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Anonymous 12438

Man dislike thread

Post your mild issues with men here

Anonymous 12439

they are dummy heads

Anonymous 12440

they are galoots in cahoots

Anonymous 12441

I heard they did 9/11.

Anonymous 12442

they stink

Anonymous 12448

they suck & they are unable to do anything

Anonymous 12449

a bunch of silly billies tbh

Anonymous 12452

the image in your op looks like a cartoon rapist

Anonymous 12453

I thought that's a robber.

Anonymous 12457

he looks like a robber but also the type to fuck you in your sleep if he saw you there

Anonymous 12463

all men are, dont be naive

Anonymous 12488

male anus too close to penis

Anonymous 12500

rarely use "inside" voices and get mad when you politely tell them to quiet down

Anonymous 12501

>>12488 I completely forgot about that screencap and I am laughing so hard

Anonymous 12506

they think they age like wine. that is rare. most look bad fast if they don't take good care of themselves, but they think they get better with time…

Anonymous 12508

tbf I think that's a 4chan/Reddit meme, I don't think anyone half rational thinks that.

Inb4 men aren't half rational

Anonymous 12517

young men look better..

Anonymous 12518

They fart. ew

Anonymous 12519

My (now former) male best friend texted me out of blue the other day that "it's over for girls once they reach 30, but men age like wine"

First male friend I ever met online, and definitely the last. We didn't even meet on a site like 4chan or reddit.

He wasn't like this when we were younger, but the past year or so he's slowly started making snide comments about women (knowing that I am one).

I have to wonder if he started going on one of those MGTOW or Redpill forums. He was never a saint, but he used to be incredibly funny and clever. He literally lost all interest in anything except dating/one night stands although he seems to hate women. I forgave him once a few months ago, but am sooo done.

Even if it's "over" for me once I reach 30 (I'd just date other "ancient" women) and he starts looking like a male supermodel, it's OVER for our friendship. It's no surprise to me why so many women here and on lolcow hate men, especially if they've been meeting them online.

Anonymous 12522

i wonder if he's sexually frustrated towards you

Anonymous 12523

Man you guys are seriously dead set on turning this imageboard into LC 2.0/female /r9k/, aren't you?

Anonymous 12525

Maybe he thinks he's being funny. I knew a couple guys that tried the Daniel Tosh "I know I don't mean this but I got to pretend that I do to make it funny" comedy style.

Problem is, Tosh is a comedian, he gets some leeway because cracking jokes is his job. I don't go to Daniel Tosh for emotional support and a sense of camaraderie. That's my friend's job.

You know what I mean?

Anonymous 12539

Are you new? There was an active misandry thread when the board was still a few months old.
No one's forcing anything.

Anonymous 12541

I remember the misandry thread. I also remember it dying fairly quickly and never getting as much traction as any of the LC ones.

Anonymous 12542

Nah, the Admin put in on autosage because it attracted attention from the wrong type of people during the raids. It was still active for a bit until everyone forget about it.

Anonymous 12547

Did you even read OP and the replies here?
Mild issues with a bunch of silly posts.
It's nothing serious. Lol you're overreacting. Maybe give up on imageboards.

Anonymous 12588

I hate male college students. Pretty much all of them.

Anonymous 12590

Everytime I suggest using lotion or an exfoliant every now and then for their rough looking skin they get butthurt, why?

this place in the early months is comparable to a more established site like LC? c'mon gal.

Anonymous 12591


>Everytime I suggest using lotion or an exfoliant every now and then for their rough looking skin they get butthurt
Seriously this!
>guy friend kept complaining about having dry dead skin and breaking out
>suggest that he exfoliates and moisturizes
>doesn't even know what exfoliating is, complains that moisturizing is gay/for girls
>says that women "try too hard" because we do these extremely basic things
What the fuck kind of solution for your dusty skin do you want then you egg

Anonymous 12592

Something something something something that's gay bro something something something me big strong man something something soyboys something muh dick

Anonymous 12593

I go outside and interact with men on a daily basis, so I haven't turned them into boogeymen inside my mind.

Anonymous 12594

these ones

Anonymous 12595

look who is special

Anonymous 12596


Who called them boogeymen, or anything like that?

Damn, what’s the point of a board like this if we can’t even commiserate with each other and take the piss on occasion without some pick mes on their high horse hissing about how we’re loser meanies for saying anything the least bit critical ever.
Do you think you’ll be showered with validation if you defend men on an anonymous imageboard? You won’t.

Anonymous 12597

Even when I've said that x girl's skin looks good because she probably has a routine, etc. some dudes I've talked to go into denial mode. Especially if the woman in question is asian.

I think it's because men don't want to keep their youthfulness as much as women, especially in light of the "aging like fine wine" meme, but there's a difference between looking mature and having accumulating dead skin on your face but whatever I guess.

Anonymous 12598


Cool! You can't sit with us.

Anonymous 12600

That's nice. Can I invite you to /r/mgtow, /r/theredpill, returnofkings, or any similar space? Because that's what men TRULY think about us when they don't have to pretend and be polite in real life.

I'm glad you have nice experiences, and I hope they never open up to you and disappoint you when you learn how much they truly fucking hate women.

