Pinkpill Thread #4 Anonymous 108911
Vent your frustration about males and the degenerate things that they do here.
Previous Bread >>93567
I'm gonna post it again because I think its funny
>>109046>100 males (mostly men)
What did "the science" mean by this?
Anyone can cherry pick studies and statistics to make the other gender look bad, this just makes you look really dumb and desperate. It's literally what incels do with that penis size study that had like 75 subjects from california.
penis size =/= literally fucking animals
>>109046>100 males (mostly men)
trannies are only .6% of the population and yet they are still overrepresented in cases of moids trying to rape animals.
Think it's differentiating between adults and children? Still sounds like an unscientific and stupid way to put it.
tbh what's even the point of heterosexual relationships? apparently our worth is mostly hinged upon something depreciating we can never control (ofc men lie and scapegoat weight but we know most would take a chubby 18 year old over a fit 30 year old) that men lie and say is really a superpower that gives us eternal sway over men.
In research, the only people who at all seem really attracted to women for…most of their life past puberty…are lesbian women. And already men's efforts/happiness is more bound to how attracted they are to their partners, so, do the math there.
Sure, there's probably "exceptions" but the idea of happily ever after with a man seems like a scam.
I think the issue is more with living, aging, and dying than what men want
This comfort often starts lacking overtime and there's a lot of contextual trends that kind of shit on it.
I.e., "men are as faithful as their options", men cheating much more in their middle age, men acting like cheating is justified if their wife gets ugly, the emphasis on dead bedrooms (often a symptom of a greater issue), women usually getting less emotional support from their husbands despite valuing it more, single childless women being happier on average, etc.
As far as I know women seem to vastly overrate the long-term comfort in a man despite being consistently fed that it's special, only for it to be extremely conditional (to his sexual desires) in nature. Lots of women seem to conform in order to desperately "keep" a man.
Maybe platonic friendship was the way all along.
All in all I think there's very few men that prioritize a love not based in short-lived, unsustainable factors. Age is just one of many and it seems like a set pattern with men to becoming very entitled towards their partners/their bodies despite increasingly dehumanizing them and neglecting their individual needs.
While I don't think most women are "abused" by men I think most in one way or another find their psyches take a beating–because they're constantly being compared to the 100s of hot girls her partner probably looks at and lusts over, among other things.
And is this all a surprise? Men are constantly saying women are damaged by just being with men (i.e., see body count rhetoric). It's like they know it's bad to be with men but also can't admit it.
Most men are incapable of love. They will be infatuated with, lustful, and covetous of a young woman but he will grow resentful of her as soon as she shows signs of ageing.
So much adult male humor and male bonding rituals are how much they despise their ageing wives.
You can get a sense for exactly the types of men these are with a bit of interaction. A lot of "nice" men are just non-confrontational and dismissive. Finding a moid capable of deep love and understanding is extremely difficult.
>>109205>and these are incredibly hard to test for.
Not as hard as you think. Most men are fucking stupid and too egocentric to even know what traits to hide from women since they can't even figure out the real reason why women don't like them.
Ask a man what he likes about you, or what he sees in a future with you. If he says shit along the lines of
-you serve my interests
-you will probably serve my interests in the future
this moid is to be avoided and will turn into a bitter, balding, boomer scrote who will despise you, and will jump at any opportunity to cheat or cut you off if you become in any way inconvenient.>>109210
Long term comfort with men doesn't exist. They straight up tell you to your face their love for you progressively becomes less and less because the no.1 thing males hate is women who are not nubile, young, impressionable virgins. You can't cook and clean your way into him not resenting you. A long term relationship with a man is him deciding to keep your "depreciating assets" around because "it's cheaper to keep her" and he would have to start doing his own dishes. As soon as you can no longer service men they will dump instantly and without remorse. Notice how many men toss their ill wives to the curb.
Only "the very best" deserving love is such a shitty sentiment to spread I'm half convinced you are a moid who hates the idea of women having standards or feeling too self confident. So many ugly, soulless scrotes receive deep love from good women.
Scrotes are so shit. It's not that males capable of love are extremely high quality, it's that 90% of men are simply monkeys capable of human speech.
You talk like a pseud "skeptic" moid.
Well, it seems like I'm talking to a guy so touche.
Terminal celibacy is on average worse for men as far as I know (I suspect this is mostly from other toxic factors tho) and I'm not really sure if you're referring to that.
When there's all sorts of pro-relationship and anti cat lady propaganda thrown at girls or women and a lot desperately forcing themselves to make terrible relationships work out because "the clock is ticking", I don't mind being a lil propaganda-y tbh. Because what we're working with is something that's a scam.
Moids are only capable of neurotic projection. They treat women as dispensable but in reality they are the ones who are dispensable. A woman can live a complete existence without the prolonged presence of males. Males, however, cannot.
Historically only 20% of men contributed to the genepool. 80% of men are quite literally irrelevant. The only way one can earn relevancy is to latch themselves to a single woman and mate-guard her so at least he can pass down some of his genes.
But they all still have the mindset that they're the top percentile and can cycle through as many women as they like, without ever thinking about the reality of their situation.
The average male must mate guard an average woman in order to ensure he has offspring. However, any woman can pass down her genes whenever and with whoever she likes, and even have access to the genetic material of the very top percentile of males.
Males may not be actively aware of this situation but it has definitely imprinted on their psychology. It's why they act so scrotey.
Men should want me for me regardless of what I bring to the table
This is why I really love when males are obsessed with the idea of artificial wombs and bio-engineering rescuing them from genetic irrelevancy.
They are essentially recreating the role of the female sex through technology, yet they still hate women and how we function. They really are too stupid to get it. The male ego interrupts all rational thought. Of course goat wombs and "eugenics" are just some of the more obvious displays of male reproductive neuroticism.
They want to be us, they want to be the ones who choose, the ones who exist without existential dread. They think we are unworthy stewards of reproduction and unworthy to determine future of our species. Why? because narcissism. Female hypergamy is what turned amoebas into what we are today. They just can't stand that they're part of the runoff that makes this possible.
We have seen how men act when they are in control of human reproduction. Passing women off to any and every male to keep the human genome stagnant, just so they don't have to come to terms with the fact that they wouldn't get picked. Under monogamous patriarchal structures, the human genome has barely advanced. The male will is to halt evolution and breed drones endlessly. It will destroy the earth if gone unchecked, and we are starting to see the backswing now. On the whole, males are insectoids but pretend to be philosophers/warriors/kings like the top 1%.>>109224
He is just a scrote who can't stand the idea that he is not superior to women by virtue of his birth. He has to make sure women don't realize that the majority of men can and should be left behind (because he is included in this category).>>109225
Most of the most advanced species in terms of organization, productivity, and intelligence are matriarchal.
If human beings became a matriarchal species it would be a boon for this planet. We would be smaller in numbers and of much higher quality. There is literally no need to breed billions of failedmale offspring into this world just to pollute and destroy it with no greater purpose.
If there were some in this thread trying to defend themselves - on a forum FOR WOMEN - it'd actually really show the point that they feel entitled towards women and are terrified of women and girls finding joy in independence. Literal mate-guarding random women in a place where he doesn't belong. One-moid pinkpill. >>109224
When the default for most men being into a woman or girl is dependent on irrational, short-lived factors, if a guy doesn't truly cherish you ASAP and feel like you're special it really never begun.
Men whine and say it's arrogance and being full of yourself and say this or that about women wanting to be babied and special privileges , but the reality is that men benefit more from being settled for…than women do. When a lot of men are desperate creeps literally saying whatever they can to optimize their fuck-chances while we gain far less out of sex and suffer more consequences, it's a necessity.
Men whip out the rhetoric of "well what do you bring to the table" when it basically is just putting women in the position of insecurity and always having to perform–all to cover up the fact that he will never really
value her. A lot of women become increasingly broken from within this process. The brief bits of validation and "comfort" they get is a distraction for their growing reliance on a structure of compulsory and conditional compliance.
I'm pretty sure women are way more capable of growing to value someone more overtime–men don't give a shit about almost everything apart of a long-term relationship. It's why so many women get pinkpilled after having a baby–turns out men wanting to be fathers is but an aesthetic to make their intentions more palpable for an earnest, family-minded woman. A sort of status-posturing.
Most men just genuinely don't like fully grown women and I think most people are in denial of this and eternally trying to cope otherwise. Hell, we all know this sentiment destroys and fucks up middle-aged lonely men too because…guess what? They don't want to put in effort into pursuing age-appropriate partners they are more likely to actually be bale to get–who when aren't neurotic and insecure are way more likely to be happy alone.
schizo polcel. You would think some internet nazi would appreciate the idea of selective breeding and hypergamy, but nah, you're just edgy incels.>>109230
"what do women bring to the table?" a literal continuation of your biological existence, something the majority of males in the animal kingdom have no access to. They should be doing everything they can to impress us, instead of whine that we aren't hot enough and won't be their surrogate mommies. It's no wonder when women are able to support themselves they engage with moids less and less.
>turns out men wanting to be fathers is but an aesthetic to make their intentions more palpable for an earnest, family-minded woman.
Males are r-selective and duplicitous insectoids. They want to see their genes propagated infinitely but care very little to invest in their offspring. Once a male has secured a child with you they have 0 reason not to become parasites or absentees, they've essentially already duped you into continuing his genes and tied you to him for life. Only the legal minimum effort is required, and even then it's still too much to ask for a lot of them.
Men want to use us for creating mini-moids, as sex dispensers, and as house cleaners. To say that men love women or are heterosexual is false. They are pedophile coomer insects devoid of souls.
Glad the thread is started with some based anons, it'll lure out lurking moids wanting to spew some shitty counter arguments
>>109230>they feel entitled towards women and are terrified of women and girls finding joy in independence
They have to spread their scrote propaganda to make women believe in a separate reality- a reality where women compete for men, and men are swimming in options. Us women would be so lucky to have a king save us from a future of cats!
It's all such bullshit. Patriarchy exists as incel affirmative action, because men are so inferior to women they need complex societal structures to keep them competitively relevant. All they can do is repeat the old mantras over and over, hoping women will fall for their lies and fearmongering. Too bad reality never reflects their position, and a hell of a lot of women aren't falling for their shit anymore.
Males should be absolutely ashamed of themselves and learn some humility. The fact that women actively choose to live with friends, family, and pets rather than cohabitate with your average scrote reflects very poorly on them. The single thing males had to their advantage was holding resources hostage from us and forcing us to serve them in order to survive, again, their incel affirmative action.
I can make my own money, I can go to a sperm bank. I don't have to barter with some incel and trade my freedom to literally stay alive. Women are cutting out the useless middleman, and look how they seethe. They can't coast through life by being born with a penis anymore.
The only thing a male could add to my life is love, partnership, friendship, but no. They seem completely incapable of having any relationship deeper than transactional (and not just in love, in friendship with other males as well). They're still operating like lesser animals and only care about muh dik and muh replacement mommy.
Cope harder mananon. Perhaps you can indeed cherrypick studies that make the other "gender" look bad (though I doubt it goes both ways, really). But you will never be able to cherrypick an objective reality where male humans are not inferior degenerate creatures, no matter what how hard anyone tries to deny it the truth always remains the same.
I think so too. They should have said "mostly adult" instead to make themselves clear.
When I read posts like this, and like a lot of other posts in this thread, and read incels and mgtow posts on 4chan and the like, I feel like it's immature people who don't understand the opposite gender. Women and men are different. They have different goals and objectives, and different tools to achieve those. Your point is basically that men make for shitty women and their goals don't matter to you, and you're right on both accounts, but consider the ignorant men that would say the same thing about you. It's an unhelpful way to look at things.
Every time I bring up these points around men and discuss the reality of their existence and how they operate biologically, they just say "lol well u sound just like an incel" since they have no other real criticisms. If you could actually process what I'm saying by turning of your moid narcissism filter, you wouldn't feel the need to voice your emotional objections.
Men and women are different, and part of that difference is male expendability and the necessity for y-chromosome bottlenecking in the advancement of any and every sexually reproductive species. If that offends you maybe you should try being part of the 20% instead of seething at "femcels" on cc.
How is what I'm saying unhelpful to anyone other than failed males? aka you
How many kids do you have? I have 3, and we're trying for 4. Tell me why you husband. My husband loves me absolutely, earns us a good living, and we've been married almost 10 years. We understand each other's needs and have a very successful relationship.
Like incels, you don't have what we have and rather than understand why and make changes, you choose to be a salty bitch.
Moid "understanding" of "opposite genders" is exactly that, genders. Males operate on the premise that what is socially enforced as femininity is female and what is socially enforced as masculinity is male- which are products of patriarchal systems of themselves. What men think makes women distinct is pink dress and squee at babies.
I am talking about males. XYs, creatures that produce spermatozoa. Most of what I say can be applied to most of the animal kingdom. My point is that the male objective is rooted in their biology. Biology that stems back billions of years, before these concepts were even given thought.
Men are not failed women and women are not failed men. I am criticizing men the same way I would criticize parasites and swarming insects. It's in their blood to do what they do, that doesn't mean I don't find it repulsive.
Anyways, these "ignorant" men that you speak of don't say the same thing about me. If they do, they are retarded. What they say about women is a reflection of their neurosis that I was already actively discussing. They believe women are hypergamous and this is a disadvantage to them, so women must be taken to heel. I believe women are hypergamous and this is an advantage to humanity and the world as a whole, and I don't care that it makes incels butthurt.
And yes I am shamelessly double posting.
You are a larping polcel who already got banned for being a larping polcel but you switched your VPN location. No woman is bragging about her broodmare status to flex on other women on a fucking "femcel" imageboard. Only tradthots with a male audience do this… for their male audience.
On the contrary, I know a few men who I have made deep friendships with and they join me in hating failedmale insects. It says a lot about your "husband" if he appreciates the fact you're white knighting scrotes online and trying to equate us based misandrists to them. Could you be any worse at being a woman?
Because this a "trad" polcel male who is terminally single and sees himself as every other man who is terminally ignored by women. He thinks he's giving himself credibility by pretending to be an incel idealization of a woman. Except we are not desperate trad polcels, and we do not measure the value of a woman's opinion on how much she does in service to males.
These scrotes are stupid and lack empathy to the point where they can't even pretend to be women well. Not even fucking trannies who dedicate their life to emulating women can pull it off. They are just too self-centered and their brains literally have not evolved enough to process the world from an entirely different perspective.
My point is that the existence of pinkpill/femcel/incel/mgtow groups is bad, and these groups just have a bad perspective that makes them bitter. It's no different than telling incels "hey, maybe if you spent half the time you spend playing video games on being interesting and taking care of yourself and you thought of women as actual people and not objects like in the porn you should stop watching, you could get a girlfriend." I have a successful relationship. I want others to have successful relationships. You won't get that with a toxic mindset.
>>109263>My point is that the existence of pinkpill/femcel/incel/mgtow groups is bad
Who is bad and bad for what?
What you mean to say is having an excess of volatile failedmales finally coming to head now that incel affirmative action won't save them is potentially dangerous for society.
So, a male problem.
The only reason women choosing to separate from males is in any way a problem is because you know males will retaliate, potentially violently. We no longer wish to pacify these failures by giving them female servants and allowing them to spread their failed genes. Rip off that bandaid. Sorry if that means you're included.
Wow, I was OP posting on a proxy and you really did delete my posts for just being honest Jesus Christ.
Omg I left for a little bit and there's a mini war going on. >>109252
I'm sorry but a woman that hangs having kids as some sort of war trophy to dunk on other women with is sus. I understand actually being proud, etc., but the way your mind is framing this in this discussion is "well, these women LOST by not having 4 kids! I WON!"
I get the vibe from you that you'd keep bragging about this even if your husband cheated on you or abused you. I say that because that's what I notice from most women that do the "not my nigel" thing and stress how amazing their husband is. It isn't that they chose worse men, but that they're so high off an inflated sense of importance and sacredness in the relationship that they're less likely to smartly address the bad things their husbands do, and choose to posture instead. I mean it's kind of inevitable when men cheat the most later in a marriage. Some good women end up getting burned.
A LOT of women convince themselves that they'll be incomplete without a man. Guess what? This is super horrible for them and isn't realistic when contrasted to the pool of prospects. Straight women often invest too much of their heart and soul into them that it ends up backfiring eventually because their husbands are rarely on the same page.
Again, if you did
actually get lucky and this guy is a neverending pool of compassion, generosity, and integrity, understand that this isn't that common and that the amount of men that posture early on to look better is…disturbing.
we want to hate males here, we don't wanna hear about how exceptional we need to be to deserve a partner capable of equal love.
Also which one were you? And why a proxy?
I'm well aware of that now. I forget to not interrupt the circle-schlick of numbered threads. I thought that just applied to TERF thread as a rule of thumb, but I was obviously mistaken.>>109269
I made the mistake of stating that wanting what are supposedly high-quality and rare males may enlist the idea of being high-quality and rare yourself as well. I didn't think that was that
out there of a thing to say, but boy oh boy was I fucking wrong. I can't imagine being in a relationship with someone better than me, reminds of the retard who made the Mr. PeanutButter thread bitching about how her Chad boyfriend makes her feel inferior all the time because she isn't up to par.
I post on proxy because it's faster than appealing bans mostly because Admin doesn't seem to actually respond to ban appeals, but I don't want this thread devolving into meta-shittery.
This must be a coping mechanism for shitty nigel-havers. Women like this see feminists accurately assess their own moid's behavior and have to couch for these men to alleviate the pain.
A good man would want you to be a misandrist to be fucking honest. A man who loves you doesn't want you to be subjected to the horrible and dehumanizing behavior of other males, let alone defend them.
Imagine if a man who supposedly loved you, like your father, called you a femcel and made MRA "not all men" arguments in response to your rational fear/hatred of other males. That ain't love. If any woman married a man who wants her to do this, you bagged yourself a shit-tier scrote.
Not that it applies to this situation anyways because this person is clearly a retarded man.
