WGTOW Anonymous 4072
Today I came across 'WGTOW' - Women going their own way. It's similar to MGTOW in the sense women are actively choosing to lead their lives without the influence of the opposite sex.
These women prefer their lives to be filled with spending time with other women instead of men, being financially independent of them, and forgoing relationships with men.
A lot of these women seem to choose this lifestyle because they are drained from the emotional labor that comes with being around men. Some of them have other reasons including being abused by men. They seem to feel taken for granted by men so they choose to go without them in their lives.
What do you think about this line of thinking and lifestyle?
Do you think you could ever lead a life without participating in relationships and friendships with the opposite sex?
Sounds more exhausting to purposefully avoid any male relationships, plus relationships with other girls can go wrong too.
I think it's a bit stupid to pretend that all men are evil per se and should be avoided in order to be happy.
But I do really like the trend of women being independent and not put having a relationship as a priority.
I really wish I could do this more and have a friendcircle that consists of mostly girls as well.
But shit, I'm still too emotionally dependent on that to be able to cut men out of my life.
I don't go out of my way to avoid relationships but I never pursue them either, and they sure as fuck don't fall in my lap, so I think I'll naturally be single forever whether I like it or not. I don't think it's bad at all though, I think it's a very safe way to live your life with minimal stress, hurt and drama. The only real problem (for me, and it might just be in my head) is other people's judgement, so thinking of myself as 'going my own way' helps.
Lmao that just sounds like being a lesbian. I only know 3 men anyways.
Disturbing. Anyone who actively shits on/stereotypes either gender despite both being about an equal amount of the entire human population has serious issues they need to work on in themselves. I don't understand how someone can be filled with so much hate to think about trivial stuff like this all the time. They are obviously not very busy since normal people know you have to interact with everybody to get somewhere in life. Humans beings are complex and most people are awful individuals regardless of gender so good luck to these people trying to avoid whatever it is that they're avoiding.
I actually wondered if this existed like a week ago.
I don't go out of my way to make friends with guys, but I can work with them on a professional/peer level just fine. Besides family, my bf, and the one male friend I have, I don't feel like my life is incomplete because I don't have more male friends.
I'm not really the type of gal that men like anyway, which probs contributes to the lack of men in my life.
Not really a choice, but circumstance by nature.
I actually really like this concept and find it not to be so much about demonising the opposite sex as it is learning to embrace an alternative way of living that doesn't rely on their presence the way it was previously necessary in order to survive.
Women have been conditioned to attach themselves to a man and live in symbiosis with them over millennia, but it was always about the woman giving more on her end than what she ultimately received. Sure some people can argue that the man would serve as a protector and offer a degree of economic stability to an extent, but in that course the woman almost always had any hopes of education, independence and individualism stolen from them and were expected to perform the roles of little more than housekeepers and breeders, and the saddest thing is that for many, many years that was the best we could ever hope to attain. That isn't to say that all men are evil, it's the gendered stratum, but what it has resulted in is a widely held sense of pejorative entitlement amongst men and infantilised parasitism amongst women that's still enormously prevalent today.
How many of us know women that seemingly drift through life aimlessly, crippled by feelings of insecurity and helplessness because of reasons they've never quite been able to understand? How many of us ARE those woman? This isn't about feminism, it's about true equality of the sexes in every sphere from social, intellectual etc.
I'm sorry but you have missed the point entirely
It's only missing the point if I purposefully decided to do WGTOW. Which I haven't, I just talking about how I don't have a lot of males in my life anyway, so I don't see what's so wrong if a woman decided to GTOW.>>4073
It's not really that exhausting. Friendship and romantic relationships are just putting in effort to get to know a person. If you don't want to get to know them, you just don't extend the effort.
>>4080>as it is learning to embrace an alternative way of living that doesn't rely on their presence the way it was previously necessary in order to survive.
