The dog of peace Anonymous 171328
I hate pitbulls.
Truly the moids of dogs.
I hate pitbull owners and their delusions even more
agreed. they let their dogs get away with murder because "its not the dog its the owner' mentality. when its been shown time and tome again that pitbulls are violent animals with murder bred into them
>>171328>I just hope the baby died quickly
Say what? SAY FUCKING WHAT? Am I being baited?
sadly no. pitbull owners really think like this. They blame the victims constantly. Its always the victims never the animal and owners
whoever made that comment should be fed to a starved pitbull
I was raised in a neglectful household with a bunch of pitbulls. They'd fight constantly and would literally kill one another in the backyard, and maul neighbor's dogs when they escaped. I am just glad they never hurt myself or anyone else. At the time it seemed normal, but now I've realized owning these animals when you have children is a form of abuse.
i live near a dog park and i'm always kinda shocked by the amount of pits/other aggressive breeds that i see there when i'm walking by. idk if i'm just paranoid but if i had a dog i'd never take them to a dog park, too many people nowadays who don't train their huge violent dogs appropriately and let them off-leash around poor little dogs who wouldn't be able to defend themselves.
Do dog owners REALLY? They'll readily pity a bloodthirsty mutt instead of the child mauled to death??
I hate dogs but usually I am sympathetic about them being wild animals forced into domestication, but this is beyond retarded.
Imagine if we treated all murderers like this and just pitied all of them more than the victims themselves.
Dog owners are fucking freaks.
Black people in the inner city and trailer parks own incredibly violent and aggressive dogs, I guess because deep down they see it ad a reflection of their own personalities.
>inb4 banned because only hating on white people is acceptable
In reality its just a social class thing, poor people in shitty areas like aggressive dogs because of needing protection, and they can't afford real security.
>>173379> I guess because deep down they see it ad a reflection of their own personalities.
I actually think this is accurate and not much of an own or something. Pitbulls were bred for generations in violent contexts and were basically abused more than any other non-livestock or fur animal. They're known for their violence, but it's unclear whether they're violent because of environmental influences (shitty owners) or genetic ones. These are all things that are true of black people too - racists think they're inherently violent, normal people question if it's because of environmental factors and historical oppression, etc.
Also more straightforwardly as you've noted, if you're poor and live in the inner city you probably like them for protection.
Americans are retarded
pure, concentrated mental illness. Whenever someone says "unpopular opinion", I already clench my teeth to prepare for the cringe
This is true if you switch "white people" for moids. Notice how most moids don't like cats? They prefer dogs because they get off on controlling others. Cats can't be controlled. There is a reason why deviant women ("witches", "spinsters" etc.) have historically been associated with cats.
Pitbull owners are the TRAs of animal husbandry, that much is known.
you're not entirely wrong, but tbh i also don't like cats because i want a pet who reacts when i call their name at the very least. cats understand but they don't give a fuck (albeit the few ones with dog personalities). that's annoying whether you're a wannabe slave owner or not.
>>173448>cats with dog personalities
Cats can't have dog personalities, a cat's personality is its personality, unless it was raised by dogs from birth. You mean a sociable cat? That's just most cats.
Yeah I meant sociable cats. Never met one like that irl though.
cats with dog personalities are RNG
In my experience siamese cats are the closest to having dog personalities.
Did you guys know, if you ever run into a dog or shitbull mauling another animal or person, you can grab the hind legs, hold them up in the air, and they won't be able to attack as much? It's how you start breaking up a dog fight
The dog will have no way to pull and lunge because he'll have no control of his back legs.
This is objectively false. My boyfriend had a pitbull (not his) maul another dog outside his apartment and he grabbed it by the hind legs to try and get it to stop. It absolutely did not care. He kicked it in the balls too as hard as he could. Thing only stopped when some dude threw a rope around its neck and two people pulled from each side as hard as they could crushing the windpipe.
Pretty sure that's false. You can lift it up but it's mandible will still be attached to whatever it's trying to kill.
Only sure way to get a pitbull to stop attacking is to choke it out with a leash or other strong rope so it loses consciousness or dies. I've watched a lot of dog attack videos and I will never understand why people are so hesitant to harm an animal that's trying to kill someone.
Why do you need to project human social qualities to an animal kek
The fear of getting close to a dog thats attacking something without a weapon is intense. I watched the pitbull attack I described above and honestly no one knew what to do. One man ran to grab a gun but the rope was used before he got back.
