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How is surrogacy not considered human trafficking? Anonymous 311136
Was causally watching a video about the craziest stuff people tried selling online, and one of the things was an actual baby for $3k. That got me thinking… How the fuck is surrogacy not seen as human trafficking? Why is it only seen as human trafficking once the mom gives birth to the child? How is not a form of human trafficking for a woman's body be RENTED OUT in order to make a baby with the intentions of the baby to be stripped from its mother as soon as birth?
Don't bring up adoption as an example either because 1. adoptions are already linked to human trafficking + its a very shitty flawed system, BUT its a system literally meant for kids who cannot be with their parents due to their parents being unfit or dead. The kids in question had no choice for the most part. And even then, CPS is notorious for being shitty because their main objective is to keep families together, even if the family is abusive. With all that being said, adoption is also a mostly goverment-funded endeavor.
So why is surrogacy allowed? Why do people look at it with anything other than disgust? Why shouldn't parents be allowed to sell off their children to someone if its allowed regardless as long as its planned between the mother and a stranger?
Anonymous 311137
People only see embryos as human when it's convenient.
Anonymous 311147
I have the same question for illegal immigration. All I hear from the opposing arguments for immigration enforcement and deportation is support for human trafficking. In fact, they need to go even further and prosecute the employers of illegals for human trafficking. Honestly even certain legal immigration like student and h1b1 visa just sound like human trafficking and labor abuse to me.
Anonymous 311154
>>311136Because it's basically pre-order adoption.
Anonymous 311157
So do you think infertile women who want to have kids don't deserve them?
Anonymous 311158
>>311154Don't they put a donor sperm and egg from a different woman? So that wouldn't really be adopting another couple's child. It's seems like it's more along the lines of using a surrogate woman's body as a vessel to grow the sperm and egg. And it's just a primitive technology, like how people used to wash their clothes in the river.
Anonymous 311159
>>311157The good Lord has forseen they will not be good mothers and so taken their ability to reproduce away from them. To allow them to convince anyway is an abomination.
Anonymous 311160
>>311154Like I said in the post, adoption is meant for kids whos parents are unavailable, of which there are millions of them. These people pay women who otherwise would've never had kids into having kids just for someone elses pleasure.
>>31115Adoption exists. Can't adopt for some reason? Too bad, can't get everything you want in life. Not being able to adopt is rare, being infertile and not being able to adopt is especially rare. If you don't want a child that has potential problems then you don't want a child in general. Thats really the only reason people do surrogacy, they don't want potential "problem children".
Just say you want to benefit from human trafficking. Your reason for wanting to benefit from it doesnt matter, its still human trafficking.
Anonymous 311161
>>311160Fine. I'm a moid who wants a 14 year old slave girl. That doesn't mean that I don't support women who wish to experience childbirth via being a host for a surrogate.
Anonymous 311169
>>311157Having biological kids isn't a right nor a need, they could just adopt. If you're not capable of loving kids that don't share your blood then you're not ready to be a parent in the first place. Kids are kids and they all deserve love, if you only want them to have a mini-me or "muh legacy" then you're just a selfish pos
Anonymous 311170
>>311161Ngl your writing style is so apparent that I'm starting to recognize you, you're also the same "nona" who was having a meltdown in the anti-porn thread calling everyone else a religious prude or whatever. Why are you so anti-woman? Are you just a moid or a self hating woman who thinks it's cool to perpetuate institutions that commodify our bodies?
Anonymous 311171
>>311169>something to which one has a just claim such as the power or privilege to which one is justly entitledYes, if one is able to have children then they have the right to do so, and they are well within that right.
Anonymous 311172
>>311171But that's the point, infertile people are
unable to have kids, so they have no right to ask someone else to destroy their bodies and create an entire child on their behalf. It sucks but it is what it is, if they can't they can't, end of story. Again, if blood is what matters the most to you then you never really wanted a child in the first place, otherwise any child would be deserving of your love.
Anonymous 311174
>>311172Exactly. Buying a child is not a right. That is human trafficking. You could argue that the other party is "consenting" to it yet can you really? Surrogacy pays big big money, what if they just really need the money and are desperate? Pregnancy can kill a person, it can cause long term health issues such as postpartum psychosis. No one an truly consent to that sorta thing when the only thing dictating their consent is a financial transaction.
