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>>261829
for the same reasons moids like lesbian porn i guess.

Real moids are mean, smelly, and disappointing. When they're characters in a story, they don't interact with you so their flaws don't offend you as much as irl.

bc it's written by women for women using pretty boys as dolls for a story/romance that women are interested in, and real gay men are men who like men and couldn't give less of a shit about women.

it's not like lesbian porn, that's a completely different psychological thing for men. women use yaoi to explore romance and sexuality from a detached standpoint. I think a lot of teen girls and women with sexual trauma/inexperience gravitate toward yaoi because it feels safer.

the yaoi game Sweet Pool is an excellent example of this- body horror about the horrors of going through puberty as a woman but with men instead. most Nitro+Chiral games are like this- horror romances written from a total female perspective about the struggles of being a woman, but using a male main character in order to allow the creator/players to distance themselves from it and engage with it.

I think all of these "mlm" TIFs are just a greater symptom of this issue where women realize that all of the romance they were raised on is just women's content for women all along, but they end up searching in the wrong space for a desperate hit of that fantasy. honestly I believe women are probably in love more with other women than men by proxy due to how much we all seem to yearn for a type of romance men are incapable of providing, but women know how to write.

totally different from how men use porn, it's carnal and impersonal for them while women just yearn for a soulmate situation.

>>261829
You're kinda tedious and probably repressed ngl

>>261842
Interesting insight, I never got into it but I was always curious about the attention this genre was getting.I guess I got aware of it's existence way too late in life.

I have question though, is it ever considered these may be written by moids (gay or otherwise)?
I have no knowledge whether it is true or not for this genre, but for classic romcoms, there are definitely some made by moids.

Cute unrelated pic I found I don't know where.

>>261852
>>261849
I can see it, maybe a stretch and some bullshitting,
she likes yaoi because she likes same sex romance, and relates with the themes off taboo usually displayed within these stories
but hates irl homos because it's "too real", so she can't enjoy it the same way she can the 2D ones, plays into the repressed homo thing.

Because real fags are annoying and oddly obsessed with women and femininity and boobs and vaginas; not to mention their annoying "YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS KWEEN" slang. Yaoi offers the homoeroticism of real albeit straight boys while also providing the passionate, emotional, or even taboo sexual elements of idealized homosexual male fucking. No poop on the dick or AIDS.

Why do I like APH America so much when I can't stand IRL burgerfagland

>>261849
>>261852
>>261872
You all take it so personally and over analyze it through bitching and moaning

Aren't you just mad we tainted your precious idea of mascunity?

Isn't that why you can't look away and get drawn into these discussions?

Sometimes you just have to accept heteronormativity isn't a rule of law

>>261848
Lesbians aren't attracted to males.

>>261829
>meanwhile moids watching "seinen"

Reason?
I think they're psychological trannies.

What BL do nonas watch? I've enjoyed 'Umibe no Etrange' (.gif related) and 'Sasaki to Miyano'.

Cause unlike irl moids these characters are nice, cute and won't hurt you
>>261829
It's fun. That's it.

>>261984
Because that's probably the only way a male can be in touch with their feelings. Idk sometimes I feel like Yaoi it's hardly about sex and horniness, and because of that I don't believe that yaoi equals fetishizing gay men. Characters are far from being realistic gay men, it's male characters acting and thinking as romance-obsessed women, just like the ones who write fics and draw gay comics.
A pattern that's usual in fics is the concept of "the one" which is completely opposite to what gay guys believe in, having multiple partners and all that.
Of course there's also girls who are into "problematic" dead dove kind of yaoi but that's another kind of conversation and I can't really have a formed opinion on them.

>>261842
> a type of romance men are incapable of providing, but women know how to write.
Could you elaborate on this? Surely you are not implying that you can only have decent romance with another woman.

This is probably not the usual reasoning, but it's easier to imagine the dominant male as an androgynous woman than to find that dynamic in het content without being pornified for the (internalised) male gaze.

>>262018
What dynamic do you mean?

>>262020
Male being dominated and abused?

Real humans are gross and men especially, though I treat two fictional guys hooking up the same as any other two characters. Looking at other people, I do know of at least one person that's into BL because she can enjoy male relationships that involve romance in a safe way through it, and without a woman in it to accidentally project onto, which would put herself too much into it. Maybe you or someone else in here is the same? I dunno.

>>262073
Or you just find heteronormativity revolting and enjoy femdom

>>262018
This is big reason for me. But I also just don't find femdom believable the same way as BL. On some level I feel like biology prevents women from truly dominating a man sexually, so BL is hotter.

