9a36abd69c234b3f59…
Anonymous 316451
>>316448damn i literally just got here, i always prefer the bunkers to actual LC…
Anonymous 316452
Webarchive is down too
Anonymous 316453
just want to share this beautiful song with you all. happy new year eve
Anonymous 316454
hardstyle.mp4
i just took the biggest fucking shit
Anonymous 316456
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thread filled up AND lc came back online as I was drawing anon's cat…
Anonymous 316459
I miss husbandosperging so much
Anonymous 316460
Happy new year Eurononymouses, I hope some of you stay and bring some life to some of the music threads here
Anonymous 316461
>>316460my favorite song on this album is mint car
Anonymous 316462
>>316461I love mint car, but my favorite on the album is Trap
Anonymous 316463
>>316462(but when I was 14 it was Jupiter Crash, lol)
Gone! is good too if you're in a Mint Car mood
Anonymous 316790
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is it just me or is lolcor down yet again?
Anonymous 316792
My sacred morning routine of lc browsing is RUINED.
Anonymous 316793
here we go again, my my, how could i resist you
Anonymous 316795
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Ugh, unbelievable. Is what I would say if….
Anyways any s play RPG maker games?
Anonymous 316796
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Maybe this is a great thing in disguise and I can finish up picrel today instead
Anonymous 316798
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Here’s hoping the downtime doesn’t last too long.
Anonymous 316799
The site went down just as voting started. Somethings fishy here.
Anonymous 316800
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haha just as I was going to sleep, it's almost 3am
Anonymous 316801
>>316799I can't vote anyway since I always use incognito for lolcor, idk why I do that, but I associate boards with something shameful, even if lolcor is tame
So maybe my frustration manifested in lolcor down, sorry nonas it's my fault
Anonymous 316803
Screenshot from 20…
The ongoing reports for incidents 116 and 117 give no information except that posting and commenting is down.
Anonymous 316806
>>316796holy shit nonita i’m so jealous of your drawing skills
Anonymous 316809
>>316807fuck i’m so retarded. i thought you were referring to finishing a drawing
Anonymous 316811
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i have no /g/ and i must hornypost about aliens
Anonymous 316812
>>316809It's okay nona, maybe I will finish a drawing too. But I'm nothing nowhere near the level of Kaori Yuki kek.
Anonymous 316813
Speaking of drawing, I really wish more people posted on the personal creations thread. I bet there's an untapped well of beginner artists who are too insecure to post there. Here is a sign to anyone reading this: it doesn't matter if your art is mid or even straight up sucks, so does mine.
Post your work!!!!!
Anonymous 316814
>>316813I also wish that but listen, lolcow is a very unwelcoming website to nervous artists or even artists with skill. Very infighty and Its potentially a very retarded decision to post your art there, all it takes is one with a grudge to fuck you over.
Anonymous 316815
>>316813All I remember is one time an anon made a drawing for another anon in the art request thread and the requesting anon didn't even say thanks instead she posted the drawing in the bad art thread making fun of it. Literally made me cry because I felt so bad for that anon and it still makes me sad. Most artist only care about attention on social media and money. I wish we could encourage people who draw simply because they enjoy it but if this is what happens I would rather not.
Anonymous 316816
>>316813Wish I could post there too but then it means I can't show the work to anyone irl/anywhere else.
Anonymous 316817
>>316815I think the new crop of Artist Salt anons (meaning post 2022) are geniunely evil. I hope that nona is still around that's horrible.
Anonymous 316818
>>316817the artist salt might be the worst thread on lolcow, full of nodraw seethers. that and the brunjo ari thread
Anonymous 316819
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>>316818It used to be so fun… makes me sad to see where it's gone.
>that and the brunjo ari threadI regret making that original thread more and more everyday, I thought we'd have revival not retarded children. Horrible, horrible.
Anonymous 316820
>>316815Absolutely rich coming from someone who was so shit at art she had to resort to begging someone else for it to begin with. This looks worse on her than the artist who did her a pity favour.
Anonymous 316823
>>316818I find it very amusing that people in that thread constantly flip out at both real and imagined /ic/tards while the environment in artist salt itself is far less welcoming to artists
that said, I've seen some people explicitly state they don't want to take (insert interesting content here) to artist salt because "the thread sucks" and…well, it would probably suck less if you posted that there!
