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Anonymous 229454

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Anonymous 229467

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Anonymous 229468

Where was this and when did it start to take place?

Anonymous 229474

>>229468
Women Against Pornography (WAP) was a radical feminist activist group based out of New York City that was influential in the anti-pornography movement of the late 1970s and the 1980s.

Anonymous 229551

>>229454
How did we go from a point where "pornography degrades women" to "pornography and sex work are liberating, actually"

>>229511

what is your point

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>>229474
>Women Against Pornography (WAP)
>WAP
My fucking sides

Anonymous 229579

>>229553
Men have always profited from the suffering of women. Except now women are brainwashed to support this.

Anonymous 229584

Has anyone else here run into the issue that young women today believe you are evil and or oppressive if you say 'pornography is bad'?

Mostly, either people don't care, or they conflate pornography with sexuality and masturbation and think I am advocating for no sex/masturbation altogether, or they suppose I am religious.

Anonymous 229586

>>229584
no they hate you because its their source of income lol

Anonymous 229590

So, is whoring oppressive or liberating? I don't get it.

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>>229584
Porn? In my feminism?
It's more likely than you think

Anonymous 229614

>>229590
maybe lurk moar tradthot

Anonymous 229630

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Anonymous 229642

>>229590
Libfems will tell you yes. Radfems will tell you no.
The answer however, should be obvious if you stop to think about it for more than 10 seconds.

Anonymous 229643

>>229590
Selling your body and intimacy for the price of a happy meal to pathetic moids is the most liberating thing a barely adult woman can do.

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>>229468
This is one of the most unwritten parts of feminist history - it started when feminism began. The first wave of feminism was predicated on the principle that societal virtues (education, welfare, equality) was their greatest weapon against oppression. Oppression stemmed from vices of men, like alcoholism, prostitution, domestic violence, labour exploitation, which women and society suffered from. In fact, the main effect of first wave feminists on society were influential social reforms. Things like laws against pedophilia, raising the age of consent, child labor, social welfare were all led by feminists. For example the Contagious Diseases Act, which de facto legalised prostitution and put the crime on women, was fought successfully by feminists at the time. For some reason, history is being rewritten that the only thing first wave feminists did was get voting rights.

But maybe this was to fit the history of second wave feminism. Feminism became Liberal feminism. On paper it's described as being against the male dominated, patriarchal system, but IMO the whole thing was infiltrated by moids to turn women against each other. Things like Playboy sold being scantily clad for men as "empowering" to millions of young women (BTW they turned out to be sex dungeons and women were routinely drugged and raped there). A lot of things like these were sold as feminist because they were going against what women were expected to do. Playboy's founder repeatedly claimed he was a feminist. Fundamentally you could say its because instead of principles, feminism became reactionary to what was expected of it.

Anonymous 229645

>>229642
>being anti porn is radfem
>the radical political ideology that having your body, intimacy and privacy commercialised for moids to jerk off too is not in the interest of women

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Anonymous 229944

What do you think likelihood of the social tide turning against porn is at this point?
Obviously I hate it and so do most women I know but the sex positivity campaign also seems to have gained pretty massive support. Sexpests like Hasan are fighting tooth and nail to make all antiporn advocates look like prudish Jesus freaks and he is massively popular. You also have onlyfans shills working round the clock to make it seem like a better way to receive an income.
It kind of seems like we aren't even part of the conversation at times.

Anonymous 229945

>>229944
yea OF is very bad for the movement. of course every moid will support it because they are pornsick. and I notice OF is presented as an alternative to the the classic porn industry so immediately its cast in a good light.

But its still pornography, does no favors for beauty standards

Anonymous 229987

>>229944
>What do you think likelihood of the social tide turning against porn is at this point?
I think it's pretty much bound to happen, but unfortunately not in a good way. Things will keep getting worse and worse until it reaches a supercritical point at which extreme right wing reactionaries will take control during widespread violence and chaos.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Anonymous 230057

>>229987
Meh. I highly doubt it.
The right wing in america, especially the theocratic side of it, is largely a joke.