Neither am I. Sometimes i have flash visions of my cat or a person getting attacked by a shitbull. Dunno why. But it always ends with me fantasizing about jamming a knife in its carotid artery
>>173773>implying basic social qualities are exclusive to humans>"to an animal"
*To a pet.
If it's going to be part of my family, I personally want it to be social and responsive. Having expectations is fine and it's not an evil male thing, just saiyan.
Holy shit they're so brave, based
I associate your average normalfag woman mostly with dogs.
The only reliable ways to stop a pitbull that's locked on are to use a breakstick, choke it to death, or to shoot it in the head. That's it, and choking can be hard because their necks are so muscular. You can kick them, beat them, spray water on them, taze them, pull and lift all you like, it doesn't matter. They'll keep on going and holding on because it's what they're bred to do. You have to break the clamp of the jaws and keep them open. I have NO idea why muzzles, carrying breaksticks at all times, and pre-ownership training are not required for pittbulls and mixes. You NEED some way to open your dog's jaws if something goes wrong.
perhaps stabbing them in the throat with a knife would suffice.
nonas, what the fuck should I do if I encounter a pit bull when out on a walk and the dog is not with an owner, not on a leash? just running around by itself and it begins to approach me?
thank you, but I do not own a pet. what about myself alone and walking?
The one time it happened to me, I threw my hands up into the air to make myself look as large as possible while staring it in eyes and swaying back and forth. Which worked, but if you can carry mace, you should also absolutely do that. And not puny mace either, you want that stuff to have stopping power and to be a gel so the wind doesn't blow it back into your face.
Stab it in the throat with a knife.
I was about ready to do just that, always have my knife with me.>>174152
that is kind of what I did but was gesturing with my knife and yelling at it to "get." it worked although it was dark as fuck and unknown if it was a pit bull.
it was in a nice neighborhood I have been walking for months and this was the first time anything like that has happened. just my luck but I did actually get lucky.
thank you to all nonas with advice.
and yes, I do carry pepper gel.
They are still human social qualities.
they dont flinch at that shit. id invest in something like halt spray which is formulated for dogs to be kept away.
never heard of before, thank you.
No, many non-human animals react to someone calling them.
Christ, creasing at the spelling of that comment fucking 'proberly'
Okay, dogs seem to be the only ones that want to fucking pin me down and lick me at even just accidental eye contact, though. Then when you push them off they just throw themselves back into you. Bred into actual retardation.
my cat does react to her name when I call it but that's because she actually likes me. cats can be really affectionate and responsive if you're not a dick (but most dog people are dicks).
they really are just like moids
Most accurate thing I've read all day. Sad.
That means my cat hates me probably ;_;
Look at the fool.p…
I cannot take the anti pitbull movement seriously for a number of reasons.
The first and foremost is that a lot of it started on reddit, which makes it the wrong position inherently.
The second is that a lot of the rhetoric sounds exactly like /pol/tard rhetoric, and given absolutely everything they believe is based on forged evidence (IE muh rich you know who are more violent than poor you know who, the fakest statistic ever spread around the internet) I see 0 reason to believe that a lot of it is fiction in this case too.
The third and most prominent one is that I can't find any arguments compelling that it's a problem of the dogs no matter how violent the breed, because dog owners as a whole, are just objectively getting dumber and more negligent.
When I was a kid you would find no shortage of well behaved animals running around leashless and coming back after maybe the 4th or 5th call if they were in a rowdy mood.
Now I see countless examples of barely sentient mongs treating their dogs like absolute shit, leaving them to pee on the floor in empty houses, letting them loose in the backyard alone when they're still puppies, and my new favorite, this one fat bitch who lives on my street who didn't even WALK her dog (which by the way, was a pitbull that never attacked anybody, it died of "cancer" supposedly), she just held it on a leash and let it walk around her lawn until it shat and went back inside. As a long time catlifer even I know how to own a dog better than most people who decide to.
*I see 0 reason to believe that a lot of it isn't fiction in this case too.
I hate Reddit too but it’s irresponsible to deny the damage the breed has done as whole to society with the deaths and maulings they’ve caused. When shelters are now almost no kill they label these pitbulls things like “lab mix” which can cause a lot of damage to people and shelters. When shelters will allow pitbulls that have bitten or killed people to be adopted out we have failed.
>>174804>When shelters will allow pitbulls that have bitten or killed people to be adopted out we have failed.
Gonna need that one cited.