>>109270>I made the mistake of stating that wanting what are supposedly high-quality and rare males may enlist the idea of being high-quality and rare yourself as well.
Males capable of love are not high quality, they are just rare. They are of normal quality. The bar for males is just so low that if they aren't jerking off to pedo content, aren't cheating, doing their own dishes, and capable of the full range of human emotions they are "high quality". If that's the criteria than 99% of women are already in the exceptional category.
Your mistake is assuming there must be an even spread of traits across the sexes. The truth is most men are dogshit and most women are not dogshit.
The different goals thing is valid. The problem is that it essentially fuels what we're getting across…that women want something out of men that men don't care to give because they just……don't care that much and tend to feel less pleasure at being giving/making others feel good. Also, what different goals are we discussing? The stereotypes look kind of bad.
I.e., if a guy's priority is excitement or good sex, he…won't get it from one person indefinitely unless they're just amazing together. The brain literally releases less dopamine over time with the same partner. I don't know if it's almost all of them, but porn definitely makes them more dependent on extremes and way more likely to sexualize the world around them, other people, etc. And I'm sure how male friend groups talk about women like pieces of meat often makes things worse. >>109270
Lolll if it means anything I didn't report that one. It just had the tone of disdain I often hear from men when women complain about men.
But understand that it's kind of exhausting as you clearly put the emphasis on looks–judging by the Peanutbutter thing. So essentially it sounds like you're saying "well you aren't good enough, you aren't Stacy, so, you don't get a high quality man." Which I can't dispute tbh, I have basically almost no faith in most men's priorities. It's just one of those things that's a bit exhausting.
Everyone is fixated on me bringing up my family like it's about them. My point is that I'm clearly doing well with my ideas, maybe you should stop grumbling and figure out what you're doing wrong to find the kinds of men that are actually worth dating (they exist!).>>109264
Bad for society. Not enough people reproducing is bad. Desperate men with nothing to lose going on rampages is bad. Spinster busybodies voting for literal communism and universal cat healthcare while racking up insane debt is bad. Healthy men and women together in monogamous relationships is good.
I'll take monogamous relationships over every other type of sexual relationship in the animal kingdom. I fear we're moving away from that.>>109267
I know the reality is that most men are shit and it's only getting worse, but it's not like women are getting any better either. I worry about the dating prospects of both my daughters and my son. That's why I push back against these kinds of ideas.
Ignore me if you want, I'm just offering my opinion.
>>109274>Bad for society.
I don't see the way patriarchal society functions as being good for society or worthy of maintaining. You are excusing and allowing low quality men to extort women and spread their failed genes indefinitely. I think what you define as good/bad is entirely backwards.>Spinster busybodies voting for literal communism and universal cat healthcare while racking up insane debt is bad.
You are 100% male, if not your brain is so cum corrupted you might as well be one.
Also, since when does voting accomplish anything? Oh right, when men want to blame things on women.>Not enough people reproducing is bad.
We need muh infinite growth for muh pyramid scheme lending economy, billions of drones polluting the world aren't enough, we been infinity more. R-selective malebrained minset. Your impulse to profligate and cropdust your cum like an insect should not inform your greater morality, but you males don't have a greater morality.
>I'll take monogamous relationships over every other type of sexual relationship in the animal kingdom.
In the animal kingdom, humans included, species are specifically designed to slough off unfit genes. It's why evolution is expeditated in sexually reproductive species. Males are designed to be cannon fodder. To defend males as a group is just pathetic and ill-informed.
If you believed your nigel was a golden god (assuming you're a woman lol), you would not be on here defending every violent incel spermlet moments away from chimping out over not getting his dick wet.
>>109274>Desperate men with nothing to lose going on rampages is bad
So you agree with her, you just want males to continue their racket because it benefits you personally?
So what are you gonna do? Complain your way into a healthy relationship with one of the few good men around, or die with your failed genes, bitter and loveless? Pretty sure only one of those is a realistic option. And I'm not all defending men, I'm criticizing your bad perspective.
… that's my point. With this nonsense, those are the only two options, both terrible.
And it's called caring about others and wanting them to be happy, even if they're being hateful and stubborn.
Good men don't care if you're a misandrist. Good men know failedmale critisim doesn't apply to them and they will join you when you ridicule soulless incels. If you actually bagged a good male you'd know this, but you bagged a failedmale and you're coping.
Even if you can't find a good man, you have access to the top 1% of genes if you go to any sperm bank. Hell even a fling with a college football boy is better than being some ugly, ungrateful scrote's incubator and servant. Single, loveless women still have better options than 99% of men when it comes to gene selection, so much so it's not even an issue.
btw being an alpha stacey misandrist makes it much easier to filter for decent male company. Unlike pickmes, who are in constant fear of moids and try to bribe moids into loving them through appeasement and subservience. A losing strategy, really.>>109280
You are a male who is larping as a tradwife. Wouldn't be surprised if you troon out soon since you're probably enjoying the fantasy.>>109280
I am loved by many, this is true.
No, people actually do have their own thoughts and aren't going to cave to your aggressive mental illness
You mean males, like you?
I am hated by incels and failedmales, this is also true.
Your thoughts are that we need to have sex with men so they don't go on violent rampages, but women who choose to avoid men are mentally ill? You talk like you're an abuse victim omg.
You're putting words in my mouth
On an IB it is pretty dangerous to take a few posts and build a single personality out of them, you might not even be responding to the same person
Sis, assuming you're not a larper, you brought up your kids in the first sentence of your reply and asked "how many kids do you have" or something which is obv a bomb and forces attention towards your family.
The more you talk, the more you seem to subscribe to the extreme toxic force that is "you need a man to be a happy." You might not admit this but that's essentially what you're saying.
"I just want people to be happy." "have good relationships." Fair, but you're projecting when you think that's the only mode of being or happiness, and whatever you might say…most women that find what they think is a good man end up being disappointed or being hurt by it deeply.
I think the ultimate point here is that…women on average are better off focusing on things that aren't love, that people can be very happy without romantic love, that it's kind of poisonous and wistful to keep on acting like a person MUST find love or else it's a waste.
Also true ascendance isn't finding "one of the good men." It's being happy living
and not needing to be sustained by the validation of someone. This is a gift. A virtue. It's what all women should strive for. >>109286
tbh I don't think that person dropped that talking point about incel rampages. If they did I'll kick their ass. <.<
OK NEVERMIND I JUST READ MORE. She did drop some Jordan Peterson shit talking point about incel rampages. I guess she really is one of those types that wants to pimp out women to fix broken, abusive men.
God bless this insane Earth. Also I already know that society and men are screeching a lot
about women wanting to be on their own. Everyone already has given up on men being better people without some sort of pussy-on-a-stick to entice them. That's what's disappointing here.
"s"he went from >consider the ignorant men that would say the same thing about you. It's an unhelpful way to look at things.
to>Not enough people reproducing is bad. Desperate men with nothing to lose going on rampages is bad. Spinster busybodies voting for literal communism and universal cat healthcare while racking up insane debt is bad.
I don't understand how men expect us to not think of them as subhuman and unworthy of attention, when they admit they will destroy society by either giving up on themselves and/or turning violent if they aren't promised pussy in compensation. What sane woman wants to live as the dependent of a dick-propelled monkey?
They seem genuinely shocked that women choose abstinence when our options are largely mgtow-adjacent coomers (choose from an array of equally detestable fetishes) with absolutely no future prospects and a complete lack of emotional maturity. It's like it never fully sank in that women are no longer forced to settle for them to survive. They just start with the hysterics about cats, communism, xanax, and the evil council of feminist propagandizers spoiling the minds of impressionable young women.
Males would improve their station a lot if they nixed the porn addiction, got a real hobby, and got in shape. Most never will, and the ones who do usually end up being homosocial misogynists who happen to lift 80kg more than the average male.
How do you even respond to the claim that women can't be involuntary celibates because """women can get sex whenever they want"""?
>Literally just go outside and offer sex to random men lmao
How the fuck do you respond to that
You don't because it's correct.
Women can be voluntary celibates but there's no way you couldn't get sex if you really wanted it (not including paying for it)
You throw your trap card at them and fade into the shadow realm obviously.
also just don't bother with "I'm a femcel" at all or any related 'cel conversation with guys which I'm guessing was what spurred the comment. Also the other person (possibly a moid) is still mostly right in terms of celibacy. You can't argue with "lel just go post booty on craigslist" bc that person just doesn't give a shit. Men are usually pathologically obsessed with sex. "I want an actual relationship with someone who actually values me; on several levels casual sex is way more risky and less beneficial than it is for men, it's not the same" can't compute bc the only goalposts to them are those they themselves set.
volcel is a thing and there's nothing wrong with it.
I'm not a moid at all. I'm implying that the average man is so disgusting and dangerous that women choose to be celibate over letting one use her body as a masturbatory aid.
That's why it's contained to only one thread
Can you cope any harder than that?
Men don't experience sexism lol
Is there any way for me to find pink-pill and terf-friendly spaces online? Is there a magic key word that I can type on google that will lead me to said spaces? I want to connect with other women and maybe make friends who share my mentality.
I don't use reddit, but to my understanding all the pinkpill subs were banned.
A very powerful argument for moids just being animals, my only contention with it is I am uncertain how you are certain woman aren't also? Unless I am misreading, you seem to imply that while men are running off of biology as if women aren't also. Am I mistaken?
Then why is it a relevant point? If everyone is subject to their biological realities than the biological realities and their outputs are morally equal in value.
For the same reason mgtow incels obsess over woman.
I mean this is the only place many of us vent about men.
>designated containment for venting
>flooded by contrarians talking about obsessiveness even though they're the ones who are going our of their way to fight here
and a lot of the points made here is that men in particular have trouble with leaving women alone, especially in their own spaces–if one wants to harass us here it actually directly feeds into some of the theories said here about them.
I have little sympathy for any male lurking here's feelings getting hurt as he's basically looking for this shit. I wouldn't say this stuff to put down a random guy in another space but here? You're just mining for hate porn.
it isn't a bad site but the site creator is a sort of neo-Pickme and it kind of weirds me out.
Won't go into it because it's super private stuff, but she coddled incel men a lot. Essentially an incel could be repeatedly racist, sexist, and pedophiliac on her server but then she'd refuse to ban him while banning any woman that did a fraction of a bad thing as him, or bugged her. She demanded 10x the evidence to ban men than she did women. The "neo" is bc she is outspoken about women's issues, sometimes extraordinarily and beautifully so, but also weirdly coddling bad men and treating men like weird pets…even if said men were manipulating and gassing her ass up. she went on a massive rant about how she gets hurt when women don't fall into line for her which was very telling.
idk what she's doing now but she really overextended herself.
also this is a meta question for women (I can tell if you aren't) bc I'm a newbie here. is CC very hostile towards men as a whole? like, most other threads are related to other things besides stuff like this but then people barge in and act like all of it is a man-hating circlejerk.
Where are anons being hostile towards men?
Men think it's a crime against them that all women aren't all on their knees ready to suck dick. They read feminist critique of male behavior and think its a call to genocide and start chimping. That's why they're so hysterical about CC.
i mean when i had bumble i spammed right swipe but its not exactly a compliment (many of them unmatch actually) but if i really wanted sex it wouldve been easy to get
and im not even that good looking, perfectly average
>>109377>Then why is it a relevant point? If everyone is subject to their biological realities than the biological realities and their outputs are morally equal in value.
A lot of people misunderstand that naturalistic/biological arguments are an excuse for human behavior. I disdain the male mode of being, I do not disdain the female mode of being. Both are products of their genes, but the gene influence itself is just an explanation for what they are and why they do what they do.
Parasites are born to suck blood, cause illness, and bring little good into the world. They didn't choose to be born parasites, but I still hate them and their existence.
it's insane that some people have accepted men's insane selfishness so much that they're blaming mass shootings on men not getting sex and women being too difficult. I know it's just a minority but even so the rhetoric spooks me.
>>109292>I don't understand how men expect us to not think of them as subhuman and unworthy of attention, when they admit they will destroy society by either giving up on themselves and/or turning violent if they aren't promised pussy in compensation.
I dont blame them checking out of society, they're not that smart and they need us more than we need them. I actually feel kind of bad for some of the men on 4chan. When they don't have any ambition or goals in life and all they seem to care about is "tfw no gf". Yet they can't even manage that. It's sad, pathetic even, but understandable why they're depressed nihillistic husks of people.
I don't feel bad for them at all because their sadness is just an expressions of their entitlement and selfishness. They feel bad for themselves because they can't get a another human being use as a fleshlight and surrogate mommy. They are subhumans who want to be uplifted and venerated by others for no reason other than they are XY narcissists.
Why should I care for a creature who has no goals, no will, not motivation? It's like feeling sad that monkeys can't read. They do not have the equipment to be fully human, and can never be taught how to be fully human.
Even if they do manage to get a gf, they treat them like objects, because that's all they ever wanted.
On top of that they aren't even just sad and mopey about it. These men are violent, bitter, angry, and fixate on the idea of hurting/harming women and girls as an act of "retribution". Always addicted to abusive and pedophilic porn, too.
I think everyone here is making a gross oversimplification of the "men threaten us with societal violence if they don't get sex, so women are supposed to give sex to violent sociopaths THAT'S CRAZY!" Being charitable to that argument, I don't think men or anyone really is born a violent, maladjusted sociopath, but society continually fails them until they're pushed beyond some margin. It's not a threat, more a consequence of a broken society. Obviously this outcome puts evolutionary pressure on a system that prevents men from getting to that point. It's not like sinister misogynists are sitting around deliberately crafting societies to oppress women under threat of violence, it's just sorta what happens. Same outcome, just without the intent.
>>109535>men threaten us with societal violence if they don't get sex (reproduction)
Yes, this is literally foundational impetus and function of patriarchy.>I don't think men or anyone really is born a violent, maladjusted sociopath
Well then you're stupid. The way society "failed" these dregs is not giving them easy access to a female servant, btw. >it's just sorta what happens
male behavior and the consequences of it is not some mysterious magical force. It is a manifestation of the male will which is influenced by male biology, which is to say, what benefits men.
the "it's society" shit is exhausting and takes attention away from the fact that the group with the most power to influence men are other men.
Many men refuse to acknowledge basic issues, including those that cause men a lot of mental harm and depression that could easily be improved. They keep on repeatedly laughing at the "feminazis" bringing them up. Doesn't matter if there's scientific backing to them, men will rip it apart in order to look good to other men–if it makes men feel good in the moment…it's king shit.
Then they turn around and start screeching about society not supporting men while backstabbing every woman that sacrifices shit for a man and calls her used goods.
Men are cowards incapable of challenging the status quo set by other men T B H. This is most of the issue. .
At the end of the day men are failing to give basic care to other men and refuse to read any books or learn anything, or go to therapy in order to help other men to learn how to be happy on their own. Men would rather touch themselves and cum than emotionally support a suicidal friend.
They're all repeatedly and viciously beating one another that society and women not being easy to have sex with is the problem, which in turn further digs the grave of millions of impotent men. In reality, their bros just don't really care that much about one another and they're starting to rot from the inability to realize that the millions of men that blindly agree with everything they say don't give any shits about them.
>>109545>>109547>they basically are failing to give basic care to other men
Men are monkeys and just want to coom and dominate. The best thing society has done for these soulless incels is give them pornography and videogames to pacify them, letting them pretend to be the warrior-kings with an endless harem like they always wanted.
> refuse to read any books or learn anything in order to help other men to learn how to be happy on their own
This idea seems strange to women but the vast majority of men will never be happy on their own. Their desires (primarily focused on power, domination, control, and sex) are a bottomless pit. Their happiness is based almost entirely on externalities, their emotions in general are directed externally.
They need women to be complete, to continue their existence. It's a manifestation of their reproductive insecurity. They will never be fully complete biological creatures and their psychology reflects this directly.
>>109524>Parasites are born to suck blood, cause illness, and bring little good into the world. They didn't choose to be born parasites, but I still hate them and their existence.
I agree, but "hating" something, and thinking that something "immoral" are two different things. Has your entire elaboration so far just been one very long complicated way of saying "I hate men"? Because that doesn't require a discourse. You can hate anyone for any reason very easily.
>>109235>Men want to use us for creating mini-moids, as sex dispensers, and as house cleaners. To say that men love women or are heterosexual is false. They are pedophile coomer insects devoid of souls.
>>109246>muh 'different but equal', being aware of how men have fucked us over history and tried to cover it up is 'unhelpful'
If things are different, they can't be equal. I'm talking about different but comparable things.
There kind of isn't a point, I've come to find. It's a shame because I have always loved them so and felt dreamy about them, all way the back to being five years old.
The reality is that a bisexual or lesbian woman is who or what actually loves women. Men are pure sex appeal and resources and to add their one ingredient for the next generation. That's all.
I suggest cultivating female friendships and/or finding a woman that does not mind if your orientations are not exactly a match.
I find it karmatic and interesting that so many hundreds of millions of men hate older women (i.e., over 30), but so many men whine about men not being able to get women despite making a factory of contempt that makes them incapable of feeling happy with the majority of women. They act like this is why men kill themselves and etc. Ouroboros rhetoric.
So many assholes see the age thing as a "whoops! I guess you have to settle!" thing when…it's not that…it's actually "well if you aren't loved more than he would another willing or hotter woman, you are better off alone." Men often fetishize nihilistic, structureless relationships and many people bully women into being in them…even though these often have no robust future. Often takes massive amounts of cope being pipe-fed to women in order to keep monogamous relationships together in the long-run, especially as men start cheating a lot more as their wives age.
It's my theory that soon we're gonna see massive amounts of women and girls separating from men permanently tbh and it's only going to grow. But we'll see.
Fantasy relationships have really fucked up women and girls and how we perceive men starting at a young age. Shit is like propaganda. We grow up thinking most moids are capable of love and a deep connection, but it's just not reality.