Anonymous 316824
>>316813Posting your creations on a trannyphobic website is a terrible idea
Anonymous 316825
>>316814I understand that but it's important to be able to take shittalking in good cheer. You can care about improving your skills and make an effort to do that, without staking your personal worth/identity/emotional state to it, you know what I mean?
For me, my lines are very shaky, my shading is haphazard guesswork, there's no sense of 3d form, or gravity, or fluidity. My attitude to that is "well, I already know that's the case, so being insulted won't really mean anything I don't know"
The stuff about being found and exposed is also fair but in the case of the small-fish beginners who nobody has heard of, also a little overblown? It reminds me of those art salt anons who are highly neurotic about all the things they think will get them attacked by an online mob, when no online mob likely cares enough to do that and the worst-scenario effects aren't going to be anything more tangible than embarrassment.
Anonymous 316827
>>316826What? Because I don't think anons should potentially ruin their art careers?
Anonymous 316828
>>316827Nta but I would guess anon missed the sarcasm in the word "trannyphobic"
Anonymous 316829
>>316825>reminds me of those art salt anons who are highly neurotic about all the things they think will get them attacked by an online mobI think all of these posts are made by the same nona actually.
Recently someone asked if anyone has any experience making webcomics, and one nona posted one of her pages as an example. The whole thread immediately derailed into tearing her art/comic layout to shreds for honestly no good reason. Nitpicks the likes of which would put the brujoari teens to shame.
OTOH, I've posted my ""art"" in there before (couldn't find a particular reaction image I had in mind, so I sketched one up quickly) I didn't say it was mine, and no one said anything kek Anonymous 316830
>>316829I don't know, I still think webcomic anon was a bit retarded despite being one of my favourite /m/ artfags. Throwing a carcass to a pit of crocodiles.
Anonymous 316832
>>316829I genuinely believe that if you're going to be taking part in the cow threads, then you have to have some level of a sadistic streak. For some people it's just a light teasing, they like to laugh at weird people and it ends there. Others though take it way too far and are completely rancid. The story earlier about the girl who did a request and had her art reposted in the salt thread really pissed me off.
Anonymous 316833
What was happening in one thread was really making me sad
Anonymous 316834
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>>316831Shyvaa/Sunderguilt! I'm pretty sure it's Haibane fanart.
Anonymous 316835
>>316829>I think all of these posts are made by the same nona actually.Meh, this is usually not true in general. It's almost never a single anon.
But also, is it even really such a big deal if people are mean about art? It's not an attack on the artist's very humanity.
Anonymous 316837
>>316832im one of the sadistic nonas who participates in cow threads, and for every post by a retarded nitpicker or disproportionately hostile nona, you can trust theres at least one lurker nona who recognizes the post for how unhinged it is. they just dont reply. its the internet and some women become aggro high-T behavior beings here too
Anonymous 316839
>>316824there was a somewhat popular tumblr/twitter artist who posted her art on lc it was never an issue iirc
Anonymous 316841
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>>316835NTA, but they're not being respectful of other anons. Some bickering and minor bitchiness amongst ourselves is fine, but being rude to anons who aren't really doing anything milky and could be ignored and forgotten about is a bit much and muddies the waters. Making fun of awful redlines and art fixes of a cow's work is another thing because anons are overly confident and sometimes completely wrong and make it look worse so their criticism is just a bit silly.
As an aside it kinda makes me sad how unactive the pyw threads are getting, and I can't help but think it's directly because of the increasing amount of anons taking random potshots at /m/ artfags.
Anonymous 316842
>>316837I'm aware nona, I was speaking for myself as well. I don't really care if we have fun tearing apart people who deserve it, but some of them will jump at the throat of other random girls on the board for the dumbest reasons and it irritates me. Maybe I just have low patience for retarded infighting, but there are better ways to funnel that energy.