>>262017
yes

>>261859
The ones written by men are always disgusting as fuck with gross fetish shit everywhere and retarded body proportions

>>262288
You need to stop loathing yourself or grow the f up anon. The tradthot stank eminatimg from this post reeks in here.

>>262307
I mean have you seem femdom? It always appeals to the male gaze - why the fuck would some dominatrix wear super uncomfortable boots and fishnets and shit? Oh yea because a moid likes it

>>262574
Are you capable of not projecting your bullshit onto others for a picosecond? A woman can enjoy being sexually intimidating and expressing it through outfits. The fact that male gaze exist doesn't mean that femdom should not have a visual aspect to it. For example: The boots aren't there to merely appeal to the male gaze, they also make the woman taller and more intimidating, which is fundamentally tied to the core idea behind femdom. A lot of femdom play directly involves reflection upon the male gaze through explicit decision to not show them parts of the body they want to see the most or outright covering their eyes. If you want to deprive someone of something at the emotional level, you have to give them a little taste of it first.
Ultimately, it's an act that involves both sexes and you'll have to consider the desires of both sides, even pathetic masochists, before you partake in it, otherwise it's not a kink, it's sexual abuse.

>>262582
Thats not sex at all then, but a cope

>>262584
How is it "not sex"? I mean, obviously, femdom doesn't have to involve piv at all, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it's not what you mean.

>>262574
If it's to satisfy the male gaze then why are so many men enraged by it and the thought of femdom? Could it be you're just one of those angry scrotes obsessed with male domination during sex? Is that why all your posts on here go on at length about cocksucking and submission ?

>>262583
All i read was how a moid copes with femdom and yaoi in this post.

Scrote nobody thinks like this, you're just angry no one will touch you at night and you haven't been laid In years

>>261827
I don't know it seems kind of sick to fetishize other people's relationships that aren't your own.
Why would homosexual moids want to appeal to your senses when they're interested in what other homosexual moids want?
Imagine having your relationship fetishized by outside observers, you might even try not to act out the way I'm which they're interested in the two of you to make them go away.
Seems kinda pervy to project fantasy onto people irl.

>>261842
>totally different from how men use porn, it's carnal and impersonal for them while women just yearn for a soulmate situation.
I think men and women start at different ends of the track.
Where women want a soulmate, it become carnal
Men want caramel, and become attached over time.
This isn't true of everyone, but it's clear that men and women have different motivations that drive them but there is overlap.

>>262678
irl faggots are extremely annoying and have stupid voices

>>262679
Bu-But…I like caramel too…

>>262682
don't click this

For me it's the taboo nature of the relationship. Feels more Romeo and Juliet than Romeo and Juliet.

>>261827
Because yaoi/BL is written by heterosexual women for heterosexual women. It wouldn't be popular if it didn't pander to the specific tastes of that demographic.

>>261842
>horror romances written from a total female perspective about the struggles of being a woman
This is some bullshit. What 'woman's struggle' do Akira or Aoba have?

>>262678
yaoi fans don't obsess over irl gay relationships, as >>262680 said, real fags are gross, off-putting, annoying personalities, and have the dumbest voices imaginable. not to mention they support trannies.

>>263035
the ones who aren't like that (very rare) are depressing because they tend to be loney and enraged at their position

>>262678
Pfft so men get to obsessover lesbians but we don't get to have our things? Stop being a hypocrite and grow the f up.

Women don't look at real gay men they read books and consume le yaoi media that panders to their tastes exclusively. It's not real and were VERY happy w that.

>>263087
I'd like to add that the yaoi/bl scene is almost exclusively female and with almost 0 moid intervention. Even fudanshis tend to stay in their lanes and don't pollute the space as much compared to other fandoms/interests where moids usually take over pretty fast.

Lmao at women thinking fujos are as bad as sex obsessed coomer moids, your pickme is radiating.
Girls are at worst cringe but the cringe of coomers is several light years ahead

>>263032
>This is some bullshit. What 'woman's struggle' do Akira or Aoba have?

Well, in both of their cases they are one wrong decision away from being raped violently by either complete strangers or men who they knew and trusted. I don't really think men regardless of their sexuality live in constant fear/awareness of sexual assault like women do.

Aoba experiences being abducted and sex trafficked. Akira is definitely a more masculine protagonist but he still suffers a great deal of sexual violence being turned on him in a battle royale situation surrounded by predatory men who have one thing in mind for him.

Don't tell me these are scenarios that would play out the same if Akira and Aoba were written by men for men.

