So what's your beef with lolcow farm?
Nothing but respect for MY autistic auntie.
It's primarily an eceleb gossip site which is a topic I don't care for and there are better general discussion threads here.
I don't have a cow with lolcow.farm. I was banned there like a year and a half ago so I migrated over here once I learned this was a community. I still go there for the gossip, and I like how its /g/ and /ot/ are active and have more variety in conversation than here (however, that could be because we don't have as many users).
I like both sites, but I don't understand why most farmers hate CC.
Is it because we have migrants from /r9k/ and other imageboards here?
Went there once and noped the heck out after seeing a series of miserable topics and the general atmosphere.
>>26485>they think we're men larping (or at least the majority of us)>they think we think we're better because we don't go on gossip boards therefore uwu i'm better!~~~ (not true i am sure)>i've said ppl say we're prudes because the nsfw board here is slow
and the list goes on and on.
honestly i'm sure that many ppl here still go on lc. i avoid it because i think the place is really messy now compared to how it used to be in 2016
>>26490>they think we're men larping (or at least the majority of us)
I've seen this said in a few different places, it's ridiculous to think someone would be that bored. I've only seen a few posts that have caught my eye as being a man playing pretend.
CC users accusing other CC users as larpers.
I like that the onomatopoeia of stabbing is thot
Whenever I visit lc it feels like picking a booger, gross, but somehow satisfying. There's so much nitpicking, immaturity, and insecurity going on, I can't be bothered to engage, so I just lurk.
I used to be a farmer, but ultimately grew out of it. The place bothers me now, it's so depressing to visit. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but I found crystal cafe because of it and I like it here.
Tbh I don't think most people here have a beef with lc. There are some users that are very vocal against it but I'm sure it's because they were blocked or kicked out ( ex-farmhands, ex-mods etc) for fucking up . So they talk shit out of resentment.
bitches in that dumpster nitpick at the stoopidest shit (at-least for art youtubers which is the only community I am interested in)
check this threadhttps://lolcow.farm/snow/res/556178.html
bitches whining about the color of a sprite or some shit
it gives my inner cyber detective something to do. i dig up a lot of content that would be otherwise hard to find because i get intrigued. i don't care a lot about the people posted though.
people can be needlessly rude/stupid over there
other than that it's fine
Same, I just don't really give a shit about any of the cows. Sometimes I visit /ot/ but they are so needlessly aggressive, just look at some of the posts in the unpopular opinion threads. I prefer CC's more welcoming atmosphere, lolcow would probably call here a hugbox but I think users are still called out when they are completely in the wrong.
Sometimes I feel like someone who here is so nice and kind and friendly here would crosspost over to lc and say very mean things. As it’s made apparent many people here post there.
The very same person driven to do different things. Sad! But this gives me inspiration. I WILL be the nicest lc poster ever in the off topic boards and I will shower other posts with kindness!
It’s getting easier to spot cowposters here than men. Rude try hard pops up for no reason? Cow.
There's an unnecessary amount of vitriol and anger coming from the posters, otherwise I don't really have any opinions on it
I still go on there regularly but the atmosphere kind of puts me in a defensive and depressed mood. A lot of the posters there seem perpetually irate and don’t actually feel like having intelligent discussion, but it’s a gossip site so what should I expect?
Does anyone remember 2016 lolcow? Around the time where Ember Whann and Kadeecow were still popular? Before lc became “”radfem”” and boards like /cream/ and /manure/ still existed? I feel like the userbase has completely shifted since then.
Mods are so ban-happy, sometimes I genuinely have no idea what exactly I did wrong, when others write similar things without any consequences. They seem extremely biased. This week a pic of a beheaded woman stayed up for nearly 2(!) days - but in the meantime anons were banned for other, minor offences. The mods were called out in meta multiple times, but didn't do anything. Today I check again and this is how they respond: see pic
I have to admit that I post on lc daily and it's very easy to get sucked into trying to appear "tough".
I'm ESL and before finding lc I had no idea what things like "nasolabial folds" even are, they defintely shaped my view on how I see myself very negatively. But it's also kind of addictive. If you don't have anybody irl it's easy to just go there.
Being on cc does make me feel better (minus the obvious male larpers posting overly cutesy shit, this is creepy af. I always fear that I'm responding or opening up to some creep), but it's just sooo slow.
Also, there are way too many anas on both boards, which honestly really does "trigger" me… Talking about EDs is fine of course, but being overly nitpicky and advise or even try to push others to also follow your >1000cal diet is a no-go.
Let's see how it changes once there's a new admin. I started visiting because of Kota and all the other gaijin in Japan, but it's no longer what it once was.
Samefag, but since I noticed just now that people adressed the larping thing above, I wanted to add something:
Firstly, unrelated but>>26488
/b/ and /feels/ are also unorganized. Everybody is just making their own little thread for every tiny unimportant thing and then they die after less than 10 posts. That's so annoying. Is there a way to change that?
And secondly>>26493>I like that the onomatopoeia of stabbing is thot>stoopidest>Sad! But this gives me inspiration. I WILL be the nicest lc poster ever in the off topic boards and I will shower other posts with kindness!>Before lc became “”radfem””
These are just some of the things that simply sound suspicious. Stabbing is thot (hot?), typing uwu style, being overly affectionate and accusing lc of being radfem just comes across as either weird, creepy or downright male. It's what men imagine their perfect idea of a nerdy, anime-loving girl to be: Perverted, but also cute and always overly sweet to others (e.g. those anime internet hug gifs/pics) and of course being against evil feminists.
Just look at the "How to be more feminine"-thread: instead of giving real, good and useful advice, people wrote ponytails are bad, wearing pigtails will make you look more girly. Normal adult women can't wear pigtails! That just sounds super fetishy…
Thot is slang that means "that ho over there," it has nothing to do with hotness… I didn't get any male vibes from that post but if you think someone is a man just report their posts and mods can check post history to see if they're consistently posting stuff that looks like a man wrote it (trolling, only posting politics, being tone deaf and dickish to people who are venting) and their posts will get deleted if they look sufficiently manish.
>>26479>Why don't you spend your free time making yourself feel miserable?