I hate how males never realize just how worthless they are. Dick is cheap and abundant, but they always act like women need to make concessions for them to be worthy of their consideration, as if they are the prize.
They are just so selfish and entitled and you can never, ever, get through to them because their narcissism barrier is too strong.
lol what mental gymnastics did this guy jump through to decide that watching porn is natural?
make pp feel good. pp feels are a man's moral compass.
You know what? I think that is exactly what got me in the first place. Thinking they were anything like that to begin with.
They're so… flat in reality. It's so uninteresting.
This is so obviously written by a man it's hilarious and sad at the same time. LMAO
Only men measure a woman's worth by her fertility. Plus only men peacock about their social status on the internet to win arguments.
Men are master projectors because they lack empathy and are less intelligent than women, so their way of determining what makes a woman feel accomplished and happy is what they themselves want, which is always the big family thing yadda yadda because of their stupid ideologies and insecurity, thus the need to lock a woman down through children and housewife-ing since they aren't confident they would be able to keep her any other way (which they are totally right about lmao).
Nothing wrong with wanting a family both for men and for women, but the attitude most moids have towards it + the real reason they have this obsessive life goal is what makes it disgusting from the start.
That's why single moms are at an all time high? Because men are so interested in locking down women by having children with them? They're so interested in being fathers and having a big family they just fucking leave as soon as they get a woman pregnant lol makes total sense.
There are more married moms with cheaters and abusive men than single moms, tho. LOL
Males are very low-investment with their offspring, this is true for 99% of the animal kingdom. They just want to make sure their genetic material has been successfully spread, that's all.
The honest ones will leave. The ones who stick around are usually just using the woman for free domestic labor and a source of guaranteed sex.
About pic, does anyone have the original post of the husband? I've seen this pic around a bunch of times now and I'm interested in reading it.
Why do men who supposedly hate women so much go out of their way to invade women-only spaces ? Like why? If I hate something I wouldn't spend my time focusing on it. What the fuck is their problem? Like just fuck off and do something with your life instead of complaining about women on the internet like a manchild.
They're zombie drones of the male hivemind tbh that see stuff like this as glitches in the Matrix to delete, lest their delusion fall apart. They love violating women's boundaries and being entitled control freaks. Subsets to this is some of these guys being creepy martyr fake victims that go out of their way to look for fuel, or guys that see stuff like this and go "kek women aren't innocent lambs."
is it me, or a lot of alt-right/qanon men seem obsessed with liberals being pedos and this is a huge talking point even though they also argue that pedophilia is ok all the time too? And act like only disgusting feminists take issue with men creeping on 13 year olds?
It's so weird.
She deleted them out of embarrassment.>His posts are not available anymore as I deleted them once discovered out of embarrassment
how do u get over men sexualizing everything?
been tryin to learn finance and etc. and what I didn't expect was seeing a bunch of men talking about women like meat. even on less deep web circles it's a huge problem.
if I was a size queen I still wouldn't be bringing it up in normal conversation.
Yeah, the same people accusing liberals of being pedophiles are the same people who are pedophiles
You can actually compress the viewpoints of many individuals and get something coherent and logical out of it
Perhaps you are confusing the libertarian crowd and the alt-right crowd.>>110016
It's never bothered me, so I wouldn't know what to tell you. Good luck finding a way out though.
>>109857>even though they also argue that pedophilia is ok all the time too?
Who does this?
Actually not. I'm referring directly to what guys in alt-right circles behave like, the content they share, the viewpoints they argue for, etc. Tons regularly try justifying liking teens or younger is just biology. IDK what libertarians are doing but I'm sure they're pedo-y too.
also is it me or we're getting brigaded a tiny bit?
*the site, not this thread per se.
there aren't any men in any of my classes but i'd like to rant about my friends situation. she's more of polyamourous (?) of person and tends to hookup with several men. she honestly has not had a lot good experiences and she told me she knew her current bf was the one for her because he didn't try to touch her while she slept. it makes me so upset for her. one of her (former) friends basically assaulted her at a party. he still hangs out with her friend group and they still hang out with him despite all of them knowing what he did to her. she told me he showed up to her job today and just stared at her. i'm really trying to convince her to report him to the UPD. why are moids so disgusting?
Has anyone else noticed how men go often on woe me tangents?
Like talking about how hard their life is and bringing up dumb fucking shit from the past that somehow still haunts them (and justifies them being a shitty person) like how their crush turned them down in 2nd grade LMAO
Why do they do this?
what the fuck nona that sounds just like my friend
does she work at subway
Because even though they don't give women credit for it, they know women can be emotionally manipulated easily. Faking vulnerability makes women feel like the bond is stronger than it actually is.
A lot of women especially insecure ones go along with it and now a lot of men mindlessly use their tragic back stories to get optimal pussy.
When it doesn't work these men will claim women are heartless and hate men being sensitive and emotional.
Soon, millions of more men will justify playing games all day and neglecting their children bc they have "depression". It's now becoming a master play to get out of being a decent human being.
Is there a good argument as to why pedophiles and rapists shouldn't get their dicks cut off? Is that too extreme or what?
Why should a pedophile experience sexual pleasure? He's going to always get off child porn (whether it's real or drawings). & will most likely end up abusing children in his lifetime.
A rapist ruined the life/lives of his victim(s). Why should he continue to experience pleasure considering he traumatised people for life and will most likely never feel remorseful, and will do it again if he gets the chance?
Moids think getting castrated is the absolute worst punishment but I think it's only fair. There's also chemical castration but that's reversible.
because of the possibility that even one of such cases was an innocent man
in that case permanent incarceration, death penalty, etc shouldn't exist then.
Congrats, you discovered the basics of law in a civilized society
Enroll in the nearest law school to learn more!
>>110224>Why should a pedophile experience sexual pleasure?
Why should anyone feel sexual pleasure in the first place? You make it sound like none rapey-moids exist. I feel like I missed a step in your logic.>Why should he continue to experience pleasure considering he traumatised people for life and will most likely never feel remorseful, and will do it again if he gets the chance?
Well, your question pre-loads that rehabilitation isn't possible, If we pre-suppose this you are correct. How would you prove whether a rapist feels remorse or not?
There are a lot of reasons as to why death penalty should not longer be used:
1) It is impossible to completely rule out the possibility of an innocent being found guilty. Therefore, irreversible sentences should be avoided.
2) Ethically speaking, the goal of a sentence should be to rehabilitate, not to punish and it is impossible to rehabilitate a corpse.
3) Studies show that victims don't tend to feel better if their abuser is killed/very harshly punished. Best results are obtained by giving victims opportunities to take part in the proceedings, to be listened to, to hear genuine remorse from the abuser etc.
Of course you are allowed to disagree with any of these points.
Firstly, all men are pedophiles. They just want to assign the social stigma of the label to their enemies/outgroup.
RW men call LW men pedophiles, ironically, as an expression of their pedophilia and misogyny (almost all males are ideologically motivated by their male-centered interests, how they rationalize them is the only thing that ever changes).
RW males hate when leftist groom children into what they see as "rejecting gender roles". They want boys growing into masculine men and girls growing up into feminine women, because the enforcement of gender roles is beneficial to them and their ideology. When they see a rejections of gender roles they think they want to make boys feminine and make girls masculine. Males on the whole are unable to understand males/females as humans or even animals. Males are only able to perceive masculinity/femininity. Like I said earlier here>>109254>Moid "understanding" of "opposite genders" is exactly that, genders. Males operate on the premise that what is socially enforced as femininity is female and what is socially enforced as masculinity is male- which are products of patriarchal systems of themselves. What men think makes women distinct is pink dress and squee at babies.
RW males are terrified of the idea of separating biological sex with the gender roles they enforce, which is why they hate leftists and hate radical feminists (without ever understanding the radfem critique of gender in the first place). They can only see a world where boys are turned into sissies and girls are turned into overbearing, unattractive dykes.
They think LW moids are motivated to abolish gender roles because of pedophilia and other types of sexual degeneracy… and they are actually correct. LW moids want to inverse gender roles because they believe it gives them easier access to sex. Everything liberal feminism advocates for is just a way for males to get more sex with more people (including children) with less investment.
Yet still, liberal moids are incapable of truly abolishing gender roles. They simply want to expand who can embody these roles. This is exactly why trannies can only be hyper-feminine to be seen as "women".
All moids operate on the belief that gender identity and the adherence to it is more important that biological sex.
Right wing men hate liberal ideas of gender roles because
-they turn boys into "sissies" who cannot uphold the patriarchy/chauvinism/masculinist culture
They panic about GNC boys the same way they panic about homosexuals. They want to ensure all males everywhere are maintaining the standards of masculinity and the advantage men have over women.
-they make girls unfuckable, since they are no longer sufficiently feminine. The less fuckable you are as a female, the worse men value you and your existence.
Males see women and girls as reproductive chattel. They response to supernormal stimuli (femininity) over actual XX females. Women are worth less as chattel when they aren't serving their purpose, make pp hard.
Because men view the act of sex through gender and not literal biological sex, they don't see the irony of calling other men pedophiles for wanting to inverse the gender roles of children while wanting a 13yo stereotypically feminine childbride.
To add, RW men can only see the reversal/destruction of gender roles as inherently sexual, because they maintain gender roles to ensure their own sexual gratification. They can only assume the same is true for their opposition.
To them, liberal men are keeping them from sex because gender roles/patriarchy makes it easier to get sex. They can only assume that liberal men are doing this as some sort of intersexual competition, and are thus pedophiles. (they are right in this assessment, because LW men are braindead pedos like all men)
They also think radfems and women are keeping them from sex because they are old jealous roastie hags who hate all men and will do "unnatural and unholy" things (dismantling gender roles) as retribution. They resent the idea of women teaching girls to be themselves and live for themselves, instead of training them to play a hyperfeminine role and become servile to men. The pedophilic implications here are very obvious.
It all comes down to men trying to ensure that we are our gender, we are made to embody femininity, we are objects for them to use. The only difference between LW and RW men is that LW men don't think you need to have XX chromosomes to be part of the feminine underclass.
Because all males know they would be subject to the same treatment.
Known pedophiles are just the ones who got caught. In a society that kills/castrates pedophiles, 99% of men would live in fear of the day of being found out and their dicks cut off.
Males love to ensure other male criminals aren't punished appropriately. There's no reason we need to keep these dregs alive in prison cells. We only do it because men know they are just a few steps away from becoming wife beaters, rapists, child molesters. Men are parasites who only want to be punished enough to keep civilization running but will always have access to siphoning the bloodflow, even if it's less than what they're used to.
Your empathy should only apply to women, not moids. 99% of moids in the prison system should be swiftly executed, not even the ones surely guilty of horrendous crimes.
I don't care about integrating failed males back into society nor do I care about their victims "feeling better" (they never will). I care about exterminating unfit male genes and making sure society does not have to bear the burden of their existence.
eh, anonette, that's too eugenics-y–it's highly unrealistic and would cause more issues.
also even if it's just in name, some semblance of respecting human life is important for society even if it's bullshit sometime.
don't get me wrong though. if I could push a button that stopped many of those men from ever being born I'd press it. I'd feel terrible for it for the rest of my life but society would be improved over it. >>110274
I agree with though, specifically the fearmongering part. so many issues in society would basically resolve over night if men were taught to fear or actually police one another for doing sick things. imagine that men laughed at and humiliated men being creepy to women…to their faces. something as simple as men being proactive and genuinely looking down on it is the only thing that'd make those subhumans wake up. instead of just being sheeps that only care when it hurts their status.
This is what I've been thinking. I see so many right wing moids defend sus age gap relationships, their fixation on fertility (the fact that they're wrong on most things related to men's and women's fertility in relation to age makes it even funnier).
I think there's little difference between right wing and left wing moids they just shit on each other because of different ideologies/political stances, but moids aren't self aware enough to realize they're 99% the same, especially when it comes to women. Right wing - private property, left wing - public property.
The only argument against that I see as somewhat valid is that they didn't chose to be born this way, but it only applies to non offending pedophiles.
I don't buy it though because most pedos are moids and moids aren't known to withhold their sexual urges just to not hurt someone. Every pedo is a ticking time bomb waiting til they get a chance to touch a child. Also feel free to correct me on this but I think pedophiles/child rapists are extremely prone to recidivism, moreso than other criminals I think.
In my experience men show more aggression to feminist beliefs, 'innocent' men getting falsely accused and basically to everything that involves a poor 1 in 100000000 moid that got unfairly treated than they show to violence, rape, harassment towards women.
Damn I knew something was off about her - I started being wary of her when I found out how over-sympathetic she is to "redpillwomen", she has even invited them to her site for fuck sake. Her giving space to blackpill feminism which currently is a misogynistic cesspit (turned into it during saidit era) wasn't a trustworthy move either.
they keep on acting like not getting pussy is what makes men unhappy. lol. watching men cannibalize themselves is tragic comedy.
I remember when Joe Rogan sperged out and cried something like "well, toxic masculinity built BRIDGES!" and I feel like that pretty much sums up men's capacity to understand critiques.
being an emotionally stunted, hyper violent pedophile who views half the population as inferior objects builds bridges.
monogamy is the matriarchal structure. polygamy is the patriarchal one.
Monogamy can be expressed different ways in the best interest of both men and women. Women idealize monogomy as pair-bonding with one man for life and forming a deep emotional connection. Socially enforced patriarchal monogamy is basically state mandated GFs for the bottom percentile of men to bribe them into complacency.
I don't see how removing women's autonomy and essentially forcing any any every woman to cohabitate with a man for her literal survival is a "matriarchal structure". This is how marriage and monogamy functions under scrote rule.
Real monogamy in mammals is seen when>the male and female are the same size or the female is larger than the male>the male and female pair bond>the male invests a large amount, sometimes even more, into raising offspring than the female
Patriarchy is when males grow huge in comparison to females and spend their time killing each other and each other's babies in order to rape females and spread their genes, and do not invest in offspring.
Monogamy is matriarchal because it guarantees paternal investment. In patriarchal structures the male doesn't invest, and will routinely kill babies in order to mate, and he can't be stopped because he's larger than the female.
woman and raccoon.…
>>110412>Real monogamy in mammals is seen when>the male and female are the same size or the female is larger than the male
I used to be interested in imagining an ideal world where female humans are larger than male humans, but then I came to this website and had that concept ruined.
There are monogamous species that pair bond which are cute, but human monogamy is not always expressed the same. The thing about humans is that we have the ability to form complex social structures and macro-manage societies using culture, law, and religion.
Two striped pacific octopuses mutually coming together to mate for life is not equatable to women being forced to rely on scrotes via marriage to keep the patriarchy functioning like the pyramid-scheme that it is. This is not true monogamy, it's more like sexual extortion.>Monogamy is matriarchal because it guarantees paternal investment. In patriarchal structures the male doesn't invest, and will routinely kill babies in order to mate, and he can't be stopped because he's larger than the female.
You can look into the history of marriage laws and you'll find monogamy is mostly enforced by scrotes.
It's not black and white like you think.
Monogamy can be scrotey by uplifting failed male genes by forcing women to cohabitate with and pass down the genes of the bottom percentile.
Monogamy can also be in women's interest by allowing people to consensually pair-bond and support one another.
Polygamy can be scrotey by forcing females to become irrelevant harem fodder while moids kill each other
Polygamy can also be in women's interest by allowing women to separate themselves from men (and their abuse) and only interact with the highest quality men when they want to collect genetic material. >>110433
raccoon-anon was based though, what are you talkin about
My point is that the reason monogamy doesn't work for humans is because we're not actually a monogamous primate species. If we were, we'd look like it. i.e. we'd be bigger than men and pair bonding would be easy and all men (all of them) would really enjoy raising babies and they'd be good at it.
Monogamy in human history is a forced dynamic to get males to have wives so they will work and not revolt. our actual evolutionary history is one where men were killing babies and raping women and killing each other.
No sexually dimorphic species is 100% monogamous. The ability to sexually reproduce is very efficient at selecting for the best genes via Y-chromosome bottlenecking, which inherently means not every member of a species will (or should) pair bond.
I idealize monogamy and pair bonding as far as my relationships go… and I know the vast majority of women feel the same. But it's just not something that can be realized fully for everyone. I have made peace with this fact.
> our actual evolutionary history is one where men were killing babies and raping women and killing each other.
They still do this because you can only correct chimp behavior so much via social conditioning. Literally all males will engage in this behavior, not just humans/primates. It's the nature of the XY. This is why raccoon anon is right and why we need to bio-engineer moids to be small, cute, and submissive. She is the only one with a real solution.
if you use 4chan there's a guy on the science board that talks about the same thing
I do not use 4chan. Is a man talking about hypergamy in sexually reproductive species, or making raccoon males?
He, apparently, is a geneticist who claims to be actively researching how to reverse dimorphism in humans in order to make a matriarchy and eliminate male violence against women.
I don't know genetics but when he talks about it he seems to be specific about the genes related to size and how to change the y chromosome to make men small and stuff. I don't know if he's bullshitting or if he's serious because I don't know genetics.
He sort of gets weird sometimes though because he openly admits its due to a fetish of his. but he also will talk about how he hates males being bigger than females because of rape and stuff. So I'm always conflicted when I see his posts.
males think very superficially and are always motivated by coom. No wonder he's fixated on height and is doing so because of a fetish. I want to bio-engineer moids to have complete human souls so shit like this doesn't continuously manifest.
raccoon and woman.…
Have you ever been scared by the strength of men?>>>/feels/31526
A few posters in that thread started wondering what the world would be like if men were smaller and weaker. It turned into a meme and spread into other threads, like>>>/feels/53450
4chan moids have started a new meme where they write shit like "lesbians aren't real" and it's bleeding into ao3 where they write corrective rape fanfiction and post it in lesbian tags. Holy fucking shit I hate moids.
>a m*le made this and thought it was sexy
I'm pretty sure you'd have to be a literal toddler to not understand what milkers are. Jesus christ.
I morbidly wonder what a desperate moid that has consumed 100s of hours of content like this actually feels about real women.
