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AI slop Anonymous 35248
Are other women actually into AI images and chatbots and stuff? I’ve noticed some talk of it here and other spaces I’m in and I just don’t get it. It creeps me out in part because the stuff AI bots pump out is super uncanny and disturbing because it has no real common sense, and partly because 99% of people I’ve seen who like and use it are wannabe techbro moids with zero skills or value like in picrel.
Anonymous 35249
>>35248Lots of the husbando crowd is into it for the chatbots on sites CharacterAi and Chai. I’ll say that I’m not majorly into the husbando stuff but I do like talking to characters on Chatbot sites. Generative AI worries me though, there was already the Taylor Swift deepfake stuff and it can make realistic security footage which is only giving me red flags about where it will go. Lots of people are into AI songs as well you can make on sites like Suno, Suno in particular is getting pretty hard to distinguish from real music
Anonymous 35251
Definitely not me.
I hate LLM generated slop. I wish websites would ban it. There's no reason not to.
>"hurr durr you're just like the people who resisted [some old technology that was actually innovative]"
Yeah right, horrific remashes of mostly mediocre slop thats already all over the Internet. Thats gonna lead to a cancer cure any day now!
I hate tech bros.
Anonymous 35252
I unironically find AI art to have more soul than most human art.
There's still good human artist.
but 99.99% of artists are just shitting out variations of copyrighted characters(that they don't own the copyright to), because people are addicted to consumer slop, and circumventing it with shit like Patreon. This trend predates competent AI art. People who are so afraid of getting their hands dirty and getting a real job so they scam people into buying their corporate memphis shovelware.
There's artists who do it to express themselves. And those ones do have soul. But they are a slim minority of a minority of people who call themselves artists.
AI art takes all that out of the equation. (Although there are people who do coms with stable diffusion and shit, but those people are a minority of a minority) People massage their prompts, curate the results, pick the winners, refine, etc. with the end goal of bringing the idea in their head to life. That's soul. The umpteenth stylistically accurate picture of Princess Luna choking on Sanic the Hedghegs dick is not
Anonymous 35253
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>>35251>horrific remashes of mostly mediocre slop thats already all over the InternetAll art is inspired, there's no such thing as original art
Unless the artist was born in a vacuum and never experienced a single thing outside of that vacuum, they will inherently be influenced by everything that has ever happened before them simply by the the nature of existing.
Anonymous 35254
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Ai image gen has been a fixation of mine since 2016. I think it just goes to show that most people have no taste cause you can make some fantastic images with ai, but most people only care about gen-ing sexy waifus and ai jesus
Anonymous 35255
>>35252How can AIslop have soul if it's trained on soulless fanart?
>with the end goal of bringing the idea in their head to life.And artists don't do that?
Anonymous 35256
>>35253Fair but there’s a difference between inspiration and straight up stealing. It’s one thing if people are inspired by art but still add their own little spin on it, it’s another thing if it’s just an algorithm that flat out rips off people’s art, it’s legit art theft in lots of cases
>>35254Never seen someone who’s been into AI for so many years. Did you, in 2016, ever think that it would get this good? Additionally how were the images in 2016 compared to present day?
Anonymous 35257
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>>35255>How can AIslop have soul if it's trained on soulless fanart?You can train your own models/loras on anything you'd like. You know very little about this subject and it shows
>And artists don't do that?Read my post again
Anonymous 35258
>>35256I absolutely didn’t expect it to get this good this fast, I remember having my mind blown when google deep dream was doing that psychedelic dog thing and people were making anime characters in spaghetti. I thought it would take like 30 years to see the progress we made in less than 10. I didn’t really expect the artist backlash to ai art but looking back i should’ve. It makes me sad though because I’m also a hobbyist artist and I just love the combination of machine + creativity.
Anonymous 35259
>>35248It’s so lame, it’s just going to make people even lazier than they already are.
Anonymous 35260
Oh my god all the pro AI posts here read exactly like stupid moids from twitter who lie to themselves that this shit looks good because they're angry at people who worked hard to get good at drawing.
Anonymous 35261
>>35252>I unironically find AI art to have more soul than most human art.>soulThis is literally how moids from 4chan post. Get out.
>There's still good human artist.If you can't pluralize artist correctly then you're probably a gross Indian moid. Fuck off and go do a gang rape or whatever else you people do.
Anonymous 35262
>>35253That has nothing to do with my point at all.
