/feels/ - Advice & Venting

they are too busy having sex to think about the intricacies of consumerist behavior and saving money or whatever

thinkpads are just better

>>122992
>they are too busy having sex to think about the intricacies of consumerist behavior and saving money or whatever

a few might be busy having sex. i've seen one cutie prance around today, bathing in male attention and her hips were shaking so wide while walking that i was surprised she even moved forwards and not just side to side. but most are tricked into this idea that a better life waits for them in the future and they need to be strict and concentrated to reach it. my guess is there is not as much sex going on in reality as in your imagination.

so for them there is no excuse not to think about the intricacies because consumer culture surrounds you. it would be odd to consider yourself an intellectual and never wonder about it.

i chuckle at you using the term "save money" because it is built on top of layers of illusion. this makes me wonder if you "save money" in one area of your life to spend more in another area of your life, which is rather utility maximizing behavior. if you only need 10% of the money to pay for something, why would you not just work something that pays 90% less and have a better life because that job would be less cruel, inhumane and disgusting? if the stuff you buy costs less, then you don't have to prostitute yourself on the jobmarket as hard.

i guess you have too much sex to think that far.

>>122993
>thinkpads are just better

what's the downside? what is it that the thinkpad can't do that the 1500€ instagram machine can do? being a status symbol? but i don't even believe my worth is tied to material objects. i get when someone who is a believer in status symbols wants expensive things to show off and impress others, but what about everyone else?

>>122996
well, you can't be an intellectual and know EVERYTHING. you will whether you want it or not specialize and focus on different parts of life
you can't expect everyone to sink as much time as you do on your computer hobbies and feeling superior over this is silly. that was kinda the point of my post. most people just need a working nice looking shitbox at the end of the day and nobody except /g/ autistics cares about how optimized their choice of a laptop is.

>>123001
>well, you can't be an intellectual and know EVERYTHING. you will whether you want it or not specialize and focus on different parts of life

so you're an expert on what is possible, oh how lucky i am to be in your presence wise one.

>you can't expect everyone to sink as much time as you do on your computer hobbies

i did spend a lot of time on it recently but that is only because i met cool people who studied programming and they helped me just with a few details and i am upgrading technology in my life. they were helpful and i found out a lot myself and instantly found ways to help the people around me. this was beautiful community action, it was not a "sink of time" it was me living my best life plus uplifting others along the way.

>and feeling superior over this is silly.

so finding better ways of doing things, that's bad and you don't want that? go it. very important detail about your identity on an anonymous imageboard; important character building right there! no nonsense person detected, better nobody try anything funny around you or they gonna get it!

>that was kinda the point of my post.

if you say so 🙄.

>most people just need a working nice looking shitbox at the end of the day and nobody except /g/ autistics cares about how optimized their choice of a laptop is.

most people just need a nice looking knife to cut their apples at the end of the day, who cares if it is sharp, only people who actually work care about a tool that helps get the job done because normal people are busy having sex.

>>123006
oh ok

>>123018
what's g?

>>122991
>intelligent
>university
LOL
What a joke
Keep in mind that having a decent laptop does not absolve you from being a retarded normie (which you probably are). You're probably just desperate to separate yourself from the crowd that you know you're a part of.

My bf bought one of those expensive gaming laptop while already having a beefy pc. I don't think I've seen him actually play anything on it and every other week he's complaining that something's wrong with it.

>>123038
>Keep in mind that having a decent laptop does not absolve you from being a retarded normie

😱 oh thank god you came spiderman, people were beginning to forget but luckily you came and saved the day. no forgetting on your watch and if anyone tries something funny with you, they're gonna get it.

>>123039
from the outside to me it looks like people are more or less tricked into these dedicated game computers that turn out to create a lot of headache when simpler solutions exist. i guess you'd have to be conscious of what you really need it for, what you really want and how much you really end up using it; which is all hard to tell beforehand. if those aspects are known to be able to find simple self-tailored ways of approaching it. i guess usually the aspects aren't known and trusting the market instead of buying preowned can turn out to be mistake more often then not.

The used laptop market in Finland has gone to shit after everyone started buying them. I personally use a t430 that i got for 180€ from a used laptop markets outlet, which is an outrageous price for a laptop from 2012 that cannot run Windows.