Everyone who calls breasts "mommy milkers" should be on a list somewhere
I am concerned by the fetishification of stupidity and childlike ignorance.
Someday we all need to sit down and have a serious conversation about Skyla.
imo that's a symptom of men not caring about most of what a woman is or does, not just pedophilia which I'm not sure is fixable.
I've seen men shitting on women for being aware that most guys prioritize sex. They feel entitled towards women acting like any man is an innocent angel that just wants true love.
Is the joke she's stupid or innocent and optimistic? How would you tell the difference from one and the other?
A little from column A, a little from column B.
Well as far as I can tell what is "attractive" about character is innonence. I don't think anyone here or on moid imageboards laughs at
Skyla for being the way she is, if they even do. I don't think there's scorn in it like when somebody calls somebody else a retard.At best
you could argue it's a form of infantilizing woman, but, that's a different matter altogether.
I don't think anyone laughs at her for being stupid. I think guys lust after her for being stupid. And they idealize relationships based on a power imbalance where they're way smarter than the girl, and the girl will stay loyal and never leave because she's too dumb to notice any of their red flags.
Don't forget about men obsessed with aspie: An overly infantalized caricature of a woman with HFA
the problem is innocence is super temporary in nature and it reeks of an extreme power imbalance.
most boys have seen rape/BDSM/furry/incest porn (whether real or not) by age 18.
the person who drew >>110500
is probably a huge degenerate that fetishizes the opposite of what he is which…is completely unrealistic for almost anyone.
in general it seems like men want women to be extremely ignorant and naive and play dumb, even though it's heavily pedophilia-coded.
That one bothers me less because her male counterpart is stupid and awkward too, so they're both on fairly equal terms.
The Madonna/Whore complex.
Okay understandable, very reasonable point. So I ask again, how would you tell the difference between them fetishizing innocence and optimism vs stupidity? Until we can resolve that there's nothing here to state except a whole bunch of assumptions. I don't buy it.>>110503
I can't lie, I'm 100% biased on her. I'm certain rapey moids have some fantasy of her, but any depictions I've seen of Aspie-chan with apu have been utterly innocent and adorable. With aspie-chan there is a large number of literally, literally
, mentally retarded autistic men who do this. Like literal child-minded ones that focus on her. Again, probably a bunch of sickos that do too, but I am 100% biased.
her male counterpart is pepe? if it is pepe then that kind of looks bad because you have a normal cute girl and then an abomination…
(sry pepe I love you)
apu apu staja is not pepe fuck off
If apu is pepe, cece is pepe
Apu and Aspie.png
His name is Apu Apustaja and he is separate from Pepe.
Apu is a cartoon frog while aspie is a human woman with fully developed breasts and ass. If she was supposed to be innocent she'd be female apu, but she's an enbie recolor instead.
You are mistaking the chicken for the egg, aspie-chan predates enbie-chan.
>>110507>So I ask again, how would you tell the difference between them fetishizing innocence and optimism vs stupidity?
I can only rely on a gut feeling regarding the author's intentions, but I've read enough posts from her fans to know what her fans' intentions are.
Yes, I am aware that my irritation is entirely my own fault. I chose to go into those threads. I chose to read those posts. I accept responsibility for all of that. But still, come on.
She most certianly does not. Aspie was created as a fixed enbie.
I can't, I've been apparently diagnosed with autism. This guy feeling I don't have. As far as I can tell this isn't bimbo shit because she's not stupid in the way an adult is stupid, but you're saying it's vague so I can't figure heads from tales.
I suppose >>110504
has a point about power imbalance, but, as Skyla goes through the comics if anything it's canon that the hard-right nazi slowly changes, not Skyla.
What an apt typo to make though kek.
It shouldn't be women's role to "save" men through the power of the woman's innocence and purity.
Since most of them post on 4chan, I guarantee you they're already on multiple lists. lol
Didn't say it was, but if it was about power balance, why would it be depicted that way?
I'm trying to understand, it's the fact she's drawn as a fixed enbie-chan that makes her not-innocent?
Like sorry for doubleposting, but if it was about expressing power over Skyla it would just be "colonized" porn or whatever shit meme /pol/ tries to push where the Nazi expresses power over Skyla right? Right? Am I just retarded and don't understand any of this?
The character is innocent but the intention behind her isn't.
The male character gets to exist as a fat blob that anyone can project onto while the female counterpart is posing uncomfortably with her butt out and is clearly representative of what the artist found sexy.
>>110524>The character is innocent but the intention behind her isn't.
Well death of the author and all that.
My concern wasn't the in-comic canon. It may be unbalanced that she saves him through her purity and innocence, and he'll never save her back except by reminding her to not eat Tide pods, but whatever.
My concern is the real life fans who read the comic and idealize a relationship in real life where they find happiness by being smarter than a stupid girlfriend. These people are going to deliberately seek out unbalanced relationships, and be upset when they don't live out like the fantasy.
>>110524>The male character gets to exist as a fat blob
This but unironically. They should both be blobs anyone can project onto, but only Apu is a blob. Aspie is drawn as the artist's desires.
>>110526>My concern is the real life fans who read the comic and idealize a relationship in real life where they find happiness by being smarter than a stupid girlfriend.
Okay so we're going with the framework that she's stupid not innocent, well, if that is the case, if it's fetishizing her as being stupid.
Then again wait, I don't even think the Nazi dates Skyla does he? They're just friends? There's not even a romantic relationship in this comic now that I think about it.
>These people are going to deliberately seek out unbalanced relationships, and be upset when they don't live out like the fantasy.
Okay, with you so far. Fantasies are bad and we don't want real people acting them out. Reasonable enough.
I think they just fetishize innocence in women because real women who are more mature than them, and get angry at things that they have a right to be angry at, is scary to these men. They're afraid of dealing with "difficult" things, like women's emotions, and of taking responsibility, so they fantasize about women who won't ever get mad at them for anything and accept all their flaws and weaknesses. And yes, she is being fetishized, her design makes it obvious. She was clearly designed to appeal to some moid's tastes in women.
This character and her treatment in particular repulse me not only because of what I've just said, but also because of the political implications and how both things relate to each other. And also because the art is shit.
this looks like it was drawn by a fat fetishist tbh. And there's already some female Apu art.
I don't know how that would work, the original apu apustaja was drawn by a mentally retarded man worrying whose caretaker couldn't come that day. He was worried about starving to death. The english translation is "help helper". I suppose female apu is also fine, but, I don't know, that feels like fetishizing the mentally retarded to me.
Okay, so as I thought she isn't "stupid" as much as a weak man's projection of "innocence" trying to cower away from the abject terror that is being rejected by women. Understandable and you've made some great points.
The fact that she was created independently of Apu is what makes the intention innocent again. Nobody said "I'm going to give Apu a sexy girlfriend". Instead, somebody said "Here are two characters that I like, and now I'm going to try putting them together and seeing what happens".
>>110533> the original apu apustaja was drawn by a mentally retarded man worrying whose caretaker couldn't come that day
Really? I thought he was just like Spurdo Sparde but for Pepe.
so a human woman with full boobs and ass isn't fetishy but a frog born female is? just admit ur meme appeals to moids dude
Big brain move, both are fetishy.
if you aren't a guy…understand the fact that regardless of how you feel, this thing you like a lot is vastly fetishized by men, created because many of them only value childlike qualities, and isn't the peak of wholesomeness.
repeatedly posting it looks kind of bad on the PP thread of all things.
it doesn't exist in a vacuum. >>110530
Nope, mentally retarded men worried "help helper" didn't come that day to get him food.
>>110540>it doesn't exist in a vacuum.
Nta, but guess I'm just never allowed to enjoy anything ever again just because some moid somewhere does.
Nobody is saying that. We're saying that you need to acknowledge that she's created with the intention of being a wholesome 100 gf for moids with self diagnosed autism. You can like something but admit it has flaws. Shocking, I know.
The thing is, we're not really disagreeing. I completely agree that she's fetishized by dumb men who want a dumber woman because they can't handle a relationship on equal terms.
My original post was>That one bothers me less because her male counterpart is stupid and awkward too, so they're both on fairly equal terms.>That one bothers me less
Not entirely equal, but still much closer to equality than Nazi x Skyla.
Why are you going this hard for bee movie aimed at 4channers
I don't know the story behind that character's creation, but it might just be that the moid(s) who created her tried to make her "innocent, naive, cute and funny" to the point that they just made her genuinely stupid, because they fetishize child-like innocence so much and have no idea what an innocent person would be like in real life.
>>110544>Nobody is saying that. We're saying that you need to acknowledge that she's created with the intention of being a wholesome 100 gf for moids with self diagnosed autism.
I suppose there is a moid out there somewhere that matches this description. As far as I can tell though this pairing exists for legitimately retarded man children not the self-diagnosed kind, then again, the diagnosis part wouldn't abate the actual retardation part.
I don't even think it counts as flaw, using the definition "it appeals to moids" doesn't seem like good flaw since that applies to everything, but then again, we do not live in a perfect world.>>110545
Does Nazi date Skyla? I thought they were just friends.
What would an innocent person be like in real life?
Why are you even in this general if you can't grasp the basic concept that "men on 4chan are horribly misogynistic"?
At any point have I claimed men aren't horribly misogynistic?
Also isn't Skyla from twitter/facebook and just happens to get posted to 4chan places? Am I wrong on this one too?
You are refusing to acknowledge that aspie was made by misogynistic men. Not saying that you can't like her, but you keep pretending like she's made for actual autistic people and not for weirdo autism fetishists.
Good point, fair enough, how would we prove it one way or the other in that case? You seem quite convinced, so I suppose you have proof? Were you the one arguing that because she's not just "female apu" that proves it?
wasn't she the one that admitted to being biased?
Not that Anon, but you are being weirdly aggressive about this.
There are two aspie-chan stans in this thread.
I know I'm not>>110524
>>110555>how would we prove it one way or the other in that case? https://archive.wakarimasen.moe/qa/thread/3730452/#q3734051
Here is the thread she comes from. One look at this thread and you know exactly who she's made for.
Oh wait nvm that's exactly what you said, sorry.>>110550
Definitely not so oblivious to everything that they come off as mentally challenged.
Lacking a little bit of common sense or assuming the best intentions from others, especially in situations they had never found themselves in, but otherwise mature, not child-like. Able to learn from their experiences. Etc., etc.
Well it proved something alright, what does it exactly mean when it's enbie-chan plus derpina? Misogyny? Like is this your proof? >>110562
There is no way you are this dumb, you gotta be trolling.
you're just being ridiculous. I'm referring to something that was obviously were made to cater to questionable men for a kind of misogynistic reason. Also noting things don't exist in a vacuum isn't the same as saying someone isn't allowed to enjoy something.
it's just enjoying a 4chan-fetishized childlike character here is awkward. for obvious reasons.
Even when provided with proof in plain sight that asspiss was created to be a heckin' cute autism gf, she's ignored everything. I think at this point it's just a troll.
>>110561>Definitely not so oblivious to everything that they come off as mentally challenged.
Well, not even addressing the fact artistic license exists, this feels like a non-answer. "They would be innocent without being stupid" okay yes, I that was what I requested.>Lacking a little bit of common sense or assuming the best intentions from others, especially in situations they had never found themselves in, but otherwise mature, not child-like.
As far as I can tell that's what Skyla is? What does maturity mean in this context?>Able to learn from their experiences. Etc., etc.
Skyla's does this.>>110564
Apparently I am because I didn't know moids sexualized derpina I'll be honest, I might just be the biggest retard in this thread.
There is always going to be some overlap between 4chan culture and this board's culture, between what they like and what we like. If I wanted a different type of culture then I would go to Rdd
t or Twtt
>>110560>reading posts in thread>Can you make enby flipping a pancake or shaking the pan?
What am I even looking at?
I'm sorry but that's the sort of mental leap that makes me wonder if you're a guy. >fetishized sexually by 4chan (implied: male) over being stupid and knowing nothing about the world >literal same as here, a female-orientated site, and we LOOOOOOVE her
honestly it's fine if you like her. it's just tone deaf and bizarre you crashed into the pinkpill thread and started spamming about a character like this. like. what even is the point other than causing more stress for yourself.
What do you think "nta" means?
Honestly I would've never posted aspie as an example of 4chan males fetishizing autism if I knew that it'd cause a meltdown of epic proportions from people who can only like things they 100% agree with.
>>110571>what even is the point other than causing more stress for yourself.
This applies to anyone posting in the pinkpill thread in general. As much as I may believe that a thing such as "venting" exists, most people here just seem to come here to find things to be outraged about and post about being outraged.
We're talking about our shared experiences as women with men treating us poorly. You're coming here to whine about a cartoon character that has been proven (>>110562) to be fetish bait. These things are not the same.
True enough, those things are not the same.
other than the people I suspect are a guy (minor disagreements are fine) this thread is kinda comfy for me >.> think I said before that literally I don't really care about guys normally and talk about them like human beings in other contexts, but it's nice having somewhere to actually roast and vent about them. I find myself more relaxed afterwards.
Hmm, guess that's a non-zero example of this thread working as intended.Maybe you could give the TERF thread some pointers on how to chill the fuck out.
>>110442>our actual evolutionary history is one where men were killing babies and raping women and killing each other
God, humanity was a mistake
"People" (men) are freaking mutated abominations. Throughout most of human history. Absolutely the most unnatural freakish species on this planet. There is nothing you can do to convince me otherwise. :o
Tbh, I really love monogamy and consider all other kinds of sexual arrangements filthy and degenerate. Perhaps we could evolve into serially monogamous species? It's pretty well-known that during the course of human history our sexual dysmorphism has actually been reduced and our cooperation skills have increased. Perhaps there is still hope for us? I want future without filthy promiscuity.
Monogamy doesn't guarantee more paternal investment into the offspring, it's just a for of sexual arrangement that usually evolves when male access to females is scarce. There is nothing inherently matriarchal in it https://daily.jstor.org/the-totally-unromantic-origin-of-monogamy/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=generalmarketing&utm_content=1550089613
in fact most matriarchal species are polygamous in one way or another (think elephants, killer whales, bonobos, etc). Also monogamy doesn't mean females being bigger, the size difference can wary - somewhere males are bigger (owl monkeys), somewhere are females (some species of lemur), but unlike polygamous species they don't differ as much, only slightly. Sexual arrangements are more a matter of personal preference than "bad for women/good for women", as >>110436
said their benefit for one sex or another depends on the context. JSYK I also am a fan of monogamy, just wanted to correct you a little bit.
>>110621>monogamy arises when females live alone
then there is no hope. society can not be built on polygamy it will always lead to problems and we cant be monogamous if humans are living in groups.
Well, wolves and lemurs also live in groups and yet they are still monogamous. It's not over, anon, don't give up.
The key is to reduce male access to females/make it impossible for them to go on fuck sprees, so that they would be forced to stick to one woman, instead of whoring around.
But if only hot men reproduce, where will we get uggos from? And anyways, the ideal society would have no ugly men at all.
femininity/beauty was particularly selected for while men's other attributes were. ugly men have reproduced through history.
so, what we actually have now is the majority of men being ugly while mostly refusing to improve their looks (unlike many women). And they're extremely envious of the power trip of getting a girl to like them and want to fuck them at first glance. while refusing to acknowledge male competence/intelligence/agency is genuinely attractive too.
Honestly after seeing what those sick fucks do when they are "competent", "intelligent" and, the worst of all, "have agency", I am not attracted to men who are like that at all. If I ever consider getting into a relationship I will only do it with a kind, sensitive, gentle guy, who will have eyes only for me. The maturer you become the more you start value kindness in people.
Your job is to commit a school shooting and end it by blowing your little chin off.
Anon, I'm a fan of kindness too. It's kind of bizarre that you think it's mutually exclusive from intelligence. Having agency IMO involves a man's actions backing up his words. A guy that is "sensitive" in the way he talks a lot yet doesn't have any of his actions to back it up reeks of this: a guy that'd say all sorts of things but wouldn't jump into action to protect you or make you feel good. A passive guy isn't gonna do that.
And quite frankly the sentiment that "dumb guys = kinder" is weird because on average they're more violent. Same with neurotic men. Cold, calculating guys are obviously horrible and no better but like I said these qualities aren't mutually exclusive.
but wolves and lemurs both dont have an evolutionary history of tournament selection. do they?
Yeah I think the dumb guys = kinder kind of jarring too.
In my experience, the dumbest guys I have ever known were all creepy, manipulative coomer preying on young girls. The kindest guys I have met were all smart and college educated
Ah, THAT'S what it is about that image that pisses me off so much. Even though they gave her stupidly huge tits, they also are trying to make her act like an infant, and none of it is credible. The subtle pedoshit is what makes me cringe even more than the toony breasts with non-existent areolas.
It must be inherently m*le to think mansplaining basic shit is attractive in any form. I can imagine a coomer looking at that image and unironically going "ACKSHUALLY…" before kindly elucidating to the blantant bimbo that yes, you are a tittymonster, and expecting her to be SHOCKED by this information, teehee!
I hate men so much.
saw this on /v/, watch out for moids
why can't they just leave us the fuck alone
holy shit, men have an obsession entirely parasitic to women and anythjng related to us
get bent and die. damn
this guy is kind of deranged, like, where is he going on CC that everyone is sounding like buttfuck ugly tradwife fantasies? It's like he's just saying shit.
When women hate men they try to get away from them but when men hate women they actively try to get closer to us but WE'RE the ones that don't make sense?
So he posted this.
Does anyone know if this is real? Does anyone know genetics? Is this guy really bio-engineering racoon males?
is it me or people here think most threads on CC are about moids? been seeing people say that all the time. but I'm looking at the different subs and not getting that sense.
"Not the asshole" doesn't make sense in that context…
I have to say, this site is so refreshing sometimes. I try to talk to other women irl about this stuff and I get told I’m crazy.
