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Hate? Hate is an emotion. I just don't accept their premise. It's other people who think this disagreement is the same as hate.

>>318188
Hence why I said so many, not all.

You know those white people who are a little too into K-pop that they start pretending to be Korean? It's weird, right? Imagine being Korean and seeing someone from a race that has oppressed your people for many years suddenly cosplay it like it's nothing. I don't see any difference from the RCTA (race change to another) ideology to the trans ideology. Seeing men put on a dress and suddenly they know your struggles, the misogyny you faced, and they deeply understand womanhood itself. The trans ideology relies on the fact that gender is a social construct so you can be free to be who you want, but race is also a social construct. If we can acknowledge that one is weird, why not the other? Maybe this question isn't for me though, as I do not hate transgender men and include them in my feminism, meaning I am technically not a trans exclusionary radical feminist.

>>318190
I'd like to add on that I genuinely don't believe that TIM's have a appreciation of womanhood and understand what being a woman is like and they simply want to become a woman because (A) they are jealous of womanhood (B) they are agps or (C) they are incels who believe being a woman is "easier"

>>318190
I get what you're trying to say but they're genuinely nothing alike. Race changing is people doing things purely for aesthetic interest in a race. That isn't why t women transition. It's not some aesthetic change, and most t women I've been around acknowledge that their experiences are different from that of a cis woman's. Being born male and not transitioning till later in life gives you the same experience as a guy, but once they start actually looking feminine enough they get some of the same treatment + transphobia

Transitioning isn't just 'putting on a dress’ or just wearing femininity like a costume. Some t women when they do pass well enough to be pretty have said they experience some the same stuff we do like sexual harassment, or condescension based off gender. It's quite literally the same treatment, stemming from the same expectations of women, just on a somewhat different target.

I guess I think gender is much more broad of a concept than race, and they're both constructed in very different ways. And unlike race, gender is normally enforced and acted out. There are specific roles and behaviors tied to and enforced within gender, normally purposely acted out rather it's done consciously or not. Race is based purely on how you were born. It depends entirely on the physical, while gender coexists with the physical and is influenced by it but is not defined by it. People are not physically ‘boy or girl.’ They are physically male, female, or intersex.

Although, I have unfortunately seen some people try and transition because they think being a woman is easier and will get them dates but they are very much looked down upon by actual trans people.

And for the jealousy thing, I really don't think that's real honestly, I've never seen anyone say that before that it was a feeling of ‘jealousy’ towards women that pushes them to transition. I genuinely don't think you've ever tried earnestly talking to a trans woman or trying to listen to one describe their feelings and why they transitioned. cause I've never heard anything like that from one, ever.

I also think it's worth noting that gender dysphoria is something that gets diagnosed by a psychologist, and treated with hrt. If you went to your therapist and just said “I'm so jealous of women” they're not gonna give you titty pills.

And I'm ngl the agp stuff is mostly bs, 3% of men experience that and it's even rarer for them to medically or socially transition to pursue it.

>>318193 I really want to stress that there's a difference between someone experiencing gender dysphoria vs someone that just wants to be a woman for sexual pleasure or thinks it would make everything easier. By definition these people aren't transgender ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

>>318193
There really isn’t a way to distinguish people who experience gender dysphoria and want to transition from the men who want to abuse it. Because you can’t distinguish them, cisgender women should get our own safe place, but any place that is designated for us is called transphobic and heavily attacked. If there was a way to have safe places for cisgender women only, then I would be less concerned about the transgender ideology. I rarely see TIM’s acknowledge that they grew up privileged being AMAB and agree that they have different experiences to cis women, the majority of them want to group themselves up with us (I have literally seen some try claim the phrase biological female for themselves) or belittle our experiences and say we don’t face oppression and the small majority who acknowledge it are called self-haters, transphobe bootlickers, and are shunned by the rest of the community.

>>318196
It's actually kinda easier when you actually talk to trans people, but I'm guessing you you don't out of concern for your safety. I get but also your concern for the most part seems like it might be based on a lack of knowledge rather than something that's based on your real experiences. Trans women are more likely to have sexual violence done to them than they are do do it to others. People faking it is unlikely as they would have to socially and physically transition, deal with people trying to beat their ass or kill them for their gender, sometimes get harassed in women's bathrooms, ect. It's much more convenient to stay a man if you want to sexually assault women. If you actually wanted to harm women you wouldn't transition because the stigma attached to t women would draw more attention to you and your actions.

I've seen the bio woman thing before, I think they're referring to how taking hrt can mimic a women's cycle in some way, I can't recall if any studies have been done to support that claim tho. In some ways after taking hrt they do experience stuff that's kinda like PMS, or it mimics a menstrual cycle with cramps, but of course no blood.

Also I think any trans women belittling trans women would get bullied by other people in the community. I don't know where you see that as commonplace but I can assure you it isn't normal. If you've seen it on an algorithm driven app (or honestly any social media) it's dangerous to view comments agreeing on posts like that as a representative of a collective.

>>318198
I am not basing this purely on online experiences, I have met multiple transgender identified males in real life all of which I have had negative experiences with and have fueled my viewpoints on the ideology. Hell, I have even had TIM friends and both of them sexually harassed me.

>>318199
Can I ask about the experiences and what went wrong with them if ur comfortable?