Anonymous 12601

>your actual experiences don’t reflect reality but anonymous message forms do

Anonymous 12602

this shit right here is toxic. the people you're talking about aren't 'men' they are incels. i know i am going to get shat on, but i hate the hypocrisy in these threads. we all know not all men are like this and saying 'men' instead of what you mean is being obtuse on purpose and shitty. any of you who have boyfriends need to break up with them too.

this whole trend of be obtuse and hate 'men' when we really mean certain people is really cringy.

i don't hate men. i hate the gross alt-right incel who stalked me, or the nasty fuccboi who tried to take a video up my skirt.

and i love my boyfriend, and my cool guy friends who don't want to fuck me.

but i fucking hate people who fight hate with hate just because they feel it's valid to shit on 'men' just because women aren't treated well by some people. it's totally backwards and embarrassing and detracts from the actual problem.

especially shit like what you're spouting. go outside and talk to people and realize that "men" aren't all out to get you and "women" aren't all your friends.

this shit is toxic.

Anonymous 12603

don't waste your breath, anon. these people want to hate just to hate. they're just going to reee and yell about 'men are x' men have no sympathy, while not realizing they are becoming the thing they hate. and when you point it out they just bitch about how it's justified cause men. it's just cause they don't understand that people can live in society without being effected by it negatively, and that shit like toxic masculinity is a learned, perpetuated behavior that not everyone has. and then they get mad at the idea of excusing some men because 'all men are part of the problem' as if men are purposely not fighting those who perpetuate toxic masculinity out of spite.

i'm out.

Anonymous 12605

>Implying most women and men aren't retarded animals beyond saving

Anonymous 12606

Who the fuck is even saying hateful shit ITT though? Read it again dumbasses, these are mostly jokes. Take your asses back to reddit where you can ass-kiss in peace.

Anonymous 12607

>mostly jokes

what thread are you in? the last joke was like the 10th post. people arguing about how women age aren't joking. this >>12600 lovely basement flower isn't joking. and i'm sure as hell all the people who are criticizing anons aren't either.

Anonymous 12608

If making fun of men’s aversion to skincare seems too hateful for you idk what to tell you anon. You sure as shit don’t belong on imageboards if the conversations above this post >>12593 were enough to trigger you.

Anonymous 12609

Because men won't say this shit directly to your face. A better indicator is how they act and what they say when women aren't around. And guess what? It's not great.

Anonymous 12610

There's a lot of angery in this thread right now.

Some people need tea and some people need to fuck something angrily.

Anonymous 12611

>Some people need tea and some people need to fuck something angrily.

Both would be nice.

Anonymous 12659

Still, though. Incel echo chambers do not represent all locker room-ish discussions. There's a lot of different kinds of men out there, even though most are either bitter wizards or stupid pigs.
If you want a taste of what the latter talks about, hang outside any shitty Rust Belt factory on smoke break. You could still make keys with the subject matter, but it's by no means hateful.
t. different anon

Anonymous 12680

With how men commit so many crimes and how they are the common perpetrator of domestic violence, its entirely logical for women to avoid men in any way possible. Only ignorant idiots get in relationships with them.

Anonymous 12682

Really want to hard grind a guy's face whether his primitive ass likes it or not.

Anonymous 12684


>The CDC also stated that 40% of lesbian women reported physical violence by their partners, and 44% reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners. In contrast, 35% of heterosexual women reported physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners in the same study.
The numbers were even lower for gay guys, fyi.

Anonymous 12685


>b-but what about the gays??

Anonymous 12686


Yeah, wikipedia is such a great and accurate source of information, especially for a statistic that is incorrectly parroted by MRA everywhere.

Anonymous 12687

Damn this is bullshit, it's you who should stop being so quiet smh

Anonymous 12688

>30.4 percent of same-sex cohabiting women reported being victimized by a male partner
Wait, how does that work? How can women cohabiting with someone from the same sex have a male partner?

Anonymous 12689

>they're just going to reee and yell about 'men are x' men have no sympathy, while not realizing they are becoming the thing they hate.
I don't think most, if not any of us, are sexually harrassing or assulting men, or perpetrating violence against men, so sorry, there's no way we'd ever be as toxic.

I don't have sympathy when all the nicest men I know still go along with their buddies and let all their friends' nasty comments slide instead of speaking up about it.

It's funny those of us who are saying we hate the behavior of men are being characterisized as basement dwellers. The more I am into the world, the more sexual violence and negative experiences related to me refusing to date men occur. I still live my life, but it's apparently crappy of me to talk to other women about how I wish I didn't have to deal with all these inconveniences that arise from men.

I also think it's weird these men-defenders act like we act shitty towards men irl. I can't speak for everyone, but I still treat them as courteously as possible because a) it's an ingrained behavior I naturally lean towards because they're men and b) i don't like being an ass. Just because I hate men doesn't mean I hate the man I don't know who I'm meeting for the first time.

Anonymous 12690

>I also think it's weird these men-defenders act like we act shitty towards men irl. I can't speak for everyone, but I still treat them as courteously as possible
Women-haters often do the same but it's bad because they secretly hate women and don't respect them.

Anonymous 12691

O m g
Not everyone realizes they're lesbian once they go through puberty, and it doesn't mention bisexuals in the study which makes me wonder if some of the lesbians were actually bisexual.

Also, some lesbians have lived with men in close friend roommate situations.

There's a lot of reasons why a lesbian could have cohabitated with a man in her life.

Anonymous 12692

The thing is that I always try to respect a stranger male as a person and as an equal even though I "hate" men. It doesn't seem to affect how they decide to treat me.

Anonymous 12694


About the men-defenders, I know it’s pretty much a meme to chalk it up to “internalized misogyny” but I can’t think of any other reason why they’d feel the need to rush in and play captain-save-a-ho for these scandalous ass rats when we’re usually bashing on some of the worst possible examples of the male sex. A so-called “good man" will never make the rounds in one of these discussions because guess what? The subject matter and the behavior we’re describing doesn’t apply to them and they’re not out there defending men that do these things. If they make mistakes they at least have the self-awareness to understand when they’ve done wrong and attempt to do better next time. I can at least somewhat understand when they pipe up for them but the #NotAllMen shit is so beaten to death. We logically KNOW it can’t possibly be every man on Earth, dumdum. That still doesn’t warrant quieting down about all the deplorable shit we come into contact with.

