Reproductive rights Anonymous 132021
If they affect you, here is the thread.
All year long gnarly old men have been in the background obsessing over whether we have them or not. They're not just obsessed with taking down abortion, they're obsessed with hacking up your right to use birth control too.
I'm not making this up, they've recently gone after a 1960s law that legalized married couples using birth control! (Guess where). There are/were only a FEW senators standing in their way.
The US is going south fast for women's reproductive health and rights. If "the powers that be" change hands again the zealous freaks will ruin it for every normal person out there.
It's not just about banning abortion, (whether you were raped or not!!!!!) It's worse than that. If you haven't heard any of this yet, you weren't paying attention enough
The fact that I can't say in detail which disgusting laws the senate narrowly prevented from passing, "lest it become politics" blows me away. If we can't talk about it here in cc where can we? Reddit the tranny internet capital ?? (Trannys are political too HELLO)
If this thread gets deleted I'm just going to assume the board is run by filthy scrotes. Reproductive rights are essential to basic health and wellbeing. Welcome to discussing what you will do without reproductive rights
just stop having sex with men lol
That's fucking ridiculous for most people. It's easy for me actually because I enjoy being single and being without the burden of a relationship, but this thread has to apply to everyone. Maybe consider that first.
I know it can be a toss up with any kind of herbal remedies, but I think it's still important information to know, in case the worse continues to happen. This zine goes into all kinds of different herbs, the potential side-effects and does a good job of reminding women that natural solutions aren't always the best or most well-advised.
With states banning abortion and ever encroaching on birth control, anything that can potentially help is vital.
>>132022>huehue stop having le sex with le mens
Think about it, the average person man or woman don't spend time thinking about philosophies like radfem simply because laymen don't do that. Not every person in a population can or will do that, but that doesn't mean laws protecting the average person should be stripped away because they don't have the time to question everything and learn separatism. People who make laws likely see the average person as a statistic and an NPC and if you do the same you'll see how easy it is to force people to do with you want with laws that otherwise had no basis to begin with. Just slip in a law about women not being able to choose whether or not they want a child because they are already married, which is ridiculous. A lot of people are too busy you know, working to make money and live and maintain their everyday social structures to be able to learn the dogma and rhetoric of the government and affectively fight against/for change.
This thread is going to get deleted or moved because there's already an abortion thread in /hb/, lurk more
This isn't a thread about abortion it's about the assault on reproductive rights in general. Abortion was an after thought.
it matters for women who are raped. but if you're a normie sex-haver / moidlover, it's basically your own fault.
Excuse me what if you find someone whose halfway descent and neither of you want kids or would rather postpone them?? Fuck right off with that ignorant childish nonsense
birth control can affect your mood and the way you think, even down to who you are attracted to. the reason its been pushed for women more than men is because they know men are violent chimptards and the consequences of these alterations could be worse. make men wear condoms or get surgeries instead of using bc.
Yeah, not a fan of just being treated like another resource for men to hoard and trade around. The worst of them seem to just want women to stay in the stable like good livestock regardless of any goals or aspirations we may have outside of it, as if women aren't thinking human beings and whose only purpose is to cook meals and spit out babies. Even the more moderate ones often skew that way. The lawmaking men are men and so will prioritize men's concerns over everything, which is securing their reproduction through manmade laws. If that means throttling womens' freedom or treating them like soft property, it's a sacrifice they're willing to make women take.
There's no point in putting up with men if not for children. Theres a reason why women bother staying with men they dont love/who abuse them : bc of children most of the time.
I really love my boyfriend and he's decent and competent in many ways but if not for a serious relationship that wil result in something more meaningful that dick in vagina, Id rather stay alone and working on myself for myself only according to my own standards only.
Not for my whole life, Im still young and I enjoy the kisses, but I wouldnt plan on something long term just because he's "decent".
People put up with others bullshit because they have something more important than that to protect. Something thats above their ego and sex once in a blue moon.
go back to r/childfree moidlover
If birth control were outlawed, my painful, severe, debilitating cystic acne would come back. Birth control is the only thing that helps my condition, and lots of other women's conditions as well. I'm not worried though since I live in an extremely blue state.
Your cystic acne has some other cause, and birth control is not fixing it, just suppressing it
Ok, please explain what is causing my cystic acne, since I'm sure the myriad of doctors I've visited during my childhood and adulthood were wrong. And that all of the research linking hormones with acne are wrong. Please enlighten me.
Don't trust anyone on this website, they have a crabs in a bucket mentality. Trust your doctors only
Does it matter? It fixes the problem…
Excuse me!!?? Children ruin your body, your finances, your freedom, your career, your marriage, your savings your travel plans, your mind
Get a clue tradfaggot you couldn't pay me a million dollars to join the breedstock coral with you. Even if you did I'd just pocket it and cruise the rest of my life. Cry more bitch t('>'t)
No it doesnt lol
Your body yes,but other things is just muh hedonism.
If you think thats whats more important to you then okay its logical, not my personal choice and I do consider it to be a bad judgment of valie but its yours.
But thats not true for everyone. Only scary part for me is the health one. Other things are personal adjustments and/or coping.
Unfortunately, studies have proven that women who have children are unhappier than childless and child free couples. Their average happiness only rises to meet childfree couples after the children have moved out and produced grandchildren.
As women, it is simply not worth the hassle of risking your life and likely becoming permanently injured merely to bring more souls into existence only to suffer.
>>132022>she says on a femcel board
Preaching to the quire, Nona
I find it really sad that there are women out there who think their only purpose is to produce men. Imagine thinking you're just a womb with tits, it's straight out of horror
What if they produce women anon
They will treat the girls like shit because of their internalized misogyny
Those women are gonna hate her for being complicit in male society and forcing her to live with and be abused by men.
Now you sound like a bona-fide moid faggot or brainwashed cult mongerer.
All of my friends who have children are tired and run down and often strained in every aspect of their lives. I thank my God everyday I'm not one of them. The older I get, the more I notice how much I dodged a MASSIVE bullet.
Especially considering men shunt the mass of the domestic / parenting shit onto you.
Why don't you just admit you're an LDS escapee while you're at it if you're going to try to ram that "parenting value" crap at me. Unless your true love and practically your hobby is children, it honestly just looks miserable and selfish even.
Especially with the state of the world, the way it is. The environment being pretty much destroyed. "Oh but that's not your problem, the future is your children's problem you're just here to bring them the gift of life!"
Selfless my ass. You just don't wanna be left out by the precious bored to death women in your Facebook feed.
Enjoying children is fine and all but it isn't remotely common. When you REALLY get into the daily struggle that is raising kids it just looks like the end of your life, and like inviting misery, for 18 -20 years, which by the end of all that? You're haggard and broke, bit nothing in the world has changed. If anything I'd just feel sorry for the kids I'd have to introduce to that.
Not a femcel, try not to label us all thanks.
I want children because I like children and I want to have offspring. I want to have my own children.
Then again its not for everyone.
What I said is that if I didnt want children, then I would simply not bother with men.
I perfectly know how maternity and pregnancy are considered and treated and thats precisely why Im angry about it.
I am in peace with being a woman today and yes men are cruel and have womb envy. Im not going to give up on the gift of life which should have been actually protected and sanctified the right way rather than treated like men's right, just because parenting is hard.
I dont think everyone should be parents. No I dont think reproduction is my only role in the role (also we need men for that as well, and its not even just a human thing, its just how we survive as a specie in general).
This world is not a world for women nor mothers but Im not going to die with regrets just because of the environment (as if having everyone childless was the actual solution, rather than big changes in means of production and economical policies)
Seems like the first post was jocular in nature, Nona. >>132021>Lest it become political
I think what the admins meant by "political" is just the typical /pol/ troll shit, as well as slinging labels like "left" and "right" around as if they have meaning, as opposed actual politics (I know, the English language is slowly being bastardized, nothing means what it means anymore and confusion is the end game). Hopefully that's what they mean - maybe the rule should be updated because I agree that politics should be discussed in a civil manner, and I don't just mean politics on women's rights (I'm sick of the stereotype that the only politics women care about is feminism, seems most scrotes have a bigger issue with it than me).
As for the topic of the thread, there are legitimate reasons to ban birth control (e.g. I will never take the pill because of how bad it is for my health, I will never have an implanon, nor will I use any other lab-produced chemicals to prevent reproduction). With that said, I have nothing against condoms (it's really no issue for me), and I read in a book that some indigenous cultures used a certain plant as a male contreceptive - I'd be interested in seeing a study on this and its validity, as well as whether it's healthy. Honestly, I'm with the first post, I don't really enjoy sex and can do without it. I also know that rape exists, so it's not always enough to just be abstinent. Of course, I think that these chemicals should not be banned, but warning labels should be put on the boxes, and women should be educated about the risks of female birth control as well as suitable alternatives. I believe that women should collectively boycott contraceptives until pharmaceutical companies research and sell safe alternatives, but it's extremely farfetched to think men would do anything to improve the quality of life for women.