I feel like most women I know in my age group (mid to early 20s) - and modern women in general - are encouraged to live/are living independent from men, be monetarily independent from men, not be a housewife/homemaker/stay-at-home mom, have a college education and legitimate career, do their own shit, expect men to carry their weight in chores and cooking, don't take shit when a man is rude, etc.
I get that WGTOW is a bit different than what I've described above, but I feel as if we're pushing towards something similar.
I've known women exactly like you describe who still cry about how they can't find a good man to date or whatever, which I suppose is the difference between them and WTGOW.
It's hilarious how many MGTOWs are in that subreddit, stalking and harassing these women. So much for men going their own way, kek. They're fucking obsessed with us
tbh this is what makes movements like WGTOW necessary and sad at the fact that they are necessary.
Men cannot comprehend the fact that women a) sometimes do not want to be around them and b) do not actually need them. They feel like women wouldn't survive without them and cannot grasp that women do not obsess or do not crave the company of men as much as men do women.
I've seen men outright refuse to believe that women can hang out together and have fun without bringing up men. They also fully believe that all women need men in their lives to be fulfilled.
both the male and female version of this seem utterly insane to me
>Do you think you could ever lead a life without participating in relationships and friendships with the opposite sex?
Relationships maybe but friendships no? My father did a majority of my parenting, my best friends are all male apart from one, my oldest friend is a man, everyone I'm friends with at uni is male…. as a concept this just seems really odd.
Maybe these people should realise their lives are shit because of them and not men, or women, or fucking whatever.
I wish people would be more accountable for themselves. If you're *~emotionally drained~* from being around men you probably just aren't attracting the right people… that or decent people stay the hell away from you ha
Not that this is necessarily you, but I totally felt this way when I was in high school, and it turned out that all my friends were really shitty people and I was just deeply in denial.
Since putting effort into making more female friends and being more selective and critical of my male friends I've been much much happier (although I'm not strictly a WGTOW myself)
Men are generally socialized with really shitty ideas of how they're supposed to treat others, especially women. That's not a "me" thing that's a "you" thing.
tbf men have done awful things to me before but my friends are the purest men. Perhaps it's the place we grew up but everyone is polite, respectable and elegant.
Women have also done awful things to me though. In retrospect, the people who did bad things were not from where I am from. I think it's obviously an upbringing thing, not a gender thing.
>suddenly gained a deep love for my hometown, bless this thread
I'd say half of my serious emotional trauma was inflicted by someone who was assigned female at birth, so it's true that non-men can also be awful, but they're not raised to be awful in quite the same way.
I'm glad you grew up somewhere nice, though. That sounds nice.
Man, if I was ever going to be a WGTOW it would have absolutely nothing to do with men in real life or how the people I know treat me. If anything has turned me off the male gender it's seeing them on the internet, where they can anonymously, honestly express themselves with zero social expectations or pressure. The things men say about us behind our backs are fucking appalling and they openly hate us for the most selfish, shallow reasons.
In real life, I find it hard to even imagine a man being mean to me because they're always trying to get girls on side. But these days I trust them about as far as I can throw them.
I always wondered if the men spewing sexist remarks online are the same as normal guys in real life. I can't tell if the ones online are just bitter social recluses or if men in general have some sort of hate for women buried deep in them. Unfortunately, a lot of the men I've met in real life haven't been normal guys and are usually fat autists who treat women like they're some sort of down syndrome animal which makes me physically sick to think about.
Be glad though. I know more male "feminists" and guys who say they're fair/not sexist/whatever who go around and say/do some pretty fucked up shit when they're not sharing "peace, luv, & liberal" shit on social media.
It's not the fat autists you have to worry about, it's the ones who seem normal or even sweet that in reality have toxic perceptions of women (and that eventually filters through to their actions).
Even sadder are men who are aware of how women are treated, yet they still treat women horribly because of internalized misogyny even though they genuinely believe otherwise.
