/feels/ - Advice & Venting

>Even my friends who fit the patriarchal male gaze to an absolute T (virgin, quiet, submissive) are getting stepped on.
They have always been the first to get stepped on. That's why it's the patriarchal ideal lol.

Don't have an opinion on your actual question though.

>>123286
>In no particular order the following occurs: love bombing, ghosting, mirroring, hot/cold method.
holy shit, youre right. oh well, i just use men for money ive given up on love kek

>>123288
I cant bring myself to do this cus I imagine they'll be even more angrier than normal if you dont give them what they want asap

>>123289
some men associate their ability to provide so closely with their masculinity that they'll be overtly generous just from receiving non-sexual female attention. at least this is how my last relationship went down. though he did admit he got sexually aroused from sending me money. but love? unless a guy has been properly vetted just assume hes subhuman trash who doesnt deserve love.
i know some women who are in happy marriages/relationships where they barely have any complaints and whats funny is that they arent top tier stacies either, one of them is fat

capitalism has commodified everything.
Generally society tends to improve itself… If you look for a relentless force that eats everything with no stoppage, there is only capitalism. Emotion and being are not subjects of philosophies anymore, it's a commodity for self care books and online formations.
Sex is no more the creative bond of two beings, original and emergent of the specifics of the people involved, it's a consumer media through porn, and a way to obtain social status and dopamine…
Everything is atomized and packaged into boxes of premade meaning, no place for art, singularity, subversion in a discourse commanded by box-making algorithms…

Death of the specific and alive. Except if you join the little isslaand of "anarchists", people who are worthless in the productive society, and live as vacationers, their own. Diogenes might have been too idealistic and ascetic, but he is very close to authenticity. We might look into his followers, Crates, Hipparchia, the fart man metrocles, etc…

>>123301
you are as sociopathic as the chads you are jealous of so much, except you're too developmentally retarded to be useful to anyone as a bf. your only use is being a potential submissive boytoy to a top nona to be played with and dumped.

>In no particular order the following occurs: love bombing, ghosting, mirroring, hot/cold method.

it makes me feel considerably less alienated to know I'm not alone in this.

>>123306
you made me laugh nona haha

,>>123344
>In no particular order the following occurs: love bombing, ghosting, mirroring, hot/cold method.
as a failed woman that no man has ever approached in her life, can someone please explain this to me?

Everything is worse for young people now. When things get worse for young men they form packs and take what they want. A short novel about this is KD rebel, written by David Lane. the story is 1/6 terrorism, 2/6 odinism and white nationalism, and 3/6 instructions on how to be a serial predator in the apocalypse with misogynistic rants and fanciful descriptions of community life for a man who spent years in solitary. He says things like "Future awaits the sociopathic Ubermensch" and "I want them to be aexuak predetors."
Lane's personal motivation for his ideology was "because the beauty of the white Aryan woman must not perish from the earth".

>>123774
cute moid

>>123286

im feeling so hateful rn

>>123286
Historically men were forced into marriage by their families due to an indiscretion (got someone pregnant) or just to get him out of the way.
Most men when given the choice choose not to marry, they are happy to go from hook up to hook up.
Simply put, society was forcing men to act honorably now that the old system has been uprooted they have no more reason to do so. In this context i think it makes perfect sense that most women will simply die childless and unmarried.

As someone that's never been in a relationship and recently been wanting to be in one, reading this thread made me think that being eternally single maybe is a blessing in disguise, after all.
If the current landscape is this shit then maybe it's not worth participating in it at all.

>>124023
This
Society was funnily enough built up to also defend women against stuff like this back then

>>124023
That's a really good point

Dating apps ruined dating and courtship by taking normal human connections and replacing it with an online market place. Moids swipe on everything regardless of the match quality, which also ruins the matchmaking system.

Side note: Universal screen addiction has degraded our communication as a species. We aren’t supposed to communicate by exclusively by text, especially something like finding a mate. Texting doesn’t transmit tone, volume, inflection, accent, or visual cues like body language or eye contact.

Also porn has distorted and corrupted sexuality for the vast majority of moids.