I can’t imagine how self-loathing you’d have to be to try to shut down discussion about rapists, murders, wife-beaters,manosphereans, and ultra-misogynists in general because hurr durr they’re not all like that. We know.

This particular thread started off so silly too. Are men really so fragile that these women have to scream at us to shut up while they pat men on the ass because someone made fun of their crusty skin and the “men age like fine wine,” meme? I guess so.
pic related.

Anonymous 12695

I don't know, most women I know are fine tbh
Most men I know would probably agree

Anonymous 12696


>extreme woman hating thread on other boards:
Agreement, affirmation, die roastie scum
>mild man hating thread on other boards:
tits or gtfo roastie scum
>mild man hating thread on cc
iTS toXIC to mEN, youRE as bAD as THey trEAT yoU

Anonymous 12697

This thread makes me sad, if anything. I think of CC as a comfy place, that where we can discuss things politely, without spouting memes and ad hominems. I really don't want it to become next lolcow.
Treating any group as vast as whole gender as a monolith is harmful to both sides. Treat a person as a person, before a gender.
Argument of "men do the same" is lazy and hypocritical. It changes the "this behavior is harmful" to "this behavior is harmful, because it attacts me".
It doesn't make the situation better by any means. Some poor normal guy can go to /r9k/ and tell them that their woman hating threads are shitty. Now they will tell him the same thing that anons here said. "It's OK, look at lolcow and CC, they have them too."
Hate never makes anything better. If you hear someone close to you say something sexist, correct them, tell them it's something wrong. Maybe they don't know any better.
I'm sorry some of you had bad experience, but blaming half of the population for it is just silly.

Anonymous 12698

Dw too much, Anon. You always have to remember that online people who aren't interested don't get represented, I'm sure I'm not the only poster who saw this discussion and walked on by, so to speak.

Anonymous 12699

Meant for >>12697

Anonymous 12703

Again - none of us have said we think rape or intimidating men for no reason is a good idea. None of us are suggesting that we harrass men to put them in their place. None of us are saying they are definitively inferior to us. It is crazy to me how people think man hating threads rival woman hating threads in the slightest.

Anonymous 12704

I was worried a thread like this would have attracted raids from incels, but I guess our own population do a fine enough job of derailing the shit out of it.

What's with CC and people who complain about x happening being much more annoying and over the top than the people talking about x in the first place? (x = man-"hate", transgenders, etc).

Don't be so dramatic.

Anonymous 12706

>Treating any group as vast as whole gender as a monolith is harmful to both sides. Treat a person as a person, before a gender.
…how many times are we going to have to repeat it before it gets through your thick skull that we generally already get this. We don’t really think it’s all of them and we don’t treat men like shit right off the bat for being men. Do you have problems with reading comprehension or something?

>I also think it's weird these men-defenders act like we act shitty towards men irl. I can't speak for everyone, but I still treat them as courteously as possible because a) it's an ingrained behavior I naturally lean towards because they're men and b) i don't like being an ass. Just because I hate men doesn't mean I hate the man I don't know who I'm meeting for the first time.

>We logically KNOW it can’t possibly be every man on Earth, dumdum. That still doesn’t warrant quieting down about all the deplorable shit we come into contact with.

Anonymous 12710


Your precious mens aren't going to die because someone made (what was clearly intended to be) a gag thread

Anonymous 12712

It is all men.

Anonymous 12718

This thread is why none of you have boyfriends, you know.

Anonymous 12722


I didn't realize this was the new MRA hangout. There's a reason we're on an all-female board: men suck ass and we don't want to talk to them. That includes every single man to exist ever.

Anonymous 12723


have a boyfriend of 4 years, sorry :^(

Anonymous 12729

John Lennon Giving…

I was sticking up for them a little ITT and I'm still miserable and alone. Or is that your point? Well put, I suppose.

Unrelated question: would anyone like 6 cats?

Anonymous 12731

Normal men don't visit r9k in the first place, especially not by wasting time trying to argue with them in a mongolian flute board thread. This thread doesn't hold a candle to r9k's thoughts and concepts about women and I don't even hate men. Fucking yuck, anon. Love yourself.

Anonymous 12750

There are men on r9k that aren't hateful, they're just autistic or shy which makes them lonely. You're right that doesn't make them normal overall, but they can have normal views of women. I agree their hate threads are a million times worse.

Anonymous 12753


>anons defending men itt despite all the posts here being tame as fuck

bitches, please. do you see men jumping to defend us in their horrifying threads? this thread is nothing but harmless fun.
go deep throat their dicks somewhere else.

Anonymous 12762

Devil advocate here. Literally every 'chan' message-board have men defending women. It's just they're considered white knights.

Anonymous 12763

except theres a huge difference in the kind of defense happening there

on any chan/reddit/male dominated post
>man 1: women are all disgusting slut whores who divorce rape men and have no emotions or empathy and they have hamsters for brains and theyre all ugly after the age 30 and pedophillia should be legal
>man 2: maybe not all of that is true?
>every other fucking man in the thread: YOU FUCKING LIBTARD CUCK SJW BLUEPILLED SOYBOY REEEEE

but here

>woman 1: i hate how men treat women. here are some personal anecdotes where i was treated badly by men.

>woman 2: have you considered maybe its YOUR fault men treat you bad? i met a man and he was nice to me so you're wrong.