Anonymous 316843
>>316838I hope that thread is being raided otherwise I don't know what the heck is going on with American women
Anonymous 316845
>>316813I'm so scared to post my art ANYWHERE after I got bullied on deviantart a few yrs ago
Anonymous 316846
>>316835>is it even really such a big deal if people are mean about art?No, just annoying and pointless when it completely derails the topic. The original asker nona never got proper comic advice, because everyone just had to have their turn at "Ermm this sucks/This page could be compressed to a single panel/The anatomy sucks/The colors suck/whatever" and people repeatedly remind everyone how you should NEVER post your art unless specifically to be made fun of.
It's weird and counterproductive for an art-themed thread, even if, yes, it was originally mainly created to laugh at art youtubers and other artcows for both artists and nodraws alike.
Anonymous 316847
>>316838I think I had a dream about you saying this. What's going on in there, I'm not a burger so I don't check in.
Anonymous 316848
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>>316845>got bullied on deviantart>a few yrs agoWhat. What year is it?
How is that website even alive after that whole AI nonsense?
Anonymous 316849
>>316848Must have been in 2020 because that was the last year it wasn't on life support. Fuck I can't believe that was six years ago fucking hell.
Anonymous 316851
>>316841>how unactive the pyw threads are gettingBesides the stuff mentioned, I think a part of it might be that a lot of anons posted in there once or twice and then think "well, I probably shouldn't post any more than that". Which I get, because when people don't think like that you end up with the small number of anons who make up two thirds of the thread. But also, if everyone else was willing to post as often as them, then they would make up a much smaller fraction. It's a bit of a cycle.
Anonymous 316852
>>316842agree. it is extremely piteous to focus on tearing down other nonas when there are men just down the street waiting to be torn apart. what a waste of vitriol
Anonymous 316854
Confession time. Sometimes when I find a chronically online blog on Tumblr with a mile long DNI, I like to send a holier than thou anon preaching about some nonsensical issue or another. Then when the blogger almost always agrees, I'll send another anon arguing with my first. Then sometimes a third. After that I sit back and watch as a bunch of other anons stream in and it causes a real fight on their blog.
The last time I did this was when I saw an okegom kinnie blog with "DNI if you use the word yaoi" on their pinned, and my ask was asking why theyre against yaoi but was fine with the sexualization of lesbians in yuri. They added yuri to the DNI. My second anon was helpfully informing them that most yuri was actually made by women and wasn't sexualized at all so they removed yuri. They got enough anons after that that they ended up shutting their askbox off. I can't remember what their DNI ended up being.
Anonymous 316856
Ugh I wanted to discuss some tinfoil
Anonymous 316857
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>>316813my lolcor bunker confession is that I'd love to post my own art, but I only draw furries. I wish I could find one (1) woman artfag furry that isn't gender poisoned and become friends with her, the only people I've come across that fit that description are russian, but I've gotta believe there's an english speaking one out there and that we'll telepathically find one another become best friends and constantly lament about 90% of online furries being degen gay men, I have to believe in this future
Anonymous 316859
I just had a dream where my cousin (my real-life one) was also somehow Timothee Chalamet at the same time, and we had a conversation with some weird romantic undertones, though I can't remember it very well. I think it goes without saying that I'm not attracted to my cousin, or Timothee Chalamet for that matter, now I'm a little uncomfortable…
Anonymous 316860
>>316857Post it here! Far fewer people will see it.
Anonymous 316862
>>316857I draw kemono… the one drawback is that I'm aligned with Russian time zones even though I am not and I don't have socmed, not even discord.
Anonymous 316864
>>316861Considering they host on cloudflare and that isn't down, they need to fix their backend
Anonymous 316865
>>316847This woman was murdered by an ICE officer, and the thread got brigaded with some saying she deserved it and it was self defense, even though video footage showed time and time again that she posed no threat to him and that he was unharmed. They were saying things like you should assume you'll be shot by an officer. Most people in the thread didn't think that way, but it was still abhorrent
>>316843Has to be a raid, but there are some who do think that way and it's fucked up
Anonymous 316866
>>316860True, what animal should I draw? I don't think I have any art rn that isn't already posted online, so I'll have to make something new
>>316862work on your telepathy and maybe we'll meet one day…
Anonymous 316867
>>316864Do they? I thought cloudflare was something that stopped ddos
Anonymous 316868
>>316813No thanks, we have enough shitty ugly art in the world. Majority of anons on LC can't draw for shit, no wonder they have entire threads hating on popular artists online who made it.