Anonymous 35263
Somehow I thought we’d be able to have a discussion in this thread without it immediately devolving into scrotefoiling and racebaiting. Why are all anti ai posters so mad when someone has a different opinion than them?
Anonymous 35266
I've been an artist for many years and honestly think AI image gen is fascinating and fun. It has also inspired me to start studying the code. I wish there were more AI resources and communities that were women-centric however, since most currently are moids churning out porn loras or other dumbass moid grifters posting shitty videos regurgitating "information" they hardly understand themselves. To be honest I think most artists rejecting AI are only screwing themselves over since most are unwilling to learn how the technology works at all and are therefore just that much easier to take advantage of.
Anonymous 35267
>>35266I feel you, it’s so awesome that something like this exists and as both an artist and ai user I hate how there’s this almost political split. It doesn’t help that most women tend to be artists and emotionally driven by the whole ‘ai is killing artists!’ stance and most pro ai techbros have no artistic eye and make the lowest common denominator crap and I feel stuck in the middle.
Anonymous 35268
>>35253the main difference is one is a human and the other is a machine, and you shouldn't need an explanation as it why giving a machine that kind of power is dystopic. But keep acting like a pig in a pig sty
Anonymous 35269
>>35259I think using image gen ai is only lazy if you use it as a replacement for drawing/painting etc. not defending the people who post ai and claiming they drew it but it’s like calling someone lazy for buying a shirt. They could’ve sewn one themselves but sometimes it’s not about the artistic craft of hand making something.
Anonymous 35270
The purpose of art is to express yourself. Machines can't do that, so what they produce is not art in the truest sense of the word.
Anonymous 35271
>>35267This is true and you're right, but I also really think that because we're stuck in the middle we're well positioned to fill that niche and break new ground! I've seen tools around that aren't just moid slop, they're rare but it's out there. I hope with time it might become less contentious and I would hate to see all the knowledge around this technology solely in the hands of moids.
Anonymous 35272
I'm excited for the progress of AI-generated music. I want to be able to hear songs I like in different/niche genres, and listen to covers of all sorts of songs in different musician's voices. In general, I don't respect modern mainstream music enough to believe that sort of thing might be "against real art" or whatever, because it isn't, and modern music is already slop. It's fine to treat hyper-shilled products like Nicki Minaj, Ariana Grande or Lana Del Rey as Vocaloids IMO.
Anonymous 35273
>>35270I think you bring up an interesting point about the line something is or isn’t art. If art = “expressing yourself” then what about commercial artists who are paid to express someone else’s feelings/ideas? Are they not artists? If they are, then why does ai, which is a machine I’m using to express my own feelings/ideas not count as art? I think art is really only truely in the eye of the beholder and placing arbitrary rules on what is or isn’t art will just limit yourself. I’m not saying you should love ai art and I think it’s perfectly fine to just not like it but so many people just take popular reactionary argument #1 and don’t think about it any more. Maybe I’m just too much of an art theory nerd for this thread.
Anonymous 35274
>>35248The only AI i like is chatbots for my husbando.
Anonymous 35275
>>35273A machine doesn't think about and make deliberate choices regarding every single "brushstroke" according to its own taste and preferences. A machine has no taste for what looks good and what doesn't. Even if an artist has been commissioned to draw someone else's idea, they're making deliberate choices with every single line.
Anonymous 35276
>>35263because you're a lazy retard with no ambition who wants to profit off artists' hard work. go learn a skill
Anonymous 35277
This whole "AI art isn't art!1!1!" shit is so pathetic. Just enjoy generating the goofy images or don't if you don't like it. This is so retarded. The arbitrary definition of it being "art" or not won't stop people who generate AI images from doing so lmao.
Anonymous 35278
>>35273If your ideas are so generic and boring that you are content with uninspiring slop such as
>>35253 and
>>35257 then you do you lmao.
Anonymous 35279
>>35273Not an expert on AI but doesnt it just copy the images it has been trained on? And kinda combine them into something "new." Even if an artist is told to draw something they do make it in their own style. Straight up copying someone elses images would be comparable to AI. But imo a lot of commercial art is so low effort and soulless I dont really care if it is replaced by AI.
Anonymous 35280
>>35277Who here is against stupid funny pictures? They're funny pics and we can all enjoy them, we can even be amazed by what computers can do, but they're not real art. Why is it wrong to say it?
Anonymous 35282
>>35279>Straight up copying someone elses images would be comparable to AI.Exactly. AI "art" is comparable to tracing someone else's art for no artistic purpose.