I wouldn't call myself a WGTOW but I do tend to avoid making friends with men.
I don't think men are evil or anything, but in my experience it's near impossible to be JUST friends with them. Nearly every guy I befriend eventually tries his luck getting in my pants, despite knowing full well I am in a long term relationship.
In the span of six months I had one guy at uni telling me he loves me after only knowing me for a week. This same guy kept messaging my friend about me, asking her what he should talk to me about and telling her how much he likes me. This went on for several months.
Another guy I'd hung out with once the year before trying to invite himself over to my house, I told him no five times before he changed tactics to trying to invite me out for dinner instead. This guy had even met my boyfriend and even asked me how he was doing in the same conversation.
A third guy I'd met in a previous uni course decided I must be in love with him because I didn't want to participate in a conversation about him having a threesome with some girl and her boyfriend. Then started trying to impress me by blatantly lying about his qualifications and hobbies, at the same time he admitted to hitting his ex gf publicly on fb.
And finally a guy I knew from highschool wanted to hang out on his birthday. It was actually a really fun time before he leaned in to kiss me.
Again, every single one of these guys knew I was already with someone. I make a point of talking about my boyfriend any and every time it's appropriate (i.e. telling highschool stories I'll mention some of my bfs highschool escapades). It's easier for me to just hold men at arms length, be casual acquaintances and leave it at that.
>>Anyone who actively shits on/stereotypes either gender despite both being about an equal amount of the entire human population has serious issues they need to work on in themselves.
>>Humans beings are complex
you can't have it both ways
the women who GTOW are, as you say, complex and have complex, individual reasons for doing it
That's just twisting my post around and cherrypicking. When trying this hard, you could also point out the hypocrisys in any post in this thread and wgtow's posts too. You can't have it both ways. :)
>actively choosing to avoid women
That's what they tell themselves. It is not the truth.
MGTOW is an incel coping strategy. WGTOW is VERY voluntary.
It's crazy obnoxious and makes you look like a shitter, which you're probably not irl.
That too, but I'm ngl I use emoticons myself sometimes, I just try to use them appropriately. It drives me nuts when I see people debating and one of them starts pulling out this obnoxious bullshit:>oh sweety>honey>princess>look here cupcake>;o)>;-D>:^)
It's like they're trying way too hard to come across as blasé, when really you can tell their emotions are getting in the way of their conviction.
I think only emojis are against the rules, no? And obnoxious weeb shit like ^.^ o.o XDDDDD
I think an innocent :( or stuff like that now and then is unharmful.
>>4102>>4106>I think an innocent :( or stuff like that now and then is unharmful.
It's not "Unharmful" we're on an image board, if you want to convey an emotion use a reaction image. It goes against the whole spirit of the site's format.
would u knock it off? why are you so mad that someone wrote a smiley face? cringe.
You're linking two separate people but I'm not mad, I just don't see a necessity for the cattiness. The retarded emoticons and disparaging namecalling is exactly why women being incapable of engaging in proper debate is such a widespread stereotype.
Freaking out over a :) doesn't make you much better, anon
Who's freaking out? Are you the Anon that posted the >. :) ? You seem awfully sensitive on the subject lmao
No I'm not. Can we all just move on? Christ.
please go back to lolcow with this tinfoil hat stuff. everyone else is over it except you. you're the most sensitive person itt
Anonymous Moderator 4115
Please move on, thank you.
Ladies, please control yourselves and form a line if you wanna shag this alpha MGTOW
BUZZWORDS BUZZWORDS BUZZWORDS
Oh, by the way, does your wife let you stand up while peeing?
Honestly I'm glad men like this are voluntarily removing themselves from the gene pool, it makes our job much easier
To be honest, he himself said he is gay, and plenty of gay people have kids. Some adopt, some rent a womb and use their own genetic material.
I don't really have anything against gay people having kids or adopting, not talking about the specific person in that image but in general.