The complaints may not be about the moid related threads being created but about how threads seem to be derailed into conversations/arguments about moids
>miner discovers the wonders of Aspie-chan and apu FOR HER
Honestly same anon. That is a cute sperg.
uhhhh…I'm sorry but who's Jerma? I just know the streamer Jerma (the spastic one that does weird improv stuff and has a cool dog–he recently did a real life Sims). I hope that Jerma isn't a 4chan god.
Relatable. I often feel like I'm a bit crazy because, like, I see guys coddling fucked up shit ALL the time and literally DESCRIBE WOMEN LIKE OBJECTS AND FOOD ITEMS AND THEN ACT LIKE IT IS EXTREMELY LOGICAL, while women get out the ball and chain to punish women that say shit about men and don't humanize them enough? Or at least some lesser form of that.
I've seen a few guys say that if they were actually critical of how their male friends talked about women they'd have no friends at all and to this day I wonder how true this is in general.
the fuck? so it really is the streamer Jerma???
I know so little about the internet. I am humbled.
can you talk about why he's even their guy? I don't even get it. He seemed like a pleasant oaf (I just saw a few streams of his over the past years).
Is it because they're weird and he has funny goblin-tier reaction faces, or Jerma is the actual bad guy?
side note it really just sucks for me when I find out a guy I thought was ok - not even great - turns out to be horrible. I kind of want to see some proof that guys can be decent.
Well that isn't as horrible as I imagined.
Am I wrong but…ok so this is my ignorant read: he's just a bumbling guy trying to stream and doesn't want to get involved in politics and people keep projecting shit onto him? Also why the fuck are trannies trying to make themselves out to be trannies? The point of transitioning is to blend into what you want to be rather than have it literally be your whole personality, right? Fuck. I'm so out of the loop of modern internet culture.
and also that his PR/mod team are creeps that police a lot of things, apparently.
or maybe they're transwomen that just want to be respected??
oh also…my words aren't really valuable enough to warrant a third post but lemme say that I have a friend with ADHD irl. She's amazing. But obviously Jerma is doing way more to push the boundaries of what he's doing.
Driving a car isn't actually apart of the metric of being a successful human being IMO. It's cool, but if someone is actually being successful, it's a lot less important. What he did to Kim seems kind of shitty. But also on-brand for "dumb silly moid".
is this sarcastic? if they are IDK why they're even there as it's the most counterintuitive shit in the world. Shutting down people and then wishing to be respected will never work.
Letting transphobic rhetoric and casual transphobia pass is literally killing people. Its 2021, deplatforming works, its not censorship its called basic respect, hate has no place in this world
I was just roleplaying as one of the tranny mods that infiltrated Jermas mod team/discord, using the kind of language they would use yaknow
Ok that was god-tier convincing, gg anon.
ok so lemme get this right…
losers on v coping that they're anything like jerma even though they're not
a lot of schizo shit like >>110820 where everyone is bitching yet apparently following everything he does
trannies arbitrarily getting involved and jerma's mod team operating outside of his control
jerma just doing his own thing and derping
soooo he's exactly like I thought he was and there's drama over nothing.
Good LARP-logue. Wow. Haha 10/10 oscar worthy
The fetish for childlike innocence bordering on pedophilia and a hyper voluptuous figure is real. It's like no matter how "thicc" they like their women they always want them to behave childish
It definitely is. So the female counterpart always is sexualized even if it's lowkey or appeals only to a specific audience of moids.>>110536
And why is it that they like about the girl? They don't think of her as a representation of their personality, that's what Apu is for. They like her because they project their sexual/romantic desires onto her.
Men are, women not perfect but far from a mistake or an evolutionary havoc
You still dressed femApu in stereotypically feminine clothing, you lose.
Moid logic: hates porn and sex work = trad, hates men = ugly,, therefore we are ugly tradwives.>>110754
Will anyone tell him that shitposting is one of the most forgiving things when it comes to banning? Memeing in /b/ without any obvious gross moid shit and not getting banned doesn't mean he won't get banned eventually when he decides to spew his retarded opinions
It's the question I want moids to answer for a long time. Why do they act like parasites?
I don't think most are, but they're the one gathering the most attention. I'm more annoyed at the "I'm 18 and I date a 30 year old guy who obviously wants to pump and dump me, what do I do?" and stupid shit lie that that has an obvious answer to it. I dont mind anons thirsting or showing appreciation for male characters, content creators etc. because het/bi women can't change their orientation and need their sexual/romantic outlets.
I usually don't talk much about moids in this perspective to other women, I go with simple "men are hypocrites/liars/retarded/untrustworthy" etc. and most women agree with me.
He probably rushed it because his other hand was jacking off after he drew the tits and stuff.
I hate how I can't like any piece of media (especially anime or videogames) without coming across porn and thirst traps of all the female characters.
I got into a certain game and almost everything related to it on my YT homescreen was lewd "memes" about the girls.
Can males stop jerking off for 5 minutes?
most if not all 'attractively feminine' behaviours involve acting childish. acting playful, shyly tucking your hair behind your ears, giggling, blushing, bending your wrist… the natural explanation is that moids find youthful traits attractive and this extends to behaviour, but it has terrible consequences. the simplest reason why women are kept out of schools and the workplace is to preserve their childlike behaviours for longer than they would otherwise last.
I didn't draw the picture anon, I just found it on Google.
is it me or men really hate and/or disrespect single mothers?
To a lesser extent, mothers.
Obviously "not all" but it's so common for men to see them like subhumans or solely options to pump and dump.
while, if they are taken, most of their partners don't really count their efforts and carrying a child as having any value at all.
yes, constantly presumptuous towards them as if the only scenario possible to ever make a mom a single mother is that they're whores, not that people change, abuse, or even die.
The ironic part is that they villainize women for being "picky", villainize women for not being loyal aka sticking around no matter what a man does, and then if you try to press the idea of being a housewife or marriage you're an evil gold digger. It just feels like they're setting up us for failure and blaming women for not being psychics but we're also supposed to coddle single dads even if his situation is what they villainize single moms for supposedly doing (sleeping around and picking a chad/stacy that they don't like that much and eventually leaves them)>>110955
it's ironic since they always never shut up about fertility, even though being a mom is solid proof of fertility
Not really a vent on specific behaviors, but more just a vent.
I used to see men as overall good, with a few bad eggs in the mix. Even with a highly abusive father, a psychopathic grandfather and an extremely abusive boyfriend, I still just believed I had just had shitty examples and that men were generally good like anyone else.
Fast forward to now, I now realize men are at their core evil objects that serve no purpose and decrease the value of anyone's life they exist in. While I of course hate them, they don't occupy my thoughts very much anymore (unless I'm here), because I see them the way I see tapeworms – I hate the idea of tapeworms, but since tapeworms are so useless and irrelevant to me, I never think of them except to be disgusted at them. When a man approaches me all I want to do is end the conversation and/or I picture their head spontaneously exploding.
One person drawing a genderbend doesn't negate my argument. This would be like bringing up a sexualized male design from a yaoi game to claim that anime doesn't have a misogyny problem.
If you relaxed just a tiny bit perhaps you could take the stick out of your ass and have a laugh. Responding to a "checkmate atheists" post seriously is retarded.
I post the frog.jp…
Your posts make me sad. Fortunately, I have a solution.
Calm down fren>>111155
I have no problems with the frog tho
Wait a minute…>likes meme fetishizing the autistic>gets mad at people who have actual symptoms of autism
I didn't say that kindness excludes intelligence, read again. I just said that I consider male intelligence non-important and even detrimental, whereas kindness is the trait I praise the most. Obviously kind dumb guys would be at the top in my eyes, but I didn't say that every dumb guy is necessarily golden-hearted.
What stops us from changing our evolutionary history? This history is literally happening right now. Evolution would never exist if all living beings believed that (well behaved is more accurate) "well… My ancestors were /insert smt here/ so I must be like this too!" You are limiting yourself by thinking like this; We are currently living in brand new environment that can modify our biology to an unbelievable extend and we also possess free will that allows us to exhibit irrational (read: unpredictable and not directly caused by surroundings) patterns of behavior that are not motivated neither by our history nor by our biological interests, which when exhibited systemically, by a collective of people can lead to significant biological changes - nurture that transforms into nature (usually is achieved by epigenetics when short termed, but in long term can lead to genetical changes). Doom history doesn't deny us a bright future
This is why I say males are dysgenic because they rely on their history of crippled genes to justify their bad behavior.
I am a full eugenicist at this point. I don't even want death camps and genetic engineering, we could solve 90% of our problems by liberating women of the world from men and teaching them to identify and reject all scrote red flags.
>>111270>we also possess free will that allows us to exhibit irrational
This part isn't new.
Idk, this makes me side-eye men more, if intelligence just makes them shadier. It seems like another version of "men are as faithful as their options" which is a huge doompill.
I disagree it can be a weakness. You would have to reinvent society from the ground up for this to be true. I want it to be true but most experiences point to not as much.
I agree it makes men shadier, but not necessarily women. I really think the whole gene pool simply became a mess because of forced breeding, marriage. It makes me feel ill to be human. But if you dismiss intelligence to feel this way as inherently shady… what does anything even mean?
I'm honestly so fucking confused.
>>111274>>we could solve 90% of our problems by liberating women of the world from men and teaching them to identify and reject all scrote red flags.
I agree but approaching it this way seems like an insane pipe dream. Thank God educating women has slowed population growth down a bit though.
I wasn't. I was just playing the devil's advocate because I'm exhausted with women pretending less intelligent or less desirable men are better. In my experience when women start idealizing certain kinds of men they end up ignoring the bad things.
>>111305> I'm exhausted with women pretending less intelligent or less desirable men are better.
this was always "niceguy" scrote propaganda.
I've had a few friends fall for it and then ended up being burned weeks or months later.
The whole nice guy stuff is infuriating because it's usually code for "oh well this guy is passive/low status, he's a good guy." Not "this guy does good things for other people without expecting anything in return."
This is OFTEN just a mask and a flex. I cant count many times I've seem them flex that way. They have all this happy free space and optimism while women ive known often walk around like theyre on the set of madmen. I mean when it surrounds your irl it really takes away from those kinds of gestures. How do you not get turned off by that???? They beat you down so they can help you<333 jeez just what I always wanted <333
Honestly maybe this kind of guy deserves the biggest kick in the face
I once was told by a man that hated women that we live on rape-planet and that it's absurd ascribing any morality to male action–that it's women being narcissistic when they act like men can be better.
I think about this more than I should. Yes, it was a stupid comment. Obligatory "not all men". But with all the victim blaming, etc., constantly shot by guys, it's like many just assume pure animalism from men and something more from women (while giving women no credit for it).
>>111332>it's like many just assume pure animalism from men and something more from women (while giving women no credit for it).
men, regardless of what they say, truly see women as the paramount of morality and themselves as shit eating animals whether they like it or not and they show their hand whenever a woman does anything they don't like
What? Are you trying to devalue my words that way? Learn to read, for fuck's sake, that's not what my main message was.
I said that I regard it as inherently shady for men, not for women. Can you read my post already ffs?
>>111305>less intelligent and less desirable
Oh look how you contextually exualize intelligent with desirable. All in the thread when other anons (me) have expressed their preferences in men, that don't only exclude intelligence but also include the opposite of it. Other people can have different values, imagine? And I have never said that less desirable men are attractive, i just said that stupid&kind men are the most attractive of all (do you consider kindness undesirable or what?). Have any of you read my posts at all? I feel like I am arguing with a wall.
i'm kinda annoyed that most former female-oriented platforms like podcasts and websites have been overtaken by libfem 'what about the menz' bullshit. i used to listen to some women's health podcasts that also dicussed sexual violence against women and the difficulties that women face as a result but now it's just overrun with male guests talking about fucking precum, balding, and 'muh emotions' talk. it's so fucking annoying, women can't have just one thing to themselves.
Why do men always end up finding their way into literally everything
disregard men - aquire rights kek
That's why wannabe trad husbands are retards and hypocrites, they're praising women's role as mothers/caregivers and still have the audacity to shit on single mothers or mothers in general. They'll be like "I respect women who fulfill the role they were given - as mothers and caregivers", with the definition of 'respect' in that context is "I don't shit on them as much as I do on women who don't abide by the rules"
Why do moids when saying this consider "just accepting it" as the only possibility? Why should women accept they're "rapemeat" and let moids be moids instead of caging them and treating them like dangerous animals?
There are parts of the world where rape and pedophilia are encouraged, where men have truly all the rights (muslim countries, pakistan, india…) and look how it's working out for them
They're seen as filthy subhumans by every nations (indians even bathe in literal shit). They will never amount to anything because their children are raised by fathers who are deranged dogs and mothers who are illiterate & retarded
What? Idealizing something is different than having values.
"What do you hate kindness!!!11" (which I said I liked earlier in this thread an am attracted to it. I really like kind men that show it in their actions and passions) No. I was referring to stuff like
>Honestly after seeing what those sick fucks do when they are "competent", "intelligent" and, the worst of all, "have agency"…
You or that anon literally implied a man doing things proactively or having intelligence is a "sick fuck" thing. I was arguing against a sentiment like that. She was acting like such qualities are in opposition to such things.
And also against the sentiment that passive/agencyless men are better people–which is pretty huge among women with the epidemic of fake nice guys. I don't think intelligent men are kinder. It's just either ways there's different issues.
Not so fast anon. In their defense, their populations are skyrocketing, meanwhile the civilized West has stopped having kids. How long until their empires overcome us? From an evolutionary perspective, they're winning, which makes me all kinds of concerned about the future of humanity.
this tbh. The fact that motherhood basically takes away 1000s of hours of your life, no one really supports them besides sometimes other women, and almost all men can't be good fathers is inevitably catching up to women in the west.
Idk, maybe the covid will take care of that somewhat
what would you do if he approached you at 3 AM on a deserted street
Have you noticed how many right wingers are in GC communities? They hate trannies because they are hateful and intolerant in general. This might sound awful but the good thing is that there is someone who gets more hate than women.
They unironically do.
It's hardwired into them. Even little boys see women as a paramount of morality and "civilizedness", which is also why they often believe that girls are incapable of doing unhygienic things such as pooping or farting, while seeing other boys as disgusting.
This. And they kill so many female newborns that they're already starting to have a serious incel problem. The men/women ratio is completely fucked now. They will reap what they sow.
Troons get more hate than women? Lmfao sure
Yet their population is literally growing at twice the rate of the US, despite their high infant mortality and mass exodus of immigrants to places like the US. Unless something changes they are the future.
Yeah this is the kind of logic I've seen /pol/tards make, that if all the white people were gone the nonwhites will all die of starvation or something. That just aint how it works, as a population industrializes and with it modern medicine/enough food, the population skyrockets for a few generations until womens rights /economics make women have much less children on average. This has pretty much happened in the west, and while its not a feminist paradise, its certainly a lot better than the hellscape women lived in for thousands of years.
But with the relative decline of the wests importance, and the rise in power and population of pretty much totally pre feminist places like Africa, the Middle East, India, China even, etc, its very probable that womens rights worldwide will take a substantial step back for the foreseeable future. The industrial revolution started in 1760-80ish in Britain, and women got the right to vote (properly) in 1928. Obviously its not gonna take nearly that long for the rest of the world to catch up, but I do think its likely for a regression for the next few decades
why is it that moids just actively make sure they make sure they crave sex as much as possible even if it leads to a lot of suffering down the line? porn isn't really the replacement they think it is.
What if they aren't actively seeking to desire porn but instead have a consuming subconscious drive?
Better to dump that drive into an empty abyss than to mislead and fuck up another human being trying to solve the drive issue.
Isn't the social relationship is the issue? Not the drive or the porn?
That is an argument I've heard from incels.
Scientists have actually found it increases "drive" or…at least the desire to have sex.
It's only a replacement in the sense that it can provide brief satisfaction. But it's built to mimic the idea of the brain getting a new mate each time while craving more and more. Obviously it's immediately relieving. But, like carbs, it comes back and aches more and more.
This is why heavy amounts of porn usages desensitizes the brain so much, many guys become even more depraved than they are and end up having to see out extremes to get off (i.e., rape or child porn, etc) whilst before they'd never have to use such content. Even a little bit of porn usage is likened to causing addiction-like shifts to the structure of the brain…without an addiction being involved.
Moreover, porn, especially porn addiction, regularly destroys relationships too and makes men worse partners on average, which makes the "empty abyss" talking point really just…weird.
Most porn users end up finding relationships. And guess what? Men that get sex still use it because it's addicting.
So. Yes. Basically, porn makes the male brain even greedier, while less able to find happiness in everyday experiences, which likewise has negative effects on his social life and general functioning, etc.
It makes millions of men honestly kind of nuts for a rational woman to date.
So essentially it seems like an outlet but it really is more of a distraction that just makes men think and crave sex more in one way or another–so, yes, it increases that "subconscious desire" even more in many men.
If it actually brought men any peace there'd be much less incels and etc.
Porn is the carrot on the stick. But the carrot isn't real. The illusion teaches obsession.
Now, sure, I guess you're kinda right about one part: plenty of these guys end up taking themselves out of the gene pool and doing all women a huge favor. So, I guess that's an abyss?
>>109249>real men rape women securing the next generation
Oh my god I think it goes so much further than this. Warning this isn't a post about all men, just the kind of men who turn to extremist conservativism and burn the world hostility/ misogyny.
I truly don't believe men have that strong of a drive (Not the kind of drive most people believe they have). I think a ton of them are raised to embrace an entitlement so they become a lot like children more or less, convincing themselves they have this needy drive as well, and can use it as an excuse to feel persecuted. And then later that they need porn. Hell the entire world tells them that. A lot of them are used to getting what they want and throw a fit when they don't get it. How do we know for sure "the drive" didn't just spiral from a need to control having babies (for resources) and access to a pleasurable feeling over eons?!?! Always questioning female intuition and replacing intuition with their own greed
I'm absolutely convinced. I used to be sort of spoiled as a kid. I'd focus on what I wanted more and more and it made me want it more, if I'd throw a fit, I knew I'd get it. So I'd focus on it more and more.. Later when I got older I realized how you have to give up what to get what you /really/ want from yourself and others.. There's always a lot more tradeoff.. But its ESPECIALLY true for women. By the time you're like 13 you usually figure this out to some degree.