Really what is needed is quality education. If you look at the birth rates in African countries, you'll see that the more young girls are educated, the lower birth rates go. The best angle that will please the most people is to advocate for improved public educational facilities - it will reduce the amount of casual sex/prostitution/unwanted pregnancies (conservatives are pleased), it will reduce recreational drug use (most people are pleased), it will reduce crime (almost everyone is pleased), and it will boost the economy. I know the cc rules say no conspiracy theories, but I think the reason America (I'm sorry to all nonas who live in the US) has such low educational standards is by design - it makes sense to keep you all dumb and useful, because really what your leaders want is a cushy life where they can palm off work onto slaves, as opposed to a strong and functioning economy where everyone pulls their weight.
But I want to have sex with hot men nona
Also if you let them take away your right they will never stop until you don't have any rights left
I cant argue the "sex with hot men" bc the very pro chastity for both men and women.
As for second part I cant give real insight either because Ill just say - women should be doing it themselves and not let men get anything. Hence the "stop having sex", which means for me "stop socializing with men", which means give men what they pretend to want : stop giving them any attention. Ignore them completely until you can get something from them as well.
sex is overrated unless it's someone you love and trust
but it will take some time for most women to figure that out after they've been conned by the faux feminist hookup culture meme
yeah you can fuck a hot guy and it will feel good in the moment but afterwards? you're still lonely and they'll probably want nothing to do with you
Having a single child is, by an order of magnitude relative to having two of them, the most environmentally friendly choice an average individual can make. Source: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541/meta
Of course, the problem is going to be so long lived that it will take several generations to both stabilise it and fix it, so unless we want to just give up we must make sure that we don't disappear as a species so that we can clean up the mess we've made.
A single child yes why not, nothing against that.
I was saying that being childless wasnt really the best option we had on a large scale. Not just for the environment btw.
But now how do you propose that for all countries and how do you apply that in a way men wont start killing their daughters then kidnap and rape the few women alive like its happening in china and india ?
Oh hell no.
There had better protests and riots over this.
Oh fuck that
I'm in DC and I'm ready to protest tomorrow over this bullshit
Idk what you mean anon. When talking about hot men I don't mean fuckboys, I mean they're hot both on the outside and the inside.
Ignoring the whole "when do you become a person or at the very least entity with some for of rights" side of things, as pro-choicers always do, this entire thread is hard evidence that the progressive left is dysgenic. At current population trends, something like 90% of the people born in the US will be to Mormon, Amish, Catholic, or Islamic parents by 2100. What happens to women's rights and the environment or whatever else everyone is talking about in this thread when the entire country is a religious extremist whose only exposure to women is via pornography or extremely annoying feminists on the internet?
>My mother was a well-off white Christian when she had a late miscarriage of a very much wanted pregnancy. She had a D&C at a facility that handles abortions, she was able to get treatment quickly from experienced providers, it was emotionally traumatic but she was physically unhurt and is still with us today.
>If our state's abortion ban had been in effect (we never repealed after Roe vs. Wade), I believe this happened late enough that she would have had to travel out of state, probably to California. At the time, my siblings and I were nine, seven, and four; arranging multiple days of childcare and inter-state travel on short notice would have been much, much more difficult than getting one of the other moms in my Girl Scout troop to watch us for the afternoon while she and Dad went to the clinic downtown. It would have taken days to arrange, more to actually happen.
>I don't know what the odds of sepsis in that situation are, but I'm just as glad we didn't have to find out. Once this goes through, people are going to find out. We are going to have our own Savita Halappanavar, and I hate that.
There's a reason conservatives are obsessed with pumping out babies. They want to fill the seats of political office with their ilk. They want to overwhelm and drown out all voices they hate; they want rule guaranteed by their majority.
Prepare to get teargassed by pigs.
The metro opens at 5am so I'll probably be there by 6-7am. Expecting a huge crowd, would love to post updates here but I'll probably get blocked due to posting from mobile. Also if anyone wants to meet up I'd be cool with that too but don't be surprised by how short I am lmao
I’m going to be lonely either way. The only reason to be against other women hooking up with chads is if you’re an incel.
For the record I'm phoneposting on Android, but put your safety first. Look up phone safety advice from the 2020 protests. Keeping it off is best, thumbprint/face id is next best.
you guys are fucking me up, relax, there's already a lot of people there
>I grew up in a right wing family and was raised to believe liberals were all about murdering babies. I didn't understand what the big deal was about just not aborting the baby and giving it up for adoption. I read a lot of pro-choice arguments that seemed to me very stupid.
>As time went on and I drifted leftwards I started to be more agnostic on the abortion issue. I moved out of the US to a country with a generally less insane attitude towards abortion so it rubbed off on me.
>I got married. We were on birth control for a while, but finally decided we were ready for a baby, so started trying to conceive, and I became pregnant with my now daughter, who is lovely.
>And I spent that pregnancy furious. I had been lied to. No one had told me the truth about pregnancy. I wanted that baby and I'm glad I had her but the actual reality of what pregnancy is, is hidden from women and even more so from men.
>As I vomited and the vomiting made me pee myself and I cleaned up my vomit and pee while fighting off another wave of vomit, I thought about how there are people out there who want rape victims to endure this against their will. Watching my body change was horrific (I know some people like it, but I'm not one of them), but at least I chose it, at least I wanted what came at the end of it, at least I had a supportive partner (and a country with decent maternity leave policies). The vomiting and acid reflux did permanent damage to my teeth. And although I did eventually get an epidural during my delivery, the time before the epidural arrive remains the worst pain I've ever had, like when they reset the bone of my leg but over and over and over.
>And - and this is the really important part - my pregnancy was a relatively easy one. What I hadn't known until I got pregnant was that until you have a baby women don't share their pregnancy horror stories. There's a taboo against it. Even afterwards there's still a taboo but not as strong and if you are honest about having hated pregnancy women will open up and share (it's a risk, there are people who respond super judgmentally). Pregnancy is nine months of suffering for a lot of people. Nine months is a fucking long time. Oh, and I haven't started to talk about the afterwards - for 1/3 of women major abdominal surgery, for most of the remainder vaginal tears, you lose a massive amount of fitness you have to slowly regain, and by the way, your hormones can cause you to go literally insane. My PPD was not subtle about it - there was a sane part of my mind left watching as the rest got submerged in crazy thoughts.
>And they'd like women to be forced to endure this. They'd like the threat of this to be hanging over women at all times. They want abusive men to be able to keep their wives constantly pregnant until they die.
Why would you make that face while taking a picture?
>In the United States, thirteen states — Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, and Wyoming have trigger laws that would automatically ban abortion in the first and second trimesters if the landmark case Roe v. Wade were overturned. Illinois formerly had a trigger law (enacted in 1975), but repealed it in 2017. Also, nine states — Alabama, Arizona, Michigan, West Virginia, and Wisconsin as well as the already mentioned Arkansas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Texas, still have their unenforced pre-Roe abortion bans on the law books. Those laws are not currently enforceable due to Roe, but could be enforced if Roe were overturned.
Just so nonas know what people are talking about when they start mentioning "trigger laws".
Pfffffft its not going to stop me. If god forbid I got pregnant, which is really unlikely, I'd take the abortion pills you can get online and NEVER tell my doctor about my pregnancy. I'd just take the pregnancy test, take the pill and be done af with it.
There are actually millions of ways to do this, but yes, they do work very well for most people.
Why in the fuck would they be so popular and used by clinics if they didn't work ?? There is the small chance that they won't but trust me you definitely know when they do, and there is more than one option of abortion pill
>you will live to see an entire generation of incels raised by single mothers
Humans are always going to have sex. Yes, specific individuals often make the choice not to have sex and that's normal in and of itself. But humans, on the whole, are going to keep fucking. Birth control, emmenagogues, and abortifacients have been used from time immemorial. Our Mesopotamian ancestors were sucking and fucking and using mud and shit as birth control and punching each other in the stomach to miscarry. Court decisions like this function not just to funnel women towards abstinence (which makes them easier to control) but also function to confuse basic human nature which, again, makes the female population easier to control.
>"Hold your nose and go vote," he said. "You have to decide which one of the two [Trump or Clinton] that you would trust to appoint justices that are going to protect our religious freedom as Christians."
