Pinkpill Thread #5 Anonymous 113030
Vent your frustration about males and the degenerate things that they do here. >>108911
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Yeah, the "not all men" thing the anon mentioned. I came across that in real life. Some time ago I had a coworker who was forward with his intention of wanting to go out with me, because I asked, of which I then rejected him. He kept on insisting that I'm "thinking negatively" and kept pushing that he wants me. Somewhere in our conversation, I brought up about how I'm tired that a lot of men creep on me, and he made this faggy hurt face and said that I have to realize that not all men are like that. (I'm trying to keep my cool in typing this, by the way). But then afterwards he told me about how his dick gets hard when he's around me and he links his hand around mine. The former I told him that that's inappropriate and dropped the conversation, the latter I loudly chastised him in front of others.
God, for fuck's sake. Thankfully one of my friends calmed me down otherwise I'd be without a job rn for starting a fight. He (the friend) also told him to lay off.
I'm so fucking mad. I just want to work, for fuck's fucking sake. I'm a rugmuncher and I don't give a shit about all these men at work trying to court me. And one of them asked me if I was not married like he seriously cannot believe that. And I asked why. He said he don't want to be messing with another man's wife just in case. Just our refusal isn't enough it seems.
I'd like to add that I just hate that they mostly have to worry about being lied to or cheated on but we have to deal with worse in general.
reminds me of
"I want all the confidence of a mediocre straight white man"
It is all men, it's wild that anons are so sheltered.
Anyhow this isn't the thread to cape for men and consider there FeElInGs so pink pill about them down bellow
I had a female friend who is an angel and pretty much made friends with many people. she often emotionally supported men. Without fail, she was pinkpilled not by me but the fact that almost all of them turned out to want sex from her despite saying they just wanted to be friends or really liking her friendship (btw many of them shared her interests/passions this wasn't random), including all the married men. She was someone who believed people just needed to be listened to. Now she deeply dislikes men. She might die a virgin (she's a Christian who wanted a family and wanted to wait till marriage). She also had abusive older brothers + a bad father so…the fact she even was open was a miracle.
99.9% of what men care about is optics and maintaining sexual access to women.
They don't give a shit about women being violated and that's the crux of "all men are like that." I find it funny that in your story you are being completely transparent about your frustration and being gaslit because it's a microcosm for how society treats the experiences of women like you.
I'm sorry about your friend nonita. I think there was nothing concrete that necessarily pink pilled but even then I can't muster up anything stronger then mild disdain but I can see how an experience like that would fuck up your friend
Samefag that sounds harsh, sorry, my inner voice meant it kindly, love you anon just do go outside
I really can't with the pandemic and I rather not be around men if I can avoid it. I've seen enough lol
That's good enough for me kek carry on
I guess I kinda refuse to be mad at men very strongly because if I was to get mad at every men and the shitty things they'd do I would rage myself into an aneurysm and they really aren't worth the effort.
You made me Google "rugmuncher"
eh, like, it's not about being mad though? my friend got very distant towards men, yes, she might dislike them in general but the energy is more like apathy. she no longer talks to them whilst before she talked freely; she also just doesn't trust them much.
she used to believe in marriage and morals and etc., but after finding out every single married man she met wanted to cheat, with many also
posturing about how much they care about their wives, made it into a "what's the point?" situation for her. She's very much aware "not all men" but her energies have essentially flocked elsewhere. she hasn't mentioned them at all in weeks.
I understand the apathy but also how someone may feel angry towards men or very bitter, there all pretty reasonable reactions and doesn't mean I don't care enough to at least point out double standards and shit when I see them.>>113112
Copy pasting what? I haven't responded with apathy towards no Anon in here, I was just saying I don't like men a whole lot and I am as a whole very meh when they act decent enough.
Anyhow in a somewhat slightly uplifting anecdotes, does anyone love when there friend is also pretty pink pilled and isn't afraid to Bash men in? I grew up around a lot of male apologists from tradwomen to pick mes to Lib fems who couldn't see " put yourself first " even if it hit them in the face, so this friend of mine is a breath of fresh air lmao.
oh, you're prob responding to the deleted comment. I was mostly referring to the apparently few - now nuked - anons responding in the same way to people's experiences (between "not all men are like that" and "so? It's not a big deal"). but realized y'all probably aren't the same person. with you it was more like…ok you have this very sweet girl who keeps on being backstabbed by dozens of men, including married ones, lying to her then turning around and trying to make moves on her, and you said that you don't understand how that's pinkpilling nor concrete whatsoever.
I think a person's personal situation matters. Like, my friend wasn't quite a Pickme (she obviously hates men being degenerates in a bad way) but she absolutely assumed most
men were decent people.
That anon was definely not me or there may have been a misunderstanding lol. I totally get it why she was pink pilled
I think I just saw real necrophilia. Well, maybe not real, but it was still so fucked up that I question whether men are humans or not. It was a pic of a beheaded woman's body & 2 men were fucking it.
Yes, I still doubt it's real. I don't care about guro or ero guro either. It's still fucked up, that there are moids out there fapping to it.
And you can't make any excuses for this, it doesn't make any evolutionary or psychological sense to be aroused by that. And if you point it out men will just screech "not all men" because they don't care about those freaks existing and not being locked up away from women and children, they care about their image and their chances of getting laid.
I think the chance that anyone who comes here to defend men is a moid is 90%. There's no reason for a woman to come here and defend them honestly. Even if they simp for men, they're free to ignore this post. Inb4 "ok I get it, you're ignorant and you don't want your mind changed, you're the female version of incel, this is an echo-chamber" garbage.
unironic question, are men really that obsessed with youth? to get it out of the way, yes, I assume so. I have seen a lot pretty much proving it isn't just another creepy internet man thing. Science to women basically saying they got the most attention from men when they were teens…it says a lot.
it's really hard to wrap my head around bc, like…ok I can accept being uglier over time. It's just the fact that men seem to base women's value off of it in mostly unknowable subconscious ways is just…if taken at face value makes relations with men into a huge joke and waste of time unless you can solicit some quantifiable gain from it.
Like, the men (i.e., redpillers, incels, etc.) that attack women with it on the internet are like "haha! checkmate, bitches! you better settle for that 1/10 loser because your face will literally melt off in a few months!" When the logical takeaway isn't that. It's that I kind of look down on those men? They care about something that has almost no baring on reality and even the most virginal of wives will lose within a few years.
i feel like a lot of acts of necrophilia are a mix of opportunism and a way for men to "make their mark" - that even after death, they can still violate us. makes me sick
I hate incels so fucking much, CC
Wish they would just fuck off>>113087
When men are listened to and shown kindness and compassion, they feel dafe to open up about their true intentions.
I can sort of get it since it's not like I think super old moids look any better and I like youthful features on my partner. I just wouldn't give her shit for aging and would most likely love other things about her other then her appearance because I'm not some jerkass dick.
JCS on Youtube did an interesting video on this guy but it was deleted for some reason.
it's the overwhelming, overall reality that males do not respect their partners and the near total lack of tenderness towards women for me.
women will routinely, naturally look on the males in their life with rosy, glowing eyes. I was born this way and can remember this being my natural state as a child and teenager. this may sound New Age but it's not - it was like I had a gentle love for them collectively. the masculine essence and their general company, readily assuming the best of them and feeling such fondness induced by them.
then to grow up and see how ready they are to always accuse a woman, to view her with such disdain. deriving such enjoyment to speak of hatred of women. casual, bonding time for them. I would bask in merely being around them, for I loved them so, and now I know that that is a one-way street. they do not feel the same.
if it had only been the ones I have been with… but it is not. I see proof of what I'm talking about all the time, outside of myself. I wish I did not see it but I have and now I can't close my eyes.
I have realized they do not deserve women. we love them so and this is how we are treated. and that is why my heart has been broken all over again. I thought my relationships had just not worked out but no, it's beyond that. it would be a mercy if it was solely restricted to that level but the flow of love is not a balance.
call me whatever you like but for me this combined with how they maim and kill us is what is unforgivable for me.
Pinkpilled post anon, well put. I feel most of us can connect with that. Men only care about the "psychological torture" of other men, and don't give a fuck about the physical pain of women or the endless psychological and emotional bullshit we go through living under a male supremacist society with such ancient roots that men look back to in order to say "hey this is a good thing!" just because their retard greedy ancestors managed to oppress successfully due to absolute lack of any empathy or logical or critical reasoning. They have no foresight, and only care about the pain inside other men's minds. Absolute freaks of nature so used to being parasites to their own domineering social structure that they can't even comprehend how unnatural and incredibly bad life is for people they exploit because, like we all know, they do not care because they have no reason to care. We care because we have basic human emotions. I am so disheartened by what I see every day. Fucking hell anons please learn to be self-reliant and make things for yourselves. Stop perpetuating this social structure by being complicit in the horrors that society relies on. Ffs.
I have simply lost interest in being with them. they don't see me as a nuanced living being. there is no point to it, then. no point to lay my mind along theirs, no point to try to appeal to them, no point to seek connection when they cannot respect anything they mate with.
male approval, what does it matter? they'll fuck anything and no matter what they're fucking or how or when it's worthless to them despite their unending chase of it. they'll fuck a hole in a park bench, they'll fuck a woman and both are on the same level for them.
the appeal for the male gaze/eye has evaporated for me.
can they even love? I know they can feel some fondness but it's the point where I am genuinely wondering if they can even love.
not that it matters because - surprise! - one will never matter all that much to them.
man, it's rough you guys feel like this. but then again, i guess that's what this thread's about
Feeling or direct observation?
Are you from the middle east or something?
Imagine if that anon turns out to be from fucking Norway or some shit lol
I can relate to that feeling of love and admiration and now I pretty much don't really care and hate being forced to care when I really don't
want to reply to say not norway but yes europe, I have female relatives from all over the world though and speak with them a lot, things like the system of fear over women that enforces a nightfall curfew on us every night is pretty universal in "modern" regions, to be entirely frank, and anyone thinking that should be normal is probably deserving of a hug and a cup of tea as they outline how and why they came to be so complacent
also just want to add since I dont post much ITT that I don't feel anyone should be focusing on hate, but should instead be learning and teaching eachother skills to be more self-reliant. Im seeing this being said more and more IRL and it's giving me a small amount of hope that more women want to be fully self-sufficient and stop supporting and perpetuating the things that work against them.
I just shot the first developed European country that came to mind to be mildly snarky over an anon implying you need to live in a literal shit hole to feel abysmal towards men-
Anyone is hurt whenever your loved ones enforce patriarchal bullshit on You? From my old therapists to my own sister they seem to make it their duty to nit pick my appearance knowing full well in my heart that had I been born with a junk I would have probably have been considered a remarkably well groomed young man. Especially if it's things like shaving and make up and feeling thorn in at least lasering my body hair to be left alone
. How much is pressure and how much is me being pragmatic I'm not sure either ways i feel disappointed that the women I come across had to be made to feel ugly for something they can't fucking control and have to constantly remove.
I'm biased because I'm sexually attracted to women and get emotional around them easy but any person who only loves the barbiefied version of women can't claim to love women sincerely. Body hair on a beautiful woman doesn't take away from her attraction and it's not like a woman I consider not as attractive is suddenly going to turn into miss universe by becoming baby smooth down there.
Just a random rant that I thought yesterday as I was made to shave for some random family function.
I legit had a therapist make my legs not being waxed to high heavens a personal moral failing; you can't make this shit up-
What the fuck. Why can't moids separate even a professional job from their preferences. What even was his reasoning?
"I have been harassed, betrayed, and dehumanized by all men in my life and it makes me distrust them for entirely logical reasons"
"I'm sorry you FEEL that way uwu"
Nah worse it wasn't a moid, it was a fucking woman
And her reasoning was like any other reasoning I've seen being said: " It's not proper! It's ugly! It's sloppy!" And rinse and repeat.
I would've threatened to kms over that because fuck that
I'm not your therapist, but that would cause them to be alarmed and probably wouldn't get any sort of positive result for you in a therapy situation, other than you receiving actual therapy for what you have just said, kek
Advisably just lodge a complaint higher up the chain if possible and move on without a scene. That's just my take though, maybe my life would be more entertaining if I did threaten to ksm once in a while for the craic joke
samefag to say I've been in similiar situations for past career things, had to once shave my armpits in a closet with other women tutting at me, and making comments, but it was on the command of the male boss ofc kek. It was ridiculous. I could name several other things like this but you don't really process how bad it feels in that moment until later on in the evening. I'm not sure, even given an hour, I could find the words to express to those people how truly fucked up the situations felt. It's only the tip of the iceberg. It should be obvious, how do you find the words for the truth when everyone in a room is complacent in undermining it.
If anyone finds it a relief I'm no longer seeing that therapist. But yeah while I wouldn't threaten suicide it did enrage me how this therapist questioned all my aesthetic choices like wanting short hair for the convenience ( I chopped all of my hair off after 2 years of no cutting do to the pandemic and I've never looked more felt better so fuck her)
Yeah I don't blame you in the spot you just feel ashamed and even flabbergasted that you have to explain the simple concept of bodily autonomy to a bunch of simple minded normies
I find the whole "society is to blame for the influx of horrible men hilarious for these reasons. Men have to be conditioned and fed endless bits of external validation and reward just to not be a horrible person. "Oh, it's honorable to be x and y." In societies where male desires have the most power and womens' independence is scorned (more systematically), you also often see stuff like child marriage/raped being normalized and guess what? Men are to blame for it. You can shit on societies for being awful but there's a point where literally it's just male
desires being galvanized and enabled.
What they see as sexism against men is usually just a system of checks and balances meant to compensate for male degeneracy, or else society would suffer–and they love blaming women for not soothing men adequately.
I find it kind of iconic in the last thread we had a random "woman" basically insinuate women being separatist from men causes more school shooters, because they're so desperate
to use women/sex to control men.
If a man wants to be shit he'll just find an excuse for it with or without any women
Wanted to show y'all this amazing poem that was made in the 1600s by a nun that was considered a national treasure with her literary output until being censored by a salty man in power:
You foolish men who lay
the guilt on women,
not seeing you're the cause
of the very thing you blame;
if you invite their disdain
with measureless desire
why wish they well behave
if you incite to ill.
You fight their stubbornness,
you say it was their lightness
when it was your guile.
In all your crazy shows
you act just like a child
who plays the bogeyman
of which he's then afraid.
With foolish arrogance
you hope to find a Thais
in her you court, but a Lucretia
when you've possessed her.
What kind of mind is odder
than his who mists
a mirror and then complains
that it's not clear.
Their favour and disdain
you hold in equal state,
if they mistreat, you complain,
you mock if they treat you well.
No woman wins esteem of you:
the most modest is ungrateful
if she refuses to admit you;
yet if she does, she's loose.
You always are so foolish
your censure is unfair;
one you blame for cruelty
the other for being easy.
What must be her temper
who offends when she's
ungrateful and wearies
But with the anger and the grief
that your pleasure tells
good luck to her who doesn't love you
and you go on and complain.
Your lover's moans give wings
to women's liberty:
and having made them bad,
you want to find them good.