A TON of men do not think this way. Not nearly as much. Men HATE this way of thinking and believe they're "above this" because "they have a drive" and it feeds the problem. And the worst of them don't truly care about peace. Even when they act peaceful, they're trying to manipulate you and society in the background! I think subconciously, yes, they've convince themselves they must satisfy this "drive" to be happy… But it brings them guilt as well.
The result is a lot of the times they flail in this downward spiral…feeling like some secondary sex in life or something (incels). They start to slash and burn everything behind them. Its the BELIEF in this drive that is pure poison. Its the belief in it that must be destroyed. I'm convinced because I know men /who are not like this at all!!/
But I also really think some know they go too far and they don't care. Like I said, in some way I think they're confused, so they just keep doing it. They get fed up going in these nasty "hangry" circles because for the ones that are really bad, it just makes their existence worse.
So they get even more mad. Convince themselves to take up extremism. Until they end up just wanting to push every conceivable "conservative" limit.. including violence, embracing corruption, etc, to get what they want from the world.
Its the same reason QUITE a few men care less about nature than women, and even fear nature.. They see the damage they do to it… And the inevitable blowback they deserve for what they do, embodied in women's outrage. They've a looooong history of calling the "raw female" that doesn't rise to their societal demands, or a woman who's stigmatized at all.. a witch even. I mean you don't need me to tell you that right? Its been that way for centuries for a reason. And its all because of a "drive" they're convinced they're "eaten alive by"
But they know they only have one thing on their mind at the end of the day. Its not just the drive. Get everything they possibly can from this world, often fueled by "because life sucks and they're frustrated!!!" so its not uncommon for them to use and abuse everything until they can get a thing… sex, money, the right to engage in violence…
And yes they fear nature because it reminds them of "the raw female" and "the inevitable blowback" Seriously how many people need to hear this from me though? I'm curious?
Still CHRIST obviously we're not going to give everything away to men //just because "they're tortured by a drive"//
..And even if that is the case then what even is love? and what is the damn point? What is the cost?? Even if they have some drive, I want nothing to do with it. You don't need all that just to make a baby. Their rage isn't my problem… but it truly truly explains "moralistic" "conservativism". The idea of a "drive" is absolutely ludicrious to me. Because it feeds so many god awful realities in the world.
To some degree or another men are like this. The ones that aren't like this are exceedingly rare. Even when they appear to be so pleasant.. Nobody here is ignorant to male social manipulation, and need to control everything to get their way. Its the true bane of all of our existences.
i genuinely do not believe men possess a soul or independent thoughts. I feel like they are all biological robots incapable of free will driven only by instinct. Every achievement they do, every invention they invent is for their own honor, pride, ability to kill, or ability to reproduce.
I am dead serious when i say that i feel like men do not have souls, and the more i read these posts, the stronger this belief becomes.
Men are genuinely worthless compared to women, and humans are wired to feel more empathy towards women than to men.
Nobody cares a lot when a random man dies in war unless they are related to them. But when women and chidlren are involved? It's a different story.
Even males feel this way subconsciously. Even they know that their worth is small. When civilians died, male historians always noted first and foremost the women and children who were killed, not the male civilians, because although they never realize, they are subcounsciously wired to value women and children above other men.
Did you know that more boys are born than girls? 51%-52% of births are boys. If humans would be designed to be equal, the ratio would be 50/50. But we were not.
Most men were always meant to die young from being killed by other men or wild animals and that 1-2% difference is there to ensure that we have a few more replacements in case too many of these walking meatsacks die. There is 0 need for all these men, as theoretically 1 male can reproduce with as many women as he wants, any more and they are worthless. A tribe with 30 women and 5 men could still very much function and reproduce, and thus the 25 men who died before were worthless at the end of the day.
But a tribe with 5 women and 30 men? No chance. It would inevitably sooner or later lead to the men killing eachother en masse. Because men do not value other men's life, as their limited amount of empathy is even more limited towards other men. The men of this tribe would be genuinely ready to end the life of all the other men just to have a chance at mating with the women.
Yet men think that they are the best thing to ever bless this god foresaken planet. Evolutionairily speaking most men were literally meant to be meatsacks to die before reproducing, and only a few surviving men were genuinely meant to reproduce.
This is exactly why humans are wired to feel less empathy when a man dies, than when a woman or a child does. Men were never meant to be as abundant as they are today, which is why there is a rising incel problem.
Just a few decades ago most men would die from wars, as is natural, but today especially with child death become rarer and rarer, the 52% birth ratio is starting to show.
Send the boys to die in war as it was meant to be.
i think that this applies to all people lol it's just that men are shameless about it
I feel like one of my current professors is pinkpilled. It's a class about the Middle East and he puts great emphasis on violence against women in those areas and I have a presentation about women's violence in Syria today. I'm also fairly certain he also said something along the lines of patriarchal monogamy being affirmative action for incels and that unworthy men are getting to breed more and more than they should. He's an old man who is anti-Liberal (like the actual ideology) and has been since the 70's. Is he based? I think he may be one of the few based men in the world.
>>109282>you have access to the top 1% of genes if you go to any sperm bank
never been to a sperm bank (never plan to) but is it really the top 1% shooting into cups?
If caring purely on what can currently be discerned from genes. Yes.
Your point about war and etc. stands, but it's also not necessarily true as what you speak of is more theoretical/surface level valuation from society. It is actually an overcompensation mechanism for the fact that society would collapse or suffer if it didn't enforce it.
I.e., men bitch about child support but said children are on average much worse off without it–which in turn negatively impacts society/its future. Obviously it's not advantageous for men but it's one of the times when there needs to be a check and balance for male degeneracy and lack of empathy.
Because, disportionately, women and children will always be held mostly accountable for its real consequences.
Otherwise, it's mostly a myth that women are usually protected; many were actually prioritized during shipwrecks and stuff like that–society was mostly protective about women and children as an overcompensation mechanism for the fact that without this structure, it's very "every man for himself." One case a captain had to threaten men with a gun to at all encourage other men to help women.
Women these days often report that the only people that actually step in to help in bad situations are other women, despite men being way stronger.
The "woman are wonderful" effect (the idea that society/people values and sees women as good) is shilled by redpillers a lot but it really comes down to this:
men seeing women like one-dimensional objects and disportionately being obsessed with any hypocrisy or inconsistency in this object…ignoring most of what this object does and being incredibly entitled towards that object acting in a very small amount of ways. Deviations are errors. Likewise, it matches up to the "women are held to higher standards" thing juxtaposed against men usually refusing to give women any points for doing better at men at some things.
Yes, I believe men are inherently more disposable but less for societal reasons but how they treat others on a social level.
Women are generally more reliability for prosocial/empathy reasons, while men are more likely to have a dog-eat-dog mindset of easily disposing others–which they pretend they don't do even though there's plenty of statistics showing this.
You're right about men throwing other men under the bus though. Men that get ill regularly report their male friends and peers tend to actually abandon them much quicker, and care for them less. Men complain a lot about how women they barely know treat them but they basically ignore it when the male friends they should rely on abandon them–because they're too busy fixating on what a woman they barely know did to them. Or, how men get the most support from their partners yet refuse to value women for it.
It's not being a "simp" that's the problem. It's being obsessed with sex.
They dispose others much easier and feel entitled towards women exercising self-sacrificing devotion to them while being completely blind or erotically self-congratulatory to themselves. It's what makes so many men trash-men; you can't even rely on them for extremely basic reasons, bitching about how conditional women are while bitching in the next sentence "well, you must have gotten ugly–that's why he abuses and cheats on you."
Erm. tl;dr: men are super transactional and greedier than they let on and basically refuse to at all address the fact that most would prefer touching themselves than helping a male friend and this is the heart of most of their "issues", as well as basic inability to address why it is that people appear to trust women more, and instead obsessing over mining for as many reasons to distrust women as possible.
How can I find a cute, virgin BY CHOICE, straight, non-misogynistic man. I'm almost joining an amish community at this point
The amish are extremely sexist and subscribe to rigid patriarchal gender roles nona
I know but I don't think anything better can be found. At least they aren't degenerate whores
Unfortunately they are. There is a lot of rape and molestation of younger sisters going on in the Amish community. My step mom was the town midwife and she was just so disgusted with them that she never had anything good to say about them as a people.
Jesus christ how the fuck can I find a man whos at least minimally suitable for dating?
tbh I really love the idea of himbos. Yes. EVEN an ugly himbo. But most men are degenerates that sexualize everything, possess no compassion, and have porn be their hobby. Nice guys tend to be guys that think being nice to the hole they want to fuck entitles them to her or, else, she must hate good men.
It's so bad that there's hundreds of millions of men that literally can't compute that it's possible to be kind or even heroic for a girl or woman and have sex have nothing to do with it.
They habitually sexualize any women or girl in a way that would traumatize many of these people if they knew the full extent of it, then want to turn around and whine about women actually seeing them for what they are.
Just finding a genuinely pure-hearted guy is hard mode and you need extremely high standards just to do so.
By not looking for one in the Amish community.
100% of males who are virgins and virgins by choice are going to be religious weirdos. Why do you need a virgins? Insecure?
long ago people would have 1 partner per 1 person those who got in trouble had the 'talk of the town' and everyone who heard about the 'talk of the town' would learn its safer and more easy going with 1 person per 1 person. the male of the couple would simply be physically working every day and had work to focus on and was too tired for any thing else afterwards every day simply to get by.
the payments for items were metal items there was almost no bank and every house had farm so there was many growing for free from tree's animals chickens etc, a farm you could just swap with any one for any other item. and gift giving was common because otherwise the items get wasted. bartering happened every hour, people gained reputation positive with everyone else otherwise rumors started. every culture had that or similar so abundance was a ongoing thing every season/year. if you wanted to talk to any one it was as easy as going to the nearest park for a walk and talking to any one there or a pub or church, everyone was known to everyone in a local area etc. this was all what we humans are adapted for for endless repeating 1000's of years, these are all the feel-good things.
Humanity gravitates towards big towns near bodies of water, not villages.
yes almost every town and village was near water or rivers. thats big towns too the big towns had the artisans and shopes craters traders finished products from raw material they worked every day and was not too different. mountains with wells and snowfall with rivers.
yeah, this is why I will never really like guys.
none wait for sex with the right person because they actually value intimacy. it's just them being a "religious weirdo." most would blindly accept sex from women they hate and it's deeply degenerate.
Small towns are shitty thats why they all fail. There's an artist who made a poem where he said that boys line up to lose their virginity to a fat girl in a car in small towns. The only reason people try to glorify them is because they're probably an xtian or something lame.
Being born in a small town back in medieval and before times was a huge roll of the dice though. Sure, it was possible that you were born to a nice family and married a nice man that didn't treat you too badly. But its a hell of a lot more likely that you would be worked to the bone by your family, and I'm willing to bet that sexual abuse by family members was way worse than the Amish as discussed above was, considering they didn't even have exposure to modern day norms or the existence of a law system that would prosecute them. And even if you had a choice in who you married (and you would have to marry someone, probably not as child though more like in your 20s), there would be no recourse or way out if he started beating you or raping you. That was straight up expected and considered normal, absolutely no chance of divorce unless he was nearly killing you, even then. No birth control, you would get pregnant as soon and as often as possible, and have a pretty high chance of dying during labor, plus almost half of your kids would die too.
I don't mean to rain on your parade too much, but life back then sucked. I don't think I'd wanna go back even a decade in time, even considering all the bullshit nowadays
Incels are really desperate these days I guess.
Females become misandrists to escape male socialization and to make points as to how men are guilty of demolishing the system. The golden era of porn was invented only 40 years after the amendment for women to have rights passed.
Radical feminists and whatnot was always against hypersexuality of females. They were always against porn. Do not blame females for this and blame them for falling into the entrapment, as ignorance is bliss, however, when they realize it and continue to put men over us, that is when sisterhood doesnt exist. However, most women aren't aware of how men treat them, because that is the passive mother that is ingrained in them speaking. They were enforced to be empathetic. They don't know how to take themselves out of the tribe they were put into. Even with a respectable career, they are looked down for simply being a female.
These tradthots or tradmen/libmen use fallacies against said so females aligns with their value of us, which is not of our character, but instead how we benefit men. They mainly use the "no true scottmans" fallacy, to demonize these women. Only 10 countries have full rights for females, yet half of them drive the economy.
Women are graduating more on average and are being housewives, while being breadwinners. However, the issue is that we have this ingrained idea of female being below man. Female is a biological flaw to these people, because of this concept of femininity and masculinity, as they believe every female has to be empathetic, they have to put up with men. Nevermind the fact that females can simply adopt children instead of having pregnancies and could prevent criminal rates rising, or create a more beneficial path for these kids. Nevermind overpopulation.
They want females to have birth themselves, because they want females to be mothers, as they believe mothers turns into housewives and will be dependent. They do not have a collectivist mindset, as they don't realize why WOMEN WANT INCOME. We want income because of domestic rates, because of the fact that not all of us were pampered or privileged to the point of never seeing the reality of how men treat females, especially when men are the breadwinners.
Fathers don't help out, they are categorized into two groups.
Either being callous and cold, and having the mother do everything, or the other group, which is being the one who never takes responsibilities and is the one the child favors, even though they don't actually do anything for said so child. Because the father himself is a manchild, or a egotistical manchild. The mother is expected to be the callous cold one in this group.
Females are not to blame for this.
The reason we criticize it is because we are tired of constantly being blamed for it. We have been blamed ever since we asked for rights.Ever since we asked to vote. I dont give a fuck if you use outlier stances, such as "b-but youre just like incels.. e-even if they do violent crimes!". This is again, a true no scottmans fallacy. You can reiterate how much females wanting their own space and wanting to escape male socialization due to how we automatically have a lower position, but that doesn't change statistics or change the reality that MOST women HAVE TO DEAL WITH REALITY, MOST ARENT PAMPERED LIKE YOU TO ONLY THINK OF THEMSELVES.
Females are proving they can play the roles of "masculinity", by now graduating more. You can go on and reiterate that "b-but its because men arent expected to be men anymore!!", all you want, but be honest. Females try harder TO RETALIATE, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD RIGHTS FOR CENTURIES, ONLY LESS THAN 100 YEARS AGO. We were able to vote in 1920. WE HAVE TO PROVE OURSELVES BECAUSE HISTORIC FALLACIES IS USED AGAINST US. Constantly. This structured concept of "femininity" and "masculinity" was used against us, as ALL philosophers who reiterated this idea, said female WAS BELOW man. You can no longer blame us anymore. You can seethe as much as you want as "i-its your guys fault, not men.. y-you are just the same as incels! as men!", but statistics prove otherwise.
We always were against hypersexuality of women, all this degenerate shit happening to us now. That's not our fault. That's porn producers and authoritative figures demonizing us and creating porn eras and telling us hypersexuality was empowering, that's on them. We literally predicted this since 1960's. Andrea Dworkin did. We don't want to kill men, we want to have the same resources and for men to stop fucking demonizing us and only caring about how we benefit them. We want men to stop saying theyre females just because they're a stereotype. Men to respect us, not because we're mothers, housewives, feminine, or sexy, or promiscuous, etc, but because we're human. To realize that they have more accessibility than us, they have more resources than us, even in the west.We are criticizing men with statistics and how they rampage into spaces and only respect females if they benefit men, because they don't trust personal experiences. Most men will reiterate "statistics!!" and "im more logical than you!" and use fallacies against you, that being female, you are the more emotional one. You are inherently correct, because you don't have evidence. So the best way to show how is with FACTUAL EVIDENCE. There is no oppression against men. They have created their own problems.
Circumcision: bad, but caused by men. Pioneered in the USA by John Harvey Kellogg. Origins in the patriarchal Abrahamic religions. Continues to be legal as the 80% male Congress has not legislated against it.
Pedophilia accusations: not systematic. Over 90% of sex offenders are male. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/42tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_42_arrests_by_sex_2012.xls
False rape accusations: not systematic. Only 2-10% of rape allegations are false. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21164210/
“Women think men can’t be raped”: not systematic. 90% of people believe men can be raped by women. Female on male rape is not included in the legal definition of rape, because it has not been amended by the 80% male Congress.https://www.debate.org/opinions/can-men-be-raped-by-womenhttps://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/42tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_42_arrests_by_sex_2012.xls
Murder and non-negligent manslaughter Male 88.7% Female 11.3%
Forcible Rape Male 99.1 Female 0.9
Aggravated assault Male 77.1 Female 22.9
Sex Offenses Male 92.2 Female 7.8
Offenses against family and children Male 73.4 Female 26.6
23% of American men have cheated on their partner, only 13% of women have done the same (2020)https://today.yougov.com/topics/relationships/articles-reports/2020/01/31/millennials-monogamy-poly-poll-survey-data
50% of men would leave their partner if they gained weight. Only 20% of women would leave their partner for gaining weight. 60% (a majority) of men fantasize about their partner's friends, only 30% of women do the samehttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-sexes-survey-odd/half-of-men-would-ditch-woman-who-gained-weight-idINTRE76Q3M020110727
Men are more likely to depress beauty with age, to allow beauty to influence their hiring, and to allow looks to influence their selectionhttps://towardsdatascience.com/ai-thinks-men-are-shallow-350afa62b00a
Men are consistently more narcissistic than womenhttps://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150304104040.htm
Men spend 30% less time than their partners cleaninghttps://www.bls.gov/tus/charts/household.htm
>>111906>We don't want to kill men, we want to have the same resources and for men to stop fucking demonizing us and only caring about how we benefit them. We want men to stop saying theyre females just because they're a stereotype. Men to respect us, not because we're mothers, housewives, feminine, or sexy, or promiscuous, etc, but because we're human.
