/hb/ - Health & Beauty

>>22508
This is no good

>birthing patients
Unreliable source

>>22510
uhhh who the fuck is a reliable source then

>>22511
One who calls them PREGNANT WOMEN

>>22512
it calls them women within the same paragraph you retarded sperg

>>22513
That's the only thing they should be calling them you dehumanizing cunt

>>22508
How anybody thinks they would gain anything from pregnancy or childrearing is the real mystery here. It's financial death and the end of your life as you know it. The worst thing that can possibly happen to you.

This article is from South Africa.
It's not about the healthcare system in America.

https://bhekisisa.org/opinion/2022-07-13-why-young-doctors-feel-forced-to-abuse-pregnant-women-obstetric-violence/

>>22516
Not everyone here is American nona, but don't worry, there's plenty articles about the American healthcare.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/obstetric-violence-doulas-abuse-giving-birth/

Funnily enough the article refers to doulas as bodyguards who were mentioned in the OP.

No wonder women get postpartum depression so frequently.

https://birthmonopoly.com/obstetric-violence/
A map with personal stories.

>the nurse began to (without asking) manually deliver my placenta by putting pressure on my stomach, and yanking on the umbilical cord. I didn't notice any of this, but my husband did and says she was yanking HARD. My placenta came away, and I hemorrhaged, badly. I lost 1.2 liters of blood, which is just under the threshold to need a blood transfusion (which I did not receive).

>>22518
There's always a chance of this happening when you try to remove the placenta…

I'm a huge feminist but a lot of these stories are just women with no knowledge of medicine

>>22519
>these stories are just women with no knowledge of medicine
nona yanking the umbilical cord is literally medical malpractice

>>22520
Who gets decide what is "yanking" the cord? Mothers are seeing these things happen for the first time when they give birth. Also I've been there when a new nurse was afraid to pull hard on the cord, patient ended up with an inverted uterus

>>22522
>bodily knowledge
not a thing
she's a midwife though and that's worth something

Don't care.
Im still having kids.
And Im still loving THE SHIT out of them.

personally I hate it when moids devalue how hard and damaging pregnancy can be (also there'sthe denial of medical gaslighting/abuse of women)

>>22524
Lmao, I hope you think back to this thread and your response, when you inevitably become unhappy, even despite having had kids.

>>22526
yeah this whole thread they keep maintaining this position that patients don't get to have an opinion or something, so weird and dangerous.

Women should never have kdis until all pregnant women will be treated like this instead of tolerating medical negligence and abuse from their moids

Oh, so it was social media braintrot all along.
It all makes sense now.

>>22532
I'm sorry, I know this is supposed to come off as an endearing video but something about it really creeps me out and reminds me of Handmaid's Tale

All the beauty of childbirth has died for the modern woman. Was there beauty in the first place, unless you were exceptionally lucky? I can’t help but see it as a mediocre loop of unhappiness with a husband who’s lost his love for you, that you settled for, since children of divorce are much more likely to live unhappy lives, and where you gave up pursuing happiness for yourself. Maybe I’m just lost on hope fuel though

>>22540
In the way distant past people lived in tribes hunting and gathering. It is thought that they had more casual or polyamorous relationships. They didn't understand male biological parentage, so children were raised communally by the tribe. These people worked far less than us and were probably way happier on average.

>>22527
who hurt you

>>22542
capitalism is the best system that's ever been tried. every other system caused mass death and suffering.

>>22546
So has capitalism

>>22542
>These people worked far less than us.
Basically an outright lie. This comes from mindless repitition of a single study called the original affluent society. The results of it were found to be unreplicatable.

Even then, it had a very different definition of 'work' than what you're thinking. By this definition, the only work you do is going to the grocery store and you work no more than 1-2 hours a week.

Basically, they pretend that the only thing that counts as 'work' for hunter gatehrers was gathering food, which is only a small fraction of the work they had to do. Most of their work was in processing their food and it also leaves out other things like building fire, clothes, tools, etc.

TLDR, you are misinformed. Please stop repeating incorrect things. Thank you.

>>22532
>>22538
Yeah, this is weird. From the mother's perspective, what is even supposed to be the appeal of this? You get to… lie down while a bunch of women put stuff on your body. She can't even move her head to look down at the flowers. If I was in her position, being "pampered" by "the village" would involve, I don't know, being taken out for a group dinner.

>>22549
There has been a lot of work since Sahlins, and not all of it has been critical. I appreciate you bringing this to my attention, but it seems that there have been quite a few energy studies on such communuties now. Even in Sackett (1996) it was claimed that the work day was perhaps 30% shorter for them than for us. Not as dramatic as I was thinking, but still a far cry from "one study that was totally refuted".

>>22546
>capitalism isn't causing harm
classic hook line and sinker

>>22550
>lie down while a bunch of women put stuff on your body
>being taken out for a group dinner.
Not mutually exclusive
And either are better than the current reality of being a pregnant and postpartum woman