Anonymous 316869
>>316855Ayrt 90% of my posts is milk I dug up on my cows of choice. I'm just as bad as the next girl but if you're not able to admit that the entire practice is to scratch a sadistic itch then you're either delusional or in denial. Telling other girls not to shit up the board by nitpicking eachother is hardly a controversial stance. But if you'd rather chase off a nice nona who drew a picture for someone else instead of the hundreds of pedo troons with dedicated theads then by all means dont let me stop you.
Anonymous 316872
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>>316866How about the noble and marvellous jewel anemone? They come in all number of colours, too!
Anonymous 316873
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>>316866On it!
>>316865Oh, that's awful. That must have been really upseting. I hope it was a raid because the alternative is terrible.
>>316868Are you that anon that goes on about the "artslop era" or have you undergone mitosis? Anyways, 2-5 extra nonas posting art isn't tipping the scales.
Anonymous 316874
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>>316866What about the humble dormouse? (idk I'm not a furry)
Anonymous 316875
>>316873Lmfao what does that even mean? No, but she sounds based and correct. Modern artists and especially digital/internet artists are fucking annoying.
Anonymous 316876
Damn my uber driver is going so fast
Anonymous 316877
>>316875Idfk I didn't make up that term, ask her when you see her. Maybe exchange emails
>Modern artists and especially digital/internet artists are fucking annoying*Contempory. Always have been though. You don't want to read those intentionally annoying pomo artist statements and essays from the 60s.
Anonymous 316878
>>316870I was about to say 4.5k Yen doesn't sound too bad, what's the problem? Then I saw it's dollars lol
Anonymous 316879
>>316878I didn't even notice until you pointed it out and then went back and gasped
Anonymous 316880
>>316814This is the reason why I've considered making an exclusive artstyle for lolcor. I'm not a famous artist, but you never know.
>>316818>>316819I blame this on zoomer culture, nowadays people will make fun of you in a very mean-spirited way if you aren't a master of your hobby from the get-go. It's the reason why all zoomers do is doomscrolling or chase hustle culture instead of pursuing creative endeavors
Anonymous 316881
>>316875>what does that even mean? >she sounds based and correctThe state of the average lolcor art salt user.
There's always been lots of mediocre shitty art no matter which era humans exist in. Many people here just haven't grown up with deviantart, i guess.
It's not a good reason to not post in the appropriate /m/ thread. Even shitty art can be fun, entertaining and meaningful.
Anonymous 316882
>>316880>considered making an exclusive artstyle for lolcorYou could try this, but someone who is motivated to do so will be able to see the style underneath the style, a la "laika". It just seems like unnecessary effort. I think if one day people even care about you enough to attempt cancelling you, you've already kind of made it.
Anonymous 316883
>>316877>>316881I do think each era had shitty artists, like the abstract art niggas who are so pretentious and can't draw for shit and trying to convince people that their art is 3deep5u and it unfortunately worked. But the internet exacerbated this neurosis to the worse in addition to the chase of easy money and fame. I don't use art salt because it's pointless and boring, and thw ari thread also got boring with all the "my fix it art! My redesign! I'm better than Ari now make me fomus" and it's the most gen alpha 10 yo drawing with their finger in ibis paint shit ever.
Anonymous 316884
>>316883I don't think the ari redesign anons are seriously claiming to be better than her in technical skill. The fixes seem to be more about LC-ifying the narrative than anything else. Maybe you could argue that's cringe, but it's a different question.
Anonymous 316885
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>>316453Excellent taste. Toni was my second gay awakening
Anonymous 316887
>>316883>I do think each era had shitty artistsExactly, so there's no point in whining about s with a bad artstyle when retards on /ic/ are thriving. At leat that's my gay perspective, since I get happy when autists follow their passion no matter how cringe or shitty they are, especially with the rise of AI. It's probably the reason why the autism thread on /m/ is my favorite kek
On a side note, I find s who ask about getting cancelled funny, because I just know for a fact they aren't drawing shit kek
Anonymous 316888
>>316886
Why did you ignore the part about the internet making it worse though? Like people feel entitled to fame and money just because they drew a line on a canvas. The entery line also "seems" lower and easier than ever because of the internet and technology where anyone can draw anything any way and post it online and wait for the algorithm to do the magic. I don't mind the democratization of art but it resulted in inflated egos and delusions of grandeur. AI won't stop some delusional nigga from drawing some slop to be famous if they wanted to, either, lol.