Who has embraced
the greater blame in passion?
She who, solicited, falls,
or he who, fallen, pleads?
Who is more to blame,
though either should do wrong?
She who sins for pay
or he who pays to sin?
Why be outraged at the guilt
that is of your own doing?
Have them as you make them
or make them what you will.
Leave off your wooing
and then, with greater cause,
you can blame the passion
of her who comes to court?
Patent is your arrogance
that fights with many weapons
since in promise and insistence
you join world, flesh and devil.
thanks for posting this nona! her name is sor juana inés de la cruz, for anyone curious.
Somehow this random Spanish nun is still more based then the average woman
this. I really wish things would go more towards men learning how to be happy without porn/sex/etc.
you can't reason with people that find women having self-worth or standards morally wrong.
Holy crap, imagine a therapist saying this shit. "Hey, you are gross because you don't meet my expectations." To someone in a vulnerable state, wow.
Timeless male abhorration. I imagine there are more examples of poetry lost in time, in some journal, waiting to be related to at literally any point in the human race.
incredible how applicable it is.
"one you blame for cruelty
the other for being easy."
I notice some of the girls that get the most hate are the most eager to please or listen to what men want. Many are nice asf. It's like they can't understand "sluts" are often acting the way they wish women acted–they just can't handle the consequences of it. >>113306
it's a needed reminder that other women can be against us too.
different anon but I've had a therapist who was a Christian and she told my parents that she couldn't help me because I told her I'm an atheist (she asked me first)
lmao some fucking therapists I swear
I had a weird revelation that I'm actually not really attracted to men. I'm attracted to the mere disembodied idea of men. I find their voices and what they say probably the sole thing that is kind of irresistible to me. Their desires are like a muddy, cyanide-laced pool full of sickly voyeuristic eyes most of the time. Porn makes men so much more unattractive to me. And, yes, I know, it's unrealistic to ask for a man that abstains. A lot of men just lie about it too tbh.
I really relate to this. Though there were a few men I really genuinely liked they were rare and they were FAR AWAY from the mainstream clichés you associate with guys and masculinity nowadays.
They're all kind of like that when you actually get to know them. Its not obvious at first, which is why people say "not all men" but when you really get to know them to their core, they're all like this.
Honestly being single is so much more heavenly and I don't know why anyone would waste their life living with a man. Unless he was one of the supremely rare ones, but why would I wait around for that? Or feel down on myself that I can't find something thats already really rare?
Well he won't get any porn in prison. I hope he kills himself in there. What a waste of space.
>>113280>You foolish men who lay
AY HOLD UP
This is Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz! basada>was considered a national treasure with her literary output until being censored by a salty man in power
I didn't know about this, could you please tell more details?
I laugh when they try likening soft romance novels to being "porn for women." Sure? But at least it's less soulless, less exploitative, and has more sensuality. Obviously still low-tier entertainment, but it isn't built for instant gratification, unlike porn. >>113336
Tbh I feel like one I liked a long time ago that was a bit like a masculine cliche I had never seen in reality: boisterous/fun, kind, and a leader. He ended up starting a charity. Volunteered all his free time away and spent massive amounts of time supporting others. A himbo? Idk.
He had a very derpy attitude regarding other dudes though–on par with my nice friend that blocks out negative information about men to unsafe extents. He once let a guy borrow 500$ and the guy avoided him afterwards. He just laughed it off. I knew him for 2 years. Never changed.
What do you guys think of the idea that porn for women (whether you include romance novels or only pictures/drawings) is superior to porn for men? I agree btw. Because this>less soulless, less exploitative, and has more sensuality
is usually true, in my experience.
It's better because it focuses on building relationships and not pure sexual acts. Even the acts are less degrading that are solely featured in art and quick one shots. You can tell what was made by a woman and what was made by a man by what is depicted.
this is the opposite of true. I have listened to lengthy interviews of male prison guards who say pornography is a fucking epidemic. Prison turns most men into hyperviolent gooners. They all have giant stacks of porn in their iron-bar coom hovels.
Think it comes down to books having a way different visceral effect on the human mind than porn.
It's like getting a delicious, balanced dinner after a marathon v. taking one step, crumbling, and having the internet basically throw a dollar burger onto your cock to fuck.
Also tbh I'm sure porn also makes men more sensitive to feeling the need to "perform" without really paying attention to what gives their partner pleasure. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of men develop issues with their penis because they keep comparing it to to pornstar dick.
>>113346>I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of men develop issues with their penis because they keep comparing it to to pornstar dick.
Oh they absolutely do. I was undercover on a moid discord server and they all talked about how porn ruins their perception of their dick/dick size. But of course their stupid scrotey takeaway was that porn was turning women into sizequeens and giving us unrealistic standards, the irony being completely lost on them.
honestly men are the worst memes. Like, wow.
I have more bones to pick with that shit head therapist but this is the one most relevant to the thread and an example of a woman being a pick me handmaiden for no Fucking reason. If I ever am in the position of being around a young girl I will never shame her for the mere physical act of growing body hair.
18 Times Humanity …
I can't get over how many men appear to believe women have easy-mode because so many men are desperate for sex. Their inability to acknowledge that male attention is of no value in 99.99% of cases and that it's like mass-produced trash with no depth or quality; biological contagions. Getting access to a man has no value and oftentimes is a net negative. Any sex is often worse than none for women.
Also, most men are unattractive and it's weird how they cope otherwise and act like it's an issue of women having high standards. As a bi woman I'm attracted to way, way, way more women despite having a preference for men–because women take care of themselves more and are way more likely to have SOMETHING going on. Hell, a model woman has crushed on me + asked me out while the pickings of men all look like silly putty. Even a cool fashion/hair style does something for me but almost all men lack one.
The beauty of this is that even if you can't get a good, stable guy being alone is very viable. It's like men can't accept that massive amounts of men weren't meant to be picked–not necessarily just because they look bad but because they are only a physical and emotional burden that probably devalues most of what goes into a real partnership. Seeing them act like it's some moral failing on the part of women is so dumb and literally gives away that think any woman is a net positive for a loser to date…that isn't even true in all cases either.
And yes I know there's a difference between incels and normal-ish men. It's just I see sentiments like this littered all over the place, with men acting like them fucking something is a compliment (despite devaluing women that fuck).
>>113252>>113252>>113252>any person who only loves the barbiefied version of women can't claim to love women sincerely.
this, this, this.
notice how there are nearly no males whatsoever that actually are attracted to the natural female form!
>>113280>Their favour and disdain>you hold in equal state,>if they mistreat, you complain,>you mock if they treat you well.
>No woman wins esteem of you:>the most modest is ungrateful>if she refuses to admit you;>yet if she does, she's loose.
>Who is more to blame,>though either should do wrong?>She who sins for pay>or he who pays to sin?
kill shot lines. written in the 1600s… great, more proof.
I have an actual incel for a brother and unironically he has dropped most incel talking points. It's unbelievable seeing the way his brain operates.
>chokes kid (yes I called the cops and got evidence of it, the rest of my family are fucked up enablers)
>days later bitches about women not liking nice guys like him
That's not really what I was touching on? Like, I was talking about the dumb hypocrisy involved.
But in statistics men usually have a bit more (the gap significantly closes after factoring out the most promiscuous people tho).
why do men think you not wanting them means you want them to die? weird behavior.
There shouldn't be so much men existing in the first place. You only need this much men to be able to impregnate multiple women. When The entire population is 50-50 or even ~51-49 due to female infanticide of course women will get even pickier, but that's not acounting for countries/places where women don't really have a choice to pick something, this includes legally/culturally and when all your options are just shit
They don't just turn into those kinds of animals, they always had the potential to get worse, some things just allow that to happen faster
>Women and children together came to 8,000 and were quickly divided up among us, bringing a smile to Muslim faces at their lamentations. How many well-guarded women were profaned, how many queens were ruled, and nubile girls married, and noble women given away, and miserly women forced to yield themselves, and women who had been kept hidden stripped of their modesty, and serious women made ridiculous, and women kept in private now set in public, and free women occupied, and precious ones used for hard work, and pretty things put to the test, and virgins dishonoured and proud women deflowered, and lovely women’s red lips kissed, and dark women prostrated, and untamed ones tamed, and happy ones made to weep! How many noblemen took them as concubines! How many ardent men blazed for one of them, and celibates were satisfied by them, and thirsty men sated by them, and turbulent men able to give vent to their passion! How many lovely women were the exclusive property of one man! How many great ladies were sold at low prices, and close ones set at a distance, and lofty ones abased, and savage ones captured, and those accustomed to thrones dragged down!
This is what saracen scrotes did to women 900 years ago.
This is what even western scrotes would do to women today, if they could.
They never change.
think about it. in human reproduction what is the ultimate end?>for scrotes: ejaculation>for women: creating and birthing a new life
the ultimate thing that comes out of a male is semen in reproducing. in women, that ultimate thing is a child.
the pinnacle of passing their genes on is coming. there is no further input from the male that is required. in fact, one can harvest viable semen from a male corpse and use it in a successful pregnancy. try anything like that with a female corpse - can't work.
in part I think this is why they are so fixated on sex besides testosterone working on them. they cannot stand women disapproving of them, I think it gives them existential fear.>scrote: the lower life forms don't approve of me, what will Chad think of my prowess?!>scrote: the females won't accept me and my semen - I can't be a part of the vast group of males not good enough to be chosen or have a family!
Fucked up to think that this was every siege in history, every raid, every march of an army from one place to another, anywhere groups of men, especially armed, would go, women and children would be raped and oftentimes murdered. I remember reading about how gangrape, like 'running a train' on a woman, would be a bonding exercise for soldiers, like hazing at a fraternity it would make them 'one of us', complicit in their horrifying crimes they would be a true soldier. Scrote biology hasn't changed at all, this is still who they are, only the thinnest of veils of 'civilization' conceals it.
It’s so nice to see people acknowledging this, I feel like it rarely gets discussed. It’s such a mindfuck to me, tbh. I keep myself healthy and clean, but the fact that I get pretty hairy (good old pakistani genetics) means that I’m pretty much repulsive to all men. The first time a boy asked me “ew, why are your arms so hairy?” I was in elementary school. I felt like I was hiding a dark secret. So much misery and shame over something as inconsequential and natural as HAIR!
how do you think men cope with being objectively useless and terrible? I guess they don't, considering the suicide and transition rates
ok this is going to sound bad but…confession. one of the only reasons why I don't vote for a certain political group in my country is that it's extremely anti-abortion; get raped? Good luck with that!
it's bizarre seeing so many misogynistic men that really do devalue mothers/childcare or think single mothers are bitches that deserve to be lynched obsessively act like they suddenly care about children too.
ngl, it's super demoralizing, especially after you see how porn affects mens' brains. imagine instead of being rehabilitated, massive amounts of men leave prison with porn addictions.
god i relate to you. i started growing hair on my arms at the age of 10 and was often called a monkey/gorilla by boys because of it in grade school. i wore nothing but long sleeves through high school, even on the hottest of days.
just as i began to feel less anxious about it, my first boyfriend in college told me he was embarrassed to be seen with me when i hadn't shaved my arms once.
it makes me feel so unwomanly, disgusting, and shameful when it's just hair. i've grown more comfortable over the years, but there are times i'm still obsessive over how hairy i can be just because of how moids are so fucking WEIRD with their standards of beauty
Word. Their primitive tendencies to hurt us haven’t certainly gone anywhere. They’re just waiting to resurface the moment SHTF. We’re always the first to suffer in such situations. And it’s not even some distant apocalyptic scenario: it’s very much present and alive, every night in urban areas.
How can heterosexual men and heterosexual women have on average, different numbers of opposite sex lifetime partners? If a man would have sex, his count increases by 1 and likewise the woman's count increases by 1. If a women has sex with a man likewise, both their lifetime partner counts increase by 1. Who would even write a survey for this? Do sociologists have no brain?
I think what was being gotten across is that the most promiscuous people are skewing the data a lot?
Ugh I’m so sorry you’ve had to deal with this insane bullshit too. That bit about feeling unwomanly-I literally thought I had been born a boy and butchered at birth, that’s how disgusted I felt when I looked at my hairy legs or arms or back. Now I obviously know that’s stupid and there’s nothing masculine about having hair, but society inundates us with images of perfectly smooth hairless women. Fuck your scummy boyfriend who dared to make you feel bad about the body you were born in; I had it too, where a boyfriend asked me why my upper thighs were bumpy, “no way girls grow hair there, don’t tell me you shaved them.” At the age of 23 I’m finally learning that men are disgusting and I should not care at all what they think, please remind yourself of that too
I'm sorry to tell you this but there might be no way out of inceldom for your brother. At least, I never see "reformed" incels (other than some MtFs who transition just to get laid lmao). Even if an incel eventually gets a gf and sex, he will still think like an incel and go back to his old ways when their relationship is over.
Because of their nature. They think you’re rejecting them from the gene pool and reminding them of their own disposability, which turns them insane and bitter.
My arms are sort of in the hairy but I was luckily never picked on it. Just legs and pits and sometimes crotch.
I had a classmate with really hairy arms and I view it pretty neutrally? The thing it stood out was the growth pattern and how dark it was but I never felt grossed out by it so the weird A-loginess around body hair never failed to befundle me AND the therapist giving me shit for it just hurted me
anons…I don't think I'll ever get over how deeply men hate women past a certain age. men really aren't attracted to real women.
They're drawn to an extremely fleeting, eternally depreciating femininity that you either have to be blessed with via amazing genes or ruthlessly maintain…either ways though it runs out eventually. and yes imo it's way more shallow than caring about a man's actions/abilities. it's even a tiny bit more shallow than caring about height which at least stays forever (even if it's still pretty shallow).
it's pretty normal for a guy to just see a middle-aged woman as subhuman; even if he doesn't say so, he acts as if it's so. men only stay with old women out of familial obligation or convenience usually, not love. imagine dating someone whose love linearly grows colder the older you get.
it's depressing, but whatever.
gave up hope a loooong time ago. the way his mind works is so intrinsically twisted that even 10 years of rehabilitation wouldn't fix him. I can't even speak a word to him now. do I feel bad about dehumanizing him so much? kind of. why? because I sometimes think people like that become worse when people think the worse of them.
I'm sorry anon I hope you get over the mental block to have your best life without some dumbass scrote getting in the way.
the issue is no matter what she does or what we do we are stuck on the planet with all of these life forms.
just saw a group of pro-life men go crazy over the idea that if men got pregnant, they'd abort more than women. They were so hellbent on proving women were the only ones capable of it (one acted like there'd be the exact name number of abortions, go figures).
I'm aware but I'm a spiteful bitch so I rather not have the thought dragging me down.
why can't men accept most of them are literally just unattractive and will never have a woman want to throw herself on him?