– Rev. Franklin Graham
This quote from a conservative leader encapsulates just how well the U.S. right understand the importance of voting. A conservative president nominates conservative Supreme Court Justices. Clarence Thomas, the longest-serving Supreme Court Justice, was nominated by George Bush and has served for 30 years and 192 days. Yes, this court decision happened during a Democratic presidency. But Trump nominated not one, not two, but three conservative Justices during his term. The justices Trump nominated will be with us for decades to come.
If you actually believe that people who have sex would stop because they might have kids I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn that I'd love to show you. Also please stop making us femcels look bad. We don't have sour grapes like moids do.
>we hold all the positions of power and make all the laws
>but we are oppressed by women
>so let's ban birth control
>and demand women have sex with us right now or else rape
>also we're banning abortion
>if women listen to my sexual demands, they're sluts and deserve poor treatment
>if women do not listen to my sexual demands, they're demons and don't see my value and deserve poor treatment
>I must ensure my genetic line continues and have lots of kids
>it's women who are obsessed with having children
>they're all hateful and evil and stupid and don't deserve respect!
>but having a loving wife and caregiver for my children is my goal
>women were perfect and trad back in the day, but women have always been evil
>women are much more stupid than men and only exist to make children for me
>but raising the kids is the mother's job
>I'm a man, so I'll be working and drinking with the boys
>if my children don't turn out the way I want, it's the mother's fault
>beating my wife is fine if she doesn't meet my standards
>but if she doesn't show genuine love, care and affection while cooking all my meals and polishing my knob then something is wrong with her
>she should greet me like a dog at the door when I get home and fetch me my slippers regardless of my conduct
>I'm are smarter and stronger and more logical and more emotionally stable
>men are the ones killing each other and committing violent crimes
>also men have better discipline and self control
>which is why it's women's fault men do any of those things and they must be controlled
>any and all violent crime is because black people, gender does not play a role
>men never want to have sex with more than one woman ever and so never cheat
>it's women that are sex-crazed maniacs
>I am super perfect and blameless in every way and nothing bad is ever my fault
>women are evil and to be hated for all of the world's ills
>including this random person that women made me decide to start punching for no real reason
I think that reproducing should be treated as an important decision that both sides weigh in on as they both play a role, but giving moids full control over calling the shots when it comes to this sort of thing is ABSOLUTELY INSANE and anyone with an ounce of logic or pattern recognition could see it's a horrible idea.
>>132078>implying babies don't affect your mood and thoughts >>132130>>132131
Speak for yourself. I have sour grapes and sex havers can get fucked. Idgaf.
I grew up in a matriarchal family (rare as hell I know) so women were always expected to be the ones who became accomplished in life. My mom did not impose traditional gender roles on me. It's only after I became a teenager that I realized how terribly society treated women. So no I love my mom because without her I wouldn't be as outspoken as I am now
My body is still my choice, laws aside, so I choose to not have a child invade my womb when I don't want it by not having sex, simple as.
But my sympathies are with the pro-choice side. Maybe people who are too stupid to use birth control should not be allowed to reproduce. So leave it to the states, which is what probably will happen.
i dont care about sex but i care about people other than myself, also its control sex today and control something else tomorrow, no woman should let this slip
I think it would be nice if women were more willing to kill for their rights. What is a voice without teeth? I'm pretty sure if I ended up in a rape-baby situation and was told "deal with it" as a lawmaker implied, I would have a lot of trouble restraining myself from becoming a martyr.
how many people are there? how rowdy are the crowds? what are they doing besides holding signs?
There's at least five hundred people here, pro choice catholics, pro choice jews, media. Rep Van Hollen and Sen Blumenthal just spoke, and now there's an abortion recipient from Florida here talking about her difficulty receiving healthcare. A handful of pro life protestors blew horns but they gave up
The moids are starting to get louder but the police are holding them back
Can you post video files here?
Well webms with sound clearly work. I have no idea what the file size limit is, though.
how many are there??
is it the proud boys??
I can't figure out this webm shithttps://files.catbox.moe/dkc9t5.MOV
Don't know who is counter protesting but they came up behind us
Also there are two security guards next to the speakers, pretty sure they have concealed carry
WHY did I get rid of HBO max
Because things like this never showed in my recommendations feed~! How could they hide this from me!? I am obsessed with knowing why. >:T
Lemme know if this is good I'm dyin to know
Video works good by the way keep us updated
Cell service is shit
It's hot and humid now
Public speaking stopped but they will be back around 5
This nice lady said yes to a photo
Not sure why they're suddenly putting up barricades
They said it had to do with the women's march
I am a grad student so technically yes but it's flexible
thank you for keeping us updated nona
Everyone is sitting down waiting for 5pm when the women's march is supposed to start. The media is set up further away. I did see a CBS cameraman in front of me during the gathering earlier
Huge turnout and people keep coming
Again I'm sorry cell service is so shit
It takes fifteen minutes to upload a thirty second clip
Now they're chanting fuck joe biden because the first time he mentioned abortion in his presidency was today
I think you guys would like it here, there's a lot of angry woman energy
Keep up the good fight
Protest ended, nothing happens in this video besides you see signs and the crowd
Surprisingly the riskiest part of the protest wasn't the counterprotestors because they came at 3pm and left after 45 minutes. At one point the crowd was looking like astroworld, I barely had room to move and I'm shorter than most girls, and it was made worse by people crowding the front. A girl even fainted in front of me because she didn't have anything to drink. At least the police were quick to offer her help. I have more videos on my dslr but can't upload them now
The banning of Plan B is good because it in large part literally gives rise to trannydom. Exposure to elevated levels of biosimilar progestogenic compounds (some of which are 100x more powerful than actual progesterone mind you) is one of the leading causes of lasting gender dysphoria. Not to say some trannies aren't getting psyopped into it, but Plan B causes an immeasurable amount of harm to children, and I mean immeasurable in the quite literal sense. It could be part of the decreased testosterone levels in modern day males or the increased testosterone levels in modern day females, just on the whole. Fiddling around with our endocrine system is just too risky, and so Plan B should be Schedule II at the VERY least.
>>132401>protest for women's rights>women go>calm, no fighting>counter-protest gets bored and leave>police are friendly>chilling
Hmm I wonder why it didn't end up in disaster
so do you guys think the protesting will have any result on the ruling? can't wait to hear their stupid opinions by the psychotic men and coney barratt. i'm sure the dissenting opinions will be scathing
before, kavanaugh said he didn't want to address roe v. wade at all (shortly after he was appointed). nice about-face there, brett, you doughy, alcoholic bitch-faced fuck
No. Unfortunately conservatives are a histrionic bunch so I don't think this will ever stop being a motivator for them to vote. Kinda like how they constantly live in fear of losing their guns. Weird how they don't care about their right to privacy. I bet if someone told them they had to donate blood to someone they'd lose their shit about their rights being denied too.
No but I think the right will hemorrhage votes in the upcoming midterms and primaries after this. I think they really shot themselves in the legs with this, they're going to experience a ton of whiplash.
holy shit funniest misspelling i've seen in a while
nona it's choir
I really thought the left was going to collectively sit out the midterms as they always do, but this really does change everything. The mask is off.
nick is a self-hating gay man.
I don't understand, don't conservatives dislike minorities? Minorities commit far more abortions. It's the first cause of death for African Americans. Why would they want to have more minorities? Do they just not know this?
I studied theatre enough to not spell it "theater" but you will not convince me it's quire
doesn't read well
agreed. that's a big ask, ngl. "quire"? QUIRE? with a 'q' and no 'h'? i could MAYBE accept choire but quire is a fucking abomination.
This is a split between RWers online, secular ones recognise that and support abortion rights since they view it as eugenic, whereas trad religious types are applauding it for ethical reasons and don't really see the long-term effects you're describing, and the two factions hate each other on this issue lol.
Republicans think banning abortion makes them as great as Abraham Lincoln.
Idk I'm just repeating what they say to me I'm as confused as you.
probably not, lincoln was republican himself
Back in the day republicans acted more like democrats though, and vice versa. FDR basically flipped the parties philosophies when he brought America out of the great depression with the new deal. After him the republicans and democrats began acting more and more like they do today. The GOP really became what it is now during the 70s.
every alt rightist I've seen has hated lincoln with a passion. the only ones I've noticed that like lincon are the ones who say he would have deported all africans if he hadn't been killed
The democrats really aren't in that much power, with the passing of laws constantly being sabotaged. I'm constantly annoyed Biden doesn't act more like Obama with executive orders. He missed so many chances !!
Things often have to get worse before they get better though. People have been asleep for YEARS over this stuff.