Anonymous 230195

I think a lot of people are against it, but the most vocal people are for it. A lot of men at my work are against the relatively new trend of young girls wanting to be on onlyfans when they turn 18. When the issue was raised, not a single male was happy with the fact; on the other hand, two women believed it was empowering ("if they want to do it, who are we to stop them?").

The difficulty is in explaining to people how it is inherently violent - most people roll their eyes at the idea because they can't immediately see how it's violent, and they're too lazy to try. Money is an abstraction from reality. It was created by kings and emperors so that they could spread their armies further (money is easier to carry than food, which rots). It was not created to facilitate trade (Adam Smith is a retarded bastard). Self-governed communities became peasant slums which were taxed yearly - i.e. some portion of all their food had to go to the king because… money? (also if you don't accept the soldiers' money you die lol). Over time, wealthy merchants became lords, and lords became crapitalists. Soon enough, fertile land was replaced with concrete - they've destroyed your land, and now you have to work for them if you want food. If they have no work, and you have no land, but you still need food, where do you go? You sell yourself of course. Prostitution and slavery was a natural consequence; with your soil completely ruined (by external forces) and no one else hiring (because there are too many people as is), you're forced to become a thief or sell yourself. It's not what humans are meant to do, it's not what we naturally want to do, but with communities broken and our reliance on them traded with a reliance on cold hard cash, there's no other option but death.

Most people argue that it's "empowering"; in reality, what is empowering is getting to explore and create and be a human being, not being a slab of meat, a dancing monkey, or stressed to make more money. We've now gotten to a point where very wealthy men are starting to "normalize" prostitution and the porn-industry. These same men had to first spend the 1900s really drilling into people the notion that money is truly a great thing, that it is somehow part of being human. The modern era thus takes it as objective fact that money is the answer to life, and through popular culture (rap music, movies, tv), social media, and casual propaganda, whoring yourself has become empowering. Nothing I create, nothing I say, nothing I do will ever be as valued (in the eyes of society) as showing the world my tits. I reject the narrative, because I know I'm right and society is wrong.

Anonymous 230483

People will never meaningfully be against things which they find pleasurable. It was proven so with alcohol, and now so with drugs being increasingly legalized. I then think of the Netherlands and have to question if it's just a culture thing, given the open drug use and literal red light districts. Not that I agree or disagree, but I don't know what you'd meaningfully do about the observation. Not to sound depressive, but I'm often of the opinion things are too big or powerful to do anything about. Is erotic literature the same thing as performative erotic audio or even just video pornography or picture sets? I have no answers.

Anonymous 230499

>>230483
>People will never meaningfully be against things which they find pleasurable.

It depends how you define "pleasure". The general masses will always be cajoled into seeking instant gratification; it's extremely profitable (e.g. fast food, porn, alcohol, drugs, sugar, video-games, five-second videos, gambling). There are some people who don't find these things "pleasurable"; they have either been burnt by the negative side of an addiction, or they find pleasure in more sustainable activities (e.g. studying, creative hobbies, and exercise/sport).

>I don't know what you'd meaningfully do about the observation.


No one does nona, this is what philosophers have argued over for millenia. If we force people not to engage in self-destructive practices (by banning substances), then they aren't really free and they won't truly be in control of their own happiness. On the other hand, if people are given the freedom to make the 'right' choice, ultimately many will not, especially if advertising and propaganda warps their perception of right and wrong. One could go so far as to say that if there is only one correct path, are we really ever free at all, or are we sentenced to always be a slave to either reason or passion?