>>174567>complains about reddit and /pol/ at same time
If that's a hard concept for you to wrap your head around, I can't help you.
ah yes, classic ad hominem and anecdotal evidence
totally erases the shit-ton of studies meant to explain why cats are unresponsive
how do i unread this>20 people asking to adopt it
there is no god
ah yes, another 'i fucking love science' person who's never heard of the anthropocentrized and value-laden nature of scientific inquiry into animal cognition and behaviour. You do realize scientists wrongly just straight up thought cats didn't understand their names because they didn't know how to interpret their behaviour, right? Scientists constantly underestimate the inner worlds of animals that don't communicate in human-like ways. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/cognition-animal/
Read up on philosophy of science before affording the entire enterprise the faith of a religious zealot
Agreed with all your reasons. I've also noticed a lot of brain-rotted moids and pickmes who post about wanting to beat and torture dogs in one breath, then go "O-Oh but only pitbulls uwu" the next when normal people say "wtf". They come off as disgusting and hateful. Pitbulls are just a convenient target. Too many psychopaths in that "community".
>>174360>hey, cats are not entirely domesticated so it is reasonable to not want them as pets. to each their own though>oh yeah ? well DOGS are retarded REEEEEE
lol. if cats make you so happy, why are you so disproportionately angry and insecure ? embarrassing
I got curious about this case because it horrified me, here's some further reading for anons: https://www.imediaethics.org/pit-bull-molested-and-attacked-toddler/view-all/
We obviously can't know for sure what happened, but I think it sounds suspicious, and there's seemingly no follow-up on this case aside from the initial claims. I haven't heard of dogs naturally initiating sexual intercourse with humans (and with how long people have owned dogs, including irresponsible pitbull owners, you'd think we'd hear more about this sort of thing in the news), but I have heard of many, many cases of adults sexually abusing children, and either lying about it, or having an enabling partner lie for them. Also, pedophilia often "clusters" with zoophilia and other paraphilias, when it comes to sexual depravity.
idk she might be. she's sore and moves goalposts tho
but there were witnesses. the neighbors helped the kid, i doubt they would lie about something like that.
I think she's saying the dog wasn't acting alone and that one or both parents were abusing the child.
I did some digging, there is one named witness, Daniel MacRae. https://web.archive.org/web/20090903065051/http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/pit_bull_case_going_to_grand_jury_090819
Pic related is from the comments on another article. No actual proof this claim is true (and almost all traces of this story seem to have been deleted), but would explain some things. Lockfort is known as a low-income area with violence and drug addicts. Daniel Macrae himself was charged for drug possession in 2007, the same year this story happened: https://www.lockportjournal.com/archives/blotter-police-reports-published-july-22/article_f39c438a-d7ef-56fe-83ce-9ac426c3d485.html
This same mother got in trouble with the police for child neglect/endangerment on different occasions. Her name is Shauniqua Rodriguez, and
the more I find on her, the shadier she seems.https://web.archive.org/web/20090903065051/http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/pit_bull_case_going_to_grand_jury_090819https://buffalonews.com/news/2-lockport-women-charged-with-child-endangerment/article_f06440e8-227b-5fbe-be1c-ac271cfd302b.htmlhttps://web.archive.org/web/20081004180551/http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/30450759.html
She was also charged in an act of gang violence on a woman in 2015: http://www.eastniagarapost.com/2015/05/third-woman-charged-in-alleged-gang.html
Drunk driving in 2019: https://www.lockportjournal.com/news/crime/lockport-woman-gets-probation-for-drunk-driving/article_f507143e-c359-538d-ba48-4949af2a0e05.html
And here she is again in 2020, charged with wire fraud: https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdny/pr/lockport-woman-sentenced-wire-fraud-charge-her-role-debt-collection-scheme
If the dog penetrated the child, especially naked
, there would most likely be claw marks on his body, either from the act itself or the struggle in helping him. This is going to sound fucked, but the one exception is if somebody had put socks on the dog specifically to avoid markings (and I only know this is done because of the threads on KiwiFarms about zoosadist groups producing/selling bestiality porn and doing just that). Honestly, there's no doubt in my mind that there was abuse going on in that house, and the mother (and whoever else may have been involved) seem to have gotten off scott free. People are twisted.
You're going off on a tangent. When I mentioned>the shit-ton of studies meant to explain why cats are unresponsive
I meant cats' aloofness being the subject of so many studies shows that it is a well accepted fact. I did not ascertain anything about their methods and conclusions. Most cats are unresponsive because that's how they're wired and blaming people for an animal's innate behaviour is shitty.
>>174894>"Getting your dogs to mate is not an easy thing," said a frustrated Wolf
My fucking sides.>>174921
That's good internet sleuthing. Thank you.