>>123293
Based and REDpilled, nona.

>>124064
"Yes this retarded comic strip will prove my point! I wonder why no woman has ever loved me"

>>124064
Also this is fake you would NOT be interested in anyone who wasn't a virgin you puritan freak

>>124065
>>124066
>Chad might pump and dump me, but YOU point out that Chad pumps and dumps me so that makes you even worse!!!

lmao
Fine, refuse to learn. Keep repeating the same mistakes, and keep getting pumped and dumped in the exact same way.

>>124067
It's not you "pointing out" that makes you a piece of shit. It's how you go after women for being with shitty men when you'd never come close to doing the same thing to a man. Never in your life will you see a guy getting judged for dating a gold digger, she's always the one that gets all the shit. But women get caught in a toxic relationship and don't even think of blaming the actual shitty man for a minute.

>"pump and dump"
You think of women as commodities to be used yet think you belong to the "good men". If you ever kys livestream it so I can have a laugh.

>>124068
>Never in your life will you see a guy getting judged for dating a gold digger
Maybe you just don't read the right places.

>>124068
People make fun of those men all the time though.
Prime example is Jeff Bezos atm. Everyone knows what's up and isn't hesitating to mock all of it.

>I got burned dating someone who sucks
>EVERYONE is like this
WTF WHY AM I NOT HAPPY WHEN I HAVE ALREADY WRITTEN OFF THE ENTIRE WORLD!

>>124084
you sound upset :^)

>>124085
Who, me? Couldn’t be.

>>124083
This is all the more reason to never give sub-par moids a chance. Chads pump and dump because they can. The only reason that nice nerdy guy doesn't do the same is because woman won't let them. The second he gets enough resources together, he's going to cheat with a hooker or fuck off to Thailand. Moids idolize pimps and man-whores because they live the life they want. Don't believe me? Take a look at Andrew Tate or Hough Hefner.

Tldr don't be scared to fuck handsome, muscular CHADS

>>124077
No one makes fun of trump for dating a gold digger, though.

>>123286
>When people have an effectively unlimited dating pool and casual sex is normalized, sex and relationships become increasingly cold and transactional and the basic standards of inter-personal intimate behavior change and/or vanish.

It's not just a problem with men either, sadly enough. Between cheap and effective birth control and medical treatments for STDs, social atomization and increasingly relaxed sexual mores, women can and do reward this kind of behavior as much as men do - what is the incentive for delayed gratification when instant gratification is all of a tinder match away? This leads to a mutual increase in bitterness as women perceive men (even the ones who don't practice this lifestyle) as being cheaters and emotional cowards only interested in sex and men view women (ditto) as whores. And for the unstable or immature, these same factors make cheating and/or bailing on relationships trivial because the supply of easy sex remains.

And again: this basically didn't exist ~20 years ago. Smartphones changed everything and everyone is now suspect until proven otherwise.

>>124091
Tinder has, like, 8 million US users out of its 72 million young adult population. (many of them never using the app for real probably) People grossly overestimate how much of a grasp dating apps have on society for some reason. If anything zoomers are having sex less and less.

That said, I'm not sure OP stated where she meets her men, so maybe this is true for her.

>>124092
>If anything zoomers are having sex less and less.

This is an observable fact, and in general, society is way less sexualized than 15, 20 years ago. People just percieve otherwise because it is easy to look at porn on your phone and because they grossly overestimate how many people use tinder, onlyfans and so on.

>>123286
Men don't want you to be much much more. They want you to be their servant. They want to impregnate every woman they see (yes, all of them) and they want to keep 'the best' around as domestic servants.

99% of them can't do that, but they all get as close to that ideal as possible. You choose where on the scale of 'too much of a loser to pump and dump' and 'chad enough to pump and dump' you wanna land.

>>123286
Yup.

I suggest that governments stopped developing societies after agreement on that’s there is natural resources limitation or so. Also inner problems every country have like corruption, property crisis etc…

>>123286
I don't think you understand what happened when women "became more". Women didn't "climb up". They entered into a competition, like men are born into. A competition for money, career, status, fame, etc. What defines a competition is losers. Many, many losers. So it's true a handful of women - billionaires, pop stars, politicians - really climbed up. But like men, the rest of women became losers. I mean, you think working a dead end retail job means you're better off?