There's your problem. The weirdos on /pol/ aren't representative of the typical republican voter.
This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about ! vvv
"If the Supreme Court Can Overturn Roe v. Wade, It Can Ban Interracial Marriage"
“The GOP is going to overturn Roe v. Wade, and that’s only the beginning.”
When I pitched a column with that headline last week to my editor, I didn’t anticipate we’d read an unprecedented leaked draft of a Supreme Court opinion that would explicitly overrule a woman’s right to abortion—something that’s been “settled precedent” for half a century.
Well, here we are now, thanks to a fully radicalized right-wing movement engaged in a zero-sum absolutist game to attain minority rule for white Christian men by any means necessary.
Next month, the Supreme Court will finally rule in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, regarding a Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy. A similar law was recently passed in Florida which was in part inspired by the Texas heartbeat bill that has spawned draconian copycat bills across the nation.
If the court upholds the law, and overturns Roe and Planned Parenthood vs. Casey, which affirmed that the state is prohibited from banning most abortions, the ruling will allow its right-wing majority to zero in on marriage equality and the use of contraceptives, which will be next on the chopping block.
By overturning Roe and Casey, America will join only three other backsliding democratic countries in the past 30 years to restrict a woman’s right to abortion. Meanwhile, 59 countries have expanded access.
The opinion of four men and Justice Amy Coney Barrett will lead to a likely prohibition on abortion in 26 states. In Texas, for example, a doctor could go to prison for life if they perform an
abortion on a woman who was raped by a family member.
In the leaked draft opinion, Justice Alito justifies his ruling by claiming abortion isn’t an unenumerated right, and “the Constitution makes no reference to abortion and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision.” Well, same-sex marriage and the right to contraception are also unenumerated rights. The draft opinion assures us that overturning Roe would have no such impact on these other rights. However, by the right-wing majority’s very own logic used to dismantle Roe, these unenumerated rights don’t have any protection. But, hey, moderate Republican Sen. Susan Collins trusts these justices, so we should too!
Unlike many of my colleagues in the media industry, I take Republicans at their word. Like helpful James Bond villains, they’ve been telling us the plot all along, but many refuse to take them literally and seriously. During the confirmation hearing of Justice-designate Ketanji Brown Jackson, Republican senators gave us a sneak preview of their ambitious goals to strip away our hard-earned rights.
Sen. John Cornyn attempted to make the case that Obergefell v. Hodges, which legalized gay marriage, was faulty and an “edict” of the Supreme Court. He has an ally in Justice Alito. In a controversial 2020 speech at the Federalist Society, Alito whined that straight, religious families are apparently the real victims of marriage equality because people like Alito can no longer say, “that marriage is a union between one man and one woman. Until very recently, that’s what the vast majority of Americans thought. Now it’s considered bigotry.”
Meanwhile, Sen. Marsha Blackburn openly said she opposed Griswold v. Connecticut, a landmark 1965 decision that granted the right to privacy and paved the way for Roe. Specifically, it allowed married couples the right to buy and use contraceptives without government restrictions. Sen. Blackburn, of course, believes the decision was “constitutionally unsound.” She is joined by Sen. Mike Braun, who went a step further and said he would even be open to overturning Loving v. Virginia—which legalized interracial marriages nationwide.
Braun, instead, wants to let the states decide the issue (because that has worked out so wonderfully in the past for Black people trying to live their lives without fear of violence, harassment, inequality, and discrimination).
I wonder how Justice Clarence Thomas, who is married to Ginni Thomas, a white woman, would vote if such a challenge to
Loving were brought before him? Maybe he’d take one for the team.
If all of this seems outlandish, well, so was the idea of Roe being overturned. Currently, we have Republicans banning books across the country, and passing laws designed to intimidate educators for teaching about diversity and “divisive” topics.
A grand undoing of civil rights by the right wing is now an all-too-possible reality, and we have to be prepared.
Melissa Murray, a legal scholar and professor of law at NYU, agrees with me that Republicans will most likely focus on gay marriage and contraception after they’re done hollowing out Roe. “Courts are the weapon of the minority,” Murray told me last week, before Justice Alito’s majority opinion was leaked. “Republicans are trying to do in court what they can’t do in majoritarian politics.”
Professor Murray said the dismantling of marriage equality could be a long-term project—by emphasizing First Amendment rights and religious freedoms to create religious accommodations and objections to same-sex marriage.
For example, the conservative majority in 2018 ruled in favor of a Colorado baker who refused to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple on the basis of a religious objection. Cases like this will allow the religious right to use the Supreme Court to chisel away at gay rights. “Once you narrow the space for same-sex couples to exercise their rights, once you normalize that they can’t expect equal treatment, then you’re on the road to normalizing different treatment,” Murray said, adding that it only takes about 10 to 20 years to entrench and mainstream such ideas.
“Republicans complain about liberal judicial activism, until they obtain power and use the Court to invalidate the will of the majority.”
Carlton Larson, a constitutional law professor from UC Davis King Hall School of Law, believes it’s possible that the Supreme Court could reverse Obergefell.
“This Supreme Court is being far more aggressive on a number of issues than I had expected. Two years ago I felt quite confident that Obergefell would not be reversed. Now it’s at least possible,” Larson said, adding that there’s some reason for hope. “On balance, I still think rather unlikely, given the huge number of marriages that have been entered into in reliance on Obergefell, and the lack of any obvious harm to society as a result.”
Still, Larson stresses that Obergefell was decided primarily as a substantive due process opinion, which allows courts to protect certain unenumerated fundamental rights from government interference.
If the conservative majority of the court is determined to undo the entire line of substantive due process cases as illegitimate, then it might not only be Obergefell, but also Griswold and Eisenstadt v. Baird (which gave unmarried people the right to possess contraception), up for reversal.
“I think reversing every single substantive due process case is a step too far even for this court, although there are probably a few justices who would be attracted by it,” Larson added, citing
Pierce v. Society of Sisters—which allowed parents the right to send their kids to private schools—a decision of which conservatives were (and are) in favor.
Unfortunately, there’s no need for Republicans to be logically or morally consistent to achieve their end game.
For example, Professor Murray says that executive privilege is not an enumerated right in the Constitution, but Republicans are fine with Trump exercising the privilege to escape accountability. There’s no mention of qualified immunity in the Constitution, but Republicans grant police officers all the qualified immunity they want to escape accountability for their abuses—often at the expense of Black communities.
Republicans are for national security, until they’re fine openly supporting a violent insurrection and a coup. Republicans are pro-free market and pro-corporate speech, unless a corporation like Disney pushes back against Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” bill, and then they’re perfectly fine using the government’s power to punish them. Republicans are the alleged defenders of free speech, unless, of course, that speech threatens them, then they’re fine banning books.
Republicans complain about liberal judicial activism, until they obtain power and use the court to invalidate the will of the majority.
When I talked to Professor Murray last week about the possibility of the majority losing all of these hard-earned rights, she was shocked that people weren’t taking the threat seriously. “No one is doing anything,” she lamented. “We are asleep at the wheel.”
It seems the leaked opinion finally got people’s attention. Crowds started gathering last night outside the Supreme Court demanding protection for women’s rights and upholding Roe v. Wade. Democratic Senators are openly calling to codify Roe into law by eliminating the filibuster. With almost 70 percent of the population against overturning Roe, Democrats have a galvanizing issue to mobilize their voters and even some independents.
Sometimes it has to get worse for things to get better. At the very least, it forces people to wake up.https://www.thedailybeast.com/if-the-supreme-court-can-overturn-roe-v-wade-it-can-ban-interracial-marriage?ref=scroll
"Republicans complain about liberal judicial activism, until they obtain power and use the Court to invalidate the will of the majority.”
Whenever I hear someone surprised by their hypocrisy, I'm in aghast. Why would you expect something else from a psychopath? They've basically taken the sides of rapists and ultra wealthy shits and you still don't see them in that light? How do you pretend for so long ?
Dang, first time in my life I read this. I never considered it that way… God damn
alt righters hate republicans and conservatives, they're closer to facist
abstinence is only a solution until men get pissed and decide to rape women to get what they want. I'm genuinely certain there's going to be an increase in sexual violence.
Every woman in a stand-your-ground state should get a glock. the moment a moid starts to get uppity, just shoot him.
Hell, even if you don't live in a stand-your-ground state, you can still shoot moids if you feel threatened enough.
There must be an immediate culling of violent horny moids
they might larp that they do but they will defend them at any chance.