My personal opinion is that it could possibly happen, but I am deeply suspicious. I have seen dogs hump children while the child giggled because she didn't know what was going on, but that was a female dog asserting dominance. So say the boy doesn't know what's happening, he laughs as the dog humps him, but
Shit, hit post before I was finished. Gonna clarify that my parents bred dogs and I've worked on the vet field so that it doesn't come off like I'm a furry.
So say the dog humps him and the kid doesn't know what's happening, so he doesn't immediately get away. He just thinks the dog is playing. Upon the first penetration, it would hurt and so the kid would immediately move/run. And breeding dogs don't have good aim, the kids was struggling at all, the dog wouldn't be able to continue to penetrate. Second, dogs don't knot at the first hump. I've seen it happen as quickly as a minute, but usually it takes two to five minutes of sex before they knot.
Even if the kid was naked, even if he didn't immediately stop the dog from humping, this story just doesn't add up like the parents are claiming.
Ok so you posted a single relevant source that validates 50% of your claim, the other 50% being obvious exaggeration.
That's still 50% better than I expected but shut up, you're dumb.
>>174567>a lot of it started on reddit, which makes it the wrong position inherently.
Even if this were true (people have hated shitbulls long before reddit), this isn't an argument. Already off to a pathetic start.>a lot of the rhetoric sounds exactly like /pol/tard rhetoric, and given absolutely everything they believe is based on forged evidence
So what if it "sounds" like /pol/ rhetoric? Hate to break it to you, but a race of human beings and a dog BRED SPECIFICALLY TO MAIM AND KILL aren't the same thing. Maybe you're not so ~progressive~ for suggesting otherwise?>I can't find any arguments compelling that it's a problem of the dogs no matter how violent the breed, because dog owners as a whole, are just objectively getting dumber and more negligent.
Uh-huh, just ignore the statistics that show pitbulls are overwhelmingly the most deadly and violent dog breed. If it's ~le owner, not the breed!!!~ then why don't abused golden retrievers and labs maul and kill people by the hundreds every year? It couldn't be that… you know… pitbulls were specifically bred for that purpose, right?
You're a dumbass with no valid arguments.
>>176278>So what if it "sounds" like /pol/ rhetoric? Hate to break it to you, but a race of human beings
You could literally replace "[slurs]" with "pitbulls" in any /pol/tard platitude and you'll have word for word the rhetoric of the average pro-ban supporter.
OP literally started this thread calling pitbulls "the dog of peace">muh statistics
Because issues like this are more complicated and nuanced than "alarming initial number therefore, simple reactionary conclusion correct" but (again, exactly like poltards) the pro-ban crowd are anti-nuance. Pitbulls are also one of the dog breeds fastest increasing in popularity and there's a lot of reasons for that and those many reasons probably also play into why many of them fall into abandonment but that would just be dismissed or misrepresented by you.>le owner, not the breed
Yeah, I see zero reason not to believe this still. You're a loser.
Isn't this just an argument for more racism instead of less pitbull hate? Because I've seen unusual numbers of velvet hippos attack and maul compared to other dog breeds so no "you're being racist against dogs!" argument will ever convince me to not be wary around those poorly controlled murder machines.
I was going to actually engage with your strawman but I'll instead just appreciate the fact that what you said perfectly encapsulates your acritical mindedness.
It's good when you accept your limitations, it's a sign of self growth nona.
Shitbulls and Rotts are one of the reasons I still have a lingering fear of dogs. The country I come from has a notorious problem with homeless dogs that will sometimes even attack people because of how hungry they get. I almost got attacked by one there one winter and that gave me a fear of dogs for the longest time. I like cute breeds now but don't want to get anywhere near breeds like this.
Both of my cats come when called, or did, the older one usually sits and meows now since she has dementia.
I wish there wasn't such a push to have pitbulss adopted. That focus should be going towards cats, there's plenty of kitties that are old and sad and just need a home and somebody to love them. Cats are infinitely easier to take care of than dogs, there should be more emphasis put on cat adoption instead of this awful dog breed.
the dog vs cat argument is fucking stupid. Even the most destructive cat can't cause as much damage as the least destructive dog. Cat piss can really fuck your carpet up but that's it.
the anon defending pitbulls is hilarious. you're more than welcome to your wrong opinion, i'll keep having a whole face and happy home because i don't have a genetically defeated monster running around in it trying to chew through my walls.
Ownership of dangerous breeds should only be allowed to police officers for work purposes