>men: complain about women criticizing men
>also men: admit to being literally what women criticize them for
>somehow still men: mental gymnastics their way into implying this means women should dedicate themselves to eternal servitude when in reality the logical option, if a woman listened to such a man, is separatism
>leading to hundreds of millions of less women being available to function as married cock sleeves, which in turn just makes much more men kill themselves
and to clarify I don't know if some men really commit suicide bc no pussy/gf, that's mostly hyperbole. I assume they were societal rejects incapable of connecting to even other men on deep, emotional levels to begin with.
shh, it'll be ok, Mr. Caveman, I love you long time.
Male gets trolled and angry over Lisa Simpson's thanksgiving centerpiece
>be called a Pickme bc of the way I look despite not wearing makeup or cute clothes
why do you get called a pick me then
you’re obvs leaving something out.
it was a picture of myself someone uploaded to something like facebook and I looked at it and the person was like "wow, that girl in the coat looks like a Pickme" or something. happened earlier this week but still quite weirded out because there's really no context.
looking that way is an insult tbh.
Do you have long hair? If you have long hair you'll still be seen as feminine, and some may interpret that as you being a pickme. Or you have feminine/childish features which also may lead to that conclusion. Not that it's your fault, after that term got leaked into mainstream people started using it for any dumb reason without caring what it really means
also yes I've seen it happen before for other girls, like "have you gotten picked" and stuff like that on the internet even if the only context is a picture.
>>113557>girl who's not super feminine (which obviously means she spends a lot of time with men)? She must be a pickme!!
So fucking tired of this shit
actually I've seen it in many cases at this point.
super feminine/cute girl? pickme
tomboyish cool looking but still not manly girl? pickme
modest more classic looking girl? pickme
maaaaaybe keep it to the pretend-to-be-a-moid thread.
oh, I'm the OP of that thread. I'm bi. I have a preference for men but find way more women attractive on a visceral basis. I prefer getting to know someone first and I might like them later, but there's just way more blatantly interesting looking women and there's way more - if I magically thought having casual sex was ok - I find attractive.
It's objectively true that women put in more effort into their looks on average and it's interesting seeing the denial of it.
He literally can't even compute that it's possible to grow attracted to someone for reasons other than looking hot and that this has more meaning than literally wanting to fuck any woman at first glance. There's so many connections just not being made.
There's statistically more male narcissists+overconfidence among men.
I mean, while it is sexist and racist, it's really not 90% of what they say about women there tbh. If it was more accurate most of them would be "damaged roastie" or different versions of insane feminist and 10x more hateful.
I think the fact that 3 of the "women" on the list are men, and 2 of them are inanimate objects should show this image is just supposed to be a joke, or a game. You reply to the image, and the last two digits of your post determine which girl/boy/object you get.
meant, not met. >>113641
yeah it's still parody but absolutely still fucked up.
confession tho, I at least found it funny-ish.
These things are a dime a dozen but really sucks they’re just a caricature of what they think women are like, at least the women they see and talk about who exist on the internet
>point out double standard/hypocrisy that is very common among a group of men in sterile way; actually wanted feedback>get dogpiled by men verbally abusing me >tfw literally clarified beforehand I only meant a certain portion yet these men literally assume I am a psycho that was meaning all men and that I'm a retard????? >repeatedly say 100x worse things about women as a group>every single person actually on my side and pointing out that the double standard was common was called a fugly landwhale roastie>ironically most of what they said about me was actually factually untrue but they acted like these lies they made up devalued my opinion/words completely and they were extremely gleeful about it
>literally not one man acknowledged 90% of what was in my actual point was. I even say "dudes, I meant…I don't mean to say you're all like that…" actually politely and it got tumbleweeds
tbh I feel like I am a dumbass because once in a rare while I want to really just pick apart a guy's mind and stuff like this usually happens. Makes me wonder about the future of gender relations/discourse. Yes, it was just the internet but sometimes I feel like this insane vitriol is just gonna get worse and spread more. >>113528
is already read by men weird guys as meaning "you think most men should die and are unworthy of love!!" yet I regularly see infinitely worse things from them like "kill yourself if you're over 25". it's like how each time they see a woman say "I like tall guys" they think it's literal abuse and evil. it's nuts.
I can't tell if it's just the masses of mentally ill men on the internet or literally that men have extremely bad reading comprehension.
like I said it's still way more nice than what they actually say about women there usually….even though the implications of that are extremely fucked up.
those doofuses will roll for anything. usually they'll roll for gfs/waifus like that image, but sometimes they'll roll for what way they should jerk off, if they should eat their own cum, what their situation would be in an apocalypse scenario, their setup in a video game like picrel. sometimes the rolls are actually fun, like the scenario/fantasy world ones, but most of them are coomer shit
I know it's totally not the point of this thread but let me roll because I'm thinking of starting another Skyrim playthrough.
Good luck and don't duplicate any sweetrolls miner. brownies honor!
admittedly I'm a broken record and I end up just making some high-speed/agility magic (conjuring, enchantment, and alteration) dabbling sneaky warrior with no shield and nothing ever stops me.
why is it that men seem incapable of registering they can be "slutty"? like, literally a lot of the reasons they slate it's bad for women is applicable to men too.
it's really insane to watch sometime, like, a man can sleep with 100 women he thinks is a slut, refusing to use a condom, and get a STD or some get pregnant, then blame them for it.
First tomboys, now autism. What completely non sexual thing are e-moids going to fetishize next?>>113697
Madonna whore complex. Men want pure virgins because they're raised to think that women that aren't 100% pure are baphomet himself.
I swear men are all mentally fucking ill and everything they do is project
seeing men react now to women openly disliking men who sleep around is so funny, they get so confused and frustrated
it's kind of interesting with those types, like…men actually victimize other men way more than women do men. they literally seem incapable of understanding that men do other men dirty all the time?
makes me wonder how men raped by other men are treated in such communities.
omg and now it's even a thing apparently that some lie and say they don't use porn to basic questions "do you watch porn"?
imagine how much disdain they must have for a woman to lie about such a thing to lead someone not compatible with them on.
it's weird how much the art style looks like a woman's (specifically a woman who spent too much time in the eddsworld fandom). i kind of like it for how silly it is
lol samefagging because i read the rest of the image and she puts herself on the bottom row. it's very nlog-y obviously but it's sweet
I think you misunderstand how men think of other men. "Niceness" and such positive qualities are not taken into account when evaluating each other. They care about power and hierarchy instead. Like, even sexists who think men are superior, don't think its because they are kinder and empathetic, they think so because men are more powerful. They see other men who are strangers as potential threats and aggressors. And they think that's normal.
Why do you think toxic masculinity is a thing? Men, deep down, truly believe that might makes right, and the weak and bullied in some way deserve it, even if it's themselves who are abused.
Moids accuse women of being social brained and conformist, but they are blind to their own strict subconscious adherence to the male dominance hierarchy.
>>113750>>113756>rants about male hierarchy>does a 180 and completely invalidates rant and calls anon a "beta cuck"
You are not the same anon as >>113727
, right? Because that is laughable. You gotta get your narrative straight
I'm assuming you're a girl, but those are different anons?
And I don't know if they are different that is what I'm asking
I'm just making a zoological observation, I'm indifferent to intra-male social issues, can't relate.
Regarding toxic masculinity, I'm all for dismantling the part that negatively affects women. Other than that, they can start enslaving each other for all I care.
Also, I see no contradiction. I insult them with their own terms because it is more effective, and highlights the fact that buyi g I to the hierarch makes them vulnerable. The only way to not be insulted from being called a beta is to agree that toxic masculinity is bad.
For example, insulting a neo-nazi white supremacist by questioning their "racial purity", calling them a 56% mutt, etc., gets under their skin and they might just start questioning whether basing their self worth and identity on something so stupid is a good idea.
A taste of their own medicine, if you will.
Idk, there's a few of us here.
Assuming that's the same one…idk, like…she was trying to really put down someone that is a extreme, violating creep that is technically a "beta cuck" to the standards set by the "patriarchy." So she basically just used her dissection as a weapon.
She would be a hypocrite if she was speaking from a place of compassion: "oooh, I care about the men in this system." But she's not. And she doesn't mind turning around and using it against men.
I see. I think how males govern their social hierarchies is based and don't see a problem with it. But not meant for females. Men are men and women are women, different creatures. It just works
Sure, they should stop bitching about the very system they perpetuate, though. They bought into the hierarchy thing, and ended up at the bottom of it. Not women's fault.
It's like how libertarians support capitalist hierarchy despite being poor, because they dream of one day becoming rich. They don't want the bullying to stop, they just want to be the one bullying.
I don't know if I would say they "bought into it", it is more like it is apart of what they are. So when they find themselves at the bottom of it they complain, and sure, everyone wants to complain when they get the short end of the stick, but such is life. Sucks. They just have to come to terms with it or do what ever they can do about it instead of getting bitter, like the men at the top behave and not just lament
I cannot stand this.
I grew up as a tomboy that was so tom sometimes people thought I was a boy. I was sporty. guess what?
the little boys called me "he-she" and "it." I got bullied by older boys and, in general, people looked down on me.
now they want to pretend they ever liked tomboys. it's just a new(er) fun way for them to attempt to vandalize a female.>I'll take a tomboy and have her gain weight and bear my children then watch as her body never snaps back!
instead the question should be:>"what kind of porn(ography) do you watch?"
it prompts an answer more.>>113704
once you see it you realize they project, project, project. they're out of control about it, like a wildfire.
>>113759>small "contradiction" devalidates entire criticism and makes you a massive hypocrite
ngl, I feel like this type of thing is pasted all over gender discourse/reactions to feminism and men tend to obsessively ignore all complexities involved.
I saw one going on and on about how He-Man is proof feminists are retarded hypocrites because it shows men are "objectified" too or something (no it wasn't parody)…say anything about men or womens' experiences and literally they refuse to at all mull it over. So many seem to just want to delete
any validation/justification women have for the negative experiences they go through and I think it's really all over the place.
It's insane because I never attested that men don't go through things? It's just experiences between the genders are very different.
Maybe girls are onto something when they resort to actual hyperbole because that's the only thing that ever seems to stick.
liberal feminism is a joke because it's all overcompensation. so many girls seem incapable of at all realizing the mental and physical burden of sex and the lack of payoff.
really boils down to an excuse to appease a male then pretend the validation from it is empowerment.
sex is overrated. it doesn't feel like anything down there when he sticks it in. i dont understand how women can have mindblowing orgasms screaming their heads off when the clitoris is where all the nerve endings are, not the internal vaginal walls. makes you think that women are doing a performance to appease their man and make him feel like a sex god and boost his ego. vibrators > dicks
Some people can cum from penetration though
>>113787>when the clitoris is where all the nerve endings are, not the internal vaginal walls
this is how
it's an infamous thing were heterosexual women are significantly less like to cum in sex, while heavy porn users are usually much worse at it. very few women cum from penetration and often lie about it too (because sometimes telling the truth fucks men up). women experience way more risks than men, too, risks men don't give a shit about tbh. speaking as someone who has cum from penetration……..with toys. it feels amazing if I'm super aroused, but feels like nothing and uncomfortable 99.9% of the time. I can't imagine a real guy staying hard long enough unless he's a sex god.
I dono if I would say lasting long makes you a sex god. Some guys just beat off so much and so hard that a vagina just isn't as tight as their hand and then they can't cum from sex snd have to finish themselves by jacking off its super awkward.
unfortunately my standards for sex god are sub-zero based off what I've heard from other women.
This doesn't seem like fap material to me and the Sonic fanart is signed "Jenny".
Making fun of autists seems very mean spirited but maybe that's just me.
What's the implication of this image
Pretty shit take.>>113800
As far as I can tell it's that early icons of Animism based worship are just early human porn inspired by cavemoid coomers? As if the fact an autist nowadays jerks his dick to Sonic means the Ancient Egyptians were furries too.
don't say it like it's impossible. Cavemoids were literally drawing porn on rockwalls to jerk off before and of this shit.
I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's retarded and a shit take. Especially given that only the most autistic of males are even into the shit you fucking posted, probably the first type of guys to get fucking killed back in the day. It's a 100% shit fucking take given from sheltered post-modern worldview of how easy being alive and making shit like that is. Fuck off.
you sound like a butthurt moid. Genpop males have been jerking off to religious icons since recorded history, publicly even. Do you expect me to think that it's impossible that the scrotes who made these misogynistic religions weren't jerking off to the gods they invented?
Also apparently these dregs were not killed off because their offspring are thriving. At least 80% of males are pure shit and their shit genes came from somewhere.
>>113808>Genpop males have been jerking off to religious icons since recorded history, publicly even. Do you expect me to think that it's impossible that the scrotes who made these misogynistic religions weren't jerking off to the gods they invented?
Some retarded scrote is jerking off to the statue != the statues were made to be jerked off too
>Also apparently these dregs were not killed off because their offspring are thriving.
Not from anyone who survived long enough to make idols to worship. Your concept is flawed any, shaministc religious traditions are started by schizos, not autists. Cave autists at best would be figuring out how to make fire not starting fucking fertility cuilts. >At least 80% of males are pure shit and their shit genes came from somewhere.
All manner of dregs are surviving, that's what modern healthcare is all about. They weren't killed off entirely, just the point they'd effectively never reach any point of actual meaning should they even manage to stay alive. This is more a complaint about modern dysgenics in the healthcare system than anything else really.
Virtually all males are coomers and we are seeing it blatantly on display with modern pornography. I will not give these old pagan/vedic moids any benefit of the doubt. They were making 8 tittied blue naked women and animal rape fantasies because they have male brains. Which is to say, coom brains.
The fact you're defending them tells me you're a male.
Modern dysgenics is patriarchy. Failedmales have been breeding like roaches since they oppressed, extorted, and forced women into cohabitation/breeding access in order to survive. The last few thousand years of natural selection as it was intended simply did not function. Medicine is less dysgenic than the male ego.
The concept of eugenics is a bit silly. If something reproduces successfully then it is viable evolutionarily. How it makes people feel is largely irrelevant.
this conversation is unironically metal as fuck
I guess we agree to disagree then because if you think that anything is less dysgenic than modern healthcare you're operating at such a low level of awareness I can't even have a meaningful conversation with you. Would explain your obsession with autistic pervert obsessions though.>>113816>The concept of eugenics is a bit silly.
In that "it would work" sense or that "it would be immoral" sense? Because you need only look at dogs (or literally anything humanity has cultivated for domestic use) and you'll get your answer as far as whether or not eugenics works
>How it makes people feel is largely irrelevant.
In regards to eugenics or in regards to things that aren't good at surviving (without human intervention) being dysgenic.
I will concede the in the longest of sense concerning the problem that yes all dysgenic things would face a swift collapse as soon as the materials propping them up (current healthcare system) were gone, yes, they would stop existing and thus prove their lack of viability, but, tehchnically, in the sort term it is viable to be a zika water-brain retard babyies because society can currently support useless zika water-brain retards babies.
Eugenics will work in producing outcomes people want yes. You could selectively breed humans to be taller have blonde hair or whatever else. The problem is what people want is not always going to coincide with what is best for survival. With overpopulation for example, we might need people to become smaller and suddenly midgets are best. But oh no we got rid of them all, because people wanted their kids to be 6'6 ubermensch. Bit of a silly example I know, but the point is just that evolution is always happening. So just let it happen, we do not need to guide it.