Also, Towa in their latest title Slow Damage is a man who seeks out casual sex as a method of self-harm by intentionally picking men who will abuse him. Not to mention that he suffers from disordered eating. He is NOT male coded.

You could EASILY replace all of Nitro+Chiral's male protagonists with women and you would simultaneously not be able to tell the difference AND be significantly more horrified by the implications of each of their situations.

All of the "uke" men in yaoi fill the same slot whether you'd like to admit it or not: they are characters meant for self-insertion by the female reader/player/viewer.

>>263280
>All of the "uke" men in yaoi are characters meant for self-insertion by the female reader/player/viewer.
Says you. I insert as the seme.

>>263281
I can insert as both. But let's be clear I hate the hetero dynamic and all things heteronormative. I absolutely hate masculinity the way it is imposed on us and the world. It is totally limited and just leads to 1 dimensional sex and entitlement.

>>263280
>Well, in both of their cases they are one wrong decision away from being raped violently by either complete strangers or men who they knew and trusted.
Because gay rape is such a foreign concept to men? Are you calling the reality of being a gay moid 'woman's struggle'? Stop being retarded.

>Don't tell me these are scenarios that would play out the same if Akira and Aoba were written by men for men.
Of course they wouldn't because most moids find gay sex and gay rape disgusting, rather than hot - the very purpose of including gay rape in a VN in the first place would be nullified.

>You could EASILY replace all of Nitro+Chiral's male protagonists with women and you would simultaneously not be able to tell the difference AND be significantly more horrified by the implications of each of their situations.
Delusional. A female Akira wouldn't make the slightest sense in the story (join the battlefield only to get beaten, raped and cannibalised? there are no female Igra players for a reason) and would come off as a low-IQ exceptional individual. A female Aoba would have quit Rhyme after a couple of days due to harassment and her grandmother would not allow her to hang out with random dudes or in bars.

>All of the "uke" men in yaoi fill the same slot whether you'd like to admit it or not: they are characters meant for self-insertion by the female reader/player/viewer.
Imagine my shock seeing this retarded take in 2024.

>male coded.
You're a troll. Fuck off.

>>263332

I'm sorry my analysis hurt your fujoshi sentiments so hard. I hope you're able to take a chill pill in the future regarding gay anime media takes that you disagree with. Cringeworthy.

>>263349
Masculinity imposed on us the way it is is a scourge and a plague.
Live laugh lucifer <3

>>263281
any recommendations for good seme insert bl?

>>263349
What analysis? Some shit takes straight from Anime Feminist? Don't embarrass yourself.

>>263281
doesn't the act of inserting make you the seme by definintion?

>>263332
Why are you so hostile? You realize you just answered your own question with the VNs main characters starting off without being sexualized or under scrutiny, unlike women. The thing is, men usually only get sexualized in certain conditions or situations (for example, when no woman is around, men go with other men), instead women are sexualized from the get go.

Do people actually self insert as the uke and seme? I never did this while reading yaoi

>>263990

Yeah that's weird. I only read for the twink railing.

>>263990
I also don't self insert and it's weird to me that's the most common assumption about fujos. I'm just a shipperfag.

>>263990
I vaguely self-inserted as the seme because I looked at yaoi to see males in submissive roles in a female PoV kind of way.
I am a yumejoshi now and I greatly prefer yumejoshi content but I especially just love straight female PoV content, regardless of sex position.

>>262680
malebrain tranny spotted

How are we defining yaoi here? The traditional definition of sparkly anime boys drawn by women for women? Or fictional gay men in general?

>>265840
mtf or ftm

>>265840
Ok faghag

>>263149
I believe younger gay men have attachment to Yaoi and it feathers away and they move onto content that is much more self-insert. Which is why so little men are still part of it, except maybe those who wish to relive a life they never had or wish they had. Or perhaps why you wanna keep being young forever. Hence why you see now such a giant influx of furries these days because well, if you don't enjoy your own appearance and have body dysmorphia; who's to say you can't be your favorite imaginary, cartoon character

>>265849
>by women for women
this option chief

Real homos are swishy and bitchy
The cute anime homos are aidsless and kawaii and won't quote that horrendous drag show

>>261827
Because yaoi features mostly underaged characters and you're a pedophile.

>>268687
Go back to lolcow pakichan

>>268663
lmao

yeah all gays are annoying af, why none of them learnt to be like yaoi despite anime and japan getting mainstream is a cultural L.

>>268758
Do you think Japanese homosexuals are like yaoi characters?

>>268758
you might actually be retarded

>>268783
they absolutely are not