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Any femcels here Anonymous 14730

>Whats stopping you from not being a femcel

For me its not like there aren't any guys that are into me it's just that its hard for me to connect socially with people.

Anonymous 14733

>too shy to talk to guys
>look too shy to be approached by guys

Anonymous 14741

Lots of girls here are femcels but don't like the word

Anonymous 14742

Weird personality and dress sense. I don't look or act like a normie and most people are so it distresses them.
Not putting the blame on them, it's my fault for not putting in the effort to fit in well.

Anonymous 14744

An incel isn't simply someone who doesn't have sex. That's why you can't draw a direct comparison between sexless men and sexless women, and why the term incel - or femcel, in your usage - doesn't apply to people here.

Or to try that differently - I've yet to see someone here to behave like a bona fide incel and not get summarily removed for maleposting, so I'd like to see a further explanation from you.

Anonymous 14745

Why would you want to be be in a community that's just going to feed you a negative feedback loop of being being butthurt at not having a boyfriend?

Anonymous 14747

NTA, but if you haven't seen some very bitter lonely women here making very bitter posts and generalizing sexist posts about men, then you haven't been keeping your eyes open or you have a very serious confirmation bias.

Anonymous 14748

What's ironic is that the word incel was coined by a woman

Anonymous 14768

i'm ugly and have high standards
rather have no bf for life than settle for an ugly fat neckbeard

Anonymous 14777

100% of men only go for the top 20% of women. Failing that they "settle" for the top 40%.

The remaining 60% of us will never even be glanced at by the ugliest and lowest of status males. They would rather spend their life lusting after beautiful women than spend even a second near us. Our mere existence is a crime to them, to have the audacity to even approach them makes us deserve the utmost scorn of society. There simply is no option for us to stop being femcels minus hiring a prostitute, but I wanted to feel LOVED, not pay for an hour of some used up dick where I can't even kiss him because he has herpes.

Men don't even genuinely enjoy anything, every interest they hold and every passion of theirs is at best entry level. They only get into hobbies in order to get pussy and attention, just look at all the body building and self improvement channels on youtube. Just look at all the male twitch streamers and tell me they aren't streaming for attention.

>just do squats and go on a diet, just lower your standards, just wear makeup

I've done all of this. But the fact is my breasts are simply too small and my face doesn't have the symmetry required for any male to find me worth breeding with. All this does is get you made fun of by both men and the above mentioned top 40% of women:

>lol look at that ugly low-E bitch trying to compensate

>hah, she probably hit the gym because she feels inadequate about something

Suffering as a male? Please. Misandry this, misandry that, but the moment you might bring up the possibility misogyny exists in society you're seen as some loudmouthed, overweight, dyed haired dyke no matter how obvious and clear the misogyny is. Life is handed to them on a platter and their parents coddle them and shelter them from any harsh realities. They don't care about facts or the truth, men are the SJWs of gender.

Life is suffering and if it wasn't for the scarce media I still enjoy, I'd have killed myself a long time ago.

Anonymous 14778

Is this satire? Assuming it isn't..

> but I wanted to feel LOVED

Maybe you should get like a cat or a dog or a gf if you hate men so much? Or like a trans boy?

You can't generalize 50% of the population like you do, it's arguably as bad and inaccurate as what incels do.

Anonymous 14780

>Maybe you should get like a cat

I do, I'm becoming a stereotype more and more every year that passes. I'm in my late 20s already. She is my only source of affection and I feel warmth from her greeting me each morning.

>a gf if you hate men so much?

I've wished my sexuality can change but it cannot. I could be prison gay or something but I don't even have any social contacts outside of work.

>Or like a trans boy?

They would even resort to dating each other before settling for someone as low as me.

>it's arguably as bad and inaccurate as what incels do.

Incels aren't actually real. All they would have to do is have sex with someone like me and in an instant they would cease being one. Society and mass media have conditioned them since a young age that they deserve someone of higher genetic quality than me and so they'd rather be virgins in waiting than have to do something as disgusting as love someone beneath them.

Anonymous 14783

is this pasta?

Anonymous 14786

>incels aren't real
I'm not a femcel myself but I kind of agree with this. Went most incels talk about women they only actually mean " average looking women or above", ugly girls don't even rate as human to them so they don't notice them. Men really think they deserve """Stacy""" no matter what they're like.

Anonymous 14791

As a matter of interest how many romantically challenged girls here are non-white?