Conservatives are from my interactions with them pretty concerned about privacy, especially technically inclined conservatives, of which there are a pretty penny among the new generation and overseas. Mental Outlaw isn't exactly conservative, but he draws in a lot of conservatives to his audience, and they're very concerned about privacy. I mean hell, look on Twitter right now, the Conservatives are pretty much all on board with freeze peach and Twitter transparency, and the biggest stink about Musks genuine policy proposals regarding privacy is coming from, well mostly sex workers, but the second largest vocal population is conservatives.
They don't have sympathy for weaker people. Or anyone who is affected by unusual circumstances in their life. They genuinely think homeless people and illegal immigrants are stealing their tax money and should die. In this situation they think that women should be forced to carry babies because they had premarital sex and that upsets their religion. So it'll teach them a lesson when they're on food stamps and working for minimum wage. And don't forget that they're also somehow the victim with their tax money not being spent on bombing the middle east or something. Don't get confused with all that nonsense.
I think their concern about privacy comes more from religious morals rather than a genuine care for women. Though, I don't see an issue with sharing a belief with conservatives.>>132611>They genuinely think […] illegal immigrants are stealing their tax money
They are. Illegals get free Medi-Cal here. Money is being taking out of my paycheck to pay for people who aren't supposed to be here. Not a conservative, but fuck them.
Enjoy having a child because brock turner came inside you and left you then
My country has banned abortions since forever and I don't think you guys even fathom how bad this will get. Poor women here have between 3 to 7 kids each, middle and upper class women with money are the only ones with access to illegal safe abortions.
So since poor women have so many children, poverty rates are through the roof, most of those kids are uneducated or have bad state education, so when combined those things create exorbitantly high crime rates. Violent crimes, murder, kidnapping, domestic violence, sexual and physical child abuse. All those are rampant and are almost exclusive committed by the poor majority who stays poor because they have a million kids from several baby daddies living in violent homes with no education. It's the cycle of poverty on steroids.
Also 7 out of 10 kids get sexually or physically abused since mom can't keep track of them all and dad is absent, so nearly all of them grow into traumatized adults with mental issues. It's really bad.
Needless to say it has also created a culture of "have babies so my man will support me and won't leave" for women and "it's ok to have a lot of kids and gfs, you can just leave if it's hard" for men.
I'm pro-choice fucking retard.
Oh but you don't want your tax money going toward illegal immigrants so it shouldn't pay for abortion clinics
I don't want my $ going to illegals. I'd be happy with my $ going to abortion clinics.
Too bad because we both know which one is going to be which this summer
How are those two things related? Why are you acting like that?
>“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”
>― Methodist Pastor David Barnhart
the thing about the people who want to ban access to birth control and abortion is that they have no pretenses that it will stop 1.) non-procreational sex 2.) abortions. in fact, the people who purport this ideology often do those very things themselves. this isn't about the hypocrisy among conservatives and religious fundamentalists, though. because hypocrisy can be elided as human error - we're all fallible. the truth is much more insidious than that. these people know how to control people and they know how to do it through the law.
NTA but she's right about the logic. Under bipartisanship, it doesn't matter if you agree with one thing or the other. If you vote for the republican party, you're voting against money going to either of those things, so what you personally believe is not relevant.
So people aren't allowed to have balanced/centrist opinions because… voting?
Mods just deleted the last few posts because politics is not allowed lol
But it's clear there is a diversity of beliefs here which is interesting
Immigrants are the main reason why wages in America are garbage. legal and illegal immigration is equally bad for us. For example, software development used to have great pay, but now it's shit. Every corporation in America relies on cheap H1B visa holders. Us with mountains of debt are trying to compete with people who will work for peanuts. You cannot be for workers and be for immigration at the same time. its contradictory
Moids keep losing
There's going to be another protest in four hours in front of the Supreme Court so I'll see if I can post more videos this time
THANK YOU. Exactly! Also lol @ that deleted anon saying that illegals do the jobs that Americans won't… who was doing those jobs before the massive influx of immigrants then? Kek
If you live in a place that is close to an abortion state you can get it there in case some dude cums inside. Even then I hope yall are not retarded and always make moids wear condoms or you take the pill.
Are you going to vote for Democrat tho? The tranny party? this is how they get you.
Americans need to start picking up Third Parties in mass.
Finally someone backs me up on this
Yep. and the whole reason why Americans aren't doing it is because the pay is garbage. And why is the pay garbage? because immigrants will do it for incredibly cheap.
It's a vicious cycle. If there were no immigrants to lower the standards, we could be pushing paid maternity leave, and longer maternity leave.
Why would corporations give American women paid maternity leave when we have millions of visa holders ready to take your position and work themselves to death?
This isn't just a workers issue. it's a women's issue.
Protest is a lot smaller today but it's also about to rain and it's a weekday. There's going to be more rallies throughout the week
>>132690>>132694>No one was
LOL, ok. I guess white farmers and white menial workers just… never existed. Keep making up your own history.
>>132715>he who hath no uterus should stfu
i'm physically sick and i don't even live in louisiana, those poor women
they are sick, they're going to prosecute so many innocent women who suffered a miscarriage
>The first clause in the Bill of Rights states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”
For the last time, stop bringing up Christfaggotry nonsense, it has nothing to do with US abortion law and is completely irrelevant to discussion.
Judge lest ye be judged, sperg-chan.
>You're the religious one, why aren't you sticking to your beliefs consistently?
im not gonna let you derail this LMAO
admit you lied and ill leave the thread
>Post the quotes from scripture then where it says you're going to hell if you abort a baby.
not relevent but >Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder.
here you go
>Christianity is a moid-centric death cult that's forced millions of women to die in childbirth. You have the opinions and woman hatred of a moid so the fact you're a woman means nothing.
wow that sucks too bad its not relevant to my issue with you. admit you lied about what the bible supports and ill go back to lurking >>132767
im not gaslighting or lying so ill be fine thanks. btw that passage is about hypocrisy and not judghing
Bitch Magazine went under, feminist blogs died off a long time ago… I dunno, this attack on abortion is also reminding me that I feel like places to have a robust discussion of how women are oppressed on the axis of gender and how other oppressions intersect with that just… don't exist anymore.
(I mean, to be fair, blogs in general are dead so a lot of sites to actually really discuss things are dead, I realize we're living in web 2.0 shitpost hell.)
I remember how wanky and heated the comment sections got at Feministe (even though I also miss that, lol) and I know Shakesville apparently turned into a culty shitshow and I remember all the fighting about racism – this stuff has never been easy or drama-free. But I feel like the discussion matters? So much of the framework of feminism we talk about now comes from those discussions.
I'm a millenial radfem and I know exactly what you mean. The trannification and pacification of feminist spaces is tragic and has effectively killed most of them off.
The cultural shift from 'hey a lot of men are kinda creepy and rapey let's be wary of them and look out for other girls and try to keep each other safe' to 'hey lets all become amateur pornstars and let creepy boomer moids buy our nudes for 5 dollars/let's all become christian tradwives to appease men and maybe that will make them nice to us, even though men still hate us more than ever. also don't say anything about trannies because we don't wanna make a scene' happened almost overnight and it's crazy.
I think another problem is social media made everyone so hyperinidividualistic that they were so wrapped in themselves and didn't even see this overturn coming. 2009-2015 era radical feminism was so comfy and was a huge online community: you really felt like women were supporting each other. Now most feminist spaces are completely moidcentric and full of yas kween sell your body for money shills.
Women's rights are women's rights, point blank. Volcels, femcels, women have sex with men, women who have sex with women, weirdo cavedweller women who have no concept of human sexuality. It effects all of us.
Literally nothing in the constitution remotely mentions abortion. Just because something is omitted from the constitution, not explicitly banned in thr constitution, doesn't mean its legal across the U.S. and "unconstitutional" to ban. The constitution literally means jack shit today anyways (both for Americans and the other 97 percent of the world not residing in America). Multiple parts of the constitution are violated and they get violated in different ways every day. Not that I can blame people for violating the constitution; we live in a different world now and what worked for society 200+ years ago doesn't work now with technology rapidly advancing and judeo-christian values society then was built around falling apart. The constitution, much like the Bible, is read by people and interpreted however they think it will benefit them today. They don't truely read or follow it, they pick and choose parts to follow and use it to find loopholes in rules to push their own agendas. Both have lost their original meanings and have become basically meaningless. We've outgrown them, they once served as a framework to build life around but now we have expanded beyond that.