>But imo a lot of commercial art is so low effort and soulless I dont really care if it is replaced by AI.AIfags love using shitty generic commercial art to trash on actual art made by humans as a whole. We all agree that kind of art is uninspired shit, but that's not the only kind of art there is. Pretending that it is shows a clear ignorance about art in general.
>>35281NTA but post yours first. Oh right, you have none because you can't draw anything without an algorithm stitching together parts of a million pre-existing images for you to paint over.
Anonymous 35283
I find it pretty fantastical that you can type in some keywords and a picture just comes out of the ether. (yes, it's not as simple as that, but you get what I mean.) I never thought something like that would be developed within my lifetime. The same sentiment goes for text-generation, which is honestly more fun than image-generation. Still, I can't consider any of it 'art.' My mind just views it as this other 'thing.' It's a pretty irrational position.
Anonymous 35285
>>35279It actually doesn't copy images unless you're using image-to-image generation. To offer a rough explanation of the actual technology, AI image diffusion models learn concepts by adding noise to many, many images in order to form vectors which correspond to text encoders for concepts. It learns a pattern of noise diffusion for the concept, for example a dog. Kind of similar to how over your lifetime, you've seen thousands of dogs and images of dogs and all of that knowledge compounded forms your concept of what dogs look like, although you would draw a dog mechanically while an AI image model would diffuse noise in the "dog" pattern it has learned. However, the dog you drew and the dog the model diffused from random noise aren't necessarily any one specific dog drawing in your/its "memory".
Anonymous 35286
>>35280I think all AI generated images are goofy even if they look good, they'll have some flaw that takes you out of it. But my point was that telling people "AI images aren't art! So you should stop making or looking at/enjoying them!" is really stupid because no1currs.
Anonymous 35287
How bad for the environment are chat bots like c.ai?
I keep seeing all these posts on tumblr and Twitter with insane statistics about water usage etc and I’m curious whether or not it’s legitimate. I’m not a user myself and my only real opinion on the ethics of it with my limited knowledge is that people shouldn’t steal others writing to ‘train’ the bots
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>>35287If you want to gaslight yourself and say the image on the left is actually genuinely better than the right one because the right one is ai, be my guest kek
Anonymous 35290
>>35289source for pic on the right? the style is pretty i like it kek
Anonymous 35291
>>35289Damn, I thought it was art progress pic
Anonymous 35292
>>35287I can’t imagine it’s worse than any other app. Like
>>35288 said, any tech as of now is gonna cause environmental problems to some extent but they’re not like…mass polluting factory levels
>>35289The one on the left has more life to it tbh and feels more authentic to look at knowing that it was an actual idea that someone put any effort into. The pic on the right, knowing it was AI, immediately kills any interest in it because it was just trained off of similar pictures made by people with actual talent and just copied their homework. If the pic on the left was AI and the pic on the right was authentic it would mean AI actually got a decent sense of humor too which those mfs are not doing anytime soon lmao
Anonymous 35297
>>35269Either way the shirt was made by a person, it didn’t appear out of thin air.
Anonymous 35298
when i was younger i used to rp with cleverbot and get super frustrated because she could never stick to the plotline… i think if i grew up with current AI bots i would have 0 chance of turning out normal
Anonymous 35299
>>35289Wtf is this cherrypicking, there are artists that can draw like the right
Anonymous 35300
At this point the results have spoken for themselves. For the past year LLMs have lead to the quality of the content of every major and minor website rapidly declining.
It's really only an acceleration of what was already happening but it's an absurdly fast acceleration of it and machine learning is to blame for it on every level even before OpenAI became available to the public because some of the earliest users of this garbage were marketeting teams and firms that run botnets.
Anonymous 35301
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>comparing ai art to human art
ew this is just like that 'digital art isn't real art' shit from the 2010s do these anti ai retards even read the shit they write before posting? get good at actual art or stfu lmao. Chess players don't throw a tantrum when the ai beats them, please create an anti-ai art thread containment for yourselves.
Anonymous 35302
>>35292Large data centers are far worse for the environment than any factory.
Anonymous 35305
>>35301Who are you even replying to. maybe get medications for your schizophrenia
Anonymous 35307
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>>35294kek. But really, the way Midjourney can modify and recreate existent art, artstyles and characters is a bit scary. Often times it looks very genuine. Like the other anon said, the intention behind it is what makes it art, but that doesn't mean our AIslop is bad by default. It's great for ideas and inspiration.