Why so paranoid? I've known girls irl who would act overly affectionate at times, or type uwu style in some silly fashion.
>(e.g. those anime internet hug gifs/pics)
What about the banners? Is the whole site a larp fest then down from the very top?
But that "how to be more feminine" thread was one of the few times I've felt there were larpers.
I must also add that the girls who did that irl were weebs or had anime/manga as a hobby at least. Which is probable people like that are here since this is an imageboard.
It's hard for me to tell the difference between men larping as cute anime girls and real girls who are awkward and possibly on the autism spectrum that emulate cute anime girl behavior. But I didn't really get man vibes from that thread, I got more of the sense it was well intentioned but not very good advice from awkward girls who are still trying to figure those things out themselves. (And I love all the cute anime banners and aesthetics here myself lol.)
The one thing I wish CC wouldn't do is adopt /r9k/ memes like tendies and pretty princesses. I get that it can be funny but this isn't /r9k/ and people really shouldn't be trying to emulate such a misogynistic place anyways. It attracts attention from robots too.
I can tell you right now that the only reason I'm not diagnosed as autistic is because I'm too old (exact words).
Used to be really concerned that I'd get kicked out in -5 seconds, but it really is fine. The mods know their own.
I could understand if people here thought I give off weird vibes, though.
I remeber those days. I started using lolcow that year and stopped when the original admin left. Then I came back and thought "hey this new girl isn't that bad". Now I don't know who's in charge but everything's different, there are people complaining about using slurs and the ana-chan threads are obvious self-posting. Not even the Aly threads are good anymore…
Still go on it regularly but it's honestly such a shitshow that I hardly post now. I'm a bit sad to hear they're looking for a new admin already and they always looking for farmhands but I guess very few people want to actually bother with the site anymore.
I check snow and will look at /ot/ but the atmosphere in it just gets worse and worse. /g/ is slow and not very fun to read anymore either. /pt/ isn't interesting anymore. Who knows, maybe whoever the new admin will be will be able to pick the site back off the ground but the userbase is so shit now and the atmoshpere has changed so much that current admin probably has really slim pickings so I don't have much hope.
>>26516>>Before lc became 'radfem'
Yessss. Lc used to be good now its getting overrun by them. I made a similar comment on the unpopular thread I think and someone was like "Are you trying to say having men here made it better!!!1111" I didn't specifically say that but around the time where men was 'accepted' it wasn't garbage LOL so I guess that question pretty much answers itself. People always complain about girls not having their own websites but when we do they all turn out the same (hopefully cc doesn't end up like that though.. I like you girls.)
I started using lolcow that year too. There's also constant racebaiting now. So much annoying behavior that would've probably been condemned on the old lc.
>Not even the Aly threads are good anymore…
Wow, I almost forgot about her. She used to be on the front page of /snow/ like every day a couple years ago. None of the cows there now interest me much anymore besides a select few.>>26550
The "unpopular opinion" thread should just be changed to the "infighting" thread lmao. And agreed, the man-hate thread is a cringy radfem circlejerk as well. When the first one popped up, I actually thought it was just an inside joke/troll thread to deter the wave of robots that had been "raiding" lc at that time.
And if you offer any dissenting opinion, you will get called a "male poster" or be accused of being a robot.
I still regularly go on lolcow but I've never been interested in the gossip there (except for like 2 youtubers). I enjoy a lot of the discussions and threads but yeah there's also a lot of hostility and an overall bad vibe surrounding a lot of the site. You can just tell so many users on there are angry and depressed for no reason, they get in the most stupidest fights imaginable. The unpopular opinions thread is a key example of this, someone always has to derail the convo with talks about race that's been brought up a million times before. The man heating thread is so fucking cringe too lol, I can barely even glance at a few posts from that thread. So like any discussion site you'll get a ton of stupidity but there's some nice stuff every once in a while.
This. Why do we have to copy so many things that /r9k/ does? We can do better then that.
I wish I was better at drawing so I could make something new. Even if it's bad, at least it's not the same stuff we see in other places all the time.
Start wanting it badly enough to get practicing
you say radfem as if wanting rights is a bad thing
an imageboard isn't exactly the place to go if you actually want rights anon.
>>26542>people really shouldn't be trying to emulate such a misogynistic place
This. Thank you anon.
So it should be off-limits to discuss then? Why shouldn't we talk about our frustrations on a website that has a mostly female userbase? It's the only imageboard with a majority female userbase, we should be able to vent. The only people I can imagine who would have a problem with that are men and "traditional women" or whatever they call doormats these days.
They can discuss what they want but they should contain it in one thread instead of seeping through the other ones. You literally can't say shit without someone somehow making it about their hatred of men. For people who supposedly hate men they sure do seem to obsessively talk about them all the time.
I’m not a tradthot or anything like that, but isn’t making sweeping generalizations about men tantamount to men making sweeping generalizations about women? Aren’t they both equally as annoying and unproductive? I see some of the same tactics in those man-hate threads as I do in, say, MGTOW circles.
They act the exact same way as the men they complain about which makes it that much funnier/sadder
You all fail to mention that the backlash from women who can't bear to see their precious men slighted is far greater than the lone, few posts that make generalizations about men (by anonettes that are going to be perfectly civil to men irl, even when talking about them with their friends).
>>26967>>backlash from women who can't bear to see their precious men slighted
See this is exactly other girls can't say shit about this. You guys scream that men are taking away your voices etc but you do the samething to other girls who don't agree with you. Who are you real fighting for
The radical feminists are fighting to destroy the white race and are working for (((soros))) my fellow girls!
Women are the master race and are superior to every other race
Most male post I have ever seen in my life
I just feel bad making fun of other girls and nitpicking everything about them. No real beef here just like a comfier place to chitchat anonymously with other girls/women that are nerds.
The man-hate threads are a guilty pleasure of mine, there aren't that many places where you can criticize men in a female space. The threads are very echo-chambery though, I wouldn't recommend staying there for too long for the same reason I wouldn't recommend becoming a regular at /pol/.