Speak for yourself . I believe men are too far gone for your pipe dream.
Female separatism is the way. Have as few interactions with these dangerous parasites as possible.
This is true, I'm not going to go on a rampage just because I hate men, but I don't give two shits when one dies because he could be a porn addict, a pedophile, or just a misogynistic asshole like most men are.
You don't even need to kill men for them to end their lives prematurely, just don't have sex with them, or date them, or be overly polite to them. When they don't get their cock sucked (literally and figuratively) they slowly go insane and do bad things. Surely not every incel has killed someone or himself, but this is just the start of the era, we need to wait and see how many of them end up killing themselves in the next 10-20 years.
I wonder how someone could achieve something like that and have it be viable
I love the stupid take moids love to spew out "Well if you hate men why do you like X made by a man or why do you live in a house built by men or why do you, why do y-you?"
Hating women (whether they're aware they hate them or not) doesn't stop men from parasitizing off of women's lavor. They jack off to porn where women have to endure degenerate shit for a quick buck, they parasitized off of their mom for 18+ years, and surprise they might live in a house or use products that were made by women, this doesn't stop at buildings: it could be clothes, food, technology, etc. Hell, the house I live in? My grandma was one of the builders.
Women can build houses, make food, clothes, technology, or basically any other physically enduring job that is usually assigned to men because they're physically stronger. Can men birth children? Will they allow themselves to get defiled for money? Are they willing to do 99% of household chores and taking care of children?
There seem to be lots of guys in science and engineering who are virgins because they're weird and uncomfortable with people, if that's what you're looking for.
I mean pretty easy if you’re a lesbian but I guess our hetero sisters might have some choices to make.
I'm the anon who wondered about female separatism and I'm not too stressed about my love life being bi and all that just the logistics of something like that world wide
I find the comment kind of funny because for women you will struggle to find stuff like >several more times likely to beat/abuse their moms >several more times likely to abandon love ones in need
…that and all the rape and murder and stuff…
Not her but how do I find one like that who is actually interested in sex or who will actually be attracted to me? It's harder than it sounds. The ones I've met, they seem to either be asexual or just not interested in a relationship (with me and/or anyone), despite enjoying my presence.
Women do nearly all housekeeping, cooking, cleaning, scheduling, etc. worldwide. Men would have a worse time without women than women would have without men.
Precisely. Single women without children are found to be significantly happier on average than their counterparts with children and partnered with moids.
They are not virgin by choice, they are virgins because they can't get laid. They are whores mentally
>>112051>They are whores mentally
Really? damn I wanna use 'em up.
People stalk my ig and view my stuff with fake whore accounts all the time. Its not all its cracked up to be they know when you're a slut.
blame the ancient Assyrians, I guess
samefag, that's a serious historical reply not an ethnic bait post, just to clarify. You can actually blame the first guy to sign a law saying you must kill women that cheat on their forced-marriage husbands, kek. However, you can point to a lot of ancient things like this and draw conclusions, who's to say it isn't more deep-rooted than that, though? The written word is a prison, and we will never know the true depths of history. Perhaps its related to when women built Earth-society originally (with gardening and domestication and symbiotic relationships with other living beings on this planet we all share.) We all know who fucked that up and enslaved and industrialised everything, then went around saying that was a good thing, a true moid trait to possess. Fools still say this. Its clear by ancient bones who did the work and what kind of work they did. I don't usually reply here, and I'm not into talking about anti-m*n things for the most part, but I saw the chance at an actual reply here and thought I'd throw in my two cents.>>112078
And it's funny because they constantly shit on childish women and act like it's the sole reason women are "bad"/hated by men
When a woman doesn't act like a toddler, she's a man hating bitter bitch
Which one is it moid?
>Logically the patriarchy shouldn’t exist. If 50% of population are oppressed, why don’t they raise up?
Because assuming the two halves were truly equal in all meanings of the term, there would be mutually annihilation should conflict occur, but that doesn't apply in this case. For tens of thousands of years your ancestors lived in pretty shitty, brutal environment where physical ability was far more important, and, no matter how many pinkpills you may swallow, no one posits the statement that women are stronger than men.
It's been brute violence against women all the way down.
relationships with men are built to fail and I predict there will be more incels in the future as women start waking up, while more and more men become porn addicts incapable of actually valuing women as human beings, unwilling to ever accept it's just dumb for them to date these men.
let's do the math.
Men don't care about almost all parts of a relationship. Men shame women for caring about the parts of a relationship they don't care about. Men act like everything that matters is getting access to a woman, therefore, act like women have it easy because they can fuck easily–they don't give a shit that women are way more likely to face more risks. Even a man's presence, no matter how distracted, is considered a plus in a family (even though it causes them harm). Men don't care that much about most parts of family life; i.e., most will find it more special to take a cute girl's virginity than all of his child's birthday parties–it's just stuff like this makes them look very bad, so they have to deflect attention away from it.
Women usually aren't happier over being with a man for a long (or short) time either, while things are different for men–who basically see access to a woman sexually as a win regardless and usually way less damaged/traumatized by relationships and sex than women on average are…
in fact they literally admit it's alpha to fuck lots of women.
Then…let's look at how studies have shown women are more prosocial, generous, supportive.
Contrast this to how many men complain about how women are evil gold diggers and the sole ones capable of being greedy or deceptive in a relationship, despite there also being studies showing men are greedier, self-interested, and more Machiavellian on average. Where is this difference in averages showing up? Long term relationships…not when a man is on his best behavior early on.
How basically admit they value women based off of looks/youth and their love is conditional and eternally depreciating in nature and are more likely to leave in the event their partner's looks or situation changes, yet refuse to let women from taking this information and reacting rationally to it.
The basic traits and priorities that can make a long-term relationship work out women are likelier to have.
I mean, why do you think men have to say "what? women LIKE bad boys" or "she just didn't choose the nice guy".
It's to draw attention away from men not being that good for women in general.
There's so many overcompensating mechanisms in society basically meant to keep women dating men–including keeping women insecure, so they settle with passive fake-nice guys who usually are just being opportunistic, or are around because she's young. Most of this can be concealed until later on in a relationship…which leaves a lot of time for women to convince themselves that their relationships can be fixed, or that they're mostly at fault (most of the time, no)…when a guy just tends to value hotter, younger girls more and there's nothing a woman can do to fix that.
A lot of insecurity and neuroticism from women is the rational response to trying to keep up with men's often bloated "needs" and the disconnect between men and women.
I only imagine things to get worse and worse the more men get into porn, VR porn, sex bots, etc. and naturally demanding women to conform to the twisted shape of their greed and lust.
Why are men so incredibly concerned over old childless women? It's like all of a sudden they're super worried about women's mental health, when they couldn't give less of a fuck otherwise.
No, you will feel awful and die childless and alone with 5 cats… What a tragedy, please have children. Please you have to have children. Please.
>>112104>>112104>so they settle with passive fake-nice guys who usually are just being opportunistic
God this. I knew my bf wasn't shit when I realized he was with me simply because I was just the first woman who offered. He would have dated literally anyone. No wonder there was no spark. Being with him felt like a chore.
Males are insectoid and r-selective by nature and think the only purpose in life is to breed as many drones as possible. They project this onto women, and think we are suffering miserably with cats and xanax if we're not on a farm with 15 children.
They always project. It's the same thing when they say we live life on "easy mode" because we can always get sex. They are viewing our lives from a male perspective and judging us from a male perspective. They are entirely devoid of empathy and compassion.
Empathy, because they cannot reason why women don't want to become male-slave broodsows
Compassion, because they make fun of us in their twisted version of reality.
Men like virgins, because intuitively they are aware that being with a man is bad for a woman. So a virgin woman is like a new car without any mileage. They don't look at this like they should be better to their gf or wife so much as it is ok to abuse it, because its their one. Like it woukd be ok to risk speeding in their own car, because its theirs.
They basically assume this: that women are the host, and that men are parasites that benefit from what they gaslight the host into believing is a symbiotic relationship, even when they literally give away that they think women are "drained" and "used up" by this relationship constantly.
And as for the "b-but that's incel talk!" I've noticed masses of regular dudes also conforming to such rhetoric and ideas in one way or another. And, this has powered all sorts of countrys' misogynistic frame of virginity and marriage through history–a means of artificially creating a sense of rarity and social value about a woman in a context where a man doesn't give a shit about most of what a woman does or is unless
it has something to do with a man. There is no fixing this bc it's pretty intrinsic to men. Society just needs them to couple up with women for the "greater good." So we get people like >>109274
crying about single people and implying cat ladies are well-off but cause society and men to suffer…because, again, it's implied women are of net benefit to men.
What's unsaid? Stuff like men cheating the most the longer the marriage is. Whorehouses being common through history and the world. Many old ratfaced married men creeping on young girls.
Women are expected to just ignore this all and self-sacrifice themselves. It's nuts.
why do men act like women are the only ones that care about status and then act like it's some sort of evil boogieman too?
What do men bring to the table?
Men cheat at higher rates than women
Men are more narcissistic than women
Men are more promiscuous than women
Men are more shallow than women
Men are the main vectors of STDs
Men are more violent than women
Men are more selfish than women
Men are more likely to leave their partners with cancer
So I wanna know…
What THE FUCK do scrotes bring to the table in a relationship?
There are countless types of vibrators that do a much better job than any man could do. And they come with zero risks of STDs
this isn't a surprise but this is a thing in incel communities, some men "take the zoo-pill" and opt for fucking animals since women are too hard to get. it's almost worse than the trannymaxxing
They don't bring anything other than personality and behaviour now, but not all men bring it. In the old days, they brought a pass to participate in society by preventing women from opening bank accounts, being an eligible heir, or owning property. They literally have to force women to be with them since the alternative is putting in literally any effort. No one deserves anything, and no man deserves a wife. He must earn one through what he can provide, but they're lazy and don't want to give much even in times where they can't force anyone to be with them kek.
I can only rant about this here, but I hate men who are obsessed with evo-psych. They cherry-pick anthropological research to justify their misogynistic behaviors and beliefs.
However, what really annoys me is when they talk about evolution and reproduction and ignore all evidence that points towards women being the primary selectors. Biologically women have all the chips stacked in their favor. There’s a reason we have concealed ovulation. There’s a reason we have a limited fertility window each month. They assume that men get to choose who reproduces because “mUh rApE”.
How long would a rapist last in a small, close knit hunter-gatherer society? Do they believe that the other men and women in the tribe trust someone who perpetuates such an antisocial act? They just take it as a given that the rapist would get away without consequences. What would stop the woman from killing him in self-defense or retaliation? What would stop her male relatives from killing him as retaliation?
They also assume that women are natural nurturers and ignore that both male and female animals can be naturally very brutal. If a woman became pregnant through rape why would she keep the baby? Pregnancy is incredibly dangerous and would make more vulnerable. Why wouldn’t she force a miscarriage? Or why wouldn’t she just use the baby as bear bait once it was born?
The idea of “rape as an evolutionary strategy” is such an idiotic concept. Yet, I never see men question it’s viability because it feeds into their assumptions that women are weaker, have no agency, and deserve to be brutalized.
>>112142>I hate men who are obsessed with evo-psych
the rest of the post too btw
>>112142>How long would a rapist last in a small, close knit hunter-gatherer society? Do they believe that the other men and women in the tribe trust someone who perpetuates such an antisocial act? They just take it as a given that the rapist would get away without consequences. What would stop the woman from killing him in self-defense or retaliation? What would stop her male relatives from killing him as retaliation?
I understand your point, but rape is commonplace after defeating enemy tribes. Armies that move through countries throughout history have regularly raped, it's just accepted amongst the winners and the losers.
why are zoomers so goddamn obsessed with rape? society is too coddling now, yet you use cancel culture so much. You don't realize that stoning people to death is common.
? Isn't a common thread in evo pysch that women have more intrinsic value, because they are the reproductive bottleneck. Then insert fantasies of 1 man fertilizing multiple women, because the rest died in war…
fuck, it's only been 20 days? we typed so much. I feel ashamed, guilty, yet accomplished. >>108912
responding to this because I think its funny too. .
not that anon, but while that might be true, it's just the takeaway of it from the type of men she dislikes is stuff like "let's take down women a peg and mistreat them because this is unfair!" and more fuel to hate women and fuel to pretend men are victims of an unjust system.
And I think that anon was a bit off because she says evopsych moids ignore women being the primary selectors…they don't in my experience–more, they refuse to respect such things. If they did, they wouldn't take it as something to punish or act as if it's some sort of moral wrong. At most they use it as a chess piece.
But yeah I don't know much about the subject anyway.
Every time incel/coomerposting gets really bad on my main imageboard I come back here. But then it's either dead or full of shit that makes me mad anyway and then I have nowhere to go. Anyway I hate these fucking moids. Not as bad as 4shit, but still gets pretty bad during American hours.
The glans of the penis is literally shaped to dig other men's sperm out of vaginas. The human penis is also the biggest when compared with the body size of any animal. It's pretty safe to assume that either rape was commonplace or the female choice was not very selective.
Rape is PROHIBITED in most hunter-gatherer societies
You just made that up though. I don't think i have ever heard about this zoo pill you are talking about, and i've browsed r9k for many years and also visited shitton of incel places. The only thing similar is that dogpill or whatever which talks about how women fuck their dogs.
Re-reading this i realize that i sound kind of like a moid. Just saying that i could literally not find anything about this zoopill or whatever on the r9k archives or on incels.is
As for the dogpill, it's a really weird delusion of incels, and may or may not be a projection>>112185>The glans of the penis is literally shaped to dig other men's sperm out of vaginas
That is just bullshit and you probably read it on r9k or something>The human penis is also the biggest when compared with the body size of any animal
Probably because of selection? To this day big penises are seen as masculine. It's obvious that bunga with a 2 inch cock will be seen as less attractive and will be less likely to breed than rangus with a functioning 6-incher.
Also that's simply not true. Barnacles have the largest penis-to-body ratio and furthermore iirc horses and maybe goats have a larger ratio than humans.
Did you know?
Gloria Steinem was a CIA agent during the 70s hired to spy on feminists movements. The CIA worked during the 70s to subvert/sabotage radical feminism and promote liberal feminism instead
was there a full exposure of what their specific goals were in doing this sabotage?
>men claiming they're attracted to most women and acting like women have unrealistic looks standards
>they usually only crush on women or girls that look better than most (also usually a very specific age, weight, race, etc.) while ignoring most women and pretending the ones they do like are average even though they aren't
>they ignore their actual looksmatch (in most cases a middle-aged woman, which they appear to be in extreme denial of)
Why does this happen?
moids will fuck almost anything but they lust after a specific demographic of women (girls, really). They still think being their last choice is a compliment, because they are that narcisistic.
"you can be a 2/10 hambeast and still get a man to fuck you!"
yeah like anyone is happy to be deemed a garbage can for men's cum.
oof a sex traitor… I wonder how she felt about it.
Its simple really, many men don't even acknowledge unattractive women as women. Some women do the same towards unsuccessful men.
>>112200>the personal is political
This is where the cancer begin.
This is why you can't talk about, listen to, read or watch anything without politics raring its ugly head.>>112274
Pretty great most likely seeing all the money and fame she got out of the deal.
why do certain kinds of men think it's possible to somehow market yourself on your virginity and it magically gives you infinitely more value and makes men treat you better? it's like a glitch in men's programming and objectification of women. they frame women like trading cards but then a while later realize the only thing they can actually show off is youth/looks…not that he took her virginity which would be weird to keep on posturing about. go look at countries where virgins are sold off for marriage. it's not a recipe for them to be flatly treated better, or to dissuade men from cheating–if they want to, they will probably do it.
I've never touched a guy (inb4 "you're a femcel" lol) but my hymen is still broken. Any woman can just claim she has a low body count or is a virgin tbh. Likewise, men that actively hunt for it are creeps usually.
Those stories of men finding out years into marriage that their wives did something she didn't talk about when she was 17 and him breaking down over it, even though the consequences of it have no bearing on the current marriage are wild. They really think women are just slates being marked by territorial dogs.
I'm so fucking sick of them being ungrateful assholes and shitting on female-oriented media just because it's not made for them, and then have the gall to ask whether you're a woman or just a man who enjoys it "ironically".>>112192>The only thing similar is that dogpill or whatever which talks about how women fuck their dogs.
Goddamn I fucking hate that one. I'm not even white but I hate it like you wouldn't believe. These motherfuckers claim that they're different from Nazis yet they just looooove to put female users off by joking about muh "white women fuck dogs haha get fucked Nazoids" or "le BPD AKA hysterical thot syndrome"
in addition to spamming dehumanizing videos and pictures of objectified women or feminine men.
Granted the former hasn't happened in a while but it's still a deeply misogynistic environment. I used to enjoy visiting it but either the moderation gave up or they were afraid of coming off as "reddit" for not allowing "edgy" pieces of shit to shit up the place.
I'm gonna be honest…most of the media made for women is kinda shit though. I mean, compare the neckbeardy things men obsess about like LOTR, GOT or whatever with the shitty YA fiction that is force-fed to women. I think the element of men shitting on everything women like exists, but the biggest problem imo is that things that are shitty are marketed to women because we are seen as intellectually inferior. Why must our media be so filled with feelsy-romantic moid-gushing weak plots? Why does our media confirm every harmful stereotype made about women and reinforce obsessions with beauty, sexual desirability, social standing, etc?
I think that instead of complaining about moids we should rebel against the evil marketing machine targeting girls with vapid trash, and rebel against vapidness itself.
tbh I find male loneliness in general to be a joke and impossible to take seriously. oh, hundreds of millions of men are becoming incels? that's good and deserved.
it's nuts to date men with nothing to offer when the main thing they look for and love is youth–something that will go away.
>>112403>Why must our media be so filled with feelsy-romantic moid-gushing weak plots? Why does our media confirm every harmful stereotype made about women and reinforce obsessions with beauty, sexual desirability, social standing, etc?