Anonymous 35308
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>>35307Samefagging to say that I still would rather prefer being able to draw exactly what's in my head than spending an hour generating like 400 images to get closer to what I want. In an ideal world, AI wouldn't be used by seething tards hoping to replace creative people who are more talented/dedicated than them and soulless corpo demons, but merely as a tool to have fun and get some spark.
Anonymous 35315
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>>35305are you mad because you made one of those retarded posts? Projecting your mental illness onto strangers isn't as cute as you think it is kek
Anonymous 35317
I like to make AI images and then send them to a company that makes custom paint by number kits. I don’t have the artistic skill or talent to draw or paint for real, but I find painting really fun and relaxing. The types of pictures paint by number companies mass produce don’t appeal to me at all. I don’t want to paint a stupid flower or a moody lighthouse. I want to paint pictures of women who are part of a secret society that wear animal masks and perform candlelight rituals in high rise apartments. I’ve been having so much fun.
Anonymous 35341
>>35317this sounds very pleasant, nona. if you have any recommendations for where to buy these kits pls share i want to try doing this.
Anonymous 35344
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I just like genning (inaccurate) pics of my husbandos/self inserts because I don't have much drawing talent and am too lazy to grind at a chance of being better.
Can't get into chatbots though, I'm terrible at small talk and leading conversations.
Anonymous 35345
>>35344I’ve missed your husbandoposting on the lc ai images board nona
Anonymous 35360
>>35341So far, I’ve liked bestpaintbynumbers dot com the most. I always do the 48 colors framed option (you have to scroll to the bottom of the custom section to see the one with the framed option). The more colors, the more realistic it will look, but it also makes it harder.
https://bestpaintbynumbers.com/products/your-photo-as-paint-by-numbers-framed-option?variant=48969483780425The brushes it comes with are horrible, I like to use these ones (pretty sure you can buy them an Amazon or at many other places if you aren’t in the US). I buy a bunch at a time since they get kind of messed up from the acrylic paint eventually.
https://www.dickblick.com/items/princeton-select-synthetic-brush-angle-shader-mini-handle-size-18/I also use flow improver to make the paints more creamy. Liquitex flow aid is the one I use, it’s not necessary but it helps a lot with thick or dried out paint. Sometimes one color will come dried out if it wasn’t closed properly but 20 drops of flowaid brings it back to life.
Lastly, I like to put a layer of clear gesso on the canvas before I start. Make sure you get clear and not white because the white will cover up the lines and numbers. The clear looks white when you put it on, but dries completely transparent. Again, not necessary but makes painting more enjoyable for me.
If you want to get really fancy with it, you can also blend the colors together to make it look more like a real painting. Lots of tutorials on YouTube from a nice boomer lady (Melanie B creative studio is the channel, I think).
Anonymous 35384
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>>35345what happened to lc? did get grimes get butthurt and nuke it like she did with hipster runoff
Anonymous 35385
Is there any chance of transhumanism, science evolution, and the like actually happening or is it all just overhype? I do like the idea of humans managing to advance as a species and certain tech like Crispr/gene editors do seem promising but at the same time I see a lot of people say it’s over hyped and won’t go anywhere
Anonymous 35405
>>35385I think it’s a cool idea but there’s so much about the human brain we don’t know yet so I don’t think we’re going to make any progress until we understand the brain a lot better. My dream unrealistic invention is being able to transmit the images in my brain into images or videos. I struggle to explain things with words so I’d love to show people my ideas by just beaming a picture on a screen.
Anonymous 35422
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Miku's latest performance will blow you away
Anonymous 35424
>>35405Honestly that brings up an interesting question. Will AI deepen our understanding of the brain or will our progress with AI depend on our understanding of the brain? It’s sadly well known that consciousness research and neurology is under funded and can sometimes even be career killers. Neuralink seems interesting but knowing Elon Musk he’ll probably just use it to see who shit talked him on Lolcow.Farm and KiwiFarms, maybe Synchron (a Neuralink competitor) will be more promising but yet again I have to wonder if brain chips like that will deepen our understanding of the brain or be dependent on it and subsequently crash and fail because of it
Anonymous 35426
There's AI pic dump threads on img
>>>/img/17396>>>/img/23336It really has improved dramatically
Anonymous 35433
>>35426Yeah even 2 years ago it was so much more primitive, we went from the Will Smith AI spaghetti video to realistic security footage in a matter of almost no time. I wonder where it will be in 2 more years, really feels like we’re approaching that “technological singularity” you hear so much about in the movies when it comes to generative AI. The point of no return with it has already been passed with how convincing it can be. How did AI art look before 2022? All the pics I can find are from 2022 and I’d like to see how it advanced from a few years back just to get an idea of where it may go
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>>35433The oldest public ai image gen I know of was deep dream, but that was more image to image and not text to image. Dalle mini was apparently released 2021 but I think it only took off 2022-ish
Anonymous 35440
>>35436This is what the world looks like when you take psychedelics
Anonymous 35447
>>35385None whatsoever.
