/feels/ - Advice & Venting

>>124217
psalm 109-6 - 15
6. Let an evil man be his judge: and let another accuser stand on his right hand.
7. When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer be made sin.
8. May his days be few: and another take his charge.
9. May his children be fatherless: and his wife a widow.
10. May his children wander about, and beg: and be cast out of their ruined habitations.
11. May the creditor seize all that he hath: and strangers spoil his labor.
12. May there be none to pity him: nor to have mercy upon his fatherless children.
13. May his posterity be destroyed: and in the following generation let his name be blotted out.
14. May the Lord remember his sins: and may his iniquity be no more blotted out.
15. May his sins stand up against the Lord: and may he be an adversary to his own soul.

>>124217
I don't think the point is to show love, and if that were your objective, long prison sentences are literally the opposite of that. Personally I don't think anyone deserves such a long (lifetime) imprisonment; it's a cruel method of punishment. Anyone you can't integrate into society is someone you should just kill and get it over with. Of course, most people can still be of benefit to society and live decent lives, thus they should receive neither treatment.

Honestly I don't even think what he did was that bad.

>>124219
he murdered and raped multiple girls
it's not that i don't see it as bad i just don't see why we must bloody our hands

>>124220
I'm aware of the story. I was finishing my PhD at WSU at the time.
Just so you know, there was only murder involved, no SA. What the fuck do you mean by "bloody your hands"? Are you some kind of low-iq moralfag?

>>124221
well i'm arguing deontology here but really i just believe it's not worth adding suffering for suffering sake in this world
how does it advance the economy to see brian kohlberg dead or molested in jail?

>>124222
If you want to minimize suffering in the world, the best course of action is to either let the guy free or kill him. Letting him suffer in prison for life is literally the opposite of "not adding suffering" to the world. If you care about the economics, consider that the death penalty is much cheaper and letting him free would make him a tax contributor.
Personally, I think it would've been best to just let him finish his degree and work like everyone else. Maybe give him a Klonopin script or something.

>>124223
death penalty costs more and it's not like a violent murderer who tortured his victims can just be let go

>>124224
>costs more
Only if you're retarded and only care about the big number at the end.
The death penalty "costs more" because of the added court process. That's still paying wages and reducing human suffering. That gets reinvested, taxed, and so on. The material cost of lethal injection also goes to manufacturing and useful capital. Tax burden is also not equal for theses costs as well and affect different institutions. Meanwhile the money spent keeping a guy alive for 80 years in a box is literally just setting money on fire.
>it's not like a violent murderer who tortured his victims can just be let go
Why not? Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with that option, at least in this instance.

>>124225
your retarded money is never a hole unless you dig holes bury money and pay people with the money they unbury

>>124226
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>124227
guards get paid too

>>124228
COs get paid like shit; most of the money goes towards administration costs and sustaining an unjust and wasteful system.
Why do you care so much about money anyway when you're simply uncomfortable with the idea of killing people? Are you just scared of discussing that topic?

>>124228
I don't think murder is wrong. I haven't been convinced that the guy deserves either prison or death.

>>124229
>yeah we spent 6 billion stimulating the economy which is much better then the few hundred thousand we spent
that adds up that makes sense

>>124231
yes or no should we make the death penalty as expensive as possible because it stimulates the economy

>>124232
The greater "cost" of capital punishment is less than an order of magnitude of the cost of life imprisonment. Usually it's less than double.
>>124233
Just use a gun. Bullets are basically free.

>>124234
but i thought it stimulates the economy?

>>124235
Why does everyone ITT care so much about money? Jfc

not the wisest thing to fight over with someone close to you, unless you are the leader of anti death penalty activists or something

>>124237
>>124217
Honestly it's baffling to me that you would even get into an intimate relationship with someone you don't share your values with. Obviously you won't ever agree on everything, but you should at least be on the same page about what you care most about.
For example, both my wife and I agree that life imprisonment is unnecessary and immoral and that it would be better if he was simply allowed to live on as normal. That said, I'm not fully convinced he should've been killed, whereas she thinks he's likely a regular irredeemable incel with rage (who should all be killed, of course)

>>124238
don't say such awful things

>>124239
What's so awful about it?

>>124238
idk if these people truly will ever be capable to live as normal if they have gone as far as to take multiple lives, not even one.

there are many instances where law enforcement failed to take action on people who exhibited criminal and violent behavior, which led to bigger, worse crimes

>>124241
Plenty of people live "as normal" after having killed people. Consider people who have fought in wars, or even the people who participate in trials in which people are sentenced to death. Plenty of murderers have continued to live normal lawful lives after having not been caught. Systemic and institutional murder is significant as well.
There's nothing out of the ordinary suggesting that this guy will commit similar or worse "crimes" in the future. If you're truly worried about inaction against people who may commit bigger, worse crimes, you should turn your attention to protected classes who commit some of the worst crimes in society who remain unpunished.

>>124242
>protected classes who commit some of the worst crimes in society who remain unpunished
like murder? I agree, it should be punished, because getting off easy after ruining someone's life isn't a good look.

>>124241
Glad we can at least agree on something.
That said, I don't think I would consider murder a form of life-ruination. Both can be bad, but they are not the same thing. Of course, they are also not mutually exclusive.
In general, life-ruination is perhaps one of the biggest crimes, imo. I think people should strive to reduce suffering in the world.