Anonymous 316891
>>316883>like the abstract art niggas who are so pretentious and can't draw for shit and trying to convince people that their art is 3deep5u Abstract art and it's philosophy were foundational for other art movements such as Surrealism and Expressionism- which love or hate Expressionism it's hard to dispute that Francis Bacon and Lucian Freud were fairly talented, even they were pricks. It's the (male) Postmodernists and Anti-Artists being fucking pretentious and annoying and making the art world worse and have been for the last century. All artists are annoying but not in that way, and contemporary normal artists have nothing on them. They're just internet rotten which is a different issue applicable to a pretty large swathe of people, artist or no.
Anonymous 316893
fuck the tranny mod who deletes post history
Anonymous 316894
>>316888I wasn't ignoring it, I was talking about shitty art in the context of lolcor, which could ruin your chances of getting an art career if anything, so people are not posting for money kek
In the bigger context of the internet I agree, entitlement and delusions of grandeur are the reasons why retards like Audra Winter exists.
Anonymous 316895
>>316818I need to stop checking that thread this year. Getting tired of seeing stuff like
>Am I going to hell if I draw shirtless men?Or something similar to it lol
Anonymous 316896
>>316895You will go to hell if you don't
Anonymous 316898
damn i wanted to 3dpd husbando post rreee
Anonymous 316901
>>316813my art fucking sucks but i hope one day i'll be able to show to s my collection of practice sketches using venus palermo as reference
Anonymous 316902
>>316895Next Artist Salt needs an obnoxiously long FAQ of every question asked more than twice the exact same way that doesn't generate any responses besides "yes do that" "no don't do that", or "no one fucking cares" over the last two years and we should encourage s not to respond to s who cant ctrl+f
Anonymous 316903
>>316900
Make that day today, nona… I'll help defend you against the salty bitches upthread…
Anonymous 316904
>wake up
>go to lolcow to check out the latest slapfight in the unpopular opinions thread.
>lolcow down. again.
morning ruined.
Anonymous 316905
>>316894Tbh even people posting their shart on LC are just attention seeking and fishing for compliments, since they're gonna get some sort of interaction on LC when posting their shit. And they also whine about not getting replies which is a tell.
Anonymous 316906
Reasons like this is why I never go on artist salt, people are just too toxic there.
Anonymous 316907
__waai_fu_arknight…
>>316857I love drawing this like picrel along with cute animals that's similar to Sonic and Animal Crossing. I would love to see your work one day!
Anonymous 316909
>>316813you couldn't pay me to upload my artwork on LC and my art is actually quite good; a lot of nonas are bitches and my style would be recognized because i had a decently large following before i DFE'd years ago. i'm never in the mood to be criticized by your average farmer, they always have something to bitch about. to the kind nonas: ily
>>316871seconding this
Anonymous 316910
>lolcow is down, gotta find someplace else to cure my boredom
>open twitter
>east asians and white people are fighting over who is the prettier race
>close twitter again
Anonymous 316911
>>316910Ha, I'd like to see this. Do you have the posts?
Anonymous 316913
What secret ib will we spread rumors about this time? I hope it's forest themed.
Anonymous 316915
>>316910ahhhh twitter my favorite nuclear waste disposal site
Anonymous 316916
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I'm sick and I couldn't sleep because my throat keeps filling with mucus and choking me out…
good morning nonas
Anonymous 316917
>>316913marzichan is probably evil in some way
Anonymous 316918
>>316857any way to contact you nonita? asking for a friend…..
Anonymous 316919
>>316864You sure know a lot of things, lol
Anonymous 316920
>>316917TIL of marzichan. What is the deal with it?