If your from lolcow please dont come here go back to lolcow please
Come on anon, the site was advertised on lolcow in the past, most anons from there aren't that bad. Not to mention both of the non-drama boards are gross dumpster fires.
you're just doing what you're being criticized about. i've also seen this argument a few times and it's always the sweet innocent manhating minority against the big bad evil handmaidens/tradthots/whatever insult.
What I don't like about the site is the cult mentality they have – and it has been mentioned by other anons – more specifically this double standard for users and cows. They seem to be very supportive and defend each other, but if it's about cows aka women they don't like they treat them as if they aren't human. Not to mention that part of the userbase is full of lolcows themselves, /ot/ is proof for that.
I would sage but it doesn't post otherwise
What have the women who've complained about men done to them? What have they done to the women who defend men?
this>>27033>implying tradthots and handmaidens and doormats don't exist
you're stupid af if you think doormats aren't completely evangelical about being doormats
the layout of the site is ugly and the girls over there can be needlessly bitter and rude. i've gotten the feeling that it's fully of pseudo stacies trying to live out their high-school bully phase by obsessing over other people's business.
that being said i've also gotten some decent advice over there and the ratio of good posts to bad vs…other chans is high
also i really only browse /ot/ and /g/
nah, they’re not the same. men have multiple subreddits, boards and websites dedicated to whining about women, and these sites will continue to exist independent of whether or not the man-hating thread exists.
Y'all complain about man hating anons all over there but I've never seen any outside the thread for it. Is it really that bad, I dont think so ? With this said I only go there once it twice a month to lurk
There's too much a-logging going on and a lot of posts reek of "ugh at least I'm better than this cow".
Internet drama used to be much more amusing when people just laughed about stupid people doing stupid things instead of comparing themselves to them and using trainwrecks who broadcast their crazy lives to the internet to feel better about themselves.
Arent 80% of the beautiful people who post here cross-posters from there?
Don’t attack my posters from laugh.chicken plz
Please abscond yourself from sapphire.snack-bar, friend.
I was banned from giggle.bovine years ago and only lurk there now, checkmate.
How old is that website though? wasn't it barely made in 2016 or something?
may i ask why you were banned?
If you want me to leave, then why do you refer to me as "friend"? In emerald.eatery we are all friends
CC has a different culture from LC, this takes two threads to tistinguish.
Please retain your snicker.serpent behavior outside the aventurine.automat space.t. not a mod, just an autist
I just found a "robot containment" thread on lc and women there seem to act nicer to incels than to other women. Not surprising, but somehow sad.
People here are even more sympathetic to men than on lc. Even sadder to imagine how'd that'd be on here
The website is dedicated to being a shitty person.
What? Are you talking about the man-hate thread? The actual containment one hasn't been active in years. Men are completely banned on both places now, anon.
I'd also argue their man-hate thread is more passionate than ours.
…but so is their woman-hate, and it's site wide.
why is Amanda Seyfried part of the theme and why so many references to her? I dont go on lc that often so I dont get it.
Someone in the celebrity cow thread in /ot/ kept sperging about her being a diva without much evidence, complaining about her wrinkly hands (lol), and claiming to be her mua iirc. She got banned several times but just kept coming back to talk about her, so mods made a joke out of it.
No, the containment threads. I was skimming through the catalog and found it, it's true the newest one was 3 years ago.
What the fuck is going on over there? Admin is AWOL, there seems to be almost no mods left and gore and porn is left up for almost 12 hours. No one's heard back from the mod/admin applications either.
why not just start a new website at this point? Does anyone remember SR? kek
anons have been trying to create a new chan actually. The fucked up thing is, even though admin and farmhands have been completely absent from the complaints threads on /meta/, posts about creating a new website are being deleted.
Like it's genuinely fucked how admin and the mods can't run a website but also don't allow the users to migrate to another.
I think I saw an active mod yesterday, they were responding to a thread in /snow/ if i remember correctly.
why you guys don't talk about it here so you can email each other to create the new website?
Is it true they ban people for no reason?
theyre racist, fuck em
It's nice that they paid for a better server out of pocket tbh. I hope the new admin is more hands-on than the last one. It sounds like good news to me so far.
good luck to their new admin, she will need it. the comm is never
with respect the user demographic on chucklepig to put it bluntly is quite dumb (not saging simple "lol" posts, lots of in-fighting and posts accusing others of "blogposting", paranoia that anons are a cow), so I can understand the mods being more ban crazy. I don't post there much and in a span of 2 weeks I've been accused of being a cow (be it sarcastically or not) for mundane posts.
It's true. It's not a contribution, threads are overrun with posts like this one or "underrated comment", and farmers are generally incapable of reading simple instructions as evident by the rules being plastered everywhere while still going ignored.I've started to appreciate PULL more, to be honest. I've been lurking for years and posting rarely but I like that their voting system eliminates posts like pic related. PULLtards are mostly weebs and teens but accounts force them to be less spergy and samefaggy. There's a ton of issues with the immaturity and willingness to excuse snowflakey shit because a lot of them share flake traits, but it's a fresh breath of air compared to the constant infighting and derailing on lolcow.
I have my fair share of posts there, but 90% are in /ot/ or /g/. Haven't really posted there except for meta in several months tbqf.