I wish normies would go back to buying shitty market pcs and leave the used business laptops for people who actually need them for engineering homework.

>>123043
Forgot to add: can't even buy a laptop from elsewhere other than maybe Sweden as Europeans are such special snowflakes that basically every country has their own standard for keyboards to accommidate for special letters such as the åäö in both finnish and swedish

>>123043

i finally looked into something i saw the young people use a few times: portable monitors. not sure how long this has been going on but i just found out about it yesterday. turns out there are these new kind of monitors that use very little electricity, so little that they can be powered with usb so you can use a powerbank to power them…

>>123043
…and then there are these new kind of mini pcs. i have not looked into them yet but my guess is that there are probably some that are also quite efficient and maybe some can be easily powered by usb too.

>>123043
here you can see one of those mini pcs attached to the backside of a monitor. does look good to me.

>>123043

Finland here is why i am spamming you with this:

if you have a portable monitor, a portable mini-pc and you have a powerbank that you use to power them both then all you need to turn this into a laptop is a suitcase. just find a way to attach everything and you have a laptop, probably one that is better then a boring normie laptop.

>>123044

>basically every country has their own standard for keyboards to accommidate for special letters such as the åäö

no problem at all, just use a regular keyboard in the size you like in your language and attach it with usb and put in the suitcase.

and then when you find one you like more, you can just switch it out as long as it fits in the case, so no more being stuck with a keyboard you don't like.

this clear one does look nice to me though i think i'd prefer something a bit more elegant and inconspicuous in a nice rounder case or bag that matches my favorite outfit. i think the idea is fun to carry something around that doesn't look like a laptop and then turns out to be one.

so far i have not found a mini-pc that can be powered by usb directly.

i know there are singleboard computers like the raspberry pi that can be powered by usb easily but my guess would be they are probably too weak for a lot of users and for that low performance the price isn't all that affordable.

maybe a better approach would be to search for a used machine: a more modern laptop that can be powered by usb but has a broken screen so can be bought quite affordibly and then put this into the suitcase with the portable monitor.

i dunno, just brainstorming here, trying to give Finland some inspiration. i'm glad i have the one from the op but i'm keeping an eye out for nice briefcases and suitcases just in cases something happens to it. the older i get, the bigger of a screen i appreciate. i notice they sell portable screen as big as 24inch so maybe a bigger travel suitcase😅. imagine me stepping into the library with a suitcase and then popping it open to reveal the largest laptop you have ever seen 🤣

heh i chuckled at this. but to have this in laptopshape seems silly to me. this might be the [biggest] laptop but not the [biggest actually pleasant to use in the real world] laptop. i rather have it in a suitcase that has wheels so i can easily bring it with me by rolling it around.

now that's what i'm talking about. i wouldn't have build it inside this boring briefcase but i like the idea. i think i rather have this over a normal laptop.

something like that but in a case i like. i have to go to bed now, good luck Finland!

I have a 15yo x220 I still use for drawing (:

>>123060
i have not found a tablet for ebook reading that i could stand for almost a decade now. probably i should just try to find a x220 with the nice reversible touchscreen instead and call it a day.

>>123070
>just try to find a x220t

turns out those aren't easy to find😅

>>123092
kek

>>123092
🥳😆 i wish i knew more tech like that. old, cheap, sturdy, reliable, mostly self-repairable. too bad they don't make water kettles, juicers and blenders like that.

>>123048
Those "mini" pcs are mostly dogshit. You're suggesting something that will be more annoying, significantly heavier, and significantly less capable than a laptop. If you're going to build something, why not just build a desktop into a briefcase? At least that has a use case (haha "CASE" LOL) and it's something that plenty of people already do. I could probably even fit one of my ITX PCs into a small, fashionable, briefcase.
I love my T480 and I love my X1, but I still have a macbook simply for the portability.

>>122991
There is no need for such a device at uni. I just scribble everything important into my notebook. It also helps retaining the information put down there. People who type every word down during lectures are brainrot NPC autists

>>123160
>Those "mini" pcs are mostly dogshit. You're suggesting something that will be more annoying, significantly heavier, and significantly less capable than a laptop.

what is the significantly decreased capability? i was hoping it could be something in between a desktop and a laptop, still being somewhat portable and power-efficient but stonger then a raspberry-pi. i've seen a mini pc that had 3 slots for the modern ssd-harddrives and 2 accessible slots for small notebook-memory on the underside; that kind of charmed me. my guess was pros would use notebook mainboards in that case but i guess you are right, there probably isn't a good reason not to use regular small desktop components at this point other then the need for an actual power supply that has different power outputs. i was hesitant to consider it because i still believe notebook components might be more power efficient so my powerbank would last longer but it is probably smarter just to use weaker desktop components instead.

