doesn't prove being an "NPC". In fact it's funny how all you guys just fell for it.
No it isn't, internet meme, and just a way to pick on others. Watching you try and cope so hard just proved YOU are an NPC though.
I'm very jealous of op. I don't think at all, just block my thoughts with media.
D-did you know that having an imagination makes you dysfunctional?
Shh shh, quiet thoughts, take this speed for you "ADHD"…
…And r*dditors who like to think they're special with self DX themselves as being this fake illness to feel special.
Social media is all about perpetuating the mental illness and neurodivergence lie, whatdya think tiktok was made for? Its all so you go to a psychiatrist to get meds for your nonexistent illness to keep you from doing something about the shit world that is causing your problems.
In defense of this, female autism and similar issues have become a lot more widely understood because of the internet and sites like reddit. There's obviously some stupid people but there's that in every community.
I do agree about people being over medicated though. I think strategies to overcome issues should be prioritized and medication seen as a last resort.
I used to retreat into my head till about the age of 19? It cost me pretty much my sanity. a lot of my life doesn’t match up with the scenarios in my head over the years. It’s fun if you invest in your life while doing it from time to time, like bored at school or something. But definetly not wise to live in there like i did. I’m 22 now and the last time i had a full on session was 2 years ago i think, i don’t conjure up imaginary worlds anymore since the stress of life caught up to me and i’m dealing with extreme depression.
Yes i’m a maladaptive dreamer (Eh used to be)
this makes me feel so better to hear. I've struggled with a bit of an addiction to living in scenarios in my head instead of the real world, to the point where I used to lose whole days to it
I'd gone years without doing it and thought it was behind me, until I got hit with the worst case of infatuation in my life. But I managed to pull myself out of it and I'm 'clean' again.
What's really frustrating is that I write fiction as a hobby, but it can be really hard to activate this talent for the purpose of filling out and engaging with my worlds. I can only do it regarding banal, mundane every-day shit
Glad you relate, its always nice to not feel alone. I suppose balancing it out and doing it for fun every now and then is the way to go rather than going completely clean at once. The first step to not let it consume your life is being aware of it and you already have that down.>I can only do it regarding banal, mundane every-day shit
Same lol, it was all self indulgent fantasies for me, nothing really worth sharing or turning into art.
The static is just something called visual snow. I have it too. It's strongly associated with autism
I relate to this but im not autistic. i was also on 4chan and saw other people mentioning this and it seems at least somewhat common. I am schizophrenic if thats a factor in this but im medicated and it seems like other neurotypical people experience this just as much.
something i dont know if other people relate to or not though, is not being able to see in real life when im seeing in my head. ive never asked anyone about this before so i would love to know if you cant see in your head and in real life at the same time either.
For me it's like I only have so much attention. I can see reality and my imagination both at 50% clarity or I can see only one at 100% vividness. I can't see both 100% at the same time.