Cliches in media that bug you. Anonymous 22667
What are some cliches in media that you want to see less of? No matter of story, characters, world building, design, cliches about everything is accepted here. The discussion is open.
Traumatizing the character and pretending that's development. I'm watching fucking True Blood (spoilers duh) and it's just disgusting what they are doing with Tara, she was one of the coolest characters and you would think you're going to watch her grow as a person and stuff but nope, she needs to find love, then be manipulated by a witch or goddess or whatever, then her boyfriend is killed, then she is kidnapped, raped, tortured, and it just keeps adding shit up and for what?? Seriously I can't take this shit anymore it's just fucking ridiculous.
t.ranny vibes>from what show is she?
Learn to read
eggs death is so fucking bothersome it haunted me for the rest of the series just cause why
Romance/sex being the reason why MC bothers to do anything. Would really love more media without either.
Its terrible when only mildly bad things happen to a character though… Rape should just be censored to hell. Male directors just fetishized it its not even necessary. But I'm bored by characters who's only negative experiences involve drama. They can't talk about anything that's truly bad. Nobody wants to watch something that plays it safe. Why would I want to watch something that's that bored and uninspired.
You can't have good conflict without depth, you can't have a story without conflict. People take it way too far sometimes, but I hate censorship aiming to rip the brains out of everything for fits of hysteria. Flat characters…. feel worse than shopping at dollar general for a birthday gift.. not much thought went into it. Its like here's this cheap thing from the drugstore. Have a nice life I guess…
I'm also bothered by the unneeded use of rape or sexual trauma.Yes, I know that rape happens in real life and that it has a lot of negative effects on the person that could be discussed, but when it's so much overused and fetishized it becomes unberable.
Male characters have so many cool backstories and if you check the female ones 40% to 50% involve rape.
fuck anon yes you are so right. i loved the series outlander until jamie gets tortured, raped, and manipulated by that evil guy. and then he cant even bare to look at his lovers eyes cuz the rapist traumatized him with her perfume or some shit. lazy as f storytelling
one that annoys me is those movies where there's a high school girl that's supposedly super ugly that's really beautiful but then has a makeover where she gets even more beautiful and finally acknowledged by everyone.
it isn't the "Hollywood ugly/normal people ugly" disconnect but more what it teaches.
The protagonist is usually smart, talented, witty, AND beautiful with pretty much no actual issues besides being insecure and low status. They are hardly ever the real underdog..but then this is sold as a story for underdogs. It's like a very twisted up version of hero worship with a normie label slapped on it–reinforcing the status quo and people's insecurities in a disingenuous way. Also, a movie trying to flip-off shallow people by…the main character being hotter than them is very two-faced tbh.
Main boy gets with main girl. Canon het romances. Canon romances in general. They very rarely add to the story for me.
>>22688>They are hardly ever the real underdog..but then this is sold as a story for underdogs
In a similar vein, throughout my childhood it made me feel really bad that media would depict people as total losers for "only" having like two or three friends, since I usually didn't have any. The social outcasts aren't the people who get occasionally picked on by Chad/Stacy but have a small circle of close friends, they're the people who go entirely unnoticed throughout life.
I get that it's easier to write an appealing story when the protagonist has friends, I'm not saying everything has to be about autists and rejects, just that they don't have to dramatize them as huge failures just for not being 100% glamorous.
I really loved that show! But I hated when this happened. It is mind boggling to me how much writers like that have no self-awareness. I wouldn't say its lazy just gratuitous sadism. How the fuck do they figure it is a good idea to include in any kind of writing? Its just sadism
Still I loved most of outlander. Most of it wasn't like that, so I skipped parts I hated. I cannot genuinely hate that show, even though bits of it are ridiculous. Too much of it is also really good kek.
Slightly similar issue for me is when movies depict a "poor person" or "poor family", who happen to live in either a nice suburban home with a car, or a nice studio apartment in a metropolitan area.
Like, I get that those hollywood fucks have never met a poor person before, but come on, at least try.
I don't think those moves are made to talk about poor people issues, they're movies about lower middle class normies who think they're poor and can wallow in self victimhood for a bit.
Male-female childhood friendship that lasts for years or decades. They aren't anywhere near as common as media (especially movies and anime) portray them. I think they only exist 1 as wish fulfilment for those that always dreamed about having a friend/love interest of the opposite sex and 2 as a way to pander to both audiences since you have both a male and a female main character.
Family love being the main drive to do something. So many people have fucked up families can’t relate to this. It’s ok from time to time but these days it’s really overused. Just save the world because it needs saved.
Pretty much everything in anime now. The voice actors, the way they sound, the way they talk in japanese. It didn't used to be this way. I don't know how to explain it I just feel like anime has become so inundated with cliche I can't enjoy it anymore. A few rare ones from really great studios are not like that but the vast majority is just crap. I guess I really liked Demon Slayer. That was so inundated with cliches it was hard for me to warm up to it though. I miss the wierd japan, that did ridiculous things. The whole reason I watched anime was because it was so out there. The japanese just do such wierd things. I KNOW they have a wierd creativity, that they can take in insane directions. What am I trying to say.. I guess that is suppressed a lot more now?