Anonymous 12764


Anonymous 12765

Don't you find it bigoted that you're conflating what a man is? It's like saying all women have vaginas and all men have penises.

Anonymous 12767

le funny sjw XDDDDDDDDD

Anonymous 12768


Anonymous 12769

Are you saying all men have penises and that all women have vagina's? Because 95% of contemporary academia disagrees with you.

Anonymous 12770

this website is generally sympathetic to "TERF" ideology so idk what to tell you.

Anonymous 12771


just ignore. it's a butthurt male anon

Anonymous 12774


>i met a man and he was nice to me so you're wrong.
Ha, I know right? They literally think the far-reaching consequences of a society ingrained with misogyny turns null and void every time a man does something nice for you. On some level I think it’s a defense mechanism so that they don’t have to admit any harsh truths to themselves, and consequently be in a state of hyper-awareness and pain about societal attitudes towards women. There’s always that one suicidal-anon in the lolcow man-hate thread who pegs every man to be a raging misogynistic beast, and I think that’s what she’s experiencing at the moment.

Well to be fair, she does have a really shitty father and I’m sure she knows other men who are genuinely like that, but as it stands I think the reality is more complex than just that. To fully understand what I’m about to get at next a few of you are going to have to wrap your head around the reality of the human condition. We all navigate through society with an inner-world and a mode in which we outwardly express ourselves. Some people are more outward in how they express themselves, and some people are less so. Obviously, this is where the concepts of introverted and extroverted came from. Everyone also has a completely unique set of experiences that shapes them as they grow older and separates them from being completely on the same wavelength as other people.

Naturally, as every person has an inner-world and a completely unique set of experiences, there are going to be somethings about other people that you will never know about them. Somethings that they aren’t so eager to express to others, or even YOU in particular. Somethings that aren’t going to be so easy to swallow. You will never fully get to know another person on such an intimate level, and that’s fine.
>What does this have to do with misogyny?
Well as I said before, it’s an ingrained societal attitude. It’s likely to affect every man you know in some way, shape, or form in ways you may not even be aware of, unless he lives on a deserted island.

Some of your Nice Boys™ may not be as perfectly nice and innocent as you think. No one is perfect. That doesn’t always revoke their Nice Boy™ status depending on the situation, but you have to be more honest with yourselves about how bad this shit really is and how it’s not just neckbeards on the internet perpetuating it to some degree.
It’s like when multiple accusations come out against a rapist and a lot of people gasp in “shock" and deny it.
>He couldn’t have done that! He’s a Nice Boy™ All 500 of those women are liars liars pants on fire
He could have totally done that. After all, no one is perfect. Some are more bad than good, and others are more good than bad, but we all have the capability to choose to do wrong at any given moment. It depends on our values, and misogyny has pretty much been on a value in almost every major culture for thousands of years since men took away women’s right to self-determination (and then gave it back in certain areas of the world.) You think that shit just changes over night?
I had to admit some unpleasant things to myself about the Nice Boys™ in my life too. Don’t worry you’ll come out a stronger and wiser person, if you can stand it.

Anonymous 12781

>bitches, please. do you see men jumping to defend us in their horrifying threads?
Well yeah, it happens all the time, they just get called beta cuck soyboys.

Except on wizchan, I suppose - defending women there usually leads to a ban, but wizchan has far, far less traffic than /r9k/ does.

Anonymous 12787


so how do we convince men to apply lotion?

Anonymous 12788

I have an idea.

Anonymous 12810


Anonymous 12815

I'm not a male. I'm a woman. Idk what you say.

Anonymous 12818

lmao every woman has the right to be a spineless doormat if she wishes to but leave us smart women alone who understand that men are complete demons

men just are more violent and degenerate people in general than women, statistics prove that.

i guess most mild annoying thing about men and their orbiters is that they keep pushing their shit. like men and their lovers are just fucking unable to leave women alone. when women in general don't like someone they just fuck off usually, but men, no, they just gotta keep pushing their shit and themselves to people who don't like them, and they get their little handmaidens to push them and their shit for them. what's about dicks that it makes their owners and handlers fucking insane cultists who need to spread their dickshit to everyone?

also lmao @ anons comparing misandry to /rk9/ shit, as if mras and so-ons's reasons for hating women is that their mommy forced them to wash the dishes once or that their high school crush never noticed them and it's the whore's fault not being able to read minds and understand that the smelly sweaty anime kid who never talks to anyone loves her and shows it by watching her across the lucn room every day, while women who hate men generally do it because their dad raped them in the every damn hole in their body or some other brutal, actually fucked up shit.

Anonymous 12820



>wah wah women who don't agree with me are dumb

>wah wah all men are worthless, i, a smart woman can see that
You are aware you are spouting the same shit as MRAs, robots and Incels with the genders reversed, right?

As if the man-hating thread on lolcow wasn't cancer enough now we have to bring the same shit here on what was supposed to be a light-hearted thread, Sad.

Anonymous 12822

>all men aren't shit
>so stop talking about the men who are
Literally what kind of shit is this? Why do you hate yourself so much?

Anonymous 12823

Literally who even said anything you said, did you even read my post kek.
I was criticizing her for calling women that don't believe the same she does dumb and "spineless doormats* and feeling superior because she is so enlightened, i never said shit about men.

>pointing out that someone is spouting the same arguments as neckbeards with the genders reversed means i hate myself


Anonymous 12825

>Literally who even said anything you said
You send that message every time you want to whine about discussion you don’t like because >hurr not all!
Yeah, not all y are z and water is wet. Do you actually have anything new and interesting to contribute, or are you going to keep dragging around the same corpse to divert from what the actual problem is?