Anonymous 14796

One here. Half white and not white passing.

Anonymous 14811

Edited pasta

Anonymous 14818

Anonymous 14820

if i can't sleep with my perfect 8+/10 i don't want to sleep with anyone

Anonymous 14858

It clearly is.

Anonymous 14859

I hate how my roleplay always gets chalked up to being someone else's pasta. It's not fair.

Anonymous 14860

You might have typed it yourself, but if it read indistinguishable from some /r9k/ post (but with genders swapped) it's obviously gonna seem like pasta.

Anonymous 14866

What if both pastas are similar because they are both true? (Despite contradicting the othrr counterpart)

Anonymous 14867

the femcel one is at least a little bit true

Anonymous 14868

I think there's a lot more forever alone men out there than women.

Anonymous 14870

both of them are true, the problem arise when you try to make one of the groups the protagonist in the systematic opression
heidegger already handle that problem with his concept of "gestell", in wich everyone is opressed by the framework of the system itself and who gets the worst part goes to a second plane

Anonymous 14878

I think that there are even amounts of alone people, but women who are alone are more likely to want to be alone and thus not complain about it.

Anonymous 14880

Not always. There are plenty of pre-fame Susan Boyle's in the world. They just don;t get angry about it online as much so it's hard to notice them, and in general, people tend to avert their eyes from really ugly women

Anonymous 14885

Am "ethnic"-looking Jew. It's not the fact that I don't look white that prevents me from finding a bf though, it's the fact that I'm ugly.

Anonymous 14894

It probably won't make you feel any better, but I love "ethnic"-looking Jews. Ugh. I had the biggest crush on my fat, hairy Jewish friend in school. Jewish boys with big noses are nice, too. I just like the "Jew" face in general.

Anonymous 14895

I'm almost a femcel. I've had sex with one person (my bf), and I have no friends. Even as a kid I only had 1-3 friends at a time, and I always thought we were closer than we actually were. It's really hard for me to interact with people properly.

Anonymous 14903


You have a bf, you're NOT almost a femcel. Wat the fuck. You even had/have friends, even if not many. You're a normie with a few friends, that's it. And no, that's not a bad thing.

Anonymous 15143

Maybe you're right. Sorry for high-jacking your thread. I'll make it to true normiedom some day.

Anonymous 17187

I'm almost 26 and have never had sex or been kissed. That's mostly my fault though because I've run away from countless potential relationships because of high standards and my own insecurities about my body.

Most of the guys who have been into me are either extremely fat or extremely autistic, or both. The only exception were guys who used to bully me in middle school for being ugly that tried to get in my pants when I lost weight and became attractive in high school. Even though most of them were attractive themselves I was like yeah, fuck you, NO.

Maybe I'll try online dating once I get my shit together and see how that works out. A lot of people bluntly tell me how fucking odd it is for a 25-year-old to be a virgin so Idk how a sexual partner would react to me being inexperienced in bed.

Anonymous 17189

Somewhat similar situation as you. I had ugly duckling syndrome and hit about 17 and all of a sudden every one was interested in me after being treated like complete garbage. It's really alienating to know most people are willing to treat you nicely solely because of your face. Add an abusive home and I dropped out of life. Loneliness and cptsd are currently crushing me to death. Also careful of online dating, 90% of it is just hookups, if you're not interested in a relationship it's perfect.

Anonymous 17220


being lesbian.
There was one girl who was interested in me but I didn't know until after I had no way to contact her.
When I move out I'm getting a daki.

Anonymous 17256

I feel this

Anonymous 17642

me and anon.jpg

I identify with your post, also I was bored and made a sloppy low effort ms paint edit.

Anonymous 17644


Anonymous 17645

this is too funny lel

Anonymous 17648


Are there any dedicated femcel sites? Also does anyone have girl’s equivalents of stuff like pic related?

Anonymous 17649

You're an idiot. Literally go to a bar, outside, a convention, whatever, meet a random man, and date him. Men aren't hard to date.

Anonymous 17650

Just talk to him hoe it works for me.

Anonymous 17658

Did you mean to reply to the wrong anon who only asked about memes?

Either way men in bars only give me attention if I am with friends and even there it's limited to "hey do you know her?"

Anonymous 17697


>Either way men in bars only give me attention if I am with friends and even there it's limited to "hey do you know her?"