No, I don't believe our rights should be infringed on. I am very strongly libertarian and seeing freedom restricted makes me madder than I have the energy for these days. I just get very annoyed when people keep talking about the constitution when it means basically nothing now, its an obsolete document. I don't believe our rights even come from the constitution (the constitution has no logical source for our rights, claiming erroneously that they are given to us from the God of an obsolete religion I don't follow because they were mad about paying their taxes), its just logically unhealthy at a core level for people to be ruled by another person, and when certain core rights become infringed on, most notably free speech, it invites an evil kind of fascism into the room that we've all seen to fail time and time again. Its inhumane.
tl;dr shut the fuck up about the constitution, brainlet
No it doesn't effect us all, if you don't have sex then you don't have sex lmao, that is just what retarded hetero sex-havers try to brainwash you to think so they can have more support to push their agendas.
>>132804>if you don't have sex then you don't have sex lmao
Hopefully you don't get raped then.
Lol the constitution is absolutely not obsolete and is the basis of Burger freedom. Try and take away the second amendment and watch half the country's moids chimp out.
Not everyone here is an asexual femcel ffs. That's an anomaly.
If you care about women at all you'll see why this ruling is terrifying.
Man… I'm so glad this place exists right now. All of the conversations about Roe vs. Wade on my timelines have turned to TIMs, how TIMs are effected by misogyny and we can't forget to include them when discussing the misogyny of this case, how we can help TIMs during this trying time. I'm not even as gender critical as most of you nonas (like, my instinct was to use trans women not TIMs, but I know that won't fly here). Still. It's very… exhausting.
If women aren't allowed to have abortions even in cases of rape but men are allowed to keep the 2nd amendment, then women should be allowed to shoot every male they feel might try to rape them. Causing chaos is the only answer to fascism.
I read in the news sometimes of rapey moids getting shot and it warms my heart. >>132840
Troons can help it. they're mentally ill, attention whoring rejects.
>>132841>women should be allowed to shoot every male they feel might try to rape them.
Yeah that sounds completely reasonable and a fair way to structure a society.
And forcing women to birth kids they don't want is totally reasonable and fair too. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
i don't think guns are a great idea, but i find it funny you're criticizing that anon's suggestion and not the overturning of rights to female autonomy. but yes, it's not a great way to structure a society, that's why the root cause of it (not making abortion accessible) is the actual issue.
Exactly. It's pretty funny to try and ban abortion even in rape cases but still allow guns, and expect women not to want to shoot guys who rape them and try to force them to carry a child to term. I'd rather be a murderer than get raped or have a kid I don't want.
I see my baby's fetus as it's body inside my own. What about you?
>>132910>my baby's fetus
This phrasing is confusing me
It's called hyperbole, ya dingus.
>>132804>If you think women should have basic reproductive rights you're probably uuuuuh heterosexual
There are monumental benefits to the advancement of society when women have access to birth control and, if birth control fails, abortion. Believe it or not, impoverished women in crime-stricken areas popping out unloved, uneducated babies is extremely beneficial to the people who would halt society's progress.
The grossly unethical adoption industry is slavering for the imminent end of Roe v Wade. The Alito/Barrett draft, in fact, refers to "the domestic supply of infants."https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR27TukUcAAAO27?format=png&name=small
Kathryn Joyce, author of The Child Catchers: Rescue, Trafficking, and the New Gospel of Adoption, has been reporting on the connection between anti-choice legislation/activism and the adoption industry for years, as well as how evangelicals pursue a strategy of "conversion to Christ by adoption." This article is from 2013:https://www.huffpost.com/entry/christian-adoption-movement-problems_b_3367223
Joyce's commentary from this week:https://twitter.com/kathrynajoyce/status/1522013904762773506https://www.salon.com/2022/05/03/adoption-makes-abortion-unnecessary-claims-the-right-thats-even-worse-than-it-sounds/
My favorite quote: >First, adoption is an industry driven by supply and demand, as unpalatable as those terms may sound when we're talking about human children. Second, the reflexive liberal retort to anti-abortion rhetoric — well, those right-wingers had better be ready to adopt all those extra babies! — badly misunderstands how this particular industry works.
#AdopteeTwitter has been discussing the SCOTUS leak and pointing out how it demonstrates that adoption is not an unqualified good. Here's a long tweetstream here about the sorry state of adoptee rights in the US:https://twitter.com/bekhenson/status/1521936107130310658
Adoptees have been speaking about this for decades! Adoptive parent legislators Bush(es), Abbott, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Donna Campbell etc. write adoption law & policy in THEIR favor while voting AGAINST adoptee rights along w/ The Gladney Center for Adoption.https://twitter.com/Kbela50/status/1522915043913912325
Why does this sound like the prelude to a story idea I have where the government just takes surplus unwanted orphan children for experimental bunkers under the earth. Also pedophiles. Is this all because of pedophiles? Is banning abortion just for pedophilia? I want to die.
The state of adoption laws in this country are about a lot of things, not limited to racism, classism, Dominion theology, and more. Evangelicals and fundies benefit from having a pool of disenfranchised, "lost" children to pick from, for a number of reasons.
That isn't to say pedophilia doesn't play a part of it, but there's no need to go full pizzagate when we have very concrete examples of why Republicans want to scoop up babies, in their own words. Remember that every Burgerlandia politician's voting record is public. Bills, laws, committee transcripts and such are out there for the public to read.
That being said, I don't need to tell you this is immensely beneficial to your David Koreshes, your Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, your Duggar families; your patriarchs who want 900 babies and just as many wives, where pedophilia is simply baked into the premise of a giant, dogmatic family living in a small space whilst spiritually separated from the outside world.
I hope this isn't going too off-topic, but you can read up on horrific adoption cases by ~*good Christian parents*~ that end in abuse and trauma and even death. Carri and Larry Williams already had seven biological children when they adopted Hana Grace-Rose Williams from Ethiopia. Not long after she died of hypothermia and malnutrition, after being beaten, starved, stripped, and spanked for several hours. Their adopted son, also from Ethiopia, testified at her trial.
SA to clarify, the abuse happened over several years.
More unwanted babies is a collective L for the entire society so yeah it affects you and everyone else.
That aside, I can't understand why abstaining from sex is such an impossible feat for so many people.
>>133010>why can't people just abstain from the basic human needs of intimacy and relationships
I feel like normally women would be able to abstain from sex but there's also the stigma of being 'prude' and the whole movement of sex work and whoring being empowering. I guess we currently have a society that really encourages and normalizes random hookups and 'needing' sex.
you realize it's normal to enjoy sex and have regular sex with your bf/husband right, and not everyone wants kids with their bf/husband either. women who are volcel for life are extremely rare and trying to say majority of women should become asexual is deluded.
>>132971>is banning abortion just for pedophilia
No. It's also for child sacrifice and cannibalism.
You don't understand. I have to have unprotected sex because… I just have to okay?!
I just lost my last bit of faith in humanity.
Yeah which is why I'm condemning hookup culture. The majority of women aren't asexual, I just don't think having sex is an individual need. You don't die without sex.
And condoms never break and birth control never fails.
>>133022>my mother was raped at the age of 11 but whoat aboud meahhh
You don't die without hugs or affection either but they're still a biologically ingrained desire in most healthy people.
And masterbation is infinitely better anyway. Infinitely infinitely. Sure there are some guys who can make you orgasm but I don't think id actually really want that irl. I don't want even the faintest fucking chance I could get pregnant. I would rather be dead than a mother.
But they are so draining and most socializing is a parade or a pagent that makes you deeply disgusted with yourself in some way.
Most of its tedious, and the kind of men, men bring you around are often gross af. How many times in my life have I HATED being around a guys slimy fucking friends??? How many times did I have to pretend like I like it? People are so revolting, especially when it's like getting to know someone's disgusting BIL.
I hate pretending to like people I irl just want to lob a fucking grenade at.. Having to pretend that I like most people??? It's such a burden it is so so so nauseating. I'm only blessed when I get the f out of there.
i am at a loss of words, this is the level of entitelment i usually see troons have
So we should all become kinky and dommy, and just make men tolerate it since we have to tolerate it from them.
We need a hero to stand up and ban sex instead.
hooooooooooooly shit. she just doesn't get it.
sa well, she probably does
get it. but inevitably folks like this have specific beliefs, whether these be religious beliefs or beliefs born of racebaiting divide-and-conquer propaganda, that lead them to these faulty conclusions.
this is what most men believe and want. it's why we, as women, need to wake the fuck up re: our class consciousness. we have the vote. USE YOUR FUCKING VOTE!
Oh no… what would we do if this complete waste of space hadn't been born.
Yes sadly, when I was looking up my family tree I saw that one of my great-great-great grandmothers (around 1810s) was only twelve years old. And the child she produced was a girl who went on to marry one of her cousins with the same last name. People don't understand the degree of child rape and incest that moids will inflict given no resistance, which is why it's so important to have reproductive rights
You are retarded. You can't get pregnant with hugs and affection, and sex isn't just hugging and snuggles. >>133022
This is disgusting. Is this a troon? Only a male could think this way about his mother.
