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The belief that when someones dies they "go to a better place" Anonymous 5728

So this has been on my mind for weeks now, and I'm wondering what exactly the implications for this saying is. For religious people especially, there's the notion that when someone dies they go to heaven where everything is better and there's no more pain. Even some non-religious people have this idea that you at least gain a sense of peace and "ascend" to a higher, better place. And I've just been wondering, if such a god or creator or whatever exists, why the hell did they make Earth rife with suffering that only through death can you be at peace? Like what about the rest of us living people, do we not deserve happiness too? Why do we have to die in order to go to this so called better place?

Anonymous 5729

When you are free from your mortality and from the existence as a concept - I think it might be really better

Anonymous 5731

Well because religious people, especially those who believe in the abrahamic religions think this place IS suffering and a punishment, mortality and life are not valued because according to them we’re not supposed to be here in the first place but we are because adam and eve ate the forbidden fruit. As for non religious part of it, what >>5729 said.

Anonymous 5732

There is also the Islamic belief that we were put here to fulfil our purpose and that living is not meant to be suffering but a noble act. I personally like this view the most.

Anonymous 5733

>>5732
The “purpose” is worshipping god and being a muslim to go back to him in the end because life on earth is worthless. Stop romanticizing it it’s the same damn thing kek

Anonymous 5734

>>5728
I'm glad you managed to take your first step into existential thought OP, best of luck on where that takes you.

Anonymous 5735

>>5731
>those who believe in the abrahamic religions think this place IS suffering and a punishment, mortality and life are not valued
that's not quite right, or at least for Christians it isn't. it's less like living is inherently unbearable so much as it is currently in the state of being severely flawed, and after the apocalypse and what not, it will all be fixed. In the mean time, everyone stays in the waiting rooms of either heaven or hell, with the former waiting for their resurrections after going through their first time of being alive.

Anonymous 5737

>>5735
Like i said, living as it is here on earth is not a priority or precious to religious folk because heaven is the ultimate goal. i might get the specifics wrong and every individual delusional religionfag has their own feelings about their doctrines but they all believe there is a better place is my point. Implying that this is not a good enough place. Also why would there be hell or heaven if its all gonna be fixed?

Anonymous 5738

>>5731
For Islam that’s not the case, life is definitely not viewed as punishment since there’s no concept of original sin. In Islam humans living on earth isn’t an accident or the result of Adam and Eve, humans were made to replace jinn the earth was always there iirc. At best the current life is described as one long test/trial. But Islam doesn’t demonise living, death is just seen as slightly better, the afterlife hinges on where you end up.

>>5732
idk where you got that from. The purpose is in Islam is mostly worship but even then devoting every waking hour to worship isn’t seen as a good thing either based on this one hadith. Scientific advancements and discoveries is kind of held in high regards.

Anonymous 5746

It's just a way to get the proles to behave. "Be good now or no sweets later" stretched out to an entire lifetime.

Anonymous 5747

>>5738
>Scientific advancements and discoveries is kind of held in high regards.
So they can find some obscure line in the qu'ran that is vaguely similar and then use that to justify the qu'ran being the word of god.

Anonymous 5748

>>5737
>Like i said, living as it is here on earth is not a priority or precious to religious folk because heaven is the ultimate goal.
that's not quite right either. while certainly it's not quite as good as what comes after, life as it currently is still possesses some genuine worth since it holds much of what's to come after (albeit buried under a mountain of issues). the spiritual joys, for lack of a better term, are still present in the current life and are merely obscured, with the new heaven and new earth being a promise of refinement of existence.
>i might get the specifics wrong and every individual delusional religionfag has their own feelings about their doctrines but they all believe there is a better place is my point. Implying that this is not a good enough place.
sorry, i misunderstood, i thought what you were trying to say was that all Abrahamic religions viewed life and physical existence as a burden in of itself, and sought to be rid of it. It's a rather common accusation, and while i can't say for certain about other Abrahamic religions, it is rather unfounded in the case of Christianity, since it has an explicit hope for a second period of being clothed in flesh, except with all of the kinks ironed-out so to speak.
>Also why would there be hell or heaven if its all gonna be fixed?
like i said in my first post, they're supposed to be waiting rooms of a sort, which they'll come out of on judgement day.