>Is erotic literature the same thing as performative erotic audio or even just video pornography or picture sets


Surely not. The former requires some level of imagination, the latter is being spoonfed grotesque images. Reading is ostensibly 'healthier' than watching a recording, the former is processed as quickly as your brain allows it, the latter enters even after you've stopped comprehending every detail (it's not such a crackpot theory to say that tv is brainwashing). Ideally masturbation should just be imagination alone, but at least erotica is not harmful to others and it doesn't pose any great psychological harm, to my knowledge (I haven't heard of anyone being addicted to erotica, but I'm open to being proven wrong).

Anonymous 230509

>>230499
>I haven't heard of anyone being addicted to erotica
Wattpad addiction is real and I suspect it plays a role in the TIF pipeline.

Anonymous 230525

>>230195
your historiography is utter nonsense and that's not where money comes from. poor reasoning built on lies. money predates barter.

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Anonymous 230978

>>230525
>money predates barter
yeah but not mutual exchange, stop being stupid

Anonymous 230984

Porn created a generation of boys who don't know how to treat women properly. They just see a sex object to fulfil their fetishes learned from porn.

Anonymous 230990

Porn addiction leads to self destructive behaviors in men. Unhealthy fetishes, pedophilia and inability to have normal relationships. While women are degraded and reduced to sex objects. Only to be tossed and discarded by men afterwards.

Anonymous 231006

I believe ASMR is probably more damaging. At least porn drives people to potentially make kids. ASMR removes any possibility of people forming intimate bonds.

Anonymous 231008

I didn't care too much about it until I came across this speech. The only thing I don't agree with is her final statement where she does a 360 and seems to claim that humans have free will and can easily choose whether or not to consume it. That's obviously untrue. I think it should be banned. There was also this really good video by this girl who did onlyfans and regretted it, her photos were posted all over the internet and she struggled to find other work, it's actually gross how this shit is glorified as 'exploiting men' when the only one who suffers is women.

Anonymous 231009

>>231006
I have never been able to take ASMR seriously, it seems like a more niche part of the internet to me. Whereas porn is literally everywhere.

Anonymous 231014

>>231011
Most of the women in the early days of porn were byproducts of men coercing and manipulating them into the industry. The mass exposure of porn in today's society normalized a culture of promiscuity. Creating the "whores" you seem to blame for everything. If porn didn't exist we wouldn't have a culture that trivializes sex, objectifies women and promotes unhealthy relationships.

Anonymous 231017

>>231015
stop watching it

Anonymous 231018

>>231015
Porn has had a negative effect on society. Banning it would help undo the damage done by it. At the very least it would make it harder for kids to access it. At 12 years old a boy is already consuming porn on the regular. Imagine what effect that has on how they treat women growing up? We get boys who see women as nothing more than sex objects. While thinking they're entitled to sex because they saw it in porn. All the while women are exposed to a culture that puts whores on a pedestal. With music promoting a hyper sexualized culture of promiscuity. The worst part is women are expected to do the degrading things men see in porn.

Anonymous 231021

>>231009
I feel that a community which gets potentially hundreds of millions of views a month is hardly niche. Not only the views, but retention of specific creators. I'd be more concerned with any potential other half of mine consuming ASMR than porn. Maybe because ASMR is new by comparison, but that's my take.

Anonymous 231022

>>231006
you sound like a pornsick scrote. asmr is dumb but virtually harmless, its just a bunch of sounds that make some people sleepy.
porn causes a whole lot of problems socially and individually and its a sick industry.
also why is driving people to have kids a good thing in itself, and also are you aware it does literally the opposite anyways. lmfao

Anonymous 231023

>>231022
No, it's literally not even remotely just stuff that "make some people sleepy". There's the whole other side of girlfriend / boyfriend roleplays where people replace intimacy for the illusion of it, many creators of which also do explicit porn audios, and that I'm not defending. Just because I recognize that one of these things is potentially more damaging does not mean I'm defending the other, but everytime I bring this up no one ever wants to address it. Someone who wants sex will often subsequent with porn when they can't get it until they can get it, whereas someone who tries to do that with love can hurt their entire perspective of what a relationship is by either being emotionally demanding, fragile, or otherwise abusive. To address your last point, kids are good because humans are good. It's one thing to say you may not want kids or are not in a position for them, but I'm not a nihilist like evidently you are. Taking such a hardline antinatalist position is extremely dark. I know the world has problems, but it's not the fault of children.