It's why people aren't allowed to sell their own organs. Its their organs, its their body, yet people are desperate and will make dangerous life altering choices for money.
Anonymous 311175
>>311172I don't disagree with you at all and to be honest I've never really considered the issue in depth.
Anonymous 311176
>>311159I think most people who are capable of having and have had kids are actually way worse to them then the infertile women would be but whatever you say
Anonymous 311198
>>311174TSMT
most surrogacy mothers only go along as a last resort or are basically being forced into doing it.
I heard about so many job scams that take financially vulnerable women and make them think they're being offered a normal job. Just then for the so called "job" to end up being some sort of human trafficking scheme where they impregnate women to then sell their babies off(iirc it was posted here on /b/ a while ago) and surely there's more that haven't been caught…
I genuinely do feel bad for infertile women that wish for a child but at the same time you really don't need to be bound by blood with someone to truly love them as your own kid. Some really are just brainwashed by their husbands into believing such irrationality while some are dumb enough to be certain that there will be no connection.
Oh and like
>>311169 said
>butbutbut muh legacy,,wat abuut muh mini me,, they can shove it up their ass. Actual retards with no empathy.
This industry should not be normalised at all. So called businesses that help others find surrogates are dirty capitalisers with no morals whatsoever. Yet somehow people fall for it (like always)
Anonymous 311199
>>311198>you really don't need to be bound by blood with someone to truly love them as your own kidtbh I'm not sure I could love a child if he or she didn't have my blood. I don't think I could ever adopt a kid, either.
Anonymous 311224
>>311199Then don't have one. How exactly will someone that only shares your DNA make you love them better? Don't even try to argument with this horrible take
>but we wulndt b alike thenbecause young kids adapt to their environments and take after those they're surrounded by. The only differences adoption would make is that the kid will likely not look like you. (even then they can still take traits from you, like your smile/way of presenting themselves etc…); btw can also happen to normal mothers (kid might take after great-grandparents)
Overall it´s just a selfish way of thinking>>311199
Anonymous 311225
>>311224>The only differences adoption would make is that the kid will likely not look like you.Personality is genetic too
Anonymous 311226
>>311225Not true. Ones personality can not be inherited it can only be taken after. Which an adopted kid could do too. Having your own child wont mean it'll have the same personality that you have.
Anonymous 311230
>>311227>AI overviewsays all I need to know…
Anonymous 311233
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>>311232You already proved yourself wrong by using an AI overview as proof
Anonymous 311237
>>311225genetic personality is a nothingburger
the foster kid likely having RAD and shit like FAS on the other hand has a pretty fun effect on personality hovewer
Anonymous 311239
>>311232I cba with you since its pointless. You will probably pull some other AI slop as a counter argument. Some people really believe whatever a pile of codes with no thoughts behind it says is 100% right
Anonymous 311251
>>311250>can be as low as 30%>guaranteed to change anyway once you become your own adultlolmao, you're only really "similar" during an age when you want to appease your parents no matter what, and even then it's not really organic but rather socially influenced, the child is merely mimicking. once that pretending is not needed anymore and the child gets exposed to the world and new ideas it's bye-bye, they'll become their own person with their own personality, so there goes your "but m-muh mini-me who was supposed to achieve my dreams!" get a better excuse to force someone into existence and someone else into pregnancy, i beg
Anonymous 311252
>>311251You need to actually read the studies to shit on them first. It's based on analyzing twins (who have similar dispositions whether raised apart or together), analyzing adopted kids (that don't share their adoptive parents traits). Look up Texas Adoption Project.
Studies also show that heritability of childhood personality is actually lower, not higher, i.e. the adult shift is towards genetic predisposition. This is exactly where the figure 30% comes from, too.
Your genetics are actually also affected by the environment (nurture) by the way, trauma, epigenetics, etc.
Not that any of this matters that extremely, your Big Five results don't define your entire personality, just how conscientious and neurotic you are. Nor are humans anything like dogs where the personality is bred to have extreme differences between peoples.
Anonymous 311253
Personality (nature, really) is partly intrinsic but no necessarily directly inherited. Plus, since you'll get the chance to observe your parents, perspective lets you cringe and go "ugh, I hope I never act like that", etc
Anonymous 311290
Americans say freedom means free food stamps.