Anonymous 12826

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That and my reply were my only posts about this shit here, what the fuck are you even spouting about me saying shit, i didn't even mention men in any my posts since i was complaining about that enlightened anon insulting women who have different opinions, yet you are sperging out because ???? lmao.

It appears you lack reading comprehension and want to start an infight over nothing, so i'm not even gonna bother, have fun.

Anonymous 12827

>>wah wah all men are worthless, i, a smart woman can see that
So you didn't just type this. This wasn't your strawman? Okay then. You're free to go.

Anonymous 12828


I, for one, am going to start going around and putting lotion on whatever spot of exposed bare skin men around me have. I think in their efforts to wipe it off, some of the lotion will seep into their skin and moisturize it.

Anonymous 12829

Maybe the same idea can be applied for those who don't use deodorant. Sure, it's hard to get it on their armpits casually, but if one were able to roll it on even their arms, they should start smelling at least a little less offensive to the nose.

Anonymous 12830

There are also spray deodorants.

I think even just spritzing febreeze on them when they start stinking might be a subtle enough reminder when they smell bad.

Anonymous 12831


being mean never solved anything

Anonymous 12832


our president didn't get to where he is now by being nice

Anonymous 12833

Which president?

Anonymous 12835

all of them

Anonymous 12839

I hate when men get all insecure over sexual pasts. Just because you're a loser and I'm your first doesn't mean you're my first.

Anonymous 12841

luckily not many men are like that any more. My ex and my current bf are good friends

Anonymous 12843


we need water guns filled with lotion

Anonymous 12844


shoot lotion, not bullets

Anonymous 12850

it's because they're obsessed with finding a "pure" girl
it's their way of determining how loyal girls can potentially be. the more partners mean a higher chance of being unhappy with them and possibly cheating.

Anonymous 12852


isn't that true, though?

t. waiting for marriage

Anonymous 12857

Yeah, it is.
t. I say I'm waiting for marriage but really just don't leave my room or meet people

Anonymous 12858

Why criticize guys on it then? I don't want to marry a manwhore so why should I expect a male virgin to marry womenwhores?

Anonymous 12860

Statistics like these cannot be taken at face value. Because what group of people is more likely to wait until marriage before having sex? The extremely religious. What group of people is most likely to stay in a marriage no matter what and frowns upon divorce? The extremely religious.

That graph also says nothing about the happiness of said marriage, or the faithfulness within the marriage.

Anonymous 12861

>Happiness of said marriage

>Faithfulness within marriage

Highly correlated with unhappiness. If people with fewer premarital partners divorce less AND are happier in their marriage, I think it's safe to say they're more faithful than the people that fuck a new girl/guy every week.

Look up oxytocin and pair bonding.

Anonymous 12863

>fuck a new person every week

but there is a middle ground between "constant one night stands" and "waiting until marriage". if someone gets married at 30, and had a handful of couple year long relationships along the way, she might have 3 or 4 sexual partners.

the study you just linked was of 1000 people, where only 418 got married, thats a really small sample size.

Reading more into the article
>23 percent of participants who only had sex with their spouse prior to getting hitched reported higher quality marriages versus those who had other past sexual partners as well.

So that is only twenty three percent of people who waiting until marriage for sex/only had sex with their spouse were happy. thats 23% of a a smaller number than 418.

And again in the own article you linked

>Indeed, while the data presented in The Marriage Project’s 418-person study is legitimate, experts say that the conclusions drawn from it — especially those which cast judgement on one’s sexual history and incite sentiments of slut-shaming — may not be entirely accurate.

>“For example, people who tend to avoid commitment in general may have more sexual partners and be less happy when they settle down. It’s not the fact that they have more sexual partners that leads them to be less happy, it’s the fact that they don’t really like commitment. I would be very surprised if having multiple sexual partners before marriage, independent of any other factor, has a direct causal influence.”

And there is also doubt as to how the "happiness" was actually measured.

>Beyond that, Lehmiller says there may be flaws in the way data was analyzed — the way in which good marriages were separated from bad marriages was “rather odd” he says. “Even the authors admit that they were ‘arbitrary’ in their report. They defined ‘higher quality marriages’ as those in which individuals scored in the top 40 percent … Why the top 40 percent?”

Correlation =/= causation.

From the PDF of the actual study it says
>The primary findings discussed in this report analyze the outcome, marital quality, as a continuous measure.
To facilitate a visual representation of the associations in this report, we illustrate key findings by graphing
the percentage of individuals who fall in the top 40 percent of marital quality. This cut point was selected
by inspection of the distribution. While it is somewhat arbitrary, we reasoned that these people are not just
doing “above average” in their marriages, but are doing quite well. Dichotomizing marital quality in this way
provides a means to display groups’ relative likelihood of reporting higher levels of marital quality

Looking at the website of the National Marriage Project, they also connect having large weddings to having a successful marriage. As well as "sliding versus deciding" which the website describes as

>For instance, among those who cohabited, couples who decided to live together before marriage in an intentional way are more likely to enjoy happy marriages, compared to couples who just slid into cohabitation before marriage.

Which seems arbitrary and hard to really study and decide. Couples who decided to live together before marriage last longer than couples who lived together before marriage?

Anonymous 12864

Hey whatever helps you sleep at night gal. The writing is all over the wall.

Anonymous 12865

Your use of the term pair bonding makes me feel like you're visiting from a redpill reddit or one of its offshoots.

Anonymous 12866

NTA and I've never been to those hell holes, but I can see those things are factual and it makes sense these facts are what they are. The truth hurts, I guess.

