/feels/ - Advice & Venting

Beautifying yourself is not a humiliation ritual. Beauty is good. But if you hate a certain medium through which it can be attained you should not force yourself. Make up really is art…even the simple looks because it requires practise and not everything goes on everyone. You can try other things that can elevate your looks. Also have you thought of investing in the quality of make up you use? Learning a good base is important. You can take a course from pros if you want

>>121760
i dont really want to ever use make up
every time ive used it so far is because i was supposed to
even if i could make myself look good with makeup i wouldnt
it really does feel wrong to me and i cant understand women that like it
its gives me "eyeliner so sharp that could stab a misogynist" empowerment vibes

>>121761
That is your choice and you shd stand by it! It will take time but once you will get comfortable with not wearing make up it will feel good

I grew up on a farm, where I needed to slather on sunscreen every day, so had never even worn makeup, except some foundation and blush for a wedding photo because I'm very pale. I went to uni without ever wearing any, but I got an office job after graduating and was very condescendingly told by HR on my first day that my lack of makeup and style of dress were distracting my coworkers and was unacceptable, like she was informing me I stank of BO and needed to shower more. I knew I wasn't beautiful before that, and that I wasn't fashionable, but I'd never, even by scorned and jilted men, been told I was so ugly as to NEED makeup to not be a disgusting eyesore. I was almost in tears on the way home and had to buy some basics, but when I applied them I looked like a fucking clown, so I applied as little and lightly as possible, but still got pulled into HR the next day and was berated for being ugly AT people. That gave me such an incredible complex. My wholly male department seemed very nice to me, but I knew they all felt I was distractingly hideous and remained really cold to them for almost 6 months. Then I managed to see who'd made all these complaints about me; the same 3 women who'd constantly nag me about "girls your age" and talk around the fact they felt I'd stolen their promotion. I thought they were happy for me, that we were standing in solidarity in a 90% male workplace, but they'd been bullying me by proxy all along, and HR went along with it. I just stopped wearing makeup and went back to the bare minimum dress requirements, got pulled up by HR and told her to take it up with my boss, who could not give a single fuck what I looked like.

I apply the bare minimum if I need to be in a picture or be seen by a lot of people, but otherwise I just don't because it does feel humiliating. I'll always be reminded that I'm only doing it so I won't be mocked by other women for not complying with the standard they set.

If you don't like it then don't wear it, as someone who doesn't wear make up at all, from my experience no one will give a fuck and if somebody has had a problem with it they never told me or the complaints never reached back to me, don't care either way.
Maybe I'm just dumb but I really don't see how it's supposed to make you fit in better tbh, I think a woman would have to be a vapid loser bitch to fixate on that in the first place and moids are infamously bad at telling whethersomeone has make up on or not, I think you're good.

My condolences. I have literally never regularly worn makeup in my entire adult life. The only thing I normally put on my face is sunscreen. Obviously my situation is probably different from yours; many people have to present a certain appearance for work and being part of society. That said, I think you should try and find friends who you don't need to wear makeup around.
>>121772
>I stank of BO and needed to shower more
LOL I think you may have been hyperfixating on the makeup part of what they were saying. They wanted you to wipe your ass and show up to work in something that wasn't sweat pants and a tshirt.

>>121772
>>121783
Never mind, I'm retarded and misread your post. Sounds like you just had shitty coworkers.
I bet you'd get some good laughs out of the office if you showed up in actual clown makeup the next time they bitch at you about not being a vapid cunt like them.

I try to get into makeup every few years but I always look like a desperate clown in the mirror so I wipe it off and give up. Trying to hide one's ugliness is more humiliating than just being openly ugly and not giving a shit.

I see all sorts of crazy transformations online and I wish I could look like someone else too, but I've accepted that you still need a specific kind of face that agrees with makeup, and that a lot of those tricks don't work under natural or overhead lighting anyway.

>>121759
Don't fit in, stand out
It's the lack of confidence when you're not wearing any that makes you awkward, not the lack of makeup itself

If you are indeed rejected from a social group because of this it's a blessing not a curse, why tf would you want to be friends with people so shallow?
>>121772
This can't be real, reads like a fanfic

>>121760
Make up isn't art, it's a clown mask, it's society making you believe that your bare face is flawed and ugly, that you should feel bad with yourself for daring to go outside without hiding it, that you're you're dirty and unprofessional. There's nothing artistic about hiding every single feature that makes you you and looking like a carbon copy blow up doll like everyone else. You can't cry, you can't drink, you can't laugh, because "oh no, what if my make up gets ruined!" Make up prevents women from LIVING. Ask yourself why it's only women that are coerced and socialized to hate their faces and always paint themselves, to have panic attacks at the mere idea of going out and being seen without it, ask yourself why almost no man gets told the same, why they aren't seen as unkept or unprofessional or ugly. They can just go out into the world as they are and they'll still get respected, still get hired, still be thought of as hot, or at the very least just remain neutral. Men aren't spending all their saving on products worth thousands just to be "presentable", they aren't spending an unholy amount of time "getting ready", all it takes is being clean and dressing properly and that's it. Ask yourself why. Think of all the things you could accomplish if you started loving yourself while also saving time and money.

Makeup is just the modern day western equivalent of wearing a hijab. Except you're not expected to cover yourself as protection, you're expected to doll yourself up for male gaze.
The only reason makeup isn't as bad is because the pressure to wear it is merely implicit.

i used to feel that way when i wore unflattering makeup. i first started wearing makeup for a job interview at 19, but i found that if done correctly it actually made me feel more put together the same way that putting on nice clothes does. but there were many things that were quite unflattering on me that looked good on other girls. examples being darkening my brows/using any brow product so now i wont rlly touch them, any lip product that isnt glossy, sheer and light, as well as thick foundation so now i use korean cushion foundation. but needless to say, it took a little bit of trial and error to get there and now i wear very light/natural makeup but if you dont want to wear it then dont. i caved into pressure and i always wear it for classes and such, but if im just going to the grocery store i wont bother.