>>113816>The concept of eugenics is a bit silly
We need to make up for lost time. Thousands of years of failed males holding half of the population captive to uplift their inferior genes needs to be addressed. >>113818
You are a male because you are incapable of admitting that patriarchy is and always was incel affirmative action, guaranteeing that the majority of males pass down their genes when this is not how XYs function in nature. The modern medical industry is bullshit, first of all. Secondly the overwhelming majority of people don't need any major (or even minor) medical treatment to be viable during breeding age. If you think keeping old fucks on kidney dialysis and insulin treatment is harming the genepool you're retarded.>>113819
You could do a great service to the genepool simply by removing societal structures and systems that advantage XYs. Basically, allowing for women to be hypergamous again and bottleneck the XYs. We are already seeing the process beginning in westernized countries. The proportion of left behind men/incels will only increase as women are free to reject them.
The scrote idea of eugenics is always squicky because scrotes cannot benefit from the process unless they totally bastardize it. i.e, genocide, artificial wombs, gene editing, nanomachines, test tube babies. The process is simple, and that's just to stop breeding with inferior men.>With overpopulation for example
overpopulation wouldn't be much of an issue because women don't have the mind to breed like insects the way men do. Selecting for ratoid genes is moidworld shit.
>>113822>Thousands of years of failed males holding half of the population captive to uplift their inferior genes needs to be addressed
That's my main dispute with what you are saying. Evolutionarily speaking the fact that they reproduced is the threshold for success. You calling them inferior is just you ascribing your personal values for what you want in a man onto evolution. Nevermind the fact that the same proportion of women would necessarily have the same ancestors as these inferior males and would therefore give birth to inferior males as well.
>Basically, allowing for women to be hypergamous again and bottleneck the XYs. We are already seeing the process beginning in westernized countries. The proportion of left behind men/incels will only increase as women are free to reject them.
So your suggestion is to have the top percentage of men impregnate all of the women? If this is your suggestion its not what is currently happening. The actual data shows that people in general are having less and less children or going childless. Not that there are only a larger percentage of men not reproducing. Men who get with multiple women sexually actively try not to impregnate them most of the time. The closest thing to what you are suggesting would be the sperm donation process, which is an avenue through which successful men are having a disproportionate genetic impact.
The rise of settled societies and the conceptualization of private property actually led to less men passing their genes down, so the opposite of what you suggest. I don't know what you're smoking if you think that property = more equal distribution. Before property, in general most research seems to suggest that men limiting women's access to other men (intrasexual competition) is the reason why men pass down their genes at a lesser rate, rather than "women's pickiness".
I've been reading some commentaries on Descartes' philosophy, and apparently one of his beliefs was that animals can't feel pain, or rather, consciously process the pain as "suffering", because they don't have souls. They exhibit external signs of experiencing pain, but that's just an evolutionary advantageous bio-mechanical reaction that has no conscious experience behind it.
I thought about it, and realized that this could easily apply to moids. Moids can't feel pain. And aren't really human, because they have impaired emotional cognitive abilities, such as not having empathy, having a small emotional "palette" (the only thing they feel is anger, hornyness, and indignation). These experiences are essential for fully conceptualizing suffering, and understanding it.
So next time you see a scrote acting upset, or exhibiting """emotions""", just know that they are merely mimicking the outward characteristics of emotions, but on the inside, they are empty.
The only thing I disagree with is that we shouldn't deliberately cause harm to regular animals, as they are either harmless, or just following their nature without ill intentions. Moids, on the other hand, are intelligent enough to cause deliberate harm in an organized and global manner.
I hate seeing young girls; literal babies at that acting like there femcels for being kissless virgins as if it was so uncommon for their age or if the approval of some moid would fix them.
It's one thing to complain about how society treats unconventional looking women it's another to wallow in it or make it about a ducking actors.
watching a few people on the Femcel thread complain about being so ugly they don't get harassed by coomers made me want to A-Log at the pissbabies
*fucking moids ( Idk what happened to my auto)
Am a troon for being mad at young girls demeaning themselves now?
I actually believe animals have more of "a soul" then scrotes. Very few animals are as actively malicious as them
That's true. If you look at any mammal in the eyes, you can glean that there's something behind them. Like, you can read their emotions.
Not so with scrotes. It's like looking a lizard in the eyes. They don't have the mammalian social brains and are all secretly sociopaths.
The ancient Greeks thought that human reproduction was logically impossible, because how can a female give birth to a male, when they are diametrically opposed entities? So their idea was that women merely incubate the sperm, essentially cloning themselves. And women were just "undeveloped" men who didn't come out right.
Maybe part of it true. What if moids are actually skinwalking alien lizard people who infiltrated and enslaved the human race (women)? And they reproduce by injecting their vile parasitic larva into the poor victims, like wasps do.
You have to admit it makes a lot of sense.
In sci-fi may be; I still think there probably a mutation from our gene that managed to reproduce because it's adequate, not fantastic. Nature can function on good enough or thought that we'd be able to breed with the best rather then just the shitheads
Lmao anon this is the best tinfoil ITT
deep sigh so there is this internet friend guy whom I talked to for about a year, and we were like pals but he was making inappropriate compliments even tho I told him I hated being called cute, and at some point it just detonated my ass and I blocked him on the messenger, right
Well he remembered he had my contact on another messenger and sent me texts about being sorry and wishing that I find happiness so on and so forth, I ignored them lol
and now he shot me another message saying happy birthday even tho it's not the day yet
why do men have to be like this
I'm sorry you had a moid like that but I commend you for cutting contact with him.
What makes you think the female mate selection has anything to do with fitness? In the modern world some scwarny nerd with aspergers, IQ of 140 and an engineering degree is more useful than a traditionally attractive male.
Gene editing is going to happen and this caveman-style mate selection is no longer going to be a thing. Of course you should be happy about this, because most human conflict is really just sexual conflict. Not breeding with "inferior" won't help because incels will (as they always have in the past) tear down the society once the sexual disparity gets bad enough.
to be fair, if a secure guy has a lot of traits that make him easily able to adapt to society, chances are there's some genetic link to it, which is fitness. insecure, weak men that can't adapt often just have worse genes.
it'd just create difference divisions in society, at least for a very long time until the tech falls out of corporations' hands and becomes open-source to the masses.
now, I will give you this: chances are some sort of mini lobotomy pill will probably be created that will basically kill inceldom from the mind out anyway. or maybe communism wins out and we get a weird dys-utopia where everyone is the same, and looks no longer matter because it's been stamped out of our genome and we become featureless amorphous prehensile creatures. idk. some sort of weird shit. depends on how much human nature itself can be altered.
>not breeding will incels won't help
nor will breeding with them, lol. they literally spam all day why women sleeping with an "incel" tier man isn't real.
i feel like men cant be friends with women. men dont make friends with women unless he thinks shes cute or attractive, and they may not even be aware of it. most guys would say yes if their female friend asked them to date or hook up. there are a few outliers like childhood friends but its mostly true.
total simp, ignore and move on
I find this disturbing but true, women are in denial of men seeing them like an object to consume tbh.
"What? If I am offered a burger, I eat it." "Pizza is pizza. It's still pizza even if it's bad."
When I've pointed this out I've seen men 1. agree with me and say that's pretty much it
and 2. outraged, angry men reeing about being exceptions to the rule and seeing their many female friends as sisters.
I don't think that's simp behavior per se. I've seen a lot of men just arbitrarily become fixated on a woman as soon as he loses access to her and it rarely has to do with simping as even if he regains access, he'd default to the prior behavior that made him lose access to begin with.
>weird men: obsessed with firsts/virginity
>also men: usually doesn't give a shit about his child's first birthday part and the many other wonderful firsts in a relationship not related to sex/feeling complete ownership over someone, of which there are 100s, even ones with people that have had a prior partner
>still acts like it's about special experiences when it really is about ownership/feeling special
in other words, why misogynists/redpillers brag about how little shits they give for a woman's actions, character, etc., outside of subservience and chastity, acting like the only means of a woman having value to them is being a blank slate to write upon.
weird male topic for today since the topic of incels came up:
what do you think they'd think about girl, a goddess of altruism, that actually behaved like a charity drive for incels to have sex with? would it change if she was stacy? my guess is that they'd just be bitter about it, but most would partake.
What incels really hate is to be at the bottom of the male status heriarchy. They want society to value them, no just a hot woman giving sex.
They are just hungry of power, since they hold none, while other man "swim in pussy" and woman "can get as much sex as they want".
this, so much.
it comes down to them wanting and desiring something out of women that women can't actually give them, especially not forever.
the male partners she's been with are terrible (they're all terrible but some are worse than others) and/or PIV is not for her/her body. some do not care for PIV, some do.
for me, it feels good. doesn't make me come, but it is distinctly pleasurable.
what I notice in her post here is there is no evaluation on the ones she is with; they sound awful, like they're just jackhammering into her. and she doesn't even stop to think what if the problem lies outside of herself…
perhaps related but how men seem to think nearly all women's crying is an act… I have heard that FTMs have a difficult time crying once they take hormones but for men to assume women's bodies operate the same and so that means all tears are some kind of trick…
what does that say about when men are sad, upset, crying?
well, they would call her a whore/slut/toilet. and not even be grateful for her.
idk, it doesn't change the fact that your male partners don't give a shit about making you cum. feel free to @ me if they, after cumming, make sure they get off each time.
how are her male partners worse than yours? because they tried. hard and seemed apologetic.
and it's pretty normal for women to not feel that much.
also, what you responded to, the screencap…it showcases no particularly extreme assholery. men acting like that is extremely common.
>outside of herself
All males need power, some just get it more easily, incels are no different obviously. It's always power and to be seen a strong but they won't admit that and continue with their "hurr durr women don't understand men but we sure do know everything about women and every reasons for all of their thoughts and actions"
It depends on how you view it. It's only irrelevant if you think it's irrelevant. Evolution doesn't have "goals" to pursue or a mind of it's own, so humans can kinda get ahold of it. Eugenics don't have to be about who can successfully reproduce, but rather who is more useful for humanity as a whole.
And then they claim women don't understand how men's minds work. An average radfem knows how male mind operates more than an incel who obsesses over this shit constantly but still can't even get close. It's because they miss the 1st step to understanding women, is to see them as people
Women who call everyone pickme prob have internalized misogyny, so they think no matter what a girl does she does it to for men/attention
Block him before he gets actually salty and decides to send you his dick and get the satisfaction of 'revenge'
Well yes, they can't. It's a one sided friendship, where you see the guy as a friend and he sees you as a potential girlfriend.
I'm tired when men use the argument that they build the civilisation, that they invented everything, that there were more men leaders that women, while they completely ignore the fact that up to 1890 something years women didn't have human rights in almost 90% in the whole world. They ignore the fact women were forced to stay at home, could not own a house or have their own bank account, were treated as living incubators and they weren't recognised as human beings. Weren't allowed to vote, to cantidate for leaders, the female education was denied for a long time, and then men say - oh well we're just simply better!
If you builded the civilisation you must know it's history and when you use such stupid arguments it shows that you know nothing on the matter.
(Sorry if there a mistakes, english is not my native launguage.)
I'm in a middle ground as I only use the term for actual dick panderers or apologists but I also know they come in every flavor or size
Ultimately facing a man you want to get forces you to become a pickme, doing stuff to entice and trap him.
I like girls so I feel that's not an immediate concern to me. Also I came to know a lesbian who's GF kept making excuses for her creepy moid friend who clearly creeped on her so even " Pick mes" can come in lesbian flavoring.
The use of the word falls apart if you start applying it to women who aren't interested in men sexually. It defeats the entire point of the label rendering it meaningless.
They like to talk big shit about knowing things like that and being smart but I guarantee you the average moid has little to no knowledge on actual history besides surface level bullshit and even that's scarce kek.
Can they cry any harder? "Not liking men is sexist as fuck"
None the less idk what else to call this woman's GF. But yeah in general most women who are into women don't tend to be " pickmes" or overly apologetic towards men
this is why I don't care when men claim they are lonely or don't get emotional support, so many are extremely depraved and it feels like "MRAs" and other such men refuse to acknowledge it.
it's straight up dumb to be friends with most guys.
srsly. imagine getting to know a lukewarm sardine with no friends, emotionally supporting him, giving him morale, etc. and then imagine him getting salty about you having a life outside of him. and then ultimately feeling way worse about himself and bitter?? so the point in humanizing him is wasted, because he was incapable of humanizing her enough to only care about the friendship.
there are so many stories of guys whose lives are a wasteland that parasitically attach to a girl that has a much fuller life than them.
oh, bonus points if he thinks she's actually in his league.
yes, that's why regular guys say 100000s of jokes about how much they don't actually like women, often much more brutal than "I don't like women."
women have valid reasons for disliking men
we're essentially agreeing with each other.
>outside of herself
meaning, the problem lies outside of herself - the men that collectively care so little about the pleasure and safety of their female partners.
is it me, or insecure men are usually worse than secure ones?
the guy who tried to rape me (and then turned it around to pretend like i was the one who wanted to fuck and he rejected me) just sent me a follow request on instagram and i don't know what to do and i don't know how men can be so disgusting as to have the nerve to try and follow me as if it's nothing when he knows what he did.
unfortunately the only thing you can do is pretend it didn't happen and continue living your life. if he messages? ignore him. feel free to have the satisfaction of knowing he'll never get closure nor access from you.
They don't want to be punched down by others for what they are.
Men actually have the capability to be friends but unless they're mosly asexual, often times their inner creep has to be reduced to tiny bits (like, if he's really horny he gets pussy to satiate his inner creep from somewhere else, such as a steady girlfriend).
i honestly believe that "asexual" and "male" are an oxymoron. i don't think asexuality is a healthy or even natural thing in 99% of self-identified cases but i've never met a male who was legitimately asexual, and i'm not really sure if it's possible unless they have some kind of mental defect health issue that affects puberty
yeah, I agree. it's rather disappointing bc for all my roasts, some men really are cool to hang around but 90%+ sexualize their female friends and they're pretty much a second away from being down to clown in bed. they seem incapable of actually framing girls as just friends and sticking to it.
I remember a while ago seeing a guy that just sounded amazing and was a DnD nerd like me. cute jokes, same exact favorite book series as me, etc.
a friend of mine ended up wanting to make a point to me. he got a girl to go talk to him and literally within 1 minute got a TIMESTAMPED DICK PIC FROM HIM. the whole thing was sent to me as a streamed speedrun type thing.
to be fair though I actually assumed he was like that (because he's a guy), lol.
oh if it wasn't clear, the dude just took a new pic of his cock because a complete stranger asked him to.
eh, I think that's a bad take too though.
I've met a lot of asexual-like girls that were at complete peace with it and happier on average.
fair, i've personally never met someone who was legitimately asexual in my life, male or female, but the male ones were obviously more covertly perverted.