Most of the active threads are for people who aren't even "cows" at this point.>>26479>they don't see the "cows" as human to the point they become a hivemind and nitpick over the PETTIEST shit>the most active threads atm are super cringe to read because all the subjects are FAT, HAVE INGROWN HAIRS, TOO SKINNY, DOING IT BECAUSE IT'S IN (as if people cant change their style or tastes as they age)… you name it (aka. heavy nitpick) which makes it look like anons are jelly asf>mods are ban happy (that is not their fault because the community makes them paranoid and demands some sort of action for absolutely no reason otherwise "staff is gone", i feel sorry for them)>obvious newfags trying to act like oldfags (happens in every chan ever, but it's painful obvious there)>90% of them are rude and obnoxious for no reason because that's board culture I guess. If you don't cuss and treat people like crap when calling them out, you're an exception. people here tend to be nicer in comparision which makes them think we're all uwu cute fake>most of them are paranoid to the point of thinking even the staff has a vendetta of if someone disagrees with the majority = they're a cow. "hi _________". You can't disagree with anyone. If you do, you're a ~~whiteknight~ uwu !!!!>boards are messy as fuck. due to paranoia ("it's just to keep an archive", "to have evidence", etc) nothing ever gets deleted, even clear vendettas that should not be there. the catalg are super hard to navigate if they're about an infamous person because you have 789837247237978 threads to read and 80% of the content is BS. if you ask someone for the tldr they will eat you alive, so better waste 50 hours skimming through that shit than asking a question in a thread>most of them think they're better people than 99% of the rest of the internet (everyone else is a pullfag, handmaiden, miner = tranny, etc)>most of the userbase reeks of underage nowadays. that was NOT the case when the chan was brought to life. most users seemed 18+>everyone claims to have some sort of mental ilness, just go to /ot/ and you will see that. and they have the guts to criticize PULLtards~ they think their shit doesn't stink.>can't remember exacly what was the reason but about 2 years ago the website was going to shit (I think people were spreading the rumour that Joshua M was running the site and would out people? If anyone remembers this, please enlighten me) which cases TONS OF PEOPLE to start apologizing in threads saying they really didn't mean to say what they did because of X, Y, Z reason and that they were sorry uwu~~ so you shit on people for ages and when you're afraid of being dox'd, you realize you were a piece of shit? ok.
I still lurk every now and then and I don't ever remember being banned by a staff member except for maybe 1 or 2 times for just a day for infighting. I think the staff/admins are usually good and they try their best, but the userbase is wayyy too demanding and they're NEVER okay or happy. Admins never last long there because they're shitty and treat them like crap if they take a while to respond. The fact that several of them are paranoid doesn't help either, they always think the admins have some type of agenda. I enjoy freedom of speech in general and I do like reading about Onion and some of the other most famous "cows", but that chan in such a bad state that it should be nuked for good and never brought back for their own sake.
The userbase has become the biggest cow EVER.
That summary pretty much sums it up perfectly. But I’m starting to think the “Hi _____ (cow)” is usually more of a inside-joke/meme than actual paranoia. I say that because of how often its posted even for inane stuff (I find it funny though).
thanks anon, I was there since pretty much the start so it's easy to see what's changed. Maybe you're right that some see it as in inside joke, but users were doing it soooooo fucking often that the staff decided to make a rule against it, so I guess they do take it seriously
>>29615>nothing ever gets deleted
In the /ot/ and maybe /g/ boards, they should delete the older "editions" of threads like vents, confessions, celebricows once they start a new one because no one goes to read locked threads from months, years ago.
Just like PULL is full of aspiring snowflakes, lolcow is full of angry, bitter vendetta-chans.
The staff paranoia is ridiculous. They're trannies! They're men! They're cows! They're camgirls! At least anonymous staff is better than on PULL where that koreaboo mod gets extremely offended all the time and their personal bias shows through, I can't take her seriously for that reason and would feel the urge to bait her if she ever told me off. They should have mod accounts separate from user accounts.>>29618
I disagree. Outings like Mystery.jpg's would've been way less funny without the intense whining in "personal" threads directly contradicting what she posted on the drama boards. I cannot even imagine what Spoony's history would've looked like.
I think threads with extreme samefagging and vendetta issues and constant sperging should get post IDs. Examples would be Joy Sparkles who is a massive cow but her thread is ruined by the same idiots ban evading to spew facebook-tier memes and walls of text, or the Anisa thread which probably has around 4 posters overall, Lola Tyrell who I expected to be locked a long time ago, and so on.
I don't understand the "mods aren't active" complaints at all
, /meta/ has been left in shambles but I constantly see Farmhand posts and redtext on pt and snow. /meta/ is just swamped with complaints that should just be reports instead and every time a Farmhand replies they're met with more reeeing.
Another thing that could be taken from PULL is the subforum for new threads so that the mods have to approve a new subject before it goes public.
Haven’t been here long and have been lurking lolcow for even less time, but it got me thinking. I don’t have active beef, but seeing the culture and overall tone of a gossip site has made me aware of what I could become if I don’t actively choose to brush things off and try to see the humanity in even the milkiest people. I went to some threads where I was relieved to see other people taking issue with things I have issue with as well, only to be put off by how hard they were going and unfair they were being. Good criticism doesn’t derive from obsessive fault-finding and an exaggerated negative bias, you get closer to the ‘truth’ with due diligence.
I’m sure I’ll go back from time to time just to see what the people willing to do the legwork have brought in, but I’m going to limit my exposure to keep my head above water, since that kind of negativity can be addicting. I’m very careful not to use contempt as fuel where my self-esteem should be.
>>29634>I don't understand the "mods aren't active" complaints at all
Well duh, most of us notice that the mods are active on lolcow, it's just that some of their priorities are fucked (which is why farmers were trying to abandon lolcow and create a new chan).
Basically, while there was gore up for 8 hours on /ot/ farmhands were banning people on /pt/ and /snow/ for nitpicking. Several anons reported the issue but farmhands didn't care. And guess what, farmhands apologized but then the same thing happened 3 times again in the same month.
I don't know how it works on lolcow but as far as I know on other chans, many times staff members only have moderation rights to certain boards. Maybe the people being active in the gossip boards don't take care of /ot/ or /g/, they're not global mods… hence why you guys saw farmhands being active but gore shit in other threads. Just my 2 cents since leaving gore up for hours and banning people for other reasons doesn't make sense.
I was permabanned for "ban evading" even though it was the first and only time I'd ever been banned.
Do you have a dynamic IP or VPN?
No VPN. Even if I change my IP on my phone I can't ban evade. I'm not smart enough with these things to know what I could do to trick a new IP into not knowing I'm banned.
Moderation is EXTREMELY bad on cc.
Email them, it means you were assigned an IP that was previously used by someone who got a permaban. They fix it if you send a screenshot of the ban.
Source: Happened to me, got it fixed
No, I think they decided I was a person they'd banned before who was evading. I do understand how my post could have been misunderstood looking back on it. There's no point in going "nuh-uh it's not me" so I gave up after my one e-mail got ignored.