>If you're going to build something, why not just build a desktop into a briefcase? At least that has a use case (haha "CASE" LOL) and it's something that plenty of people already do. I could probably even fit one of my ITX PCs into a small, fashionable, briefcase.

that does sound kind of cool; that would mean to be able to access and switch out every component, not just a few convenient ones.

>I love my T480 and I love my X1, but I still have a macbook simply for the portability.

could you please recommend me something specifically for reading ebooks? i really don't like android and ios devices, they depress me. i saw one of the programmers carry around a small GPD Pocket 3, which i thought was cool because it was a regular computer but the screen could turn and flip onto the tiny cute keyboard and turn the whole thing into a touchscreen device which would be perfect for reading if it wasn't so small (and expensive!).

>>123021
always on top

>>123167
>what is the significantly decreased capability?
It depends significantly based on what you're comparing and your use case, but you'll generally have a worse cpu, less memory, poor thermals, greater power consumption etc. What problem are you trying to solve?
>could you please recommend me something specifically for reading ebooks?
ipad (or other tablet) or a kindle (e-ink reader). I use both, and they work great. What's so depressing about them?

>>123189
It depends significantly based on what you're comparing and your use case, but you'll generally have a worse cpu, less memory, poor thermals, greater power consumption etc. What problem are you trying to solve?
>what are your weaknesses?
>kelly kapoor: i don't have any, asshole!

i like using thinkpad, i could use them until the end of time but i think in the longterm i'd prefer to build my own portable computer into a suitcase with just a regular usb keyboard and a bigger screen, which i then will probably appreciate the older i get. i think one of these modern portable screens that run on usb is the way to go and now i wonder what actual computer to put in there.

>singleboard computer
>mini-pc
>old laptop mainboard
>regular selfbuilt computer with the new small sized mainboards like you mentioned

the latest raspberry pi is barely strong enough that it would be enough for me, though i do appreciate sorting mails and copying files around on a slightly elevated refresh-rate (1920*1080, 120Hz) display.

>could you please recommend me something specifically for reading ebooks?
ipad (or other tablet) or a kindle (e-ink reader). I use both, and they work great. What's so depressing about them?

i don't like these perfect, thin-looking, hard to repair consumer devices that use apps. i hate using a smartphone, i think i have to get one of them GPDs and then i don't need to carry around a smartphone anymore. i just hate the modern digital consumercattle culture, i vibe more with the amish…

>>123215
Do you actually want advice or are you just here to argue in bad faith? If you're fine with your current laptop, why do you need to buy more? If an rbpi is enough for your needs, a thinkpad should more than exceed those requirements. If you want to be amish, my recommendation is to stop pursuing the purchase of computers for a start. In general, just stop buying new stuff you don't need. You seem to fail to see the terrible tragic irony in your statement:
>i just hate the modern digital consumercattle culture
When you're the one who's needlessly dissatisfied with the items you own, making purchasing decisions based on "culture" or "aesthetics," and obsessed over buying new things. It's as if you want to buy a computer as a fashion statement for social leverage, not a tool.

>>123217
what are you talking about with all your sudden negativity, you act like i called your baby ugly.

I was just like you nona.
For university I would carry a massive refurbished laptop that let me do everything I needed.

But now as a rich nona, I like having a light laptop to carry with me. It is easy to remote into home desktop today. I have an MSI laptop now because it handles my gaming and design stuff.

>>123233
i don't know anything about msi laptops though they i have not seen them mentioned around repair-friends so i assume they are made for consumers, not for users.

makes me worry that they are not made so that stuff can be easily swapped out though they are probably so powerful that you wouldn't even want to. so while upgrading might not be that important, what if something easy breaks, do you then give it to some service? that would bother me when i could just replace it myself. i guess you don't mind trusting your laptop with authorized service personal every time it fails. i get the impulse of wanting to pay to make problems go away but every time you do that, you become entangled harder with consumerism.

what i don't get is accepting laptop keyboards though. they are so much worse then actual keyboards. maybe you don't type that much.