>>123293
>>124032
Blaming capitalism or dating apps is just a way to rid yourself of responsibility. Your preferences are as transactional as anything. Sure you can have whatever height, money, race preference you want - so can others. And what follows is that you trade (and are traded) around until you think you get the tallest, hottest guy you can given how others value you. Don't like it? Want to be special? Tough luck. Modern society is just karmic manifestation.

>>124077
People make fun of jeff bezos because he's a trillionaire (or may as well be).

The social order of things is you do you get an education, a job, you earn a living so you can buy a good wife. Jeff bezos breaks it because he skipped the process, these billionaires don't get an education, job then earn their living the same way "regular people do", and he's so insanely rich it does perhaps for good reason repel people.

Poor people would buy a trophy wife if they could, they just resent him because they see him as being unrightfully rich and skipping the bootstraps you've got to pull to earn your buying a trophy wife. The same way poor people resent trust fund babies for buying mansions and yachts and sports cars, despite the fact if you asked them what they'd do with 10 million, they'd answer, buy a mansion, sports car and yacht. Not saying everyone is like this. But a lot of people resent the wealthy because they want the exact same vapid things the wealthy own, not because of some greater moralism.

To these people they just see jeff bezos as a lucky leech who got billions unjustly, they don't think the fact if you have billions you can buy as many trophy wives as you want is unjust, they'd get the exact same bloody trophy wives.

>>125225
People who need transactional relationships are most likely moids who want a high functioning whore. Women can skip ALL of that. We can spend a 100byears single and enjoy it. it doesn't matter what you provide if you're a piece of shit. Capitalism is a plague on society though, relationships have nothing to do with it. Its the fattest most disgusting tick latched on to suck all peope dry, not unlike what the worst (most) moids do to women. Its all an extension of a parasitic machine and proof moids need to be kept on a farm for breeding and far the fuck away from power. :v

>>125229
"Can" is a loaded word, anyone can choose any available decision. You can choose not to participate, but this is completely separate from having not wanting things. Most of these movements, like 4B or MGTOW or so on, are just collective bargaining efforts. It's not coincidence these groups overlap with groups trying devalue the counterparty by being passport bros or going after foreign men.

If you really did not care, well you wouldn't even be here. Not caring means that you have zero love for every possible kind of man. And not in the bravado, sweeping "All men are trash" way, but in the actual way where you are completely asexual and aromantic. What you're doing is more trying to maneuver women into a more favorable position through "punishing" strategies.

>Are men evolving to a sociopathic hivemind?
No. Most of them are apathetic; they are addicted to porn and video games, ergo they stay inside. The men you see, outside, probably does have a higher-than-historically-observed
proportion of sociopaths, but this is because the men who would've once been "good" are no longer going outside. Think of it like a survivor bias, of sorts.

>Courting is dead, it's gone.
Well, they say it takes two to tango. I regret not making myself more openly available to courtship when I was younger. If that makes sense. No one was going to court me if I hid away, if I always appeared aloof, and immediately turned down any advances. I regret it because, in hindsight, it was a lot easier in high school. You were proximal and forced to socialize. Objectively easier, but of course it never feels easy at the time. Actually it feels like the hardest thing you've ever done, because (at the time) it is. But I digress.