Anonymous 12868

Okay then I'll humour you and discuss "pair bonding and oxytocin". From what I know from those cesspools, pair bonding happens when a woman has sex with a man, because oxytocin is released during orgasm and arousal. It is also released during cuddling, be it with a dog or a person.

So if that tricky oxytocin is what causes pair bonding, what are we defining as starting pair bonding? is it just sex and women riding that pesky cock carousel, or is it kissing, cuddling, hugging? is it fantasizing about another male celebrity or even masturbating? are we supposed to be completely asexual until we find a husband in order to have successful marriages?

fact is humans are more complicated creatures than your articles on pair bonding and self help relationship articles tell you. if you want to wait until marriage, thats great. i really hope it works out for you and i wish you the best. but theres no guarantee for anything in life, and that includes a successful and happy marriage.

Anonymous 12870

it is interesting how you assumed a bunch of things about my life based on a single comment i made, the only i made on this topic btw. you do you, anon. i never said it was wrong or right, but that the link the other anon provided seem legit. and how the fuck am i going to know how other people feel or are supposed to feel when fucking? that is not my fucking business.

Anonymous 12871

> So if that tricky oxytocin is what causes pair bonding, what are we defining as starting pair bonding? is it just sex and women riding that pesky cock carousel, or is it kissing, cuddling, hugging? is it fantasizing about another male celebrity or even masturbating? are we supposed to be completely asexual until we find a husband in order to have successful marriages? fact is humans are more complicated creatures than your articles on pair bonding and self help relationship articles tell you.

You can admit that humans are complicated, so why are you asking questions about minute details instead of seeing the trend? Can't you understand how someone who has sex with a thousand guys will be more used to oxytocin releaases, which are indeed significant to pair bonding, than someone who has sex with one guy? It's the same logic that a guy that jerks it to hundreds of porn stars probably won't be as bonded to his wife as a guy that abstains from porn.

> but theres no guarantee for anything in life, and that includes a successful and happy marriage.

Just because life isn't black and white doesn't mean some choices won't drastically increase odds of success. There's no guarantee that going to college will get me a good job, but it significantly increases my odds of success compared to someone that drops out of high school.

Anonymous 12873

and you completely ignored where the article the anon shared contradicted itself and presented data that can hardly be acknowledged universally, since it only involved a whopping 418 participants.

again why is it always "pure sexless virgin" versues "slut with 1000 partners"? someone with 1000 partners (doubtful even for a pornstar) likely suffers from some other issue, probably mentally or emotionally, that could cause something like hypersexuality. whether or not they could successful pairbond would be the least of that hypothetical persons issues.

Anonymous 12875

> since it only involved a whopping 418 participants.

You do not understand basic statistics! The whole reason we do surveys is because we can't get a response from an entire population. Unless you believe that the participants were chosen in a biased way, you do not have an argument. Google the concept of statistical significance; even if there are a low number of participants (and 418 is not low btw, low would be like <30 or <50) there can still be a statistically significant difference in the populations.

> gain why is it always "pure sexless virgin" versues "slut with 1000 partners"?

Because we're looking at trends. If you believe that promiscuity doesn't cause a deficiency in ability to hold a relationship then why can't pornstars (male OR female) hold relationships as well as virgins (male OR female)?

Anonymous 12876


418 is still really small compared to the 60 million married couples in the United States right now. Yes statistics uses smaller sample sizes since we cannot study all married couples in America. But there are still variables to consider. Like for example, what state were the couples from, considering how some states can skew more religious than others, or skew more conservative or liberal.

Here is another chart for you. Minus the virgins at marriage, women with 3-9 partners before marriage have the lowest divorce rate. And women with 2 partners have the highest.

And again, you're looking at insane extremes, complete polar opposites. The porn industry is explotive, many women are trafficked into it, or forced into it. They're pimped out even when they aren't filming a scene, which takes HOURS and is not comparable to real sex, even regular old slutty one night stand sex. Often times they are provided with drugs or substances to cope. Porn actresses are talked into doing scenes they might not have agreed too, like anal or gangbang. And they cannot say no, for fear of losing their paycheck or getting blacklisted from the the industry. There is more evils to the porn industry than just having a lot of sex.

Anonymous 12877

> 418 is still really small compared to the 60 million married couples in the United States right now. Yes statistics uses smaller sample sizes since we cannot study all married couples in America. But there are still variables to consider. Like for example, what state were the couples from, considering how some states can skew more religious than others, or skew more conservative or liberal.

Ok, please provide evidence that these professional researchers don't understand how to take simple random samples. You think they just handed out flyers?

> Here is another chart for you. Minus the virgins at marriage, women with 3-9 partners before marriage have the lowest divorce rate. And women with 2 partners have the highest.

Sure, because men and women with 2 partners got a taste of sex with other people and now they're wondering if they can do better with their current wife/husband. Virgins are still waaaay above the rest because they haven't compromised their ability to pair bond.

Anonymous 12879

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Anonymous 12880

I agree with you completely anon. Another issue is that people often come up with a hypothesis, and do whatever necessary to "prove" they were right. At least in these situations where math, statistics, and science aren't involved.

Anonymous 12881

They really aren't way above the rest. If looking at the dark blue bars for the data from 2006, the divorce rate for virgins was 15% and the divorce rate for 5-9 partners was just a little over 25%. Looking at the data for 2002, the percentages are a little over 25% for non virgins and 30% for 5-9 partners. The rates for EVERYONE dropped between 2002 and 2006. But if virginity is truely the key to a successful marriage, why are the people with 5-9 partners doing okay? And better than the people who have slept with only one or two people before?