>>133091>This is disgusting. Is this a troon? Only a male could think this way about his mother.
Sadly she is no troons, but a republican - which is just as bad.
>women who have sex deserve to suffer
how some of you sound itt. no different from the fundamentalists.
I feel sad for hetero women, but I'm worried they'll try to ban same-sex marriage after seeing what they're doing.
Promising to reverse Roe vs. Wade has been a wedge issue Republicans use to secure office for decades. If they successfully destroy women's rights in this country they'll need a new issue to focus on, and gay rights has long been a favorite. Right now the Republicans are mostly milking the trannyism panic, but that'll dry up sooner than later and gay rights will always be a surefire way to entice Black, Latino, and other traditionally Democratic voters into their fold.
they need more obedient expendable workers birthed by the poor. there are multiple reasons why abortion and anti BC sentiment is so heavily pushed by the right. mind you, peter thiel is a literal gay dude, so, how religious is this guy? probably not very in actuality. money is a main goal for many of them.
Men are getting too fucking stupid, is more accurate. I thought conservatives are normally against sex outside
of marriage. But this ban would only discourage sex within marriage and then probably have the side effect of increasing sex between people who aren't married or discouraging marriage.
These types do their damnedest to convince women that having fifteen babies is her destiny, and believe that marital rape doesn't exist. And they want the rest of the country to think like them. So. Trust me. They'll be making sure sex still happens in these marriages.
Also: They only obtain political gain from peeping in on certain people's sex lives. Liberal, college-educated caramel-skinned 20-somethings having safe, consensual hookups might be something they take potshots at but it's just a distraction. Popping out legions of white X-tian babies to fill the seats of congress and boards of big businesses is what it's about, and as mentioned in this thread—encouraging poor married couples to have more mouths to feed.
Abortion was a traditionally Catholic bugbear in the United States for the longest time. Keep in mind that Catholics have long been an othered group in Protestant America. It was a huge deal when the first Catholic, John F. Kennedy, became president. People treated Kennedy with the same conspiracies you would see about a Muslim or Jewish president today.
Before the 1970's, the average Protestant Republican wasn't overtly enraged over abortion. That isn't to say there weren't Protestant Republicans who were opposed to it, but it wasn't party platform.
>By 1965, most Americans, 77 percent, wanted abortion legalized 'where the health of the mother is in danger'
Keep in mind this was 1965, when 69% of Americans were Protestant. 70% of Americans said that religion was "very important" in their lives.
>In the late 1960s, a number of organizations were formed to mobilize opinion both against and for the legalization of abortion. In 1966, the National Conference of Catholic Bishops assigned Monsignor James T. McHugh to document efforts to reform abortion laws, and anti-abortion groups began forming in various states in 1967.
>In 1966 the National Conference of Catholic Bishops (NCCB) asked (then Rev.) James T. McHugh to begin observing trends in the reform of policy on abortion. At the time then Fr. McHugh was Director of the United States Catholic Conference (USCC) Family Life Bureau […] The NCCB asked Fr. McHugh during its annual conference in April 1967 to organize the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) [[probably the oldest and largest anti-abortion organization in the United States]]
>"The only reason that we have a pro-life movement in this country is because of the Catholic people and the Catholic Church", stated the Executive Director of NRLC James T. McHugh in 1973.
>Early abortion laws only allowed the procedure when the woman's life was in danger. At this time many Republicans and Democrats as well were for less strict abortion laws. Between 1974 and 1978, studies showed that political ideology had a very weak correlation with support for abortion rights. The correlation between political party identification and support for abortion rights was even weaker. Mary Louise Smith, the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee from 1974 to 1977, was pro-abortion rights.
>In 1976, Democrat presidential candidate Jimmy Carter and incumbent Republican President Gerald Ford held somewhat similar positions on abortion.
>During his presidency, Republican President Gerald R. Ford took a moderately conservative stance on abortion, despite First Lady Betty Ford's urges for him to take a liberal stance on the issue. After winning the primary, Ford stated he was also unconditionally anti-abortion and fully supported the Republican platform in 1976. Still, Ford later stated that he was pro-abortion rights after he had left office and Betty Ford was supportive of the decision made by the court in Roe v. Wade.
So, what changed?
Way to miss the point dingus. Sex and affection are both perfectly normal healthy human desires and urges and expressions of intimacy. Saying you should be happy living without either is unfair and denying biology.
Painting women as borderline asexual is misogynistic as fuck in itself. Almost all straight women experience a strong sex drive in the right context, particularly towards men they're extremely attracted to.
The reason women are stereotyped as having lower sex drives than men is because 90% of men are so damn ugly and most women end up married to unappealing betas that they had to settle for. Then society asks why so many women dont crave regular sex or can't orgasm. It's because most women are stuck in bed with a balding 45 year old man with a beer gut and bad breath who thinks two minutes of jackhammering is making love. No wonder so many women can't get horny with irl scrotes.
Its called the pedosmile and AI models can actually detect it.
I believe it. If there's one thing pedos hate it's adult women, and if there's one thing pedos love it's hordes of vulnerable orphaned children just waiting out there to groom and 'adopt'.
I'm honestly convinced these dudes just want more unwanted vulnerable children in the care system to molest, traffick, rape and exploit.
Ive actually had this same thought and made this argument before. Its likely true. If the shoe fits…
And yet people still don't care what happens to these children when they live in foster care, or come out of a drug addicted mother. They care so much when it's sensationalized in the most extreme ways but ignore the entire life of the child afterwards.
That is in no way even remotely comparable. Now you just sound like raging psychopath on a rampage because you don't get to hear what you want.
You cannot use a woman's body against her will period. It doesn't matter if it's a fetus or an egg, you can't force a woman to give you her kidney to save a life, just like you cant force her to donate blood.
There are tons of people dying all over the country because they need a kidney or a heart transplant, we don't criminalize people who refuse to donate lungs etc, without written consent, and we never will.
What in christ gives you the audacity to tell me a women's uterus is any different? We are not human incubators that become 18 year free slave laborers.
If someone doesn't have the means to raise the damn child, it's none of your fucking business. You cannot force them into something even worse than donating a kidney.
Hell, you couldn't even harvest a dead woman's organs without her prior written consent ! How are you doing to treat her uterus the same way?!
And anyway how the fuck do you intend to police mail in abortions genius? It will never work
What a shitty, reactionary analogy
I've seen convincing arguments that Republicans turned to abortion when they could no longer use segregation to secure the vote in the south.
Yep. The fetus trumps all. It's a sad state of affairs that they only show concern for the baby and mother so long as they can use them to get a thrill of validation.
When a fetus is still incubating the mother and fetus are symbiotic. Mothers and babies can "trade" cells during pregnancy. Fetal cells find their way through the placenta and into the mother's bloodstream. They will grow in her blood and organs, and even in her brain, for the rest of her life, making her a genetic chimera! This is called microchimerism.
Point is pregnancy isn't just carrying around a fetus for nine months then popping it out. It's a Big Damn Deal, something that changes your life forever. Saying that women shouldn't have a choice in it is absurd.
I don't think women are borderline asexual but I don't think hookup culture is normal, personally. I also don't think women should have to settle, I think it should be normalized that women are picky and only have sex with handsome, polite men that are worthy of marriage. It sounds uncommon because it probably is, most men don't deserve marriage or sex.
Yes. Especially in western countries currently wrought with porn addicted men, these men will not be good husbands/fathers and will just pass on their defective shitty genetics. In fact it's probably pretty dangerous to have kids these days unless you're planning on homeschooling them and really being an active participant in raising the kid.
can you guys move it to the pink pill thread or sumn
Great points, but they make me strongly reconsider who I'll have sex (and run the risk of pregnancy) with, rather than actually aborting, which sounds even more terrifying now. I'd hate to do that to myself, then further lie to myself that it's no big deal and turn bitter.
My goal isn't to convince anyone to abort when they don't want to (!!!). The thought of that being anyone's goal is bone-chilling. And completely at odds with reproductive rights.
The point isn't to pair people up in even numbers like it's a dating game. Some men literally do not deserve to reproduce. It's kind of evident when you see how many fathers decide to get addicted to porn and abandon their families for the coom; i.e trannies.
I would never get an abortion but that doesnt mean I want to stop other women from accessing them when they need one. Wtf is wrong with scrotes and pickme christians?
I honestly think only about 20-30% of men have a genuine paternal instinct. The rest want to coom and continue their lineage but have no interest in the caretaking or practical side of being a father.