>>29748>tfw have ban evaded on lolcow by phone posting without getting caught
Tell me I'm cool.
maybee you can try a mac scrambler as well with a vpn…idk
holly brown is the only cool cow I was directed to say this here by someone
Holly Brown and [insert random instagram ho with too much PS] deserve to win best cow of the year
these planters on giggle.bovine are attacking my friends on crystal.cafehttps://lolcow.farm/ot/res/354915.html
but I couldn't help but laugh at the post saying >how can all this shit happen on a site that has like 5 posts per day
in response to a summary of the discord stuff.
kek i saw this thread
i think it would be best not to give them attention, they just want a petty fight
I've read the thread as well. I don't know how a site dedicated to gossip can feel superior to anyone. I would rather take the autism and anime of here to the angry atmosphere of lolcow.
I think it's meant to imply the poster of that reply is one of the nobf anons herself
If 365451 is reading this;
pretty sure most people have mentioned it already but lolcow is so toxic and borderline psychos. like if you dont agree with a popular opinion they'll all jump at your throats. i got banned on the site 2 years ago, permanently mind you (think that was my first ever post too lol), for defending r/asianmasculinity since obvs sites like that are created as an online outlet/safe space for asian men to vent out whatever they injustice real life has dealt them. usually i dont give a shit about sjw issues but idk why this one seemed especially low for me? mb because asian get the short end of the stick in society already?? and they were making up bs stuff like users on the subreddit worship white women LOL it was such a stretch and i just needed to reply. so yeah thats how i got banned. the place seems to be overly hostile and stubbornly unreasonable.
also the entire site is pretty much focused on attacking random e celebs who i dont give a flying ass about. i think a lot of the girls they attack probably resemble themselves in someway – weeby, attention seeking, and having bpd tendencies.
this place is much better, having actual hobby discussions and way way way more chill. people seem more level headed and less prone to random bouts of autistic attacks on other anons.
sry but could you elaborate on what a handmaiden is? i know the other two.
Can't remember if i've said this here before but the days when i used to be a farmer made me so damn sad all the time and i started to hate my own appearance more too because of how harsh everyone is
I actually feel bad for the guys. Asian men unironically are given a lot more shit for being "feminine" than other races, and every asian girl I've met wants a white bf. There's a lot of entitlement on r/asianmasculinity in regards to women, but they actually have reason to complain unlike 90% of the manosphere.
>>26479>most of them are hypocrite>try to make a valid point but rebuffed with "hi cow">not cow in questions>Has 20 possibly going on 30 board about hating men>95% of the the boards about cows are just relegated to nitpicking and not about cows behavior or current drama>The Confession board has people confession to serious crimes (i.e one confess to killing a neighbors cat)
I think lolcow is full of bitter bitches tbh
They're given so much crap because large majority of them are like this. There's VERY small number of asian "chads" when compared to caucasoid or negroid guys.
If for example white guys would display typically feminine traits many white girls would probably look elsewhere for relationships. I feel like it's fault of their culture but i admit i've never saw how exactly are asian guys raised on average and what differs in their upbringing when compared to black or white men
overbearing mothers 99% of the time
That board is so obnoxious.
Just checked back this same thread and missed the entite infighting and drama posted about a month ago. They even took the (gemstone).(foodplace) meme and spun it with the standard “hi cow” trope.
So tiresome, lolcow needs more “uwuposters” as I fear all the anger will lead to stress and resulting health problems for all the farmhands
That's not the point but ok.
I know that this is a somewhat unpopular opinion on image boards but the transphobia is uncomfortable to see. I am a biological woman but throughout my adolescence I have made plenty of friends who are trans, mostly trans guys and one trans girl and some I would consider best friends that I would never want to loose. And when I stumbled on lc because I love drama and onto /g/ and /ot/ I was happy to see an alternative outlet to let out my opinions, get advise and etc. but from other women that relate more to things I dont usually talk with my friends, makeup, skincare, fitness and etc. But seeing how gender critical is ingrained within the whole site, it left a bad taste in my mouth more than the drama. And I dont see any point to voice my opinions for transgender people since I will get only sperging on how I need to go back to Tumblr and whatever. With that attitude Ben Shapiro shouldn't be on the guy's your ashamed to fuck thread cause at least he can be a spokesperson for Terfs, kek. Am I alone on this?
I too don't mind trans as much as the average farmer, I have a few friends who are really good people who just want to live their lives unbothered while presenting as the opposite sex. I think it's annoying when a thread is derailed because someone uses the preferred pronouns of a cow, but I also understand the frustration with trans women being creepy as fuck and trans men who seem to just look for excuses to be offended. And just like you don't see the point of defending trans people on that site, so do most other supporters. It's not something I personally want to argue there just because I know a few people who don't fit the awful current trend. It's whatever. It's a drama site. Imo everyone who goes there for the offtopic boards is misguided. They're a nice addition but nothing to call home about.
The exact opposite happened to me, to be honest. I used to argue with TERFs all the time there, but then I decided to take a look at one of their designated threads and try to actually understand what they were saying (with the aim of dismantling it). Unfortunately, certain things they were saying started to get too accurate. They posted so much proof and real life examples to back up even their wildest claims that I felt retarded and blind trying to shut them down. I was lucky enough to encounter some cool people who happened to be trans in my life, but it just feels wrong to deny the things the people in GC threads were saying on a collective level. Even on an individual level, a quick visit to the trans threads on /lgbt/ or literally any trans subreddit where they air out their personal thoughts freely reminds me exactly what this group I'm supposed to cape for are thinking.
I used to think TERFs were some evil, violent, ignorant bunch who wanted to roll back women's rights, open the floodgates to Nazism and revoke LGBT rights. In truth, a lot of them literally are just feminists and LGBT women who actually hate Ben Shapiro and his ilk. The difference is, they'd continue to hate him instead of embracing him with open arms if he suddenly claimed that he actually suffered from gender dysphoria all this time and was totally only being a shitbag to cope (while still keeping most of his other disgusting political views and misogynistic leanings). The whole "Kill/Punch TERFs" thing really was just the misogyny jumping out all along, and we all fell for it, thinking it was just the logical progression of "Kill/punch Nazis". It's not. TERFs have never been as violent a threat as Nazis, or even comparable on any scale. They're literally just any woman who has the audacity to say "No" to anything a man says after he claims that he's really a woman on the inside.