Anonymous 231024

>>231023
>subsequent
substitute*
Mobile.

Anonymous 231026

>>231023
Still feel like porn does more damage. Since it's addictive to young men and more wide spread. It even rewires the male brain and warps their views on sex. Porn addiction has also lead to self destructive tendencies. While girlfriend ASMR role play can be easily fixed with social interaction. Porn addiction can result in harmful behavior towards others and oneself.

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The only thing in your post I disagree with is that ASMR is potentially worse specifically because it leads to complete isolation. I've seen documentaries where people in prison are asked about their previous porn consumption, and invariably they all started tame but got worse. How much of that porn consumption do you think though was kicked off by other more ingrained antisocial behavior? ASMR can potentially truly allow a person to disengage for social needs. Total dehumanization of other people.

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Anonymous 231030

>>231023
i'm not an antinatalist lol, not being a starry eyed "oh having kids is the best thing that can happen to one's life and humanity!" isn't being an antinatalist, and being an antinatalist isn't being necessarily nihilistic either.
i'm just not attributing good or bad qualities to something as mundane and personal as having children. having children just is, it's neither good or bad. but thinking porn isn't that bad just because it makes people want to make children (which again, it literally doesn't) seems like a concerning stance to have

Anonymous 231032

>>231030
>but thinking porn isn't that bad just because it makes people want to make children (which again, it literally doesn't) seems like a concerning stance to have
Horny people fuck, fucking people bond, bonding people have relationships, but yes, ultimately, it's all for the sake of people reproducing. Without people there's no making things better. I agree it's not inherently good or bad, but it does have to be, and as people become more and more isolated it's ceasing to. Romance and love and magic are dying, and it's killing humanity. All around the world populations are crashing and it's not because people don't want intimacy, it's because people are lonely, scared, without hope.

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>>231027
ASMR feels interchangeable with any other substitute for the relationship experience. Like romance novels, dating sim games or just an imaginary girlfriend. Even pets or inanimate objects could be a substitute for human companionship. It's mostly a byproduct of social isolation. I don't think ASMR is causing the social isolation itself. I think it's just a symptom of an atomized disconnected society.

Anonymous 231034

>>231033
I hope you're right, because I no solution to give what to do about it. I understand people use things to cope, but after a point it seems like self harm.

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Anonymous 231036

>>231034
Go to church

Anonymous 231072

of course the porn defendant was a scrote lmfao

Anonymous 231178

>>231036
Ew fuck you and your disgusting pedophile infested church. Burn it to the ground more like.

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>>231035
this kind of """humour""" sucks

Anonymous 232103

>>229553
(((Men)))

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Anonymous 232127

>>230195
What the fuck did I just read?

Anonymous 232563

Worrying about ASMR is like worrying about movies.

I.E. people watch movies instead of living the things themselves. Where is the society coming to.

Anonymous 232565

you could compare asmr girlfriend with watching a romantic comedy. or reading a romantic book

Anonymous 232571

the difference between asmr girlfriend, romantic movies, romantic books and pornography is in what they teach

asmr girlfriend, romantic movies, romantic books don't objectify women

pornography does

Anonymous 232572

I listen to "French boyfriend kisses you in bed" ASMR and I am not ashamed of it

Anonymous 232598

>>229454
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Anonymous 235745

>>229945
OF is worse bc it "democratizes" it. it's worse to sell yourself than to consume porn, although both are wrong

Anonymous 235746

>>230195
money has always existed but
>>230525
is a bad criticism.