Again, it would not be too difficult for him to remain a friend, IF he had an outlet for his innate thirst of pussy (be it a 0.1 or a 10 on the scale…), such as a girlfriend or prostitutes… pussy for satiating sexual cravings and needs and friend for satiating emotional needs, social interaction, chit chat, etc.
remain? there was no friendship made. just don't want be buddies with a guy that'd make things sexual given any opportunity to do so.
when will women learn that they're usually better off without most men?
I keep seeing ones have extremely basic criteria that boils down to him being kind and secure, yet without fail they're called out for asking too much. No one even seems to say that men don't care because they aren't affected by questionable women that much, while in the meantime if a guy is the average, lazy, fake nice guy, etc., maybe being with him is in fact way, way worse than being alone. many get pregnant with such men and usually their entire lives are destroyed, and tbh it's not even worth it.
it feels like romance propaganda has to be pumped into womens' subconscious just to keep them giving the benefit of the doubt to men.
Someone just posted this "female delusion calculator" website on one of my chat rooms. I put in dating criteria that I thought was pretty reasonable but less than a tenth of a percent of guys even qualify. I like how they think that's an indictment of women and not men.
Igotstandardsbro (dot) com for anyone curious.
and then they act like it's some sort of moral corruption, because they think love is a charity drive for hobos–as if they'd feel ok with dating a girl that'd open her legs to most other men.
What did you select to get it down to less than .1%? Something reasonable to me (at least 5'7", makes 70k per year) gets 18%. Although I did not check the 'married' category because taken men are not in my dating pool but they have the same physical characteristics as nonmarried men.
Oh, I missed the obesity box. With that ticked, it's 10%. Still, your number seems very low. Are you looking for only super tall guys?
lol, I put in my height, my race, lack of obesity, and my income and I got 3.7%. yes, I'm extremely delusional, these are impossible standards to aspire to.
6ft, 25-30, 150k, obv not married or obese.
lol, omg, is this the same anon?
150k + 6ft is a lot. I feel like maybe just wanting one would be ok.
>>114171>indictment of men
also, imo we shouldn't hold stuff like not being tall enough against men (not that you should date short guys if you don't like short guys).
Guys who make 150k at age 25 are going to be very rare. I know people that age with masters degrees in engineering making 80k. The thing is most people with the potential to make that money will have just finished school, so they will be in an entry level position. If you limit it to that amoubt of money and that age I guess its only entrepeneurs.
good point. like I said it's so unrealistic that I wonder if OP is a troll.
150k is a number that maybe you'd be able to get if you just sugar babied it up. but certainly not in a young tall guy.
A guy at 30 has had 12 years to get it together. I have friends whose husbands make that in construction and mining, let alone the doctors and software developers. It's a lot but not THAT much.
Yeah at 30 there will be more, but most of those well put together guys will also be married, because if they can manage their financial life they can manage their love life. I focused on the lower age group, because those are more likely still single.
idk, still doesn't change that it's a very small amount of men overall. same with "over 6 feet."
did you find success yourself? what would be difference between 100k and 150k? imo if it was easy for you then it'd make a lot more sense to ask for.
Depends on where you are. In San Francisco, 150k/year is an entry-level position in software development for someone with a bachelor's degree.
FWIW I've had almost that amount of time to "get it together" and I don't make nearly as much. It's one thing to say that this would be my ideal partner, but I can't even fathom the self esteem required to have this as part of my actual criteria. As in, rejecting any man who earns less than that. But maybe that's just the result of a lifetime of being undesirable. Anyway, my criteria includes being a decent, empathetic and level headed human being, which is probably as rare as a 6 foot tall 25 year old earning that much.
Yeah you are right. If you live somewhere where rent is sacraficing your first born son you can get higher wages XD.
>>114182>if you have basic character/honor/morality standards you exclude almost all men
yep that was my point. on the upside at least it gives you a lot more time to focus on yourself rather than sifting through men.
unironically I'd probably get some sort of trailer and live in it if I had a 150k job in an area with insane rent, saving it up, and then leaving. it'd be a horrible way to live but that's a nuts amount of money.
As long as you don't get bothered by vagrants that would probably be a fun way to live when you are young
I got 35.4% (should be a little higher since I'm open to 2 races but it only lets you pick 1 or 3) but in practice I'm attracted to very few men because I have other, more specific tastes. So I feel like this score is completely meaningless
Also tfw it'd be 20% higher if I was okay with obesity. Why are so many people fat
That's like the bare minimum required to own a house in any suburb of a metropolitan area in the United States (which, for the record, don't have trailer parks, that's rural). I expect every decent person will make that at some point in their career if they're actually trying. Would be hard to raise a family in a trailer. $150k is solidly middle class.
That includes broke ass single people, losers, and retired people. The median household income that has one or more children under 18 is almost $100k
If you're talking about finding a partner people who are already married with children are irrelevant. That was the point of the conversation lol.
30 is prime time baby making. A man should absolutely be making 6 figures if he wants a family at that age, more if he lives near a big city.
Income data is mostly nonsense. Only half the population works a from time job. Wages vs household income are a big difference. Income changes drastically over time. The top 10% of earners is like half of all dads who have ever worked ever. Most families get there at some point in their life.
>>114193>It only seems like a lot of money when you compare it to the huge majority of people who don't make that much!
Uhh, yes? That's the entire point of averages. That'd be like saying being a millionaire isn't rare if you exclude all people who only have $999,999 or less.
Also retired people don't earn a wage, so they aren't a part of that statistic.
Also also first you said 150k was the bare minimum now suddenly you're saying 100k is the median.
Also also also let's not forget you just mentioned household income, which usually means two working people. If 100k is average for a household that means each person is making 50k individually, and this whole argument started with you saying it's perfectly reasonable to expect a single 25-year-old man to make 150k on his own.
At some point in the future not when they started dating their future wife they didn't
uh, I wasn't talking about raising a family or whatever, just being on my own and sacrificing quality of life in order to save up. it wasn't an actual plan? >>114193
yes, and the other person is acting like 150k is the bare minimum despite families (often including two incomes) barely scratching 80k.
Yeah, when looking at the whole US. I don't want to live in the middle of nowhere. $150k should be like the top third of guys in any city worth living in. That's reasonable.
so basically, a city with the highest inflation rates possible is the best city to live in?
ngl, I still feel like you're a troll. I really doubt you live in a city like that making 100k+ per year to afford it; to even remotely pull off what you want to do, you'd have to prowl the internet for potential specimens where it's way easier for men to lie. so you're basically acting like something you yourself can't even achieve is perfectly reasonable.
It's very telling that her rant about how anyone who isn't making $150,000 a year by 25 or else they're a "broke ass loser" was instantly stopped by asking how much she makes.
Stop replying to the moid who's only posting outrageous expectations so he can screencap his own posts and repost them while denigrating women.
>feminists (well, rad fems) for many years: porn negatively influences relationships/brains, here's what neuroscientists have found
>men: dumb insecure hag landwhale retard bitches
>therapist: ye porn negatively influences relationships/brains but let me pussyfoot around it as much as possible and pretending no one really knows how it affects the brain–then actually drops hard information about how it affects the brain
>also therapist: oh but let me clarify! it's not necessarily negative! yes, we just adapt to it! we don't stop technology and the human race advancing just because there's some consequences! we just learn about ourselves and it's fine!
>men in chat: spamming sex jokes and busting, talking like 10 year olds
>a small amount of men: yes! we need to bring attention to how damaging this is
it's interesting how basic-male caterers like this youtuber act, you can tell he's blunting himself heavily.
…not that he isn't doing good…he probably is.
oh. think the one poignant point he made - if not a complete joke - is about the "waifu revolution" where AIs/VR will replace real intimacy for many.
that's why I said "you sound like a larper" to them.
just for the record (and this is even to the weirdass lurkers here): yes, it's actually a thing where robot men plan stuff like this…i.e., make outrageous posts about women having unrealistic standards and then screencap it. I've seen them even planning it together. There's even statistics on men being nearly twice as likely to larp for the sake of self-harm.
>>114209>where AIs/VR will replace real intimacy for many
Tbh, I unironically see that as the only way for me to find happiness.
I’m not scrote, I’m just extremely undesirable, love-starved, and tired of trying.
I won't fault you for this so much, like, it's mostly my pet peeve when people have an addiction to that kind of stuff yet insist on dragging real people into their lives. There's a lot of manipulative men that act like the onus is on women to "fix" men and set them right. It's really dumb.
I'd only warn against making yourself too fixated on the idea of intimacy/sex because you end up creating more of an expectation for something you can't actually have. It's a red flag that you say "only way to find happiness", which makes me suspect your life is kind of shitty otherwise. But. Ye, this is PP, so whatever.
that guy is annoying. he just tells his audience what they want to hear so he can get them to pay for his therapy service
imagine going to Harvard and then having nothing better to do with your life than livestreams for incels
jfc, I was trying to be nice (despite my sass) but it really did look like his chat was full of 4channer-tier incels and I almost couldn't believe it. it looked like almost none of them were following him in any meaningful capacity.
Most 4chan types are aware that porn is bad for them but use it compulsively anyway, because they are addicts and social recluses. Its normal guys who use it in moderation that say there is no harm.
idk, I feel like I've seen the sentiment that it really doesn't cause that much damage is way more common.
I say so because I've barely seen any men, redpiller, incel, 4channer…to normie…remotely acknowledge that porn, especially excessive use, influences how they make or see relationships.
They don't consider it from the women's perspective, or in regards to thing like how wanting to cum on the face is from porn, but threads about how not watching it or not masturbating will somehow turn them into the ubermensch are very common.
Was reading about male serial killers (not a fangirl, faaaaaar from it, I like reading about how they're caught), I'm really convinced that men are far more unhinged than women, and are much more prone to slipping through the cracks when it comes to mental illness, child abuse, etc. I don't know if it's a genetic thing, or each man's personality, or a societal thing, but people should be MUCH more vigilant about fucking weird guys wandering around trying to talk to children.
90% of the time i see men say negative things about porn, it's always about the effects of addiction and not ethical issues with filmed porn in general. they only have issues when it affects them in the form of PIED (porn induced erectile dysfunction), premature/delayed ejaculation, when masturbation takes over their life, etc. when some men are
aware of ethical issues with porn, they usually act wishy-washy about it in my experience, in the liberal "pornhub is bad because it has stolen content but onlyfans is a better alternative" way
No matter hpw much I lower my standarts in this test it always says: Aspiring can lady.
This thread traumatized me. They even insult others with a different opinion.
The moment I realised men are degenerates happened when I was about 12. I was taking a train to school everyday, because I lived quite far from it. I was casually reading a book and I had a strong feeling of someone staring at me. Well, of course I was right, because the moment I took my eyes of that book I saw this disgusting male (I would say he was 30?) jacking off, looking straight into my eyes. I know, this story isn't even that extreme, but I had that awful image of his unwashed dick for months in my head.
Of course, that wasn't the last time I've witnessed this sort of behaviour in a train, but it was the first time I've realised how disgusting men are. Pretty simple story, i'm sure it happened to a lot of us.
What shithole do you live in that it is normal for moids to jack off in public transport with their dick out(assume it was out since you keep reimagining it)?>>114245
Moids are always mean to each other, especially online on anonymous sites. The less anonymous it is, the less mean are they to each other because they know there would be repercussion. It is not even in bad faith, just topping each other over who can insult stronger as if they were teenagers.
The height you have is 75th percentile so….
I assume the website is calibrated for the US>only 25% of men are 5' 11" tall
So 25%>66% of men are not obese
so 16.5% now
That's your hard ceiling assuming no other factors. I imagine a little under half of men that age range are married, so 10%~ is pretty accurate.
It is not even a shithole, it is the capital of the country I live in. And of course, his dick was out and there were quite a lot of people in the train too. Everyone ignored his behaviour, even though everyone knew how disgusting it was.
care to elaborate? im interested
When I lived in Brooklyn I regularly saw people jerking off and doing heroin on the train.
>all this money obsession
just GIVING ammo to the enemy
I mean, the problem is that half of the time it's a male larper.
>ammo to the enemy
Annnd, the problem is at this point most things would count as such. We see it as "ammo" because, tbh, let's be honest, creepy internet men deep-mine for as much hate porn SCs from women pretty much constantly.
While that is fairly common for moids in general, for moids on the internet even moreso and for moids on anonymous imageboards especially, /his/ particularly stands out as a paramount example of passiveagressiveness, sudden outbursts of autistic rage and gratuitous insults over nothing. Not kidding, I have seen innocuous 3-word posts get flooded by chains of insults on that board. It's perhaps one of the worst ones on 4chins right after /r9k/
i know some people will reply something like "i have an asexual friend who is normal, not all of them are like that" or "i'm asexual and not like that" but my experience with asexuals in general is usually that they have a stunted sexuality development, either from abuse (sex-repulsion, i've talked to people who are terrified by the thought of having sex but love erotic roleplaying because their bodies aren't involved) or being put on medication at a young age (i had a friend at school who was on prozac during his teenage years and identifies as "demisexual" as an adults, he isn't the only one since i've talked to people who were put on medications before puberty and grew up not experiencing feelings) like the image of an asexual would be to most person is a person who doesn't have sex, but then i've known asexuals with libidos, asexuals who enjoy porn (they consume it to almost coomer levels), enjoy sex but don't feel invested in who they have sex with (they just enjoy the stimulation), asexuals who have fetishes (normal sex doesn't appeal but bondage or fantasy like vore does) etc. i see gender critical terf types complain about the non-binary trend and how vague it is but i personally see the asexual thing as the sexuality counterpart, even if it was around earlier
a lot of male asexuals in my experience deal have either the stunted development combined with the porn/fetish stuff, there was one guy i knew who identified as asexual because he didn't want to have sex that involved his penis, but he was very into feet. i've also run into profiles asexual men on dating apps (one was a TIM who identifed as "sensual aroace"), which is a technique i've heard of men doing to try to gain trust with women, because if a guy is self-proclaimed not a horndog then he's probably, safe, right?
history and nationalism for moids is tribal warfare and war same as gang bangers>>114313
It's not even just nationalism, it's religious, ideological, political and pseudo-philosophical shitflinging, so 10 times worse at least
history and nationalism for moids is tribal warfare and war same as gang bangers>>114313>>114318
All of it is the same to gang up and win over other moids. religion is a lie to fight over into a my dick (religion) is bigger than yours or can control women better>>114318
im ace myself, but i definitely see what you're talking about. the only ace people ive seen self identify online have either been traumatized women, or trans people. i've never seen a "normal" man try to claim to be asexual (though you see a lot of "i dont want sex until im comfortable in the relationship </3" which ends up being 4 days anyway).
i guess to me its just interesting to see who else is out there and how the representation for us is to people who aren't ace/aro. thanks 4 the input nona
I've known a guy since childhood and I he's basically legitimately asexual. I have never heard him express any sort of sexual interest in all these years and he always got visibly uncomfortable whenever someone else would make a dirty joke or something. He was super disillusioned with how all the teens in our friend group were getting horny kek
But he has Asperger's (or something similar, idr) and it's obvious; he is mainly interested in stuff like Pokemon and Beyblades and is generally very childish for someone in his mid 20s. So not exactly normal but yeah, I think there are some rare autistic types who are just too enveloped in their interests to care about sex. Those are the only people I'd consider true asexuals, I find the whole "I watch porn and have sex and write smut fantasies but I'm totally asexual teehee!" type to be suspicious.