He sounds bi or a straight dude in denial
>>4116>>4117> women can't keep their hands off me> but I'm tired of being shamed by women> I PEE STANDING UP
Yeah okay, sure, please go your own way and leave us women alone. I don't want to waste my time tip toeing around such fragile masculinity.
If only it was seriously an option for me to never have to interact with males I would but that's kind of difficult and we live in a world where you need to get along with the opposite sex in order to get things done in life. Even if the only men in my life are gay.
I go to a women's college and it's the best damn decision I ever made.
I think it's good because having a man around when you have mood swings, migraine, period, is quite unconvenient.
Not sure but probably something in the humanities.>inb4 unemployment
It is an absolute waste of a degree. Not only will it be difficult for you to land a job, or even a decent paying job (unless you have connections already), it's a waste in the sense that Humanities majors don't make any real beneficial impacts for significant local or world problems. You're using tax payers money probably for financial aid. If more people understood how many people like yourself waste it, a mob would appear outside the White House within a day demanding change. Think it over.(YOU CAN'T SIT WITH US)
I wish these existed for STEM majors, in CS and hate the sexually charged atmosphere.
1. What the fuck
2. I'm not sucking on the government teat, I have a scholarship and me and my parents are paying for the rest.>>14027
My college has a CS major and I think most women's colleges do.
Now I feel like I fucked up lmao
and don't listen to the humanities basher anon, I sometimes wish I had chosen one of those those majors myself. I love reading and analysis. It's sad how in STEM actual reasoning and writing is neglected so much, when someone in a STEM major claims they know how to write, usually it means they are capable of creating a mid-tier high school paper, kek.
random but i noticed white women get bullied for not being skinny way more than any other race does.
If you mean low tier engineering jobs, sure. But to say>Reasoning is neglected in STEM
is one of THE dumbest things I've heard. I bet you never went further than a statistics class anyway.
The reasoning is objective in numbers and cuts the fat of writing. It leaves less room.for writing. What do you think made this civilization you so arrogantly live in?
@all male scum in this thread please log out of here and then log out of life.
I'm a third year CS major, no idea why you're being so cunty.
>The reasoning is objective in numbers and cuts the fat of writing
This doesn't mean a person is well-equipped to analyze an article, form an opinion, and defend their position well.
>>14040>What do you think made this civilization you so arrogantly live in?
A multitude of people with varied backgrounds, including humanities.
But femanon don't you know that MEN made EVERYTHING about civilization!!! MEN are the one who raped and impregnated and abused and murdered your female ancestors, aren't you grateful you cunt?!?!
Not for me but sounds like a good lifestyle choice for others who find it appealing. You can do a lot of good for the world with your life without being tied to a relationship, makes it easier to go do things like volunteer for the Peace Corps that involve a lot of traveling and helping the most oppressed people living in poverty in the world.
>>14040>The reasoning is objective in numbers>The reasoning is objective
Then it's not reasoning at all now, is it?
>What do you think made this civilization you so arrogantly live in?
What do you think made the very method you so arrogantly defend as the only true one?
I'll never understand STEM students who belittle humanities, the very scientific method they consider the be-all end-all was created by the "humanities".
I actually think people who values STEM above all else are the dumbest of all, simply because they subscribe to a specific line of thought and believe it to be correct and absolute without ever questioning it or even entertaining the notion that there might be something more to things than empirical observation and numbers. This particular kind of blindness is embarrassing and the ultimate sign that someone is an idiot. The fact that they can't write a convincing argument that doesn't rely on data to save their lives and are thus unable to even defend their beliefs is the icing on the retardation cake.
It gets even better when they claim it's possible to derive morality from science.
Wow look at all the men role-playing as women.
I just find it funny how so many of them believe the "men are better suited to quantitative methods" meme is biological fact.