Have you considered the possibility that the reason the stereotype exists is because it these things are in fact what women want and the market responds? Or are you positing that "Big lit-erotica" made mostly by women for women is intentionally producing sub-par works for us? Fifty Shades of Grey shows us that despite any intellectual positing otherwise, the majority of women are the very least "pretending" to like these things if not actually enjoy them.
Yes, yes, I realize women are not actually pretending to like this stuff. My take is that this is not a natural inclination, but a result of societal pressure and lack of stimulation to enjiy exploration, fighting for higher ideals, building and actually reading good books from a young age as opposed to what is instilled in boys. I realize I sound like a moid but I promise I'm not, I just think higher of us. >>112444
I hope you're joking anon.
I'm not and I don't care. Twilight was the last great book/film series and we probably won't ever get anything better.
>>112450>Yes, yes, I realize women are not actually pretending to like this stuff. My take is that this is not a natural inclination, but a result of societal pressure and lack of stimulation to enjiy exploration, fighting for higher ideals, building and actually reading good books from a young age as opposed to what is instilled in boys. I realize I sound like a moid but I promise I'm not, I just think higher of us.
To make sure I understand you, you're then positing that while it is true that women enjoy these things, you just think they're being socially indoctrinated into liking them instead of just legitimately being more interested in stories of this on some other basis? I don't think you're a moid because you're putting forth a thought pushed mostly be post-modernist feminist if anything. I'd have to argue that I do believe society is getting more gender equal as times goes on, and, if anything, the trend seems to suggest that without societal influence, girls (and hence, women eventually) are liking these things more than ever. Seeming to indicate the opposite, the less forced into roles girls are the more they express interest and market force towards these things.
Honestly the angle y'all aren't looking at is the fact that women care less about the status/coolness of what they like. Men lash out about the Twilight thing because it's a cringey amalgamation of the earnesty of feminine vices and lack of pretention involved.
For example men consume several times the porn that women do and quite frankly porn is trashier than most "vapid female shit." But this for whatever reason isn't involved in such discussions as n reflecting mens' real tastes even though they probably watch dozens of hours of a it a year.
Also, women read more on average than men–it isn't that women are more "vapid" in their interests, just that people have a disdain for women that unapologetically like cringey things.
Almost everything women are offered to is shit tier, not just media. I doubt it's our choice. But to be honest, men consume heaps of shit tier things.. like porn. I mean, some jack off to eating literal shit.
Between teen boys with gigabytes of gangbang porn on their computers and girls earnestly debating whether Edward or Jacob is best boy…
…think about which one society really hates.
You are not wrong, but still, men don't go around wearing porn t-shirts and making porn fanclubs, and basing their entire social group on the shared interest for porn, or turning all their public social interactions into porn-praising sessions, or in general proclaiming their love for porn publicly loud and clear, are they? At least, a man who would do that would be seen as a deranged pervert, rightly so. And even most men who consume a lot of porn (which is most men) still have other interests. I don't think that is a fair comparison. I also don't think we'll ever get rid of this conundrum unless we ditch the cringy media altogether.
Isn't weird how few moid targgeted fluffy romances exist. I'd think that there would be mora of a market for it. Closest to it would be the romance sideplots in action movies (like that fembot in blade runner) and shitty anime. Pic related.
>>112463>You are not wrong, but still, men don't go around wearing porn t-shirts and making porn fanclubs, and basing their entire social group on the shared interest for porn, or turning all their public social interactions into porn-praising sessions, or in general proclaiming their love for porn publicly loud and clear, are they?
IRL or online? Because that alllllll happens online.
there are heaps of fanclubs for pornstars, porn artists, porn distributors, etc.
fucking pornhub had/has a pretty lucrative business just selling t-shirts with their logo on it
Harem isekai that constantly leads to perverted situations but never actual sex is what you are describing.>shitty anime
It's shitty to you the same way that Twilight is shitty to a moid. It's not targeted at you. I'm not saying it's good, but you're not the target audience and you're going to hit that wall constantly, just like moids do with Twilight and other media.
That's the thing; men often bond over porn or naughty images of women or gfs, while obviously they don't go around doing it super publicly. It's common for even normie men to be in group chats where they discuss similar topics–even if they don't go all the way and explicitly talk about porn. >still have other interests
yes, you get it. Women have other interests too. Like I noted, women also read more than men and etc.
It's just what you're noticing is that the lowest common denominator for women is something that actually isn't as bad as it's framed as.>>112467
>>112463>You are not wrong, but still, men don't go around wearing porn t-shirts and making porn fanclubs, and basing their entire social group on the shared interest for porn, or turning all their public social interactions into porn-praising sessions, or in general proclaiming their love for porn publicly loud and clear, are they?
Yeah, why would men ever go raound wearing shirts with pornographic scenes on it, it would be so weird and never happen.
>>112473>That shirt basically functions as the ultimate social/sexual contraceptive device
So the way that society treated Twilight stans as stated by >>112463
however I can give this: it's bad in general to teach girls and women to fixate on romance stuff/men. For such reasons I'd say stuff like Harry Potter is probably way better to like than Twilight. Even if it might not be mind-expanding, it's less of a box. >>112471
lol I saw a girl wearing that before.
may I add that there's tiktoks of gfs playing the pornhub theme song and catching their bf's reaction, and it being played completely frankly and like something cute…and this is completely normal. the effects of porn zombification is everywhere.
porn is becoming super normie-ized to the point where it's even often expected for gfs to do porn-like things.
harem anime is usually trashier though and it tends to have explicit pedo vibes.
Having a coterie of girls that look 13 and act in childlike ways is…well, that's not the same.
Imagine this: a harem anime for girls…there's quite a few boys and they never really have any hardcore fights among themselves and just exist and can be basically picked from randomly. No one ever really has a moment and in many cases, none are even chosen. They're just designed for novelty.
Imagine Twilight being the same as a basic cringey Isekai harem anime and it being insanely popular. Imagine.
>>112403>most of the media made for women is kinda shit though. I mean, compare the neckbeardy things men obsess about like LOTR, GOT or whatever with the shitty YA fiction that is force-fed to women.
Look, I completely agree with you, and obviously I have also noticed that "female-oriented media" is always romance stuff, though this case (I'm talking about the post before you, my post) is special. I expressed a lot of enthusiasm for something made for women (and very well made, I must add) where at the same time a trashy piece of media for men made as fap material and full of disgusting shit was being discussed. Then I was mocked for it and someone else said it had been a "funny call out" (what was I even called out for?? That made me feel like shit because I don't even know what I did wrong, so I didn't know how to respond). In this case, it was literally romance for women vs. garbage pornography for men.>>112466>>112469
Older ren'ai games for men (the non-pornographic variety) tended to have girls who behaved pretty much like normal people of their age (high schooler to young adult) but those are a tiny minority in a sea of "romance" games for men which are synonymous with sex and depravity.
Nta, but I find this types of arguments kind of weird because I noticed I don't inheritly value male narratives over female ones? Male shit can be intellectual unstimulating navel gazing sexist drivel as well as porny and trashy yet female things that are also meant to pander to the lowest denominator get the shit? I don't get it.
It doesn't mean you can't have higher standards for female based media and either procure or create things that are more well rounded. Namely focus on female led narratives that aren't focused on romance with moids or in general ( as well as potencially a focus on lesbian bonds) and maybe focus on friendships and shit if you haven't already though you may have lol.
I don't know what my point is, I just don't think male made or male pandered shit is better and I wince at any argument that try to prop up the same tired ass hero journey plot just because it's better then dregs like twilight
>>112479>however I can give this: it's bad in general to teach girls and women to fixate on romance stuff/men.
We can go down the infinite casual discussion which is "do women focus on romance naturally or by society", but I'm taking the firm stance that's it's just organic expression. There's a distinct possibility that it is just how things are and we don't actually need to socially engineer around it.>>112485>Imagine this: a harem anime for girls…there's quite a few boys and they never really have any hardcore fights among themselves and just exist and can be basically picked from randomly. No one ever really has a moment and in many cases, none are even chosen. They're just designed for novelty.
I don't need to imagine, these exist.>>112489>Older ren'ai games for men (the non-pornographic variety) tended to have girls who behaved pretty much like normal people of their age (high schooler to young adult) but those are a tiny minority in a sea of "romance" games for men which are synonymous with sex and depravity.
Did you miss the part of my post that stated>doesn't lead to actual sex
If it leads to actual sex, it's just porn, comparable to Fifty Shades of Grey. If it's just romantic long lasting fluffy harem garbage, it's analogous to Twilight (a harem of two is still a harem).
>>112498>I don't need to imagine, these exist.
Uh…my point wasn't that. I know they exist. My point was that Twilight is nowhere near as bad.
How so? Harem anime tends to put way more emphasis on pedophilia and etc., treating the girls like objects and trophies. You really don't understand the absurdity that would be if twilight literally had the same copy-paste tropes as a male-orientated harem anime and was as popular as it was.
Even towards the end of Twilight it becomes a monogamous hetero romance where Bella and Edward just make a life together–instead of a harem treated as a bundle of commodities, you have two people in love.
Go look at Japan and tell me the effect of harem animes on men and their reaction to them is the same.
>>112506>complaining about pedophilic themes in anime while praising Twilight
What's your stance on a 200-year old man wanting to date a high schooler? How about grown men falling in love with an infant?
Idk, I'm kind of confused about what you're trying to get across anymore besides really hating things meant for young girls.
What I am trying to get across is Twilight is garbage that panders to what young girls wants, and shitty harem anime is garbage that panders to what men want. They are equal in being shitty pandering garbage.
I suppose if I were to correct this statement.>I'm kind of confused about what you're trying to get across anymore besides really hating things meant for young girls and things meant for men.
There, there is what I am trying to get across, both are shit.
Also I know that part. Stephanie Meyer is shady, but on the surface level the selling point wasn't that part. It's different than depicting a bunch of girls that look like 13 year olds lewdly fawning over a guy and then marketing it for grown men.
I don't think anyone enjoyed the Jacob part–not even Twilight fans. It seemed like a trite way of keeping up Jacob's obsession with Bella.
My ex bf got catfished into masturbating on camera like a retard. They tried to extort money from him, but at least he refused to pay. The video is floating around our friend group now, because the scammer has his friends list.
What is a high quality romance meant for young girls?
I tried to do this to my husband like 5 times and he didn't react at all. Then I confronted him and said "listen to this, do you know where it's from?" And he sat there listening and acting confused why I was doing that. He is adamant he has no idea "what show" it's from. He says he doesn't watch porn but the internet makes it seem like that's impossible.
Even if he does use porn it's not like everyone uses pornhub.
>>112498It irks me when people call it "harem" when it's nothing like harem anime where all the girls are after the MC's dick at the same time. But I digress, let's focus on the topic at hand
The point in the rare romance games I was talking about is to build a relationship with one female character, that's why I mentioned them. Just look at SAL9000 (though he eventually did get married to a real woman lol)
This kind of game might
have occasional perverted moments, but overall they're more about normal or romantic interactions between MC and the girls. That's why I mentioned them as a rare example of "moid targeted fluffy romance", but it's not
the same as "harem isekai that constantly leads to perverted situations".
In any case, this doesn't really prove anything new, I was just agreeing with that other anon and providing an example.>>112512
Holy shit kek
I don't know if it affects you, though. If so, I'm sorry.
Well I feel second hand embarrassment a bit
omg, was this before or after the breakup?
serves him right though. people act like that because they think their degeneracy is invisible.
I agree about the harem part. It's not even normal in Japan.
After the breakup. We've been broken up for half a year.
why is natalism discussed so often on cc? saw an argument on another thread about it n I didn't get it at all.
no fucking idea. a butch fell in love with me and doesn't give a fuck I'm not attracted back so that's what I'm doing.
I'm so disappointed in men as a whole I don't even want to bother with them anymore.
brainstorming.>warm body to lay next to at night>penis/sex>a male is a threat but also useful to discourage other males from attempting anything>resources/providing, in the case one actually bothers to support you which is growing more rare and can pose risk anyway>base level company
these are not guarantees, clearly, and some are barely worth mentioning (they're usually not good at giving women sexual pleasure).
in my own experience what has been the most significant is:>having a baseline of companionship (note that deeper emotional connection is not part of that)>resources/providing>keeping other male threats from becoming overt problems>the admittedly sublime pleasure of having a warm body to lie with in sleep
very primitive as you can see.
Most male oriented media is basically a power fantasy, as such the world that is being "conquered" by the protagonist is more important than anything else. The relationships and interpersonal connections that the characters have is always second fiddle to the action and worldbuilding and plot. Good authors manage to connect character development to the worldbuilding but even then it comes second. Hence it always seems that male aimed media seems to be "deeper", because the creators have to spend most of their time hashing out what world the hero's are going to be making their mark on.
Good take; I often notice in more male adjacent media that has a fantastical lean, I only really like the lore and world while the characters I don't usually care about and I notice works I care about actually manage to balance this or have a slightly bigger focus on interpersonability.
The popularity of media aimed around relationships for women is not just in TV or movies or books. Women seem to connect more with people and personalities than men in lots of popular culture. Take a look at young womens music listening habits for example. Billy Eilish, Justin Bieber, 1D etc are or were all incredibly popular acts amongst women especially young women. They are certainly talented singers and have well written songs but the main appeal has always been with the personalities of the artists, seen most obviously in boy bands with each member being "the X of the group". Men don't do this, men don't tend to form such fanatical attachments to musicians or probably people in general. Certainly for larger artists this will happen just by pure statistics, but it happens much less than with women. I don't know how much of that is "fed by shitty YA fiction", and how much of that is organic. I would think a lot of that is organic.
I think so too! I don't even think it's a inherently bad thing as long as it's not taken to extremes of fan girl behavior or trying to emulate toxic relantioship patterns? It's a very neutral to positive thing to me.
Sometimes it can indeed be a positive. Full metal alchemist brotherhood is an anime aimed at young men, but it is written by a woman, and one of the things that really makes it stand out is how all of the characters and their relationships are very fleshed out and realistic, even through the character compression that media aimed at young men always has to leave more room for action and plot. Of course the worldbuilding is very good as well, but if FMAB was written by a man the series would probably have included more worldbuilding trivia, probably fleshing out more of the other places in the world, at the expense of the characters. This undoubtedly would have made the show worse.
I've heard many good things about that anime and you gave a pretty solid argument to why FMAB is as enduring as it is
I think Demon slayer is also written by a woman ( I think) and one of the things I like the most is a focus on Tanjiro's wholesome bond with his little sister even of its a bit more character light then I usually like.
I don't particularly watch anime, but I did watch FMAB, and it is an extremely solid show. It doesn't excel at anything in particular, but it is extremely tight, keeping focus on the characters and their immediate world, rather than getting lost in the background settings just to satisfy nerdy teenage boys going "I wonder what that place is like". The women especially are well written, feeling like actual women, not irritating pathetic side characters whose only job is to be pretty for men, or even worse the opposite, all conquering girlpower caricatures who don't need no man. There is very little to find fault in, even if it lacks the incredibly ambitious scope of Lord of the Rings or GoT that makes men so very excited.
Sounds neat! I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes girl power characters who have the character presence and fortitude of a ant hill
The fact that this shit exists and that the moids in my region (Latin America) eat that shit up
In fact some scrote on Twitch is playing it right now with 11K+ viewers, it's disgusting, as well as the messages in chat and I wanna forget about this and pretend it doesn't happen ASAP
I can barely understand that this stuff is so widespread. It makes me look at men irl differently tbh. It sucks because I don't want to dislike men than I already do.
Wish I had a better pinkpill today but too tired. Oh well.
The death of 4chan can't arrive soon enough
being with men is just one big scam. the main thing they prioritize is youth/looks (not to mention sex). they constantly say so but then gaslight girls and women into believing they're not (mostly) like that. almost all of them are incapable of genuine love based upon deeper things and sentiments.
they spend massive amounts of effort justifying this as if this isn't a massive red flag, like "I genuinely hate the fact that you're a human being that ages and I don't give a flying shit how much you've bled or sweat or what your dreams are. My love for you is depreciating in nature, buckle up." But in 100s of different permutations depending on whether or not this guy is a deep-web misogynist or a normie. Also, yes, they don't have to say so. Many middle-aged husbands with middle-aged wives put more effort into teen porn than loving their wives, but don't go around talking shit about her.
it's really wild how far people have to go with lying about male nature. like I don't think men are monsters across the board or anything but I realize love/romance with them is fucked up because they genuinely don't value most of what women do.
wait, why isn't this thread being bumped?
Men can't form meaningful relationships, including other men. Their bonding over dehumanizing women and shitty meaningless hobbies is but a shell of a true friendship full of empathy understanding and tolerance.
>>112142>How long would a rapist last in a small, close knit hunter-gatherer society? Do they believe that the other men and women in the tribe trust someone who perpetuates such an antisocial act? They just take it as a given that the rapist would get away without consequences. What would stop the woman from killing him in self-defense or retaliation? What would stop her male relatives from killing him as retaliation?
Observe the behavior of celebrity elites and you will see that friends, paternal relatives (and even mothers) do not care about an ingroup male raping their daughter/relative/friend what have you. Even if he has committed bad acts before. I'm sorry anon. I wish this world was less disgusting. (Speaking from personal experience, as well as that of friend who had to go no contact with her mother because she sided with her abusive boyfriend over her)
I have no doubt these behaviors can be held accountable by a social group, its not impossible, but usually it doesn't happen that way.
stuff like this is always why I side eye the crowd that expects women to blindly fall into line and be mothers because the "family is good." many of those people would cover for the most horrible things in the name of keeping up appearances.
where i work and go to school i see teenage boys walk in with trashy hentai shirts on nearly every day. ive also seen many douchy sports cars with pornhub or brazzers related license plates/stickers on them driving around in my town. and "men dont make porn fanclubs or center friend groups around it"??? have u ever been on the internet??