Anonymous 5749

>>5737
>i might get the specifics wrong and every individual delusional religionfag has their own feelings about their doctrines but they all believe there is a better place is my point.
Generally they believe there's a worse and a better place. Your framework makes sense only if you complete close out the concept of hell.

Yes, you are correct, if everyone alive was blanket guaranteed to go to heaven then life is just shitty heaven, is directly inferior, and doesn't do anything. What causes the general distinction is the concept that being alive is a sorting procedure that then decides where you go. A "test" as it were. I'm certain there are some beliefs that have only one post-life termination point, but your mis-characterizing vast amounts of the world's religions if you ignore the concept of hell.

Anonymous 5783

If you're talking about suffering inflicted by other people, God gave us freewill to do what we chose, so people have the option to inflict suffering if they want. Evil is the absence of good.

Anonymous 5784

>>5749
I’m not ignoring it kek it was just not part of OP’s question so i was addressing the better place part. I don’t really care for mischaracterization so i lump all these religions together because at their core, all of them are about control power and faggotry among other things.

Anonymous 5992

OP here, there have been some interesting replies, and I just wanted to add that I'm not sure what's more frightening, the prospect of there being some kind of an afterlife, or there being absolute nothingness. I think for people who feel comfort at the idea that after death there is nothing and they'll be freed from existence, an afterlife sounds like torture. Also, if there were to be some kind of eternal, blissful paradise after we die, I'd actually feel really angry, because why the hell has this paradise not been here in the first place for us back down on Earth? Why all the needless suffering and pain, if such a great perfect place existed and we haven't been able to get to it, only through death where we leave our loved ones? That actually sounds pretty cruel. I'm surprised that people don't realise what this entails, if they believe in an afterlife, that we were stuck on this torturous planet for millions of years, and they feel happy that well at least there's some peace when we die. I'd be furious if that was the case. Stuff like this makes me wonder if we're really not supposed to be here, that our life on Earth was kinda a mistake. I mean we know reality is an illusion to some extent. It's upsetting and disturbing to me that we can't achieve peace on this planet, that only through hope that there's something better when we die brings relief to us. When people say "at least they've moved on to a better place" when someone dies, that seems to me like a crack in the facade so to say, that life is good here and we're glad to be alive - otherwise why would we need to talk about this "better place"?

God I'm so sorry for this long ass rambling post lol. I go into rabbit holes when I think about this topic

Anonymous 5996

>>5728
Because back when these beliefs became super popular people lived awful, painful lives, especially the poor. Poor people were the most religious for a reason, they thought if they acted stoic and did the work they were meant to do and faced abuse from daily living that they would someday be saved and go on to live a beautiful, painless life.
It was probably also a way to cope with death that was all around you, watching your infants/toddlers die when you hoped they'd survive, watching parents and siblings die, your loved ones, etc. Hoping that they didn't suffer for nothing.
It is an interesting question; why does God make us suffer? People have interpreted it as being a test of fortitude, I guess. It's a way of coping. The real answer is this is all a way to cope with death, as experiencing death is traumatizing. Watching people get sick and waste away, when people die of sudden horrible accidents, watching poor drunkards die in the streets, the outskirts of your village a battlefield for land skirmishes, etc. It's just a coping mechanism.

Anonymous 5998

ntayrt
>>5994
>Life is hell, designed to forge your soul for your own version of heaven
My only concern with this model of heaven is that when a finite test determines an infinity, it seems incredibly unfair. It's worse than taking a test that's a millisecond and accidentally blinking and then being punished for billions of years. I just hope the afterlife allows for additional opportunities for growth and reconciliation if there are 'layers', as most religions seem to understand it.
>Much like the US justice system
LMAO



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