And the base is for women who have been married atleast once. But were their answers based on how many partners they had before marriage or how many partners they had to date of being asked? A woman who got married young to her first boyfriend, then got divorced and subsequently slept with several people afterword would still count as having pre-marital sex right?

Anonymous 12882

lmao what red herring has been dragged on this trail

I had parents who met and dated in high school (they'd never dated before) and married, and are still married, and they love to spew at how happy their relationship is when my mom in day-to-day life is clearly hurt by how inferior my dad treats her. She's a redpilled conservative, so I doubt she'll ever want to admit he treats her this way. It's even sadder than the times she does confront him that he doesn't care because she's an emotional woman.

Honestly, I don't see divorce as a necessarily negative thing. I am happy pursing relationships for periods of years to a decade with people, then admitting that it's better we split up for our own sakes. If I had children, hopefully my partner and I would still live together depending on how young the child is, regardless of whether we dated other people or not.

I think in the future that divorce won't have an as negative connotation as it used to.

Anonymous 12883

Also, sorry for the shit grammar.

Anonymous 12884

DOUBLING your chance of divorce is a big deal. You're just looking at it as "only a 10 - 15% improvement", which is a math fail on your part.

>le divorce isnt bad meme

inb4 "just because we divorce doesn't mean he won't see be a good father". Yeah you count on it

Anonymous 12885



did you make this?

Anonymous 12887

This might be shocking to you, but I know plenty of people who "break up" but still live together and don't continue to engage in sexual activities. I know people who continue to raise their children together in the same home instead of leaving each other. You are acting like because people no longer are romantically interested in each other that must stop living together, where I live, housing prices are so high, it is quite the deterrent to moving out.

Also, your source doesn't take into account same-sex couples; for example, my future partner is going to be a gal. If we're talking heterosexual couples, I'd also argue it's better to be fatherless if it's a situation where the father is abusive to the mother or children. There are good reasons for divorce beyond romantic deprivation.

Anonymous 12889

Ok so basically you're only referring to a hyperminority. Cool I guess?

Anonymous 12890


yeah I'm procrastinating hw

Anonymous 12892


same, have a few finals tomorrow and would rather spam lotion men

Anonymous 12902


B-but men know lotion exists. What kind of an absolute monster would do this instead of using it on his ashy skin…

Nice memes.

Anonymous 12904


if its current year and you don't have s smoothskin bf I feel bad for you sis

Anonymous 12909

My fucking roommate didn't wipe his ass. He reeks of shit, the stench is overwhelming from 5 feet away.

I notice this sort of thing far more often with men than women. Everybody needs to wipe their goddamn asses, homophobia is no excuse for not doing what even sick dogs take care of promptly.

Anonymous 12912


Wait… there are people who don't wipe their ass?

Anonymous 12913

>homophobia is no excuse
Say what?

It might not be as bad as all that… He might just have a very hairy arse and be too lazy to wipe it properly.

Anonymous 12914

Guys have never scoffed at you about how ass hygiene is for faggots who touch their own butts?

Anonymous 12916

No… Never. What kind of third world hell are you from?

Anonymous 12918

exactly my reaction lol

Anonymous 12921

>He might just have a very hairy arse and be too lazy to wipe it properly
…is that somehow better? being too lazy to wipe properly is just as bad as not wiping at all. especially when he has a hairy ass and the fecal particles get stuck in his hairs and smoosh around in his buttcrack.

Anonymous 12925

>My ex and my current bf are good friends

That's kinda hot

Anonymous 12929


No, it's not better, but I was using that as a way to make a joke about it by implicating that something just as disgusting was possibly better.

Why though?

Anonymous 12931

Men never wipe their asses. How do you not know this?

Anonymous 12933

You know it's true when a simple search for the innocuous "ass wipes" pulls up men's health websites and bro guides lmao

Anonymous 12968


Holy fuck it's true. There are grown men out their who need instructions on how to wipe their ass. I can't stop laughing.

Anonymous 12996

I am disappointed, this can't be common

Anonymous 12997

It's incredibly common. Men dont simply don't know they're supposed to wipe.

Anonymous 12998


What kind of a parent doesn't teach their kid to wipe their ass? How does this even occur with the widespread usage of toilet paper? Did mommy just do it for them the entire time? HOW?

Anonymous 13003

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I kid you not, some dudes in my country won't wipe their asses because they consider it to be GAY.

Poe's law at it's finest.

I do believe it's in the minority, but still baffling.

Also, this was a real campaign. It reads: "WASH YOUR DICK!

water and soap prevent penis cancer"

And below that, the first sentence: "Believe it or not, more than 1.000 men lose their genitals every year in Brazil due to lack of hygiene."

Anonymous 13010


Anonymous 13015

>All men are like that

Anonymous 13035

Is that the guy from /r9k/? Wow. I feel something like a mixture of cringe and sadness for him. I don't know how to describe it.
May God have mercy on his soul. RIP.

Anonymous 13036

This makes me very sad. He was so young. 18 is too young to decide if your whole life is going to suck or not.

Anonymous 13037

Is this a webm of a young man shooting himself in the head? I don't think I want to watch it to find out.

Anonymous 13038

Yeah, don't watch it if you know you're faint of heart. It's such a pathetic scene. I can't even hate him, I just feel sorry for him. Even if he was a little cunt.

Anonymous 13039


Anonymous 13040

Trash human being kills himself on stream while friends beg him not to over voice chat. Kills himself in his own room leaving a mess knowing his mom will come home soon to see it. Probably relished in the attention he was getting before he offed himself.

Anonymous 13041

Yeah, and relishing in his death makes you so much better. I like man-hate as much as the next gal, but this is just disgusting.