I dont think monogamy is natural either and theres plenty of evidence for that. Cheating stats, coolidge effect, the fact women find more masculine men attractive when ovulating etc. People need to grow up and stop seeing consensual sex between two people, married, casual, or whatever, as a sinful or dirty activity, it screams that theyve only been exposed to it through porn or the lens of Abrahamic religion.
Also when I say monogamy I mean two people being genuinely, voluntarily, romantically and sexually loyal to each other until death. I do think most humans have a desire to pair up, be in relationships, don't want to be cheated on etc. But are humans programmed to be attracted to, sexually active with and in love with one person their entire life? I really don't think so, some probably, but most people struggle. Even for loyal and truly monogamous people, the thing that stops them acting on these urges is guilt or personal morality, not because they don't feel like doing it. This isn't even a modern phenomenon, people have been cheating and married men have been using whorehouses on the side since forever.
Sounds like men are the problem since they are the ones most likely to cheat and see prostitutes and bring back STDs to their poor wives
Men should be required to pay child support as soon as the egg is fertilized
Who is this? She looks familiar
Emotional and physical damages.
true, but also, a lot of women literally are receiving very little to nothing in relationships monetarily before becoming pregnant. women are rarely receiving enough to justify investing as much as they do into men in many cases.
Anon but paying for the womans dinner is literal abuse and a scam and a death sentence and the reason why men kill themselves
and no, not the study on flies.
I'm here again babes. Huge turnout. At least 17,000 people
you're at the protest? awesome, anon. this is great.
i assume (or hope) blue is an 11-year-old who has never taken a class on basic biology but kek
It's super chaotic around the Supreme Court and the police are forming a line between the marchers and the stationary protesters but I don't think it's needed. There's no pro life people here at all
word if men don't want to pay child support for every egg they possibly fertilized getting their dicks wet they should practice abstinence or get a vasectomy until they're financially ready to support a child
And to add, in general there's a whole bunch of cellular cross-over between mother and child during pregnancy. Their bodies are communicating with each other non-stop. Maternal cells train the child's immune system, for example.
>>133875>There's no pro life people here at all
Of course, it's in new york.
What? The Supreme Court? Do you have brain problems?
>>133063>wanting to be alive>entitlement
how can anyone be so entitled as to prefer their own existence over death!
if you found out your mother was raped when you were conceived, you should immediately commit suicide in her honor.
yeah, being born is something that changes your life forever, too…
So, if I understand correctly, because of the fact that the mother has lots of biological communication with the fetus, that means the fetus no longer has its own bodily autonomy, and the mother's body has eminent domain to decide whether the fetus, an entity having it's own unique DNA (albeit 50% of the mothers), is worth terminating all on her own accord. Where is the autonomy of the fetus!
How would a fetus be able to decide anything for itself, even if you gave it the choice??? If it's a bad time to raise a kid not much in your control can change that. What you're asking is ridiculous.
Fetus has no autonomy since he cannot survive outside the mother.
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It's actually not that new but still posting it here for anyone who needs to know
So we should execute people on life support?
It's none of your damn business either way. You cannot force a person to donate an organ to save another person's life.
You can't even harvest organs from the DEAD without written consent. What in the FUCK gives you the audacity to assume you can commandeer a uterus and then condemn a lady to 18 months of financial and parental slavery without their consent?? Were you an actual rapist parasite in your past life? You can't scrote!! Whether you like it or not I would take that abortion abortion pill or go to another state for one. Hell I'd fly to England to get an abortion!… and guess what! I would feel virtually nothing over it. So cry yourself to sleep over it I guess since you get so involved in other people's business?? Serves you right!
Seriously in the grand scheme of things.. No one cares and it's better for everyone involved to abort when the mother isn't ready to have kids. What in the fuck can YOU as another clueless entitled filthy degenerate moid know about needing to emotionally prepare for raising kids in the best circumstances?? You scrotes can't even wash your own asses correctly!!! You can't even take out the trash without being told!! Why in christ would I trust you with a decision like that !!!!????
You just try to push your low degenerate standards onto everyone else to have control over something you naturally shouldn't, spreading your genes. There's a reason women have wombs and men dont. You need to stay in you're own clueless fucking lane!
You don't care whether the mothers financially stable or emotionally invested, or whether she's even addicted to heroin while pregnant!
Its beyond obvious your kind don't care. They never have, we see right through you from the start. You can put away the act, like you have any humanity. You're just obsessed with spreading your shit genes.
The more a guy is open to a thing like abortion, and what happens to that child in the long run.. the less I see him as an entitled loser degenerate btw.
People literally get to decide when to pull the plug so yes you moron.
The coinjoined twin situation is not a good comparison since the body is shared. At no point is a baby in ownership of its hosts body
Since i was a good sport can you be a good sport and tell me if not providing a blood transfusion or donor kidney is murder?
This question isn't just for you but for anyone who wants to answer.
Do you believe there is a point in pregnancy before birth when a fetus has become a baby?
If so, after how many months/weeks?
The day the mother who has decided to give it life decides it to be.
The mother certainly gestates the life, but it's the father that sends a literal squirming thing (or millions) to occupy an otherwise inert egg.
By that logic you can argue it's the father that gives life to the mother. But in reality it's a team effort.
Now stop sidestepping my question with your generic rhetoric and answer me you b-word
Even if abortion was murder, which it isn't, murder isn't always wrong, so.
lmao exactly >muh murder
i can think of at least a couple of instances where murder is the best course of action. there is not universally wrong or right actions, it's all case by case.
also none of the pro-lifers actually care about life, it's all about controlling women lol notice how theyre alway crying about responsability, mature enough to have sex then mature enough to give birth and parent etc… and barely ever say anything about the philosophy of life. not that there's much to say, considering its a fetus lmaoooo
Who cares since in most of the FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES abortion is legal.
The only places it's illegal are shitty third world countries with overpopulation, tons of crime, and poverty.
Just more proof patriarchal belief systems aim for the dumpsterfire.
>>causing death and destruction on an incomparable scale in times of war is the same as extracting a bunch if unwanted cells
How do scrotes even justify this kind of logic ? living proof right here scrotes pull their logic out of their asses
They can't justify it because it isn't based in logic. Once you realize that misogyny is their motive, you realize it's futile to argue with them for hours on what constitutes a "human life."
but man is rational sex, woman emotions?? shoots a supermarket because yes
Don't you know anon? The sex that commits the overwhelming majority of all violent and sexual crime is le logical sex!
Abortion legality by country ! Because he doesn't believe it's most often only banned in third world countries.
I REALLY want to live in the United States of crime and poverty anon!
Its rich the “thats murder” crowd has no issue with children starving, dying due to lack of insulin (he even said this), in war, from police, etc. its only when the “person” is “murdered” before its even born that men take issue with.
you seen this carlin clip, anon? obligatorily posting because it really is just about being anti-woman
The funniest part was when he thought 8 week heartbeat laws were in the 3rd trimester
Lol the incel is exploding with rage having lost the argument in such an embarrassing fashion
Please dont shoot up a grocery store Mr “prolife”
>no ur the incel
Oh lawd he coming for the big Y supermarket
You joke he likely will. Incels become incredibly violent when embarrassed like this. Especially by women. Youd hope his “prolife” beliefs would keep him from going on a rampage but we all know he doesn’t actually have qualms with murder.
If the family decides to, yes. That's what we do now.
I live for that moment! Hahaha
What do you mean murder and rape is illogical??? What else am I supposed to do if I can't get laid?
At the last moment I heard voices. Not my own because my screams had died down, but the others making noise. The midwife’s voice kept asking, ‘Well, what are we going to do?’ And I heard Johann, my own husband, whose voice answered, ‘At least the child. Let’s at least save the child.’
Good Lord, good Lord. They were going to save the child, they were going to let me die. They were going to save the child whose fingers they can’t tell apart from its toes, but not me, even though I am here, flesh and blood, a whole feeling body. At that moment a strange power rose from within me, they’re going to kill me, and that power raised me up and decided to tear the pain out, even if it had to go through bone. And so I regained consciousness screaming, I returned to life with such force that everyone was startled, I got out of the bed and collapsed against the table, dug my nails into its wood and half-squatting started to squeeze the pain out. I refused to die. ‘You are not going to kill me!’ I shouted at Johann.
And bones broke and blood vessels were torn and finally the lifeless child fell onto the floor.
>>132021>could have saved abortion if you had spent your years sperging and protesting about it instead of troons>instead gets set back 50 years and continues falling to Saudi level rights >still spergs about troons instead of priorities
You reap what you sow. sad that a lot of normal women will now suffer because the path you took. Maybe reflect on how you’re hitting rock bottom?