>>230195
is basically rehashing Marx's theory of commodity fetishism. Basically in the pre-modern world money was subservient to structures of domination, now it works to obscure them. I.e: in the feudal world everyone knew who the lord and master was and addressed them as such. But bourgeois ideology mystifies this. We are all "equal democratic citizens" even though one of us is a servant who has to whore her body out in the most violent and degrading exposure of herself and the other is a trust fund kid who won't ever have to work a day in his life.

Anonymous 235749

>>232127
idk nona I should've read over it before hitting post

>>230525
It was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Eve and the cash register. The snake bartered with Eve; her soul for a bite of the forbidden fruit. But go off love…

[I'm being facetious because you should avoid correcting people if you don't understand what you're talking about.]

Anonymous 235862

>>235745
OF isn't worse, but better when porn is inevitable. You're just an emotional moid who is mad that there's no direct "pimp" providing and trafficking those women or you're an insecure woman that cares what moids think. You sound like you spend too much time on Democrat Twitter, I don't know if you realize this, but those people are minority. Most scrotes all over the world hate OF more than anything, now there's this trend among them to be anti-OF, they basically unironically say that a woman having OF is an equivalent of a rapist.

Anonymous 235878

>>235874
Not sure if pornsick moid or lesbian with impending bed death

Anonymous 235880

>>235878
lmao my thoughts exactly

Anonymous 235884

>>230195
Money is simply a means of exchange. No kings necessary.
People have used things like nails as money because they were valuable.

Anonymous 235893

>>229630
boooooooh. Tho, serious question, why ?

Anonymous 236044

>>236039
i think they were imagining a more elon musk 40k clone sex anti-woman world for incel perspective… obviously….

Anonymous 236071

>>235862
>OF isn't worse, but better when porn is inevitable
It's better and it's worse.
It doesn't eliminate pimps for everyone. They still exist in the form of "managers" and "partner programs" and other grifts.

Anonymous 236076

>>235893
I don't think she has a political answer I think she's just horny.

Anonymous 236079

>>236071
True, saw that shit. What I'm saying is, scrotes would ruin your life even if you just posted drawings on OnlyFans because they don't know that it's another Patreon-like site and they're neurotic, they think that whatever makes them emotional and mad is literal Satan. Ultimately, it's only moids who want to paidrape or watch degraded women that should be punished and all those pimps.

Anonymous 236141

Nah. Porn keeps men docile.

Anonymous 236142

I don't think pornography is inherently harmful to women, as it's just another form of sex work. In a vacuum, there's nothing inherently harmful about trading in sex or fantasy for money. There is no moral hazard to pornography.

But like all things, it's impossible to decouple it from the world we live in; cishetero patriarchal capitalism. We are allowed to trade our bodies not for our own sake, but for someone else's. And increasingly we're expected to. I've been asked if I have an onlyfans, because someone felt entitled to being able to purchase my body. And I know that even for those that do, there are still moids who will find ways to get access without paying.

Anonymous 236238

>>236141
I think it does more of the opposite. Because they get pornsick they can't form healthy relationships with women or have healthy normal sexuality. There is always a slippery slope with porn and it does lead to IRL actions.
Just look at the average tranny, they're porn sick freaks who want to bimbofy themselves or use transgenderism as a gateway to get into women's roles and spaces and abuse women and children.

Anonymous 236242

>>236142
In a vacuum, there is no trading for money. In a vacuum, separated from crapitalism, people just form relationships and your word becomes the currency.
I've eaten more of my parents' food than I could ever repay them for and I have no intent of ever paying them for it. People do things for you and you do things for people. Money distracts people from reality and creates a meaningless contest out of trying to exist.
I don't think pornography would exist without money. People would form relationships and there would be no other currency.

Anonymous 236243

>>236238
Scrotes can't have healthy relationships.

Anonymous 236258

>>236242
Porn would be the third most valuable currency after real sex and bullets if money didn't exist

Anonymous 236799

>>236242
I don't really think I can believe that. People are libidinal, even if we like to pretend we're not. I don't think that underlying libidinal desires that create a demand for pornography will vanish once money is taken out of the picture.



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