I still respect people enough to use their preferred names and/or pronouns, and I'm not against people living however they please, but there's a point where someone's emotional well-being must not be allowed to water down the rights and safeties of everybody else. It's backward to sacrifice women's well-being and the spaces/recognition they worked hard for, both in heterosexual and lesbian respects, for the sake of a group of people struggling with a brain/body match-up problem. After all I've witnessed and read, I can never, on good conscience, be an ally to the trans movement.
I agree with almost all of this. My only exception is that I do support trans people but I think the current trans movement
is way over the top and harming women for the sake of a very tiny minority who's trying to bully their way to the top. A lot of my really woke, really trans-allied friends have recently been waking up to that current trend and have started to voice their concerns when it comes to trans women steamrolling everyone else, so I'm holding out hope that a few years from now there'll be another new wave of trans discourse formed by the ex-sjws who are still sympathetic of trans but draw lines at shit like renaming women's biology to cater to troons and the corrective rape of "transphobic" lesbians.
Does the term “troons” make anybody else think of some sorta alien from a sci fi series?
Like imagine the following :
A young man is dashing through a hallway on board a space station toward his trusty assistant. They both speak energetically in a accent which somewhere in between the UK and the USA in style.
>Man #1 : The Troons have noticed us! Quickly, we must get to the auxiliary air locks.> Troons : ### EXTERMINATE. EXTERMINATE. ###> Lieutenant : Get down!
Two Troons open fire with loud zapping sounds but miss our brave heroes and accidentally hit each other with the stray laser beams, exploding in a shower of sparks.> Man #1 : That was a close one. We may not be so lucky next time…
>>33268>It's backward to sacrifice women's well-being and the spaces/recognition they worked hard for, both in heterosexual and lesbian respects, for the sake of a group of people struggling with a brain/body match-up problem. After all I've witnessed and read, I can never, on good conscience, be an ally to the trans movement.
Don't you think it's somewhat odd to make the claim that it's backwards to sacrifice (a group's) well-being and the spaces/recognition they worked hard for, for the sake of (another group's) well-being and the spaces/recognition they worked hard for, when the 'sacrifice' that is being made is including (other group) with (the first group)?
Mostly I don't understand why your claim that "there's a point where someone's emotional well-being must not be allowed to water down the rights and safeties of everybody else" doesn't apply in the opposite direction, ie why would a biological females feelings be allowed to water down the rights and safeties of a transexual females?
>>33276>Don't you think it's somewhat odd to make the claim that it's backwards to sacrifice (a group's) well-being and the spaces/recognition they worked hard for, for the sake of (another group's) well-being and the spaces/recognition they worked hard for, when the 'sacrifice' that is being made is including (other group) with (the first group)?
Because it's not about mere inclusion, it's an issue of dominating language, stripping of safety, lesbophobia and sexual coercion under the guise of being progressive. Women are already being told to refer to themselves as "uterus-havers", "bleeders", "people with vaginas", etc. This is dehumanizing. On top of that, I've already seen TRAs derailing discussion of FGM to yell at people for calling it "female
genital mutilation". Additionally, we're all familiar with the "cotton ceiling" debate, and there are far too many horror stories of lesbians being told they are transphobic for not wanting to have sex with penises, that their sexual orientation is a result of trauma or a mental illness, and other lesbophobic/conversion therapy-derived nonsense. All of this is being done specifically because such conflations of girlhood/womanhood to the female body is triggering to MtFs.
There are also multiple stories of self-proclaimed MtFs using their access to spaces like bathrooms to assault little girls and women. That's not okay. The argument for this is that MtFs will be assaulted if they use the men's bathroom, but I have never found a single news article of an MtF person being beaten up in a men's bathroom (but I have found one article where two women assault an MtF person in a women's bathroom. Funny how that hasn't been a deterrence). More likely, the actual goal is to make MtFs more comfortable and feel assured in their gender identity. No matter how far I stretch empathy, I can't support sacrificing women and children's safety from sexual violence for the sake of someone else's comfort
. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. >Mostly I don't understand why your claim that "there's a point where someone's emotional well-being must not be allowed to water down the rights and safeties of everybody else" doesn't apply in the opposite direction, ie why would a biological females feelings be allowed to water down the rights and safeties of a transexual females?
Because women daring to exist as we were born, discuss our bodies, freely choose our own sexual partners and have our own female-only spaces is not any sort of attack or encroachment on anyone. How are MtF people harmed by that, except that it reminds them of their dysphoria? Why is our mere existence and freedom to blame for their mental/physical issues that the healthcare industry is lagging behind on adequately treating?
We are 50% of the population, and we deserve to be who we are, openly and unabashedly. If that unintentionally hurts someone else, the answer is never to take away or reduce our rights, but for the hypothetical group being attacked to have their own space for freedom, rights and safety away from us.
I forgot about the sports debate, too. Simply put, this is not it.
>>33277>We are 50% of the population, and we deserve to be who we are, openly and unabashedly. If that unintentionally hurts someone else, the answer is never to take away or reduce our rights, but for the hypothetical group being attacked to have their own space for freedom, rights and safety away from us.
I guess the problem I have is this sounds like ethno-state rhetoric.
My worry mostly is that people may conflate bad incidents upon the entirety of a population, so your mention of the bathroom assaults, the lesbian horror stories about being transphobic, and even the sports issue (although I would side with you there) are likely rare occurrences. I think it's concerning to grab a few headlines to show your confirmation bias and then adopt a political stance around these headlines.
Anon…I'm sorry, but what the hell? Do you think I'm suggesting women only country or something? I just want us to be able to have our own bathrooms and not have to avoid calling ourselves women because it hurts people with gender dysphoria, ffs. >likely rare occurrences.
What's pressing to me is that TRAs do not openly stand against it as much as they do transmisogyny. In fact, they're the ones pushing it. They want us to defend them and their honor, but turn their backs, ignore us or go out of their way to villify and shit on us even more when we're the ones being attacked.