Anonymous 316922
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>>316911retarded back and forth shit flinging of who gets the most plastic surgery and who gets plastic surgery to look like the other race. i think it started from a callout post about a korean artist drawing a cookie run kingdom character pale kek
Anonymous 316923
>>316921you're exactly the bitch i'm talking about, you haven't even seen my art and you're ready to criticize it. go back to refreshing art salt thread when lc is back up and cry there
Anonymous 316924
>>316921>outing yourself this quicklycome on, at least type up some more convincing bait
Anonymous 316925
>>316917Marzichan admin stole my cat and burned my crops. I hope that place dies
Anonymous 316926
>>316910between the giant heads ayylmaos and snow monkeys i think nilotics are the true beauty of this world. they look like upgraded humans
Anonymous 316927
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Im going on a day soon with a cute girl! Advice?
Anonymous 316928
Who's in the bunker? Who's in the bunker?
Women and children first, and the children first, and the children
I'll laugh until my head comes off
I'll swallow until I burst, until I burst, until I
Who's in the bunker? Who's in the bunker?
I have seen too much, you haven't seen enough, you haven't seen it
I'll laugh until my head comes off
Women and children first, and children first, and children
Here I'm alive
Everything all of the time
Here I'm alive
Everything all of the time
Anonymous 316929
>>316928this is really happening, happening
Anonymous 316930
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I just messed up my self tan so badly and now I look like a Jersey shore guidette, I have to be with friends tonight, FUCK!!!
Anonymous 316931
>>316795Not lately I miss it though. The last one I played was END ROLL. I love the hospital music.
Anonymous 316932
I used to hate futa but I have to admit Mr. A's Farm made me change my mind. The weird flesh tentacles were kind of hard to coom to though tbh
Anonymous 316933
>>316795yes!!! ive cosplayed ib before. it was so fun
Anonymous 316934
>>316443>>316795RPGfag here. Just finished Ib yesterday. I'm gonna finish .flow today. And I'm already craving yet another RPG game. (Sorry if I mess up the response. Literally first time poster only cuz I saw the Sabitsuki pic)
Anonymous 316935
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>>316929ICE AGE COMING
ICE AGE COMING
Let me hear both sides, let me hear both sides, let me hear both
Ice Age coming, Ice Age coming
Throw him in the fire, throw him in the fire, throw him on the
We're not scaremongering
This is really happening, happening
We're not scaremongering
This is really happening, happening
Anonymous 316936
stock-photo-young-…
just had to go down when i'm on break and want to read some hot goss…
Anonymous 316937
>>316935Take the money and run TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN TAKE THE MONEY
Anonymous 316942
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>>316927Floss, brush and mouthwash. Beware of moving too fast.
Anonymous 316943
Anyways, see you all in personal creations.
Anonymous 316944
>>316813I find it so fucking pathetic how absolutely bitch made too many of you are about posting your goddamn work in /m/, while smugly sassing about about how good you are in artsalt. Not only is it straight up loser behavior, but i can smell your permabeg insecurities from a mile away. News flash, it doesn't you matter how good you are as an artist you will alway be a worst than the permabeg who's actually showing her drawings.
>but muh transphobia cancelation Biggest cope on earth kek there were people with as many as 300k+ followers on Twitter that post on racist ass, transphobic ass 4chan and nobody ever gave a damn to bother raising a stink about it because surprise nobody actually gives a shit. lc is just using paranoia and anonymity culture as a shield to never put its money where its mouth is. And you all wonder why women can't have any communities.
>t. Posts art to lc and /ic/ Anonymous 316945
>>316942floss mouthwash and brush, u want the toothpaste to stay on ur teeth and not wash it out after brushing and instead just spit it out
Anonymous 316947
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>>316945I go rinse with water, floss, mouthwash, brush but yeah true. Just make your teeth squeaky clean because I remember seeing a piece of food on one of her teeth and we hadn't eaten anything yet. That was probably a sign I didn't like her that much because if I did, I wouldn't have cared. On second thought, don't take the chunks of food out of your mouth. Test to see how much she loves you.
Anonymous 316948
>>316902noted kek
>>316905>people only post their art to get responsesWell yes? Just like any other kind of post. People say things to get responses and be engaged with. The mute monks that live in caves and exclusively spiritually project their thoughts against waterfalls are not on lolcor
>>316944new copypasta
Anonymous 316949
I just want lc to be a fun and good place to post art because I want to do art with my gyns. Is that so wrong.