Then again there are some animes, like K-on, that had cliches but never emphasized them enough for me to notice.
Yeah if anything both boys and girls tend to like and look up to teenagers of the opposite sex not so much the other gender at the same age as them. At least that's been my onservation.
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Basically media where horrible shit happens with no insight or commentary on the issue other than "This bad :(((", it's almost always cheap shock value, voyeuristic and most importantly completely unrealistic. This shit gets praised for being deep so often that I think these people just want an excuse to get off to it, the authors obviously are doing it already.
Best example I can think of is Emergence, which is a hentai and very obviously made for creeps who jerk off to girls suffering, and the author literally goes out of his way to have the main character make retarded decisions to continue her suffering but because it has "dark" themes faggots act like it's some artistic statement and not degenerate porn.
It reminds me of Game of Thrones (spoilers duh) when Jaime (a character they spent like 4 seasons developing as sympathetic and troubled by the things he did) just rapes Cersei in the middle of a funeral in front of the deceased corpse of their dead son. It was so fucking stupid, it didn't match the character, or the story or anything at all. It was like the episode quota of sexual violence had to be filled so they just decided to roll with it. I mean, one of the things I loved about the show was that Jaime-Cersei relationship was GOOD (yes they tried to kill Bran to keep him from telling but if Bran told anyone they would be dead and their children would be no-name Waters at best if Robert didn't kill them too) like almost every single action from Jaime was to protect their relationship. It was a genuine, taboo-breaking relationship with tons of nuance and they just ruined for nothing.>>22679
It made me think of Key the Metal Idol (a very weird cyberpunk anime that almost feels like a bootleg from Evangelion and Ghost in the Shell but it preceded them both), the anime is full of random sexual violence that comes out of nowhere merely for fetishistic purposes, totally out of place and killing the general mood of the anime.>>22688
Basically every single Netflix movie about outcasts.
I can't stand western audiences shitting on animes that don't resonate with their lives because THEY ARE INTENDED FOR JAPANESE AUDIENCES, ATTENDING THE SPECIFIC PECULIARITIES OF JAPANESE SOCIETY FOR FUCK SAKE. Like those cunts bitching about a joke a creator of Serial Experiments Lain made at a Digimon event about cancel culture, they simply CAN'T get their heads off their butts and consider that there might certain aspects of JAPANESE MEDIA that make more sense in Japan than in the US, or Europe, or wherever the fuck the dumb cunts are from. Btw if you wanna watch something cool i recommend Aku no Hana.
uhh, not sure why the person that responded seemed to say something different than the other person they supposedly agreed with
She's saying Japanese media is "strange" because its made for Japanese society and its cultural differences. "God get over it that its weird.."
Not any of those anons, but Japanese people definitely
don't talk or move like 90% of anime characters in real life. At least not in such an overly exaggerated way. So I wouldn't attribute that part to "Japanese culture" or cultural differences. That'd be like saying that Anglo people in real life talk and act like CalArts cartoon characters.
You just acclimated to how weird anime is. Things that seemed strange to you are now cliches. While I would state there's probably been some mild reduction in the range of anime tone and subject matter, most of it is, literally, you.>>22788
I would agree with you, you can only watch so many "wacky Japanese gameshows" until you realize, that's the default
. That's just how it is.
she still has a bit of a point about a lot of the recent stuff basically just being weaponized pandering playing to very specific tropes and moefuel. even higher quality ones often play into it.
think calling it "weird" is reductive though…I think it was just a freer creativity, for example a lot of older anime doesn't at all remind me of how Japan's mainstream culture ACTUALLY is and makes me wonder what influences they had.
>>22805>influences they had
Massive amounts of money was flowing in, it wasn't that the influences were different, it was that the barrier for entry was so low any chucklefuck with enoughfriends could release an OVA series and make a buck. After the bubble popped anime homogenized because the economic risks were higher.
really? I'd think the modern moeblob creators are way more likely to have been inspired by other moeblob content.
Again, this is because profit margins are tighter, and producers are more risk averse. Producers see moeblob sells, producers request more moeblobs be created. While I have no doubt that a lot of animators are "inspired" from moeblob shit, so too did Miyazaki watch the same movie a dozen times as a kid for his waifu.
I don't really understand this as moeblob stuff these days isn't a carbon copy of the stuff that used to exist, etc. Feel free to tell me what moeblob content Miyazaki was inspired by tho.
The influences they had were literature, film, music, and real life (not just from Japan but from all over the world).
The influences they have now are mostly just otaku shit. Miyazaki and Anno have criticized this IIRC.
>>22813>I don't really understand this as moeblob stuff these days isn't a carbon copy of the stuff that used to exist
No, it's not an exact copy, but it is in fact an inferior copy. Tsundere and Kuudere for example, often come from the Asuka/Rei archetype (and those two characters themselves, if I'm not mistaken, were meant to be deconstructions of charatcer archetypes that already existed back then, as well as Misato)
This is EXACTLY what I was referring to.
Got a little lost in my head over there. What I meant is that the reason anime is getting full of cliche crap is because they are targeting a much larger western audience, removing all the cool stuff it used to have because western people think they're the center of the world and get angry when they fail to comprehend something.