>>123240
nonas daily schedule:
4 hours of repairing laptops
4 hours of searching for cheap laptops
4 hours of occasionally checking and posting on cc
8 hours uni
4 hours sleep

>>123241
>4 hours of repairing laptops

i'm trying to imagine a life in which 4hours daily laptop repair would be necessary and the only thing i can come up with is being a mobile dj in a warzone.

i once saw this short video clip of a dj dude with a laptop suspended from his chest on a little table where he also had a little electric piano and modern sythesizer buttons and probably a small dj controller. almost a small desk worth of colorful blinking audio equipment somehow attached to a backwards backpack. so the dude would come up to people in newyork and would just lay down beats for random people so they can rap. now imagine this in a warzone, a mobile dj dogging the bullets and debris while making music and then a bullet hits the screen or some falling concrete chunk knocks out the dj controller and then you get your 4 hours of daily repair 😂

>>123240
I do like thinkpad keyboards out of most laptops.
Yeah lot of stuff is not easily swapped out, but I am fine to pay away my problems now. I generally haven't had an issue though.

>>123263
lucky you. i spend ~2 hours disassembling the thinkpad and i am stuck getting the heatfan off because the screw was stuck and now i stripped the screw. now i'm waiting to bother the experts with this. kind of a chore tinkering with this but also i am learning so i am not complaining. i am so lucky to have people who are willing to help with small hurdles like that. i watched videos in the background and it was clumsy but educational.

>>123221
What's this about negativity? Projection?
You're the one talking about your "hate" and "don't like" while ignoring the contents of my replies lol
>>123339
I think you're genuinely having a skill issue. What are you trying to do? Are you just disassembling your PC for fun (based)?
An important part of handling/repairing PC hardware is that there's genuinely an iq and experience requirement (albeit a low one) that a lot of people simply aren't capable of passing, thus making the choice of a "repairable thinkpad" over a regular consumer device pointless, so be careful. This isn't targeted at you, just people reading this thread as a whole.

>>123362
>while ignoring

you therapist gets rich listening to your low quality rambles and i am supposed to do it for free? no deal.

>>123362
>is that there's genuinely an iq and experience requirement

i get what you are saying. i was talking to the experts about this 20yo guy that has business with my parents who i only know from barely being able to write an email to my parents because he only knows how to use the phone and most of the consumer apps are complete garbage. he couldn't even make a screenshot of this mail he needed help with in a way that would show the date (so it can potentially used as evidence in court documents). now that was his fault but also the fault of the garbage app from the free email he was using.

no big deal right? he could just log into his email from the browser of his laptop and take the screenshot from a bigger screen so it has the date visible, right? WRONG! HE DOES NOT EVEN HAVE A LAPTOP. just a phone.

i was thinking this unfortunate lost soul needs a laptop and i know how to get a cheap laptop. why not give the little fool a laptop so he does not have to live in digital poverty. parents said he would probably be too dumb to use it and just sell it to bet on sports. experts said it is probably too difficult for him to get into it.

i get it but what all you digital gatekeepers have to keep in mind is that there are video tutorials now. there is a decent chance that whatever someone is trying to do without a clue has a matching video where the thing is explained.

so i dunno if that is still true what you say with the iq. it keeps getting easier to get into things that were considered too complicated. this iq might not even be that important anymore and a dumb person with time management skills outperforms more intelligent person easily.

>>123363
>you therapist gets rich listening to your low quality rambles and i am supposed to do it for free? no deal.
it's time to return the favor nona.

>>123364
i'm not done using the lip plate though.

Old thinkpads are only good if you lucked on the hardware. They are sturdy and have good keyboards and screens but if you get one with top of the line configuration you will suffer. I have 2 thinkpads. One is old gen4 i7 with a quadro card it must have costed a fortune when new. The quadro card is slower then today amd integrated graphics and the cpu is power hungry too. >120w only to be slower in both GPU and GPU to 25w modern laptop with AMD processor that runs ice cold. The second I got brand new and is 2 years old now it is ultra thin integrated graphics so you think it will run cool. Nope. They made the cooling quiet but the underside gets so hot you can't touch it after 30-40 minutes of work. Somehow they made the worst ultrabook out of all the competition.