MGTOW and WGTOW are all about stereotypes. Women are known for being too emotional and men are known for being too lustful, junk like that just isn't true for a lot of people. I find it shocking that these people who are going their own way believe that women and men are all the same and have never met someone who's outside the stereotype. Humans in general are not perfect and expecting them to be is setting yourself for disappointment.
Isn't the entire idea of "going your own way" flawed given that such a thing is letting the opposite sex influence you in a really fundemental way?
i mean the whole site is basically tranny central.
where'd you come across it, OP?
In theory not really, unless you consider the opposite sex very important to begin with, giving them up is not a big loss or a hard decision. You consider them a negative influence on your life, so you don't bother. Pretty easy. The only reason it seems like a radical decision to avoid relationships is because society expects you to strongly want one.
In reality, MGTOWs spend all their time raging about women and are indeed very affected by them. I don't think there's enough WGTOWs to comment on them in general.
>women go wgtow just because they live in an echo chamber and get brainwashed by mentally unstable women and spend their days screaming about how much they hate men
I'm too needy and wouldn't like to live like that. I don't like being around men much and mostly dislike them like any reasonable person does, but I can't be single for eternity and I'm not gay.
There is more to life than having love like that, but to me it will always be main point.
Eh? But there's same gendered relationships.
I mean even platonic relationships are fulfilling. Although it does get a lot harder when your friends pair off and you're the only single one left.
I wish there was more information provided by OP on this. I wonder if there are any irl communities like this. I will update this thread as I find more information ~
What more information do you need? It just means you don't care about interacting with men any more than you need to.
This is what I dislike about these movements, MGTOW and WGTOW alike. If you were truly an independent person who's not concerned with what others think and just care about living your own life, you wouldn't care about being involved with communities of any other (M/W)GTOW people. People who identify with these groups are just replacing being dependent on one group of people with being dependent on another different group of people, probably out of personal spite at the first group and their inability to get along with them.
You're missing the point. It's not about being completely independent and avoiding relying on other people for support, there is literally nothing wrong with that. It's just about not being in a relationship or getting married because you think it will have a negative impact on your life. Other relationships, whether it's friends, family, or just an online community of likeminded people, are important for general wellbeing and that's especially true when you're doing something out of the ordinary like staying single for the rest of your life. There is a fuckload of pressure on people to date and get married, and it's perfectly natural to want to discuss it with people doing the same thing as you instead of being surrounded by nothing but judgement and negativity from others. If the MGTOW community could exist without revolving entirely around misogyny, I wouldn't begrudge them that. WGTOW doesn't have anywhere near the popularity or recognition and we should have other women to discuss it with.
Women did it before men, second wave feminist separatists had similar ideas
I generally don't like talking to men but I have a boyfriend and there are a couple guy friends I have that I like
there are way more lustful men than over-emotional women
wgtows dont spend their time sperging about men though and making them the center of their attention like mgtows do though. spinsters and cat ladies have existed forever and they bothered no one.
We reviving this thread?
Personally I legitimately do not like spending time with men, the only male I have ever liked being around was my uncle. Would rather spend time hanging around my female friends any day. There is no reason to make WGTOW into a movement though, just abstain from sex and relationships if you want to and go about the rest of your life as usual.
WGTOW is just radical feminism and lesbian activism. And the funny thing is that it actually works, because women are socialized properly. MGTOWs spend all day crying about how they don't need women, being miserable without them in their life.
So it's separatist feminism, which has literally been around for over 50 years.
Not really. Just women avoiding man. Im not feminist or lesbian. And im wgtow…also i'm still virgin and i have pretty traditional world views. Btw i don't care about it lol. Im just scared of men and women i also support the mgtow idea. Now gtfo and go live your own way. :) i do hate modern society anyway…
Cus they rly left me no choice but celibate.
Based and animepilled.
I personally prefer tsundere 2D boys. No tsundere 3D man will ever come close or rather most 3D men are only tsun-tsun, they're too heartless to be dere-dere.