Black, I'm Asian
not to racebait but upon further thought, I think it's a bit hypocritical that some men who would criticize women for being "too picky" according to that test also hate when they race mix. Either I'm scrutinized in various ways for engaging in wmaf or I'm being too picky because there are almost no men of my own race where I live. And I can't "go back to my own country" because I was never a part of it and I don't have any basis of being allowed to immigrate there, especially since I'd be illiterate
you're not wrong. a lot of the internet-misogynists have a huge preference for a certain race and age group.
they get around the fact that they actually crush on an extremely small percentage of women by the idea that they'd fuck more than what they actually like.
>>113850>What makes you think the female mate selection has anything to do with fitness?
Why are you implying I'm implying that?>In the modern world some scwarny nerd with aspergers, IQ of 140 and an engineering degree is more useful than a traditionally attractive male.
Why the emphasis on attractiveness and fitness? It feels like you don't get what I'm saying and are too boxed-in with scrote interpretations of what makes for a quality mate.
Incels of any species attempting to overcome their replacement is always going to be a phenomenon, but it's not an impossible threat as evidenced by the fact evolution exists.
Anyways you sound like a man.
Men are easy to understand because
1. they are simple monkey coom goblins
2. they are open and honest and unashamed about being simple monkey coom goblins
3. women have the empathy to formulate with accuracy how a simple monkey coom goblins think
Men think women are hard to understand because
1. they are simple monkey coom goblins and struggle immensely to understand most things aside from ways to coom
2. they have virtually 0 empathy skills and cannot think abstractly in a way which allows them to see anything from someone else's perspective
3. the combined two makes them unable to perceive women (coom targets) as people
I think that website was already discussed in some other, older thread. It's made by I think incels, which is not to be trusted. Because why the fuck as a woman would you trust anything made/said by an incel
Nah. If they do shit like this they're most likely doing it to harm women. Not self harm if they want to hurt others be it for amusement or potentailly recruiting more moids into their pathetic cult
being able to relate to this stereotypical woman psychology makes me feel bad about myself
men just don't want to know about our bad feelings like we want to know about theirs
they can't respect us unless we just go away and suffer in silence like they do
to them it is disgusting and unworthy of respect to look after people's feelings the way women instinctively do
that is a really painful thing to realise
that what you want to do and are good at is unwanted on a basic psychological level
What occurred to me is that moids and women are fundamentally incompatible on a psychological level. We have completely different way of analyzing reality, different values, different emotional ranges, etc.
We might as well be different species. After being subjugated by moids for thousands of years, the meager amounts of freedom and independence we've gained have only highlighted this fact. In fact, the whole incel movement is a direct response to women gaining a little bit of independence and having actual choices in how to manage their romantic life.
The more independence we get, the more obvious it becomes that moids and women can't live in the same society.
EXCEPT, if we get rid of toxic male sexuality.
Hear me out, here's what I propose. I think all males should be castrated as soon as soon as they reach puberty. Before that, a sample of their semen should be extracted with a needle, and put in a globally accessible (by females only), female run sperm bank. It should have a website and a phone app for convenience.
There will never be any more rape, or violence (male sexuality is closely tied with violence), no more cheating, and men won't have power over women. In fact, it will be the opposite. If a woman were to marry a (now castrated) male, she'd have access to his vial in the sperm bank. She could of course use it to make a child, but If he misbehaved or hurt her in any way, she could request the sperm bank to destroy the vial, ending his only chance at passing on his genes. That would sure make them obedient.
Me, personally, I'd just hold my finger to the "destroy vial" button while talking to any male, looking them straight in the eyes lol.
Maybe somedays if I get bored, I'd open up profiles of random men and click on the "destroy" button for half an hour. Actually, they should make it a feature, like one of those rhythm tap games, where every tap destroys a random sperm vial lol.
>>114406>castrating all men
Kek inb4 an incel screencaps this and claims this is the feminist agenda
you all think your cocks and sperm is the most valuable thing on earth but it's worthless at best and actively destructive at worst
boy howdy you should hear how women are actually treated today all over the globe if that got you to post lmao
earlier in this thread someone posted a link where hundreds of moids in just a few hours in one thread on 4chan said raping children is based
but moids think some hyperbolic post about sperm bank destruct buttons means she deserves to die. I wish males had the ability to view the world objectively, without their narcissism/0 empathy/coom filter.
It's what finally gets them because they are quite literally obsessed with their own sperm.
Women, to them, are just a means to an end, of spreading their sperm.
Why do you think they are so vocal on women-only issues like abortion? They care very deeply about their sperm.
Hell, they even started a no-fap movement because they felt bad about wasting all that sperm.
People say some men are coombrains, when in fact ALL men are cumbrains, and are restrained by society into acting vaguely human.
>>114421>Hell, they even started a no-fap movement because they felt bad about wasting all that sperm.
It's funny moids get into nofap for 'semen retention' pseudoscience, literally because they are so coombrained they think their cum is sacred and their cum-retained musk will attract more women…. they are so embarrassing.
Men still leak cum or ejaculate in their sleep if they don't masturbate for a long period of time. Also, did you know that the quality of sperm decreases every time they cum? Christ, now i understand why men are so violent and misogynistic. must be hard living in denial pretending you're the valuable sex here…
many, many, many months ago I was an idiot who called out some 4channers making fun of a guy being raped (yes, it happened).
and dozens told me that I deserve to be raped, beaten, and lynchmobbed. yes. that was when I last slipped (and have avoided 4chan ever since).
I know where you're coming from but at some point you gotta like stop a train of thought also this sounds kinda too… yeah..
Idk, I think that's the anon that regularly drops hyperbolic bio-solutions to the Men-ace and at this point I kind of just let it go. Why? Because there's no way any of it can work, plus it's glorious how it always baits men (honestly any man who lurks here is a massive creep; I'd feel guiltier about it if it was actual regular guys seeing it).
Well, it's either that, or we execute all men except the bare minimum number of the genetically fit ones, just enough to prevent inbreeding. Then quadruple amputate them, and keep them hooked up to life support machines permanently, to extract semen if needed.
But I thought that would be a bit too cruel, so I decided against it. I'm not a monster.
That is, unless none of the proposed solutions will work. Then, sadly, this would have to be the last resort solution. The FINAL solution, so to say, hehe
>>114406>What occurred to me is that moids and women are fundamentally incompatible on a psychological level.
It's because men and women approach life differently that them getting together leads to something great than themselves. Yes, on the one hand, there can never be true understanding, on the other hand, there doesn't need to be. Didn't read the rest of the post because too long.
this is usually not true except in rare cases. most guys would immediately dump their partners for a 10/10 if there was no monetary or social consequence.
As a lesbian my viewpoint might be flawed, as I mostly know gay men, but I think that so much of the bitterness between straight people could be removed, if everyone aknowledged that males are incapable of monogamy.
That’s why they need porn and/or masturbation. And that’s why they lose sexual interest in their partners the more time goes on, no matter how attractive. And that’s why they cheat on those attractive partners. And that’s why orgasming is their priority and utmost need. It’s very visible in the gay male scene.
Not necessarily a bad thing, just very alien to women, who need love and long-term commitment.
Men need to move on and fuck as many partners as possible. To them, being stuck with just 1 partner forever, would be like eating just 1 food forever.
The society should aknowledge this asymmetry between the sexes, and abort/lobotomize 90% of the future males (to avoid sexless/almost sexless men, who cannot satisfy their urges to move from partner to partner), from becoming a bigger problem.
As entertaining as these are, tbh it's too funky, even for me.
IMO, men are actually becoming more "polygamous" and entitled to sexual novelty because of porn.
It's why so many sex lives in marriage drastically improve when men quit.
Porn is how people are learning about sex and the problem is porn = blowjob followed by jackhammering and cumming in the girls eyeball.
i know men are shit either way but i saw some interesting tumblr blogs of gay men who agree with TERFs and try to practice those beliefs; they don't watch or approve of porn, they don't support TIFs or TIMs (gay men who become TIMs get some sympathy when they don't prey on straight men at least), they avoid hookups or at the very least avoid sleeping around with older men, they don't participate in things like bondage or drugs, etc. those men seem somewhat healthier in their lifestyle but then they also talk about being alienated by the wider gay community. i know some people might say they're just suppressing their true nature for feminist approval, but i've also seen conservative gay men who don't care about that kind of thing have similar sentiments about hookups and whatnot. they're not the majority but they're interesting to consider
so many men have mommy issues because mother is the one female they are not supposed to copulate with and any limits on their sexuality makes them seethe.
lmfao, there is this moid on youtube who does a show daily about how awful modern women are for a bunch of incels. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCJsy3nETXIKDauMOwv3pOUw/videos
This is so ridiculous I can't believe its a thing, they actually watch this garbage
What do you think are the chances he actually looks like his avatar?
Its pretty common. Complaining about women used to be one of the meat and potatoes of u tube when it was a smaller platform without mega corporations and stuff like that on it
None. It's impossible for incels and incelish content creators to look attractive. All the guys I've seen that look like this weren't flaunting their misogyny right and left and making it into their personality. Even when those type of faggots are trying to become more attractive, they do it from a man's perspective, which is almost the opposite of a cute long haired elfy guy.
There is a channel called MGTOW moments. In his channels the person collects random MGTOW videos from TikTok made from men who complain about women and repeat like parrots ''She belongs to the streets! Ca-Caw! She belongs to the streets!''. It also has videos created by juvenile men talking about how women are always dating multiple partners, how they will steal your money (even if the most expensive thing the man has is a PS4) and sperm (even if they have already broken their penis from jerking off or killed most of their sperm by unhealthy life choices).
Yet even if almost his entire contenct is surrounded by such negative videos about women, allmost all of the oictures on the videos are beautifful women showing off their butt or breasts.
This shows that no matter how much men despise the female population, they can't control their animalistic instincts and still desire the female body and prettiness, and this makes them seethe, because it shows how inferiour they are compared to women.
Men always beat themselfs in the chest about how much better they are than women and yet they say: ''B-but w-w-w-women are trying to control us w-with their s-sexual powers! They are trying to control us by making us be led by our desires!''
If men were really so much better than women they would never let be led by their sexual urges. Women have the real control and they are going insane from it.
tbh it's like men are extremely desperate to find shit to hate about women, like, this is such petty, TMZ, baby-tier shit.
exactly.>women just want to use men for free drinks at a bar!
compared to… domestic violence, sexual assault, murder. it's absolutely insane something so petty enrages them to this extent when we face being assaulted being at the wrong time/wrong place.
It's "trans woman" without referring to them as women
>>114552>adding "use" to anything
tbh, I see throwing that onto anything a very manipulative thing to do and I see it all the time when misogynists are trying to demonize extremely petty, small things in order to pretend women do as much bad things as men despite statistics showing the opposite. a while back I saw a guy say "women use men for their friendship! those nice guys just want to fuck!" as if it was some sort of crazy martyr shit and those guys were victims.
I don't know how you guys manage to go through such filth. I feel like I became a creep-expert after just weeks years ago of on/off examining male spaces and also scarred for life.
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i agree that men naturally want to have as many partners as possible, but i think to some degree the same can be said for women. i think men fail to reflect on what having so many partners, or watching so many different people, does to their psyche as a whole. many men would call a woman who sleeps around unstable, and yet fail to recognize that they are doing the same damage to themselves. hence why as >>114483
mentions, some men are able to reflect upon why this behavior is harmful and avoid it altogether. i also think that pron desensitizes men to their own partners which just ends up encouraging adultery.
sometimes i wonder if not holding men accountable for their actions, boiling them down to coom brains, and not acknowledging that they actively choose their degenerate lifestyle does more harm than good. yes, women should avoid men, and yes, men are disgusting. but they are not slaves to their sexual desires, they are just addicts looking for people to enable their bad habits. they will do anything to get their fix, no matter how much it negatively impacts every other person in their lives.>>114209
the few men that are capable of reflecting on the negative impacts of porn can never be honest about their findings, because men will always choose other men as their target audiences and have no choice but to coddle their feelings lest they turn on him. nothing like unwanted knowledge to make a moid scurry the other way.>>114160
and then moids will complain that women have unrealistic standards from their romance books that they use to cope with the lovelessness of 99% of heterosexual relationships.>>114127
one of the worst parts about it is that if you are in a male-dominated space and have no choice but to interact with men, its incredibly difficult to form and maintain some semblance of a friend group because if you chastise a moid for being inappropriate, the other moids in the group will choose him over you. >>114109
in general i'd say absolutely, because oftentimes the insecure ones are insecure because they have been coddled for a lot of their life into believing that they are the best at everything and born to triumph, and when they reach an age where such delusions can no longer be maintained, their egos crumble upon themselves. such juxtaposition between their inner feelings of superiority and their outward propensity for failure creates a hotbed for degrading others.>>113882
and its why they are so prone to committing mass shootings, it places them in a position where they control the lives and wellbeing of other people>>113879
they are so honest about how disposable they view us as, sometimes i wonder how straight relationships can still exist
This moid told a women that he hopes she gets raped and murdered because she said something he didn't like. God I hate men so much.
Men are genuinely insane and can't be trusted in polite society.
>grr why are all women whores why isn't anyone a virgin. Why are you a whore?
>"I'm a virgin"
>WHAT NOOOOOO YOU'RE LYING! ALL WOMEN ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WHORES THOUGH???????
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he's raped a woman or a girl or is a pedophile.>>114660
and the thing is being a pick me gets you nowhere. these men that you're groveling for will just use and abuse you and then move on to the next barely legal girl they find.
I feel it really really strongly that men steal everything from the vast majority of young women, when their mind is still developing. Misogyny / femininity reinforce deep crippling self-loathing in them, which OBLITERATES their ability to use the full extent of their intellect, have healthy habits, feel accomplishment and high, which are the only real long-lasting goodness you get out of life.
Even if you were to say you're fine, I know a ton of women who do, and still diminish themselves little by little everyday, to appease others. They lose track of how much they did it, live less and less everyday, until they've become lowkey emotional labor handmaidens. They look and act fine but their existence and high on life (which I should say is what truly makes you good at everything, able to see solutions, get on a roll) is so diminished. ←this is what men take advantage of, and strive to take away from women, but they won't talk about it.
Even really pretty women start questioning themselves, self-censoring good qualities etc for approval. It shows. Looks promise you nothing. Maybe its even better to go through a slightly over weight phase to get your mind off of that lie. Love is just temporary too. It doesn't keep promises, the way you can to yourself. To get stuck in the downward spiral of self-loathing, or looks obsession is giving yourself over to what they want. Control over your mind, to push your buttons, and make you feel how they want, so you will do what they want.
If you do not feel the kind of high you get from building, health, intellect, creativity you're living such a diminished existence. Needing a relationship is mostly crippling. Even FANTASY is superior to the garbagebin for yourself that is love from 90% of men. Since the pickings are so slim though… why would you even get hung up on having something most women can't?