>>123368
it seems like keeping the thing cool is something the laptop manufacturers aren't all that good at. the fans of old laptops are often loud, they didn't seem to think this was important. judging based on the few disassembled laptops i have seen, the entire cooling seems like an afterthought.

recently i watched a review video of the framework laptop, the big one. they have the fans inside a what functions like a little cuttlery-drawer for the gpu, so they can be easily taken out and the cpu has heatpipes bringing the heat there. seems big enough to keep the thing cool.

i'd totally like to have one but i can't justify spending 2000€ on a new laptop (even though it is amazingly thought-out and represents everything i want a laptop to be) when i can have one for 150€ + a little refurbishing work. disassembling mine was a chore, though educational.

>>123592
Never heard of framework, might look them up it 2-3 years when I need new laptop. The laptop I was happiest was my first laptop - old acer travelmate, it was very cool and had keyboard almost as good as thinkpad. I suspect it was cool because the CPU was the probably weak - dual core when the others were quad so the cooling was keeping with temperature without problems.

>>123662
>Never heard of framework

while big corporations realized that it is more profitable to make devices harder to repair by engineering it to be difficult to repair on purpose AND by paying the factories who make their parts extra to ensure nobody esle is allowed to purchase spare parts framework did the exact opposite. they came up with laptops that are as easy to repair as possible and they are making the parts available.

one cool thing they came up with is their expansion slots. when you purchase a laptop you have 4 or 6 expansion slots and those allow you to choose exactly what kind of ports you have so you don't end up with ports you don't want while some you need are missing. i don't think anyone else has this and it is genius.

>>123681
Making laptops thin and lightweight brought us here. An extreme example is the 2015 macbook that one that introduced rose color scheme and in a later iteration the butterfly switch keyboard that was btfo by mere dust. Corporations hid their ill intentions you mentioned under the guise of thinness and people fell for it. Think about the thin smartphones that were bent because people had them in their pockets and sat on them

>>123684
>under the guise of thinness and people fell for it

yeah. the manufacturers act like they are innocent and were merely trying to reduce the size and weight of the load the poor students had to carry in their backpack. that's not all they were doing.

i love how my old laptop battery type does not use pouch cells and instead has the round 18650 typical battery shape. i have seen so many pictures of pouch cells being swollen.

>>123363
You asked lmao
Why are you so angry?
>>123684
>>123717
Are you guys unaware that you don't represent the majority of consumers? Normies want "big screen" and "thin computer" and nothing else. They will just buy whatever gives them the most social points.

Framework is neat, but at the end of the day, it's just more gimmicky consumer-junk designed to be a fashion statement. They're just appealing to "tinkerers", because they realized that people LARPing as computer nerds are an unexploited market. For example, their desktop line is an absolute joke.

There's more to "repairability" than just being able to take it apart and buy parts (albeit that is a big hurdle for some products). Framework laptops are "repairable" but at the cost of a greatly overpriced ecosystem (For the cost of one of their laptops you could've bought multiple old thinkpads, for example) and there's more to repair-ability than just being able to take it apart and having the company sell you spare display hinges. The build quality is supposedly pretty mediocre, especially for the price. You're also fucked for spare parts when the company inevitably keels over because their volume is shit compared to something like IBM or Lenovo which shit out millions of thinkpads for enterprise use which can all be cannibalized for parts and the Chinese factories keep making off-brand spare parts because they have a ton of tooling and leftover stock with loads of demand for parts from nerds with thinkpads. That said, for what it's worth, framework is certainly doing better than something like ARA/Phonebloks.

I realize that a lot of the "right to repair" shit has people dogpiling against modern consumer electronics which are difficult or impossible to open up with firmware that refuses to accept new parts, but the solution to that isn't a violent reaction in the other direction, but to reform product demand. People love to shit on manufacturers because they think "the consumer" is people like them (individuals, home users, etc.) but the real force behind the "thinner and lightweight" trend is enterprise users. It is the "big companies" at fault, but it's not the manufacturer; it's the procurement bitch at the marketing firm buying 10,000 iMacs.

>>124016
I’m not reading this all

>>122991
nona why are you being so hostile to everyone ITT