Machine learning algorithms have absolutely zero grasp of the human brain and how it functions.
It's proven useless for everything it's been tried for other than doctoring media.
It's a junk technology that only receives such heavy investment despite producing no real results because silicon valley has literally nothing else it can pass off as "new" and it won't find something else after tge "AI" craze winds down.
Anonymous 35449
>>35447Nope, you're very wrong. It is very useful for diagnosing diseases like sickle cell or detecting wildfire smoke. The entire field of computer vision applies ml algorithms for solving real problems in scientific research. They have been in use for years, it just hasn't been popular or accessible to the masses before. The common normie won't have much use of it past deepfakes of their waifu but that's an issue of open accessibility, not the technology itself.
Anonymous 35451
>>35447>learning algorithms have absolutely zero grasp of the human brain Source: trust me bro.
Why would it when it's trained on data from how people act digitally? it's why ai art is the way it is: kinda like how photoshop actions are just a series of processes. When people do digital painting or making music because the computer logs each step.
Anonymous 35479
>>35448Pointless padding R&D that will lead to as many new products as CRISPR did.
>>35449>They have been in use for yearsThe vast majority of which has also proven to be pointless fund padding R&D. And in cases where it was useful, it was built from the data-set up to be dedicated to one hyper specific task.
>>35451None of what you said changes the fact that we don't even actually have the neurological information necessary to give an NN.
Anonymous 35487
I didn't mind AI images until I kept coming across moids posting sexualised girls constantly claiming they are women. Some even claimed she was of age because they ran that image through an AI age detector. If it wasn't obvious enough by now, it clearly looked like a minor.
So yeah, I've seen way too many pedos use AI that I just have disgust for it now.
Anonymous 35495
>>35479>we don't even actually have the neurological information necessary to give an NN.How are large language models even needing that? Ai doesn't have to have any connection to human brains for it to work it's just processes. You sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.
Anonymous 35496
>>35487>focusing and caring about the shitty things moids doThe ai companies don't like it either but losers gonna loser. Part of decentering men is allowing them to be losers it's not our job to correct them like their moms they will have to deal with other men to change. Nobody actually respects them and giving them attention was their goal the whole time the taboo shit makes them have the illusion of worth.
Anonymous 35499
>>35495They don't need that data to "work" but they need that data to understand the brain.
They don't operate in any way that resembles the brain or an actual intelligence. Thats the whole point.
Anonymous 35518
>>35499Explain how LLM need neuroscience to work? There's no instruments that currently exist that allows us to investigate the brain in great detail. The process of LLM is nothing like the process of a human organ.
This is like thinking you need medical info when making calculators.
Anonymous 35519
It's appealing because I don't have to interact with men to write things I'd never want to be publicly read (at least non psudonomiously). I don't do it, because after some experimentation all the bots are absolutely horrible. character ai used to have some therapeutic value to me, but it has been entirely broken down due to filtering reasons (it legitimately made the bots significantly dumber. they "remember" less and even innocuous conversations that don't hit on fetish adjacent topics are just totally neutered. it's worthless). The rest are far, far worse. So, I have stopped using it.
Simple as that.
Anonymous 35521
>>35518I would love to but first go to downloadmorereadincomprehension.com
Anonymous 35570
I'm trying to set up sillytavern but with a local llm so everything is private. wish me luck
Anonymous 35581
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>>35544its super easy just use Vidu.
>https://www.vidu.studio/createAll I did was upload my bing stuff and a simple prompt like 'standing, hair-blowing-in-wind'
results can be surprising like this one suddenly turning into a realistic looking person. Also I think it costs money but there's a free amount of credits.
Anonymous 35613
>>35427would it be too out of place to ask what prompt you used for this pic?
Anonymous 35681
>>35570What local LLM are you using? Do you have any chance at all with an AMD GPU?
Anonymous 35684
My girlfriend is. She's a transhumanist