Though I don't think you have to give up on love, it can always just come second to last lol…
That unphased "male" kind of high is the only thing that makes things enjoyable and easy, which is what makes you better. Nobody talks about, because talking about it would be dangerous. Its the only thing that makes good habits and existence easy. You can't if you are bogged down in insecurity or the habit of constantly censoring yourself, watering yourself down, hating yourself. If you have bad habits and everythings hard to you, its mostly because you don't know how to enjoy them or take the easy way, until your existence sustains a high.
From what I've seen, I'm convinced men routinely live to steal this from women, without their knowing. How the FUCK this isn't a huge conversation blows my mind.
So I can't even pretend to be a part of society where female self-loathing have influence or impact on me.
Seeing women wallow in self-laothing makes me sick. They act exactly the way men want them to. Resigning to exactly what men want from them. It boggles my mind that they start off so ignorant to the fact. How do you NOT grow up noticing this blaring fact?? How is it not completely obvious?? I mean its right in front of our face from the time we are 12. We see the difference in our existences So why?
EVERYTHING of yours is destroyed when you place importance on men, what they think, say, impose on you.
Love is one big contaminated game you can't win no matter how you look. I know perfect women. Beautiful, sweet, generous, smart who are used and treated like dogs. Britney Spears herself, was treated like a dog, Janet Jackson was treated like a dog. None of it promises you anything so what is the point?
It doesn't matter what you do, if you walk around and talk with a diminished mind, hyper-focusing on what is inferior about you, they have you exactly the way they want you. You can't possibly know what you're missing. Its a sign you were probably assimilated into "femininity" and ruined from the start. I don't know how in the hell I'm the only one I really hear talking about this.
No lie i did notice that in many ways my self esteem improved once i figured out i liked women better then men- it's still a WIP because of ( non male) related traumas and me wanting to improve my general health ( more for the sake of doing things i have wanted to like dancing ballet and or doing yoga with looks being secondary to me i think)- but it's freaky how that was enough to boost up my morale other then finding my spirituality and a large female community online, so i do think you have a somewhat good point; living off the approval of men makes you miserable on the long run and at times makes so bitter you fling your shit at women and girls around you ( at least that's how i explain the POS women i had in my life. I still hold them accountable for making me feel bad about myself and my womanhood even if i know the root of their issues is done by men/ societal shit)
Their next response is "b-but men also suffer from those things! look, men kill themselves more often, get killed more often and get raped more often" but they can't examine the statistics they use in their favor.
if you find out your the type that daydreams ideas goals solutions to problems or art ideas things that you care about or anything of high value to yourself or anything you care about and only to forget them the next hours or day. WRITE THEM DOWN.
>>114677>love is temporary
it's insane seeing people act like the romantic form of it the greatest certainty in the world…when it really is like growing attached to something that's basically a rental of oxytocin and rental and then having it able to be snatched away from you at any time.
you're right. looks are a trap. I was a victim of my insecurities so I know how these things can consume you. Didn't fret about my looks for most of my youth–then, the fact that most of the bullying and mistreatment I went through being caused by the way I look hit me like a wrecking ball. and even before then, in any interaction, I saw myself leering back. always self-conscious, skittish.
it really didn't help that I was actually a truly embarrassing person and the ugliest in the school. I made the alt kids look normal.
the sick part is that for the past few years I suffered I…knew all of what you said. what it really was about. I saw how it twists up other women and makes them neurotically seek out any bit of catharsis or certainty they can from it. driving their self-concept around the way they look, while other women are enemies like >>113253
and making sure the status quo is enforced.
What happened to Amanda Todd fucks me up and I know it's happened to countless other girls- and no one gives a shit.
Hundreds, thousands of pedo moids coaxing children/teen girls into sexting and posting nudes, then spreading them as revenge porn and blackmail used for more incriminating pictures. These girls aren't fully aware of the depravity and soullessness of scrotes (I blame libfems and moids pretending like men and women are the exact same with their only being a few "bad apples" that exist for both sexes equally), and just like the positive attention and validation.
Men offer seemingly endless rewards for becoming a sex object, but once you give in and do what they want, they punish you harshly. Males in your age group talk about it, you see it in the media, online, from other girls, everything is encouraging these girls to perform humiliating acts of femininity and self-loathing in order to be valued as people. All girls are sent the message to be perfect pornstar sex dolls while simultaneously having to remain pure and chaste. It's a line you can never ride and moids will always hate you, use you, exploit you, hurt you. She ended her own life not only because of the scrotes who blackmailed her but because of the larger scrote support system which even made the blackmail possible- that every scrote will continue the torment with insults, shaming, or at best withdrawal. Every male brain operates on the same programming. They may never go as far as blackmailing children, but they'll enable it. Even the police did absolutely nothing to help her, to find the men responsible and punish them.
Hell, the documentary I was watching on her was foul. Flashing pictures of her barely-censored leaked nudes and videos of young girls dancing in their underwear. The scrote reporter blaming the "budding, exploratory sexuality" inspiring girls to seek old men, and old men being "lured" by their provocations. Absolutely vile. This girl gets 0 sympathy from males and I feel like so many women don't talk about this because 1. they know it will fall on deaf ears and 2. they probably experienced similar and don't want to open old wounds/make themselves a target.
Male sexuality is an oppressive shadow that envelops this earth.
Everything it touches it eats, destroys, and spits out. It inspires these males to see through endless atrocities to satiate themselves. Males, who could otherwise potentially become fully human, are essentially automatons who act only in service to their sexual urges. Everything they do is inspired by their sexualities, nothing else seems to matter to them. Their motivations, goals, and achievements are never more than 2 steps away from the goal of procuring sex. They lose all motivation to self-actualize unless they have objects (women) to consume. Sexless males are almost completely emotionally, and often physically, catatonic, excluding the random bursts of capricious violence created through years of stewing in bitter resentment. When they do play at philosophy, their sex-obsession, neurotic indignation and covetousness of their targets (women) seeps into nearly every on of their "novel" ideas.
Imagine a world without male sexuality. Imagine a world where no one is classified as an object to use and discard. Imagine a world where half the population could exist as humans instead of dick-propelled, violent robots. How freeing would that be? How much would the quality of life improve for all of humanity?
I again realize just how bad things are, just how truly enslaved and weak the male mind is when I see their attempts at emotionally resonating with others through humor aka relatable memes. Showcasing how their minds are in complete service to their desire to coom, that they truly believe reach some form of enlightenment or purification by simply not jerking off to hentai for periods longer than 48 hours. I can't imagine living like that. I can't imagine a reality where my existence as a person is secondary to my existence as a sperm excretor. >>114488
MRAtubers another example of the same phenomenon. They cannot help themselves but to surrender to their sexual desires, even when actively hating the targets of said desire. Misogyny itself and their performance of it is centered around the analysis of women's sexual appeal and sexual value. Women (sex targets) are an obsession for them that even understanding and objecting to their desires exhibit same exact patterns of obsession.
to any German-speaking nonas the ZEIT Gyncast episode on the clitoris is very good
tfw religion was essentially invented to artificially encourage men to not doom spiral into extreme depravity
i work in tech and every time my team has to talk with clients (who are always all male) the clients always acknowledge my male coworkers and pretend i dont exist. i hate this fucking industry but i love having a desk job.
But its also easy to gain weight focus on yourself a
By yourself and ignore them. You can still enjoy an amazing high on life when you live completely separate and never chain yourself down.
Religion was invented to harness male depravity in a controlled way. It still depends on the suffering of women's as a servile class to moids in order to pacify them into being reasonably compliant.
>>114771>It still depends on the suffering of women's as a servile class to moids in order to pacify them into being reasonably compliant.
That doesn't seem the case for religions across the board. Buddhist monks aim to get rid of desires as it is seen as a root cause of suffering. They're not promised some servile wife or a harem of women throughout or at the end of it.
Buddhist think that women are incomplete beings incapable of reaching enlightenment/transcendence and have to be reborn as males to do so. A woman is basically a cursed being living in purgatory, worthy of all the contempt that comes along with it.
Semites are busy with the tedium of micromanaging women's domestic life and their subservience to males in a more literal sense, but eastern religions are just another flavor of misogynist. They treated women like shit because they view us as subhuman and think our existence is (at best) transient and inconsequential, or the manifestation of some sort of divine punishment (of which they will aid as it suits them).
That sucks. One of my friends is studying biomedical engineering and one of the guys she was working on a project with refused to shake her hand or look in her direction, because he's a muslim.
Buddhism is a way to placate undesirable men. In all the cultures that have buddhism it is seldom the dominate religion, because it is meant for the losers of the society to become volcel monks. So the normal Raj is a hindu and gets a wife and his loser brother Sandeep becomes a buddhist monk.
Yeah I witness it very often. It's also very easy an common to look for "leaks" or things like that, basically compiled folders of girls/women sending their nudes to someone or being unknowingly recorded while drunk, and getting probably blackmailed using those files (and by blackmailed I mean they threaten them to send those pictures to their family/friends if they don't do x, they do x and still leak those pictures)
Not dating moids =/= free from patriarchy. Kind of a 1st world take.
The Dalai Lama has repeatedly said to forget the sexist problems presented by Buddhism, on multiple occasions. His opinion is that it is there to improve the lives of everyone.
Maybe it is, but if you can, you should think that way, regardless of what isn't possible in other places.
I guess so. The best thing you can do for women is to not trap yourself with a male and birth children from him
Yet they still treat women really badly and tell them that their bodies are inferior and they should hope to be reincarnated as men.
Yeah let's just forget that women are inferior in yet another religion/cult. Buddhists are parasites.
Most religions project undesirable male traits onto women and Buddhism isn't any different. They portray women as degenerates who only care about having sex with men, whilst also making it out that women "trick" males into finding them attractive. This is pretty much males projecting their own insatiable sexuality onto women. The reality is that males are the ones who are chained down by their own desires, doomed to live their lives as glorified sperm dispensers.
>>114826> glorified sperm dispensers
will men ever admit porn usage is both bad for them and women?
I keep on being exhausted at the new neuroscience that eternally seems to come out about its usage and I gather that it really is actually worse than other past-times.
video attached is the typical spiel on how it affects the brain bc you know 99.99% of men don't care about the sex trafficking, nonconsentual videos, or revenge porn that like their favorite porn lists.
i hate how shit like nofap and no nut november focuses more on the sexual issues that come from watching porn and not the issues of porn itself
getting "islam is a feminist religion" vibes
>>114826>They portray women as degenerates who only care about having sex with men
This is something all "philosophical" scrotes say for some reason. I browsed /pol/ and the majority of them there think women are all superwhores and will destroy society by sleeping around with infinite men, which is why we need to be oppressed and kept in line. So weird how they will say and believe this while also saying women are too picky/prudish/"hypergamous".>whilst also making it out that women "trick" males into finding them attractive
Males are incapable of admitting that they have any defects. Rather than being born an incomplete, cumbrained XY, they think there's a huge conspiracy where women are mind controlling them into obsessing over sex with us. Which honestly begs the question as to why we would even if we could. Who wants to live in a world with male sexuality a la >>114750
Males only care about their pp feels so porn is a contentious thing for them. They have to calculate how much pp feel good from immediate gratification compared to how much pp break over time.
They honest to god think of it like a math equation. Most men formulate some general porn-consumption baseline to maximize pleasure and negate drawbacks in the most efficient way. 1-2x a week is what they say is "normal" usually, but it's all a coomculation.
>half the moids in western countries are misogynistic incel chuds
>the other half are tranny worshiping soys
Just cancel moiddom already, it's past its expiration date.
funny thing about that, I've seen guys like that also say society will be destroyed if women are too difficult and refuse to give men sex because ~sex is a need~.
they then go on about "looksmatches" and monogamy with yours, but fact is most guys wouldn't want to treat their mediocre or ugly pair as if she's wife-material (and men are actually happier being looks hypergamous and less happy if they're not on average, it's actually studied). and, I noticed it becoming more and more normal for men to spam "femcel" about any woman that doesn't put out. go fuckin' figures, kek.
it's also interesting because, like…you can tell that they genuinely think women have a monopoly on any remotely abstract negative quality, even if most studies on such qualities mostly show this: that either it's equal between the genders, or men have them more often.
for example, narcissism and overconfidence is something men are more likely to have…but misogynists are often obsessed with women all being narcissistic? ok.
ngl, it's like they're very desperate to demonize women and create a no-win situation for them.
be a literal trad wife? they will instantly want you to die once you hit 30 and then become a brood-mare husk.
The thing is men don't hate promiscuous women. They hate promiscuous women who also like to be treated as human beings. Hence why most of them complain and project there lust onto women while also supporting pornography and wishing things like prostitution was legal.
I literally cannot understand how anyone can be attracted to masculinity. The more obsessed a guy is with it, the more he uses it to power trip, and the lazier he is emotionally.
Right? Femininity is such an aphrodisiac to me lol
Wasn't it started for an association or something?
I don't even really believe most women are attracted to it. I believe they say they are out of fear and that's it. I don't think women even learn how to feel real attraction most men. There are probably 10% that are really attractive, but most women never really feel that way, they just get in line for what they're shamed into, as usual.
Given how men tend to age i buy it
Only 10% of them age really well. That is a collossal myth.
it's kind of sad bc this is actually a case of women not being as shallow as men. they grin and bear their husbands growing from strong to mole-rat like and weak.
instead of actually getting credit for it, though, men have narcissistically took it as "men age like wine." no, they either ignore it…or actually have more varied tastes than mens'.
I feel like a lot of men actually buy into it too and end up becoming that 1/10 mega-creep - probably married - scaring teen girls, instead of that suave gentleman they think they are in their head. >>114889
yep. when I point this out men act like I'm literally saying "most men can't be loved!" like. wut. the leap of logic there is legendary.
what do you guys feel about Radiohead's Creep?
I dislike it, though also kind of relate to it–I have never crushed on such an angelic person and bemoaned not being on their level, sure, but feeling weird? yes.
I always figured it was basically the incel anthem, except it's a bit too self-aware.
Have any of you ever considered you might just be lesbians in denial?
>>114960>men: lose almost all attraction to women over 35>some women: yeah, no, older guys just aren't that hot, most guys aren't that impressive either but I'm into some ones>also men + Pickmes: oh sweatie you must be gay
Or, surprise! Some women are into manly guys.
Tbf with me they're all fictional but stil.
No need to be so defensive. I'm just saying there's only so many times the posters of these threads can go through the same song and dance of saying>Ever notice how like 99% of men are super ugly?>Omg yes! They're just objectively not attractive, women are so much more beautiful.>Yeah the only man I find even remotely attractive are the super feminine ones. Weird.
Before you have to start wondering if there's something you're denying about yourself.
honestly anon it's just true that women are better looking. they evolved dimorphically to be more attractive than men on average, they primarily attract a mate with their looks, women put more effort into their looks on average, etc. also literally >>114885
is probably gay.
I've only felt sexual attraction for guys (abet only under specific circumstances and cases), but I find women way easier to look at.