>It seems like all or nothing, there is no slow progressional vetting before a clear decision is made.
I was a teen circa 2010. At this time guys made constant reference to "the friend zone." Maybe it was a CIA psyop to make men feel stupid for 'getting close' to a girl first before making a move. Maybe being friend-zoned (i.e. being rejected) was something that always happened, but in the past men never dared express their frustrations (because in a male group, to vent is to admit weakness). The internet facilitated free, safe expression of men's feelings, and men clued on to the fact that this was a universal experience. They felt less alone in their struggles, they ceased to see rejection as a skill issue, they saw it as a societal issue, and so they changed how they approached life and/or women. Thus:

>The ones that haven't tend to have a man-child tier boyfriend or they're accepting to be chronically cheated on.
Pretty much. You end up with sociopaths (who get into pickup artistry because the "slow" method doesn't work), or you end up with manchildren who give up in the face of seemingly impossible odds. But this means that they aren't a hivemind, so you've answered your own question: It's either sociopaths or apathetic drop-outs of society (even still, I think there are more subdomains, but these two represent a large swath of the male populace). The sociopaths occur irl because of survivor bias (see above) and the man-child thing arises from an environment that permits such behaviour. I think that's what this nona >>123293 is getting at. When your economy produces a lot of wealth, and you're a rich boomer who wants more wealth, you will stupidly incentivize people for funneling their wealth back up to you (instead of down into the next generation; this is what makes it stupid, because it seals their own fate). The flow of wealth is very easily manipulated via tv and film. Men and women alike are fed narratives, and these narratives influence how we think (and thus how we buy). The unspoken motto of our society is "you are what you buy," and this underpins the manchild phenomenon, as well as all other target markets (e.g. the mindset of men who watch football and the mindset of men who watch superhero movies is one-and-the-same; connect the dots, the narratives are different, but they are both narratives, i.e. fantasies you neither create nor critique but passively follow)


>how are we all fundamentally somehow "never enough" for them?
It's not just we who are not enough. A 64 inch TV is not enough. A V8 engine is not enough. Flying (FLYING!!), not just flying, but sitting in padded-seats in a pressurized and (modestly) acclimatized cabin 11kms above ground, drinking a cup full of sugar and eating a nutritionally complete meal that rests (in spite of the extreme winds outside) perfectly still in a cleverly designed fold-out table (that you yourself could never engineer) replete with desk-light and a cup holder, isn't enough (wish I was in business class). Endless streams of entertainment, books, lectures, knowledge, means of production in a heartbeat, but it's not enough. Wanting more, no matter what. There is something we lack, we never sit with that feeling long enough to identify that we lack a sense of perspective and connectedness to the past and the future. A sense of being part of a process greater than ourselves. We're always trying to escape the uncomfortable feeling of lacking something to ever actually resolve the discomfort. Sociopathy isn't the ailment of our time; it's narcissism.

>>125238
where can I read more of your insights?

>>125236
Its not that complicated. Not being around men is not being weighed down by dead weight and parasitism. That doesn't need much explanation.

>>125238
>>125243
Nice try samefagging up cc. If you didn't sound so out of touch of it would be a lot more believable.

Lack is something men will whine about a lot more, they're going to be more prone to it because they're constantly in demand of sex. Knowing how to thoroughly enjoy your life without men doesn't cost, and isn't materialistic. If friendship with other women is what you're talking about then I believe it , but digging through the massive minefield that is internet-tainted moids is entirely avoidable. Women start learning this early on.

It actually explains so much about moid behavior. They need women to be desperate, to need something from them, and be accessible sexually, so they try to engineer the most hostile attitude/ social environments towards women to make them experience "need"

Isn't that what you're alluding to honestly ???

But this is exactly what women become wary of in their teens which is why they prioritize themselves more than anything else in modern times. Lmao men complain about this constantly refusing to see the obvious.

And so it goes. The story of our times. How to avoid the conniving modern moid. Though God lets be real traditional moids were just as bad in different ways.

So they are apathetic and tuned out… So? Okay ????? Because they don't get to be unchecked slave driving, woman-owning / oppressing/ masters of the universe anymore ? What do I fucking care if boohoo now they're apathetic ?

>>125244
Your decision is simple. The society level dynamics which arise when many other males and females have this decision, and others, is more complicated. And these dynamics also affect you

>>125248
Moids can stop being overbearing /unattractive anytime they want. I'm not here to cowtow your insufferable crap just to preserve society.