Anonymous 13042

18 year old kid posted on 4chan supposedly asking anons to convince him not to kill himself. Was encouraged to live stream it, did it.
The stream is absolutely horrifying, you can hear his online friends crying and his mom screaming and calling 911.

Anonymous 13043

He was a waifufag. Who cares?

Anonymous 13045

>owwww the ^edge^
He was a dumb teenager, with a stupid underdeveloped brain like all teenagers have. He was actually still in that age where having anime posters is not cringy, but that's irrelevant. He was still a person and didn't have to die.
>who cares?
Anyone mature enough to look at this shit and recognize how sad it is that someone young died in a gruesome way and a whole family will be scarred forever, as well as his friends and some impressionable anons who might have watched it.
Shit's not funny, and all the humurous production that came from this is a very transparent attempt to detach and sublimate the userbase's own horror and fear in the face of death.

Anonymous 13046

it's not funny, and incredibly sad, but all I can think is
>at least he shot himself and not other people.

Anonymous 13049


Wew at all these edgelords being happy about someone's death and thinking it's funny.
He was a young man with mental issues that got driven to death by people exactly like you since everyone tries to be le epic troll xdD kill yourself xddD because it's *super cool^being a sad internet troll guys!
No matter how much you hate men, if you can feel happiness out of a mentally ill boy broadcasting his brutal suicide and the suffering of his family and friends, you are seriously fucked up in the head.

Man, this website has been overridden with edgelords and underage sounding people lately. Sad.

Anonymous 13051

The guy was blatant scum. He had no empathy for the people around him that would be affected, and he likely wanted them to be affected otherwise he wouldn't stream it live, with friends on voice chat, and in his own home when he knows his mom will see it soon. He selfishly wanted attention just before he dies to feel sated in his last moments.
Should have at least gone somewhere else and killed himself alone where nobody would see it.

Anonymous 13052

he was a fucking teen, a mentally ill unripe boy. biologically he didn't even have the ability to weigh the consequences correctly like a fully developed adult, much less a healthy one. he was poisoned by this ~edge~ culture and wanted to feel accomplished for once in his short life. if that brings contempt instead of sadness and worry then i'd honestly be more scared about what you would do with that gun instead.

Anonymous 13053

Agree with >>13049, everyone needs to stop edgyBAWWWing

BAWWWWWWWWWW he was selfish, people he knew will be upset!1

>implying people committing suicide are making positive choices


also OT but the anon from the blatent islamic country sperging out needs to fuck off, admin pls remove kebab.

Anonymous 13055

He was a selfish attention whoring faggot and I only feel pity for his family and friends. Fuck that waifufag.

Anonymous 13056

Who said I feel happiness? Im not going to go out my way to sob over someone making dumb choices and being a sick fuck.His parents failed him. It's not my fault though.

Anonymous 13057


I don't think it's funny or anything like that, it is tragic and sad indeed, but it was his own choice. Nothing's gonna ever change that.

Anonymous 13058

If it were a cute girl killing herself, /r9k/ wouldn't be celebrating it, that's for sure.

Anonymous 13059


It's pretty funny anon.

Anonymous 13060

They absolutely would though?

Anonymous 13061

>implying suicidal people, suicidal teens at that, are making rational choices in their last moments
Sure, dude.
Plus the retards over at r9k told him to livestream it and kept being edgy, so he did because teenagers are fucking idiots. Teens are impressionable, and this whole edgy culture and le epic troll xd is cancer for society.
Do you think this suicidal teen would have killed himself if those "people" didn't feel the need to be edgy and push him to do it ruthlessly?

If you haven't noticed, there are edgelords in this thread calling it funny, i wasn't talking about anyone specifically.

Hilarious! By the way, how is middle school treating you?

Anonymous 13063


Also, streaming your suicide is the epitome of attention whoring. It's not like he can regret or anything like that anyway.

Anonymous 13064

Who the hell cares what /r9k/ thinks about a damn thing?

Anonymous 13066

a depressed, suicidal young boy wants some attention before blowing his fucking brains out and ending his short life
color me surprised.

I reallly think we're talking to immature idiots here too, it's just no use. every board gets underage cancer sooner or later

Anonymous 13067



Anonymous 13068


>all of these obvious underageposters
This is an 18 and over board. Get the fuck off the internet and come back in a few years when you can process this information with better judgment.

Anonymous 13069

Corny. I said I don't care but you're acting like you're just as mentally ill and retarded as the dude you're making fun of.

Anonymous 13071

I'm late to the party, what are you talking about?

Anonymous 13075

I wasn't used to reading stuff this smart on imageboards anymore.

Anonymous 13077

>all these chinese whispers about what happened
It doesn't even have anything to do with /r9k/, it was a guy who livestreamed his suicide for his little discord group, while his oneitis (the girl you can hear crying in the video) and his few online friends half-heartedly asked him to stop.

Anonymous 13079

A guy from /r9k/ shot himself on a live stream a few days ago

Anonymous 13111

>the year of our lord 2018
> someone shooting themselves on livestream ON 4chan
>supposedly "shocking"

Seriously? Y'all must be young as fuck.

Anonymous 13131


Maybe we aren't impressionable and the years we've spent on the internet hasn't successfully urged us into becoming pseudo-sociopathic wretches who take glee in the misfortune of others? Not that I think that this guy's suicide particularly stands out amongst the rest of the pile of filth, but this whole
>lulz kys im so hardcore xDDddddd
overtly juvenile culture is just obnoxious and embarrassing. You only laugh because you can compartmentalize this off from your personal experience. Faced with something like this striking too close to home you would be shook and that's an understatement.

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