Regarding the porn discussion above, do you gals think it's better if moids watch illustrated pornography, like hentai, instead of live action porn? I still think it's gross and disgusting, but at least it doesn't hurt women IRL?
Honestly, all expressions of moid sexuality are toxic, no exceptions.
There were some disagreements about my suggestion of castrating all males, but how about adding male libido blockers into tap water? I think it's a decent compromise.
Denial of what? I am bisexual lolol
Not that doesn't make any of the arguments less strong though
Its more feasible but unless most female population turns gay or can reproduce on it's own neither scenario are unlikely to happen.
We should adjust age of consent, so that the age of consent for women is 25, and age of consent for moids is 18. So that a moid who has sex with a girl below 25 can go to jail if the girl decides the relationship was abusive.
Rape/consent is all about power, and in today's patriarchal society, even 18 year old moids hold more power in society than mid 20s women. Age of consent should be changed to reflect this. Women need more control over their sex lives, and seeing how much middle aged men prey on young women, I think it's justified.
Excuse me if I happen to be retarded, but the lack of ability to give consent (why age of consent laws exist) is supposed to be an example of someone is not
in power concerning their situation. How does raising the age of consent show that woman have more power
over their lifes as opposed to making the legal statement that they don't, in fact, do not and are incapable of exercising power over their life?
Simple. If women don't have enough power in society de facto, it has to be compensated for de jure.
It's how laws work. Rich people have all the power in the world, but there are laws made to prevent them from abusing that power. I don't think it means that rich folk don't have power, it's a measure to limit their power.
>>115076>Rich people have all the power in the world, but there are laws made to prevent them from abusing that power. I don't think it means that rich folk don't have power, it's a measure to limit their power.
What laws and limits are you referring to? Rich people still abuse their power by and large.
Yeah i agree.
Also sorry i don't want to wait until I'm 25 to fuck and as someone whos gay and very unlikely to be predated upon by a woman, i would lowkey hate it
Well, some hundreds of years ago rich people could own literal slaves, or have private armies, so I'd say laws are going something.
To me, laws are a practical matter. The "moral" or "cultural" perceptions surrounding laws are nothing but status quo prejudice. Saying that laws meant to protect women are infantilizing is like saying that laws meant to protect minorities are infantilizing.
In my opinion, the likes of DiCaprio and keemstar should go to prison just like Weinstein, because fundamentally they're doing the same thing: abusing their power to exploit young women.>>115083
You wouldn't have to wait though, moids will have to wait for you. You can do whatever you want, its just that if you are below 25, you can press charges against a moid you had sex with if you want.
Hey everybody, those greedy people with all the power and money are totally gonna make laws to limit their money and power! Haha! They soooo won’t pass legislation that enables THEM! Haha!
>>115084>Saying that laws meant to protect women are infantilizing is like saying that laws meant to protect minorities are infantilizing.
Sure, but just because you say a law is protecting woman doesn't mean it is not infantalizing them at the same time. Making the statement "Woman lack the ability to give consent until they are 25" implies that men gain the ability to consent earlier, implying that they gain higher cognitive abilities faster. Unless we're using definition of "consent" differently. What exactly do you think "consent" means such that a woman lacks the ability to give it until they are 25? Which, again, is what you are saying, de jure, that woman lack the ability to consent until they are 25.
The rhetoric around consent being equivalent to maturity is nothing but a red herring. It's pure ideology, as Zizek would put it.
Laws are about power, nothing more, nothing less. For example, rapes are hard to prove, and thus under-reported. Making more robust laws to protect women against rape in no way implies that women have the responsibility or obligation to prevent rape, or that they're immature or whatever.
The law proposed would simply give women the leverage to employ the power of the state to punish men for abusing their power. If a woman wasn't abused by a moid, she has no reason to pursue legal action. If she was, she should have the right to punish the moid in question.
I find the whole argument ridiculous, to be honest. Is 40 year old men dating 20 year old women creepy and manipulative? Yes. So why should it be legally allowed? Fundamentally, abuse is about power, not "maturity". It's not a woman's responsibility to be "mature" enough to avoid predatory males, it's the males responsibility not to be predatory. And if they won't be responsibly of their own volition, the law should force them to be.
Cute dino-bun but …
question, why do so many men have the audacity to think a woman that has 0 standards lands a guy with a heart of gold?
manosphere (and even some normie males) rhetoric around victim blaming is like…"well, a man with options is a monster because men are monsters, the only way you can find a good man is if he's forced into it because he has no power to choose anyone besides you (and he's only with you because you have a pussy–this guarantees he will worship you for a million years). Actual integrity and virtue doesn't exist among men, so just get the most passive, weakest guy you can."
the male they martyr as being the pinnacle of male goodness is the Orbiter; a guy that apparently never does anything out of compassion, definitely doesn't volunteer, etc., who is being nice to a woman he wants to fuck because…he wants to fuck her? they act like this guy will automatically worship her forever and treat her like a goddess forever, if she just chooses him.
it's really quite weird–considering I've known many women that actually did date their "orbiter" (not that they described them as such but it was obvious) and…it turned out they had their own set of issues in most cases, or even just secretly bad people. now, when these women reported having a better time, the men weren't insecure, bitter, or jealous, and generally well-adjusted, which…rules out most "nice guys."
>>115091>The rhetoric around consent being equivalent to maturity is nothing but a red herring. It's pure ideology, as Zizek would put it.
Alright then, before I attempt to address anything else, define what consent is and why someone does or does not have the ability to give it at certain points in time. You're the own calling "age of consent" rhetoric, which is pretty fucking close to pedoshit for my fucking taste.
We can argue about the semantics of law all day, but I don't really care about that tbh.
I have a very practical goal of giving women more power to leverage against abusive men, all the rest is secondary.
Social media shaming and twitter canceling won't do.
The question is, do you care more about optics, or do you care more about preventing abuse?
NTA, I enjoy your pinkpills, though the problem with the "no time for optics" thing is that what you're suggesting can probably never be actualized.
it'd take a fundamental restructuring of society and the way (most) its people think for something like "increase the age of consent to 25" to fly that it seems silly to even entertain with any seriousness.
Well, yeah. The system is rigged so that any real real world action is basically illegal, and legal, "due process" change will never, ever happen. It's all rigged.
Maybe we should take a page from the radical left playbook, and think about "direct action". In fact, just copy everything, and replace "bourgeoisie" with "moids".
Especially the parts about firing squads and guillotines, I really like those.
>>115100>We can argue about the semantics of law all day, but I don't really care about that tbh.
I do, it's the only remotely interesting thing about this conversation. If it's just about being a power move with disregard to the underlying reason that's boring as hell.>The question is, do you care more about optics, or do you care more about preventing abuse?
I give a shit about neither in full honesty, glad to see I'm not the only one possessed by ideology here though. I just want logically sound rhetoric. The rhetoric of power you're using is the same one Vaush uses to justify why when power imbalances are reduced, age of consent laws will disappear altogher. Which may or may not be true, but if your logic can be used to justify pedoshit I don't want anything to do with it.
Well, this is the point of contention where our perspectives diverge.
I am not an egalitarian, I do not care about equality. I am a female supremacist.
That is to say, I WANT a power imbalance.
In our favor.
So…you find random opportunities to argue with people about things you don't care about? No wonder why you felt off in the other threads.
>>115112>I am not an egalitarian
I'm not egalitarian either, if you want or believe that female superiority is correct than you shouldn't be changing age of consent laws, just remove all of men's right and keep them on the level of chattel. I can understand the arguments than, as any form of sex not initiated by the woman would automatically be considered rape. Simple as.>>115114>you find random opportunities to argue with people about things you don't care about?
how'd you get into the semantics stuff?
btw, thank you for being honest.
dammit, I really hope you aren't a moid larper.
>>115127>how'd you get into the semantics stuff?
I've never studied semantics, so I don't consider myself "into it". I just argue with people so one day maybe I can find something I care about and will be able to understand and defend it when I need to.
Wasn't Tibet a Buddhist absolute monarchy before China annexed it? To me that just sounds like a cope, like when the pope says some "progressive" shit just to make the Catholic church look good
Don't do that, it's a trap. You'll end up not caring about anything and
becoming a cringey misanthrope.
Just choose something to care about and defend it after deciding your opinion like a normal person.
OP for the IT complaint here. That's not disrespectful, just a religious boundary he has. If he said all of her work was useless or treated her like she doesnt exist that would be another thing. In Islam men can't touch or look at women that arent related to them, but they can still do group projects and stuff.
Not sure if it's really about respect or lack thereof on an individual basis (of course faithfuls will follow along like sheep), more about how the religion itself is about dehumanizing women.
do you have autism or are you just very technical-minded? you don't seem unintelligent, but the other anon was right about it being a bad precedent.
i.e., if you get something to believe in instead of it being organic, you will have taught yourself that your belief is something to prove, defend in a gladiatorial match…if instead of gladiators, it's about crunching down beliefs to their most measurable variables and then fighting with them–which isn't very a very healthy default.
When women hate men they avoid men.
When men hate women they want to rape, beat, abuse and make us suffer. They enjoy making women suffer.
Males are parasitic and incomplete. Even when they hate women they are addicted to women, obsessively jerking off to women while seething and crying impotently. Is this how the "superior" sex behaves? Like a desperate, resentful leech with no host to latch onto?
There are no males are incabale of breaking free from their dependence and addiction to women (even gays/AGPs recreate the use/abuse "masculine/feminine" role dynamic). Just look at the males trying to talk down to these misogynists. They don't ever defend women, they just say "lol bro just b urself and you'll have a bitch to fuck too!!". 0 Empathy, narcissistic parasites.
>>115134>You'll end up not caring about anything
You imply I haven't been in this state far before I started arguing with anyone about anything, I can't end up somewhere I already was, just stay there.>and becoming a cringey misanthrope.
Eh, people are hard to deal with but I don't hate them abstractly for the fact they are human in and of that fact. I don't even really hate people, no, if there's anything my hate is aimed towards on a daily basis, it is myself occasionally, as it is paramount that I improve enough to reach the objective.>Just choose something to care about and defend it after deciding your opinion like a normal person.
But I refuse.>>115138>do you have autism or are you just very technical-minded?
I have allegedly been diagnosed as a three-year old with no paper trail to back this up as far as my Mother's records.>you don't seem unintelligent, but the other anon was right about it being a bad precedent.
If I wasn't unintelligent would I have this problem? It seems to be quite the stupid problem to not know what you like, prefer, favor or agree with. Thus I must toil for that which others find simple. Hopefully being a fool in this respect is useful on some other level.
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Hey, there are actually women who FOR SOME FUCKING REASON are into abuse kinda shit. Have you seen how many girls are into yandere bishies?? What the fuck. And I doubt the cause is trauma in every case.
yandere bishies are usually complex badboys and don't act like actual men. It's still shit when women like them, but it doesn't translate to irl.
Not even spineless tradthots/uber pickmes want to date basement-dwelling, low-iq, porn addicted misogynists.
I used to be into fictional yanderes yet for the life of me couldn't understand liking bad boys IRL because they're absolutely disgusting to me. Like.. "stop talking to them and walk away + block them forever" disgusting. I have felt the most when around talking to cheerful, well-adjusted guys.
I realized that I was so drawn to yanderes because I had never once in my entire life felt genuinely desired or really at all prioritized by anyone.
That and you're right. They act nothing like IRL douches. Their obsession actually seems kinda hot whilst in reality it's super pathetic when someone is that obsessed with someone.
>>115148>yandere bishies are usually complex badboys and don't act like actual men
They act like charismatic real-life psychopaths, though. With the whole "lock you up" thing and all. It's some kind of Stockholm Syndrome fetish.
But that's not something to be discussed in this thread, I think.
idk anon, it's a contradiction because psychopaths are psychopaths, and not able to love in such a vulnerable way.
also, real life men like yanderes are extremely rare and I don't think the women that are apparently into abuse IRL idealize it or look for it…alternatively, they do, but project it onto men that aren't charismatic whatsoever and more garden variety abusive.
It's rare but they can be nice sometimes.
I think I've just been lucky to meet only guys who aren't into redpill/blackpill shit or any other flavor of misogynism. Though that doesn't mean some of them are not porn addicts.
yeah it happens. rarely. I knew one very altruistic guy…we talking the majority of his free time being spent helping others in substantial ways. if you actually knew him for a few months it made sense why he behaved that way. downside? also the type of dude that literally laughed off another guy who borrowed 300$ from him and ghosted him. he easily could have been taken advantage of…but he was so successful and cheerful regardless so, ok.
think guys come across as less nice bc they are just less prosocial, which explains massive amounts of their antisocial behavior (which they then blame on society).
probably genetics, they can only get you pregnant under 30
>>115169>only get you pregnant under 30
scrote brainrot on full display
Yeah; we do have menopause to worry about and a fertility window but getting pregnant in your 30s is more then possible, c'mon
Have kids in your teens isn't really advised and actually pretty deadly ( and teens contrary to popular believe don't even seem to be as fertile or ready to pop kids as one would be led to believe), leaving the optimal age of conception to be anywhere between 22-35 if you are actually taking into account fertility peeks and physical to emotional maturity.
Having your first kid in your 40s is not advised but it's still possible ( though the ones who are able to have kids in this range and survive had at least one kid in their 20s or 30s-)
Men liking teen to very young girls is just coomer pedo shit and doesn't have to do with fertility or womanly health
It’s true moid brains are bigger but bigger brain doesn’t necessarily mean smarter. Whales aren’t smarter than us.
how much is too much when criticizing other women? how do you approach sensitive topics? I keep seeing women bemoaning women putting other women down. sometimes I agree, but…then it turns out they're also referring to criticizing extremely bad decisions women make, or general trends among women that are, uh. Not good?
I've seen stuff like glowing up as much as possible now being intertwined deeply with empowerment, individualism and self care and it's…really disturbing? Not the it existing part but how now looking good is now associated so irrevocably with climbing up in life.
*oh, I mentioned the 2nd part cuz it's a subject that I've seen women basically fighting tooth and bone over. i.e., someone criticizes beauty standards…other women complain that they're "putting women down" and "trying to control and police what women should be." etc.
it isn't extreme femininity I'm demonizing. it's the idea that women already have huge issues with self-esteem and self-consciousness and that normalization the extreme pursuit of beauty as a good is not good for women in general.
We should be able to criticize women as much as men, especially when they make bad decisions that undermine the things we have fought for.
All of that "empowering" stuff is just keeping the status quo while shutting down criticism, so that women keep consooming.
>>115230>We should be able to criticize women as much as men, especially when they make bad decisions that undermine the things we have fought for.
This exactly. If women can't criticise women that means only men will be able to criticise women which isn't a great situation.
Some women just don't want to face up to the consequences of their own poor decision making and try to use feminism as a defense.
It's all part of toxic positivity where saying anything remotely negative in any context is seen as bad. The world is not a 100% great positive place. Sometimes you need to be harsh, or at the very least, honest.
That was probably never true, as much as IQ is a meme, if it were to be valid, it needs to be in a professional controlled environment. There's no fucking way they required accurate data on this.