I'd rather not wait until these things become common, every day occurrences to stand up against them. Either these issues are to be resolved by TRAs, or I will be forced to understand them as a package deal with inclusion and not accept it. >I think it's concerning to grab a few headlines to show your confirmation bias and then adopt a political stance around these headlines.
I didn't have a confirmation bias against the movement before at all. If anything, I had one in favor of them. I didn't know about any of these things because all I was getting were the feel-good stories. I believe that was on purpose, too. The veil is lifting, and there are many, many problems that need to be addressed. With this track record of harassing and abusing women for not taking it all lying down, or being willfully blind, I'm pretty sure they won't be, and that's why I'm no longer an ally.
To clarify the ethno-state rhetoric claim, the stance that 'a hypothetical transfemale group being attacked should have their own freedom/rights/safety away from the female group' parallels an argument that an ethno-stater would make (in context of America) that black people would ultimately be better off in Africa as that way they wouldn't have to be subject to police violence or worry about racism from the majority, or whatever nice-sounding argument that leads to a logical conclusion that we need to segregate.
Admittedly this is a bit disingenuous to your point because I don't believe that you would advocate something as extreme as this – but where it makes me uncomfortable is I feel like you have a very 'us vs them' mindset that revolves around what makes you uncomfortable; an example of some dissonance that maybe I'm not understanding from your perspective: transwomen in bathrooms is an issue as it infringes on the safety of natural women and puts them at risk of sexual harassment, however would lesbians not also be potential sexual harassers in this space? To push it to a logical extreme: all transwomen should be banned from women-only environments (bathrooms) because they may present a risk, and if we're trying to eliminate all risk from women-only environments, we should also exclude lesbians from this, as well as normal men. On the opposite end, if we apply this risk to other areas of legislation, we can make arguments that women should be excluded from male-dominant work spaces because they may incite lascivious behavior from men, make men uncomfortable, and make the work environment undesirable; we should segregate other races from the majority race because they may make some members of the majority uncomfortable and hey, some of those brown people might attack them.
I'm somewhat using a slippery slope, but this is also what you're doing when you say things like>I'd rather not wait until these things become common, every day occurrences to stand up against them.
It's just for me I don't like the idea of someone claiming that they're okay transexuals, as long as they never have to see them or acknowledge them, or consider them to be on the same level as 'me,' it sounds a little messed up.
but also I do agree that the tip-toeing around calling women 'women' as to not offend transexuals is pretty dumb.
In a case like the US, black people are actually being oppressed and treated poorly via discrimination, police violence, etc. This is an effect of the system being racist to begin with, and benefiting from black people's oppression for decades, starting from slavery to Jim Crow laws, to the destruction of "Black Wall Street", etc etc. MtFs are simply people with gender dysphoria, and women existing does not oppress them. We have no vested interest in keeping them down, and we never have. Our reproductive health, existence as female and desire to not be forced into sex has never been an institutional weapon against anybody (except misogynists and incels, I guess), and it certainly isn't built on the basis of holding anyone down. On top of that, there is no history of women oppressing MtFs, but there is a history of men oppressing women. When some men born into such a society based on women's oppression start claiming that they, too, are definitely women, it makes sense that women would say "Nope".
Comparing the two is honestly pretty fucked up, and also minimizes the effects of racism - Unlike dysphoria, racism and a racist society is not
caused by a mental issue in black people's heads, or a result of anything that all black people consciously choose to do that they can simply remove at the end of the day. There is no way for a black person to "stealth as white" to escape racism, while a trans person can just put on clothing for their assigned gender when they go out to escape transphobia. A lot of people within black communities already don't support the trans movement, and these misguided comparisons honestly just serve as a point of even higher irritation. Black people, as a collective, don't fight to be seen as the gender identity they want based on their brain telling them certain things. The fight is to be seen as human beings
by a society built on their dehumanization, and the continued use of such people as cogs in a flawed, fucked up machine. Unless you plan to boil down anti-black racism to "Black people are actually just white people, AKA human beings, on the inside. It's not their fault they were born black just because nature didn't match their bodies to their brains. They must be accepted by society as white people in different bodies" or something (I don't think you would stretch this far, but I've seen enough nonsense in my life to expect nothing from no one), the two will never be the same.
In fact, "Trans women are women the same way black women are women" being proudly parroted over and over, primarily by people who are born male and white
, is one of the smaller things that pushed me over the edge and made me think "Hmm, there is something not quite right going on here".
I want to add, violence and discrimination from other males with anti-trans tendencies has always been more of a threat to the trans community than women simply excluding MtFs from female spaces, but the focus from TRAs is often not on male violence, but on how TERFs are evil. I can only attribute this to misogyny (again).
>I feel like you have a very 'us vs them' mindset that revolves around what makes you uncomfortable
Females being trod on by males is not a matter of personal discomfort, but of pointing out the elephant in the room that's existed for millenia. I see no reason to pretend not to see it happening in action just because the tactics have changed, or just because some men have simply decided their personal issues are now women's to solve without even checking on their own behaviors and predatory actions so we can have peace. >however would lesbians not also be potential sexual harassers in this space? To push it to a logical extreme: all transwomen should be banned from women-only environments (bathrooms) because they may present a risk, and if we're trying to eliminate all risk from women-only environments, we should also exclude lesbians from this, as well as normal men
Lesbians are not the same as men, especially not just because of their attraction. Arguing as such sounds like a soft attempt to downplay the nefarity of sexual violence and abuse to "They couldn't help it, they were just so attracted!". Lesbians even have lower rates of partner abuse/violence as a whole than men, but are far more likely to report that abuse when it does happen than women partnered with men. Many homophobes try to argue otherwise, but:https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/814707/please_stop_spreading_the_false_myth_that/https://imgur.com/a/bT6Gkn
(Note on the pie chart: It shows that women currently cohabiting with women report higher victimisation rates over their lifetimes than women currently cohabiting with men, but that's because 75% of that victimization occurred at the hands of male partners)
In fact, a popular talking point by lesbian feminists in response to the "Men can't help acting on their attraction" is "I'm attracted to women, and I can exist without raping or sexually harassing them, and also don't have problems focusing at work or school because of how they dress. What is your excuse?". This is something MtFs attracted to women don't say to cis men, and I'm convinced it's because 1) they don't, and have never actually had a vested attachment to women's rights, they just want in on women's spaces and 2) even they know it's not true.