Honestly men are just like that. I’ve dated 3 guys, all wildly different and every last one of them sucked. The first guy I dated was a 4cuck i originally met on the ‘cord(met up) and he was manipulative as fuck, but yk I should’ve expected it cuz 4cuck geg. Then, I dated a self proclaimed incel, he was genuinely a retard and didn’t view me as an individual,nor did he respect my boundaries, and ended up cheating on me(I did not expect this at all cuz of the incel part), but I guess I should’ve known he’d be like that because of the whole blackpill shin dog despite presenting himself very differently. After this I coped by saying “no more internet men”. Of course, I met a guy irl, a total normie, who showed me that I was coping and that it truly is all men. Men view us as tools and you,Nona, should do the same to them!

>>125243
My room is littered with scrap bits of paper upon which I scrawl such drivel.

>>125247
Not a samefag. I don't know how to prove that other than by saying I'm so wracked with self-doubt that I read their reply in a sarcastic tone (i.e. it couldn't possibly be the case that someone liked what I had to say).

I answered OP's question. The answer is no, and I provided my reasons why I think that. I wasn't trying to moralise the problem or suggest "boohoo, poor men." I was diagnosing the problem because, if it's affecting men, then it is affecting us too (albeit in different ways). I ended with a note about "lack" because it's something I've seen affect the men and women in my life, but in different ways.

>Knowing how to thoroughly enjoy your life without men doesn't cost, and isn't materialistic
I'm glad we agree.

>Isn't that what you're alluding to honestly ???
Yes and no. It runs deeper. Manufactured narratives are subtle; follow the money and you'll find a narrative.
E.g. most TV families had a living room where they kept and watched the TV. It normalised the existence of a whole room / section of the home for the viewing of movies and TV. In turn, it normalised buying a TV, then buying a TV unit upon which to mount the TV, then buying speakers, stereo, DVD player, blah blah blah. But it starts with a little seed that says "every house has a place where there's a couch (couches, by the way, are a whole separate rant), TV, movie player, flashy speakers, etc, etc…" You can't sell people state of the art speakers until you make them think that watching TV is a bona fide activity, a thing that "says something" about who you are as a person.
E.g. make-up vanities. I'm guessing the name "vanity" was originally applied sardonically, but now it's a matter-of-fact, serious deal. Once you have a place with twenty-million compartments and a big mirror (once you've invested several hours of your life into a piece of furniture), you have no option but to populate it with a wide assortment of cosmetic accessories that complete the narrative.
How about a spice rack? … and so on and so forth … These narratives come and go, the point of my rant isn't whether you're above or below the narratives (because no one is immune from their power), it's that they exist for (mostly) financial gain (which is anticlimactic if anything - I'm being brainwashed to make a number go up? Really?). It's men (typically) who manufacture this "need," but they manufacture the need within (poorer) women and men alike. I'm not saying "don't attack men," because most of them are garbage. Maybe what I'm saying is "don't blame all men for this, because that would be giving too many of them far too much credit for what is a very sophisticated operation." That was meant to be a joke, lmk how it landed.

>>125247
The second reply does sound like sarcasm kek (no offense to any of the nonas)

>>125253
>>125247
I found your posts thoughtful, if it helps.
There should be a third Hedonist type, too, but maybe alcohol and meth have given way over the last dozen years to weed, rolling this kind of person into the apathetic crowd

I have this theory it's both genders are mentally fucked due to living in economic duress, but since they don't know it, they just waste away flinging shit at eachother

>>125287
This. It’s not men vs women, left vs right, black vs white. Those are distractions. It is and always has been the people up top vs the people down low. And guess where we are.

>>125287
We are living a better life than every generation before us except the two last.
I think what cause so much tension in society is how everything goes down. Even owning a house is a dream now.

>>125292
I do not care what somebody have in his plate, if what is in mine is fine I am happy. And I am not. The problem is not that some people have more, it is that I would be fine with what is in my plate if there wasn't so many people who just took food from it.

The world screeches to a halt if a man dies but millions of women and young girls die and are subjected to sexual violence and physicals violence every day and no one cares. They're sociopathic towards anything without a penis

>>125307
between dozens and hundreds of men die in ukraine every single day for like three years now "and no one cares".

>>125325
shut the fuck up moid