>On the opposite end, if we apply this risk to other areas of legislation, we can make arguments that women should be excluded from male-dominant work spaces because they may incite lascivious behavior from men, make men uncomfortable, and make the work environment undesirable;
This is actually what TRAs would unironically end up suggesting in a bid to minimize triggering MtF dysphoria, though. The idea that we "incite" certain feelings (in this case, of dysphoria) and need our existence and expression reduced. It's more of the same sexism.
>we should segregate other races from the majority race because they may make some members of the majority uncomfortable and hey, some of those brown people might attack them.
This is just a broken comparison for the same reasons I stated at beginning of my post. I will say, though, if a group of black or brown people want to make an organization to discuss black or brown rights and advancement, white people who decide they "feel" black or brown are not going to be welcomed just because they feel some sort of racial dysphoria. I think anyone can understand why. I believe the same applies to women's groups as a whole when it comes to men who "feel" like they're women on the inside. Sex-based oppression has always been a problem, and the basis of feminism, just like racial oppression (and for black and brown women, the two intersect - someone who does not fit either group can never actually equate their experiences in a white-centric, male-centric society to theirs. A white woman knows what it's like to be a woman, but not non-white, so while connection within a feminist group could form a strong bond, she'd have no place at a black or brown empowerment group. A non-white man knows what it's like to be non-white, but not a woman, so while connection within a black or brown empowerment group could form a strong bond, he'd have no place at a feminist group. If we're on the subject of someone who doesn't have the experience of being non-white or
a woman, I'm sure you know where this is going…).
>It's just for me I don't like the idea of someone claiming that they're okay transexuals, as long as they never have to see them or acknowledge them, or consider them to be on the same level as 'me,' it sounds a little messed up.
I didn't say this, though. I've never had an issue with seeing or acknowledging people in whatever they want to be called or seen as, but when it's at the point that rape, lesbophobia, censorship of women discussing our bodies, and women no longer having any language or space to focus on what we face as natural born women, is to be considered as a fair price to pay to make them comfortable, I'm not with it. If we're so triggering to them just for being born as women and acknowledging it, and they don't even care about our safety or wellbeing, they should make their own space. We don't deserve to be trampled on for someone else's emotional comfort. Feminism has come too far for that.
>>33286>In a case like the US, black people are actually being oppressed and treated poorly via discrimination
Yawn. Shan't be reading anymore of that. If I wanted read some naive idiot rambling about "MUH UHPRESSION" I would head over to tumblr.
You're ranting at me about how I need to whiteknight men in women's dresses and consider them my sisters or else I'm speaking "ethnostate rhetoric", but I'm
the one from Tumblr?
Lmao, bye. Hope you find some brain cells on Everyday Feminism.
I forgot to add: Thank you for admitting you use non-white people as weapons in your shitty TRA arguments, and that you don't actually give a fuck about anyone but white guys crying about their untreated mental illnesses and how the world must accept their cross-dressing fetishes.
You're worse than a naive idiot, you're a disingenuous, virtue-signalling retard, and either a pick-me or a narcissistic MtF yourself.
>>33316>>33317>WAH WAH WAH
I don't give a solitary fuck about those freaks. I just saw somebody who needed reminding that shutting up is an option when you don't know what you're talking about.
Oh, so you're just some tard who no one was talking to. Thanks for your worthless contribution. No one cares.
>>33318>>33311>2019>still getting triggered by any mention of racial inequality whatsoever
This isn't 4chan anon
One of the farmhands permabanned me for "vendetta/selfposting" when I was calling out another anon for vendetta posting. It was clearly a misfire so I appealed and got unbanned, but as soon as I tried posting again I was automatically permabanned again for "unspecified reason". Tried posting once from a computer at my community college's library and was automatically permabanned for unspecified reason there as well.
Anyone know what that's about? Did they hate me so much they banned my entire city lol
What thread did that happen in? I've always suspected that of janitors to be honest
I was the "lol sure you are fatty" poster, replying to the anon who was obviously the OP. Farmhand was convinced that the OP was samefagging from multiple IPs or something and assumed I was one of them for some reason. In short, she's an idiot, as evidenced by her replies to us.
>>33327>tumblr conspiracy theories
yawning @ u
Pic related, you rn calling common knowledge tumblr conspiracies and anti-huwite propaganda
No beef with it but don't go on it these days. I had enough people on the internet who larp as mean girls in my teens
They have beef with us, not the other way around
No real beef, lolcow is just that bitch in the group who talks shit about everything but we keep her 'cause at least she's funny and occasionally has a point
This. It's like an entire culture centered around cringe, people pretending to be retarded for likes/upvotes, gangstalking and schadenfreude. Kind of horrifying that it's one of the more popular boards on the site. I really have a distaste for people whose sense of humor revolves entirely around being socially superior to others. It says a lot about them as a person.
>>27877>Internet drama used to be much more amusing when people just laughed about stupid people doing stupid things instead of comparing themselves to them and using trainwrecks who broadcast their crazy lives to the internet to feel better about themselves.
This site has devolved into just venting negative emotions and talking about sex, there's pretty much no reason for it to exist anymore because it now has the exact same board culture as the off topic boards on lolcow.
The off topic boards on lolcow are still associated with the cow boards, it looks bad and this site exists because enough people wanted a separate place.
There’s too much fixation on boys; specifically r9k tier basketcases in this site to my liking. Like I don’t think the average wizardchan counterpart thinks that much about a “uwu shy neet grill”
To be fair I am suspect that 90% of those threads are made by “fellow femails”
>>36449>Kind of horrifying that it's one of the more popular boards on the site.
That's the whole reason the site was made though. There's a reason ot/g/m are called "the off topic boards". For the first couple of years lolcow was just /pt/, not even /snow/.
They're spreading a lot of misinformation in /ot/. God, I'm trying so hard not to respond to some recent posts and basically join someone else's conversation. I don't want to get banned because the bs they posted is pretty much the "board consensus".