Anonymous 17698


I think I'm just legit autistic and/or a schizo. Even when my mom died roughly 4 months ago I couldn't cry for a week then cried a little and it was more like "shit what do I do now that I need too do shit by myself" rather than getting sad because she's gone and I will never see her again. And I feel like I did love her, I mean, she was with me all my life. Now what can I expect from a relationship with someone who has not been there with me since the beginning? Nothing, I get nothing out of it. I can't feel anything. I can't fall in love, I can't make friendships because they bore me. I don't know what's wrong with me honestly, too scared of talking to a psychiatrist and get locked in the looney bin (already been there once.)

Anonymous 17699

What she said was good advice to everyone in this thread and the no boyfriend thread honestly.

Anonymous 17700

Schizoid personality disorder maybe?
I’m an actual autist so I can relate to having trouble with feeling emotion sometimes, or that might just be depression. When my grandpa died I didn’t cry, I just stared at the wall for 15 minutes, but that’s different since I hadn’t spoken to him since I was a toddler.

Anonymous 17710

you are neurotic and think too much like many people in this age
just read the power of now tbqh

Anonymous 17721

probably because I'm ugly, but I tell myself it's because I'm very shy

Anonymous 17754

Once I get my skin clear I'm finally gonna be below average, I'm so tired of being ugly fuckkkkkkk

Anonymous 17774

Have you ever cried or experienced hard emotions/feelings before? If yes, then there could be something stopping you (poor sleeping conditions for long period of time, untreated depression, etc) if not then there must be something deeper. If you plan to see a psychiatrist or psychologist please perform a background search and make sure they are qualified for their job or you can end up there again.

Anonymous 17809

not a femcel (opposite problem. fending off advances because of asexuality) but I have friends that complain about not having a boyfriend while also having a few people they're not-quite-friends-but-not-quite-lovers deal going on.

From what I see with them the issue is really twice shy (girl is shy, boy is also shy. either the boy gets into a relationship with someone else or things just stay awkward between them).

this might sound very normie, but yeah i agree with poster above. it's not hard to get a guy. if you are willing to settle (that's unfair to you both, but ok) there's gonna be someone as lonely/lonelier than you are that wouldn't mind you as much.

if you're even less concerned about the quality of men you're attracting just be a thirst trap and edit the heck out of your photos. there's gonna be some person willing to bite.

Anonymous 17853

>opposite problem. fending off advances because of asexuality
I don't hang around enough people for that to be the case. You must be a social butterfly or have a big group of acquaintances.

Anonymous 21687

Don't take this personally or like I'm saying that your asexuality isn't valid, but I've known 4 asexuals in my life, all of which grew out of it from their early 20's

Have you considered that you might be "asexual" because you have a debilitating fear of risk and not because you don't find people attractive or sexual interesting?

Again, I'm not saying asexuals don't exist, but I'm asking if you are possibly using it as a defense of your shortcomings?

Anonymous 21702

Once I lose 30 pounds, clean my room, stop biting my nails, get more confident in myself, get a male-approved modern fashion sense, move to an area with actual attractive men, work through the past trama that keeps me from pursuing romantic relationships, and find a job that will keep my lifestyle funded without tanking my free time, it's over for you bitches.

Anonymous 21704

Good luck anon.

Anonymous 21705

Turning /r9k/ pasta on its head is funny as fuck but I’m upset that I can relate to some of hear feelings to an extent.

Anonymous 22022

Do you mean “drama” or “trauma”?

Anonymous 22025

>it's over for you bitches
>you bitches
It never started. You realize what thread you posted in, right?

Anonymous 22047


NTA but that's a meme

Anonymous 22049

Whoops, live under a rock.
In that case then it's fitting that she fixed "hoes" to "bitches."

Anonymous 22058

I'm scared of men :(

Anonymous 22059

Try flirting with a boy slightly younger than you. You'll realize how scared they are of you.

Anonymous 22060

>based cougar-in-training anon

Anonymous 22062

God I hope not. I'm happy with my bf/future husband. I don't have a reason to flirt with anyone else now. But when I was younger that was an important lesson. Seeing boys that would normally scare me speechless stutter and blush because a girl a year older than them was talking to them really helped me realize they're nothing to be afraid of.

Anonymous 22246

Most of them are scared of you too, but be careful of the ones who aren't.

Anonymous 22279


I'm very shy and innocent-looking so the only men who ever approach me are absolute creepers who are attracted to low self-esteem naive qts they can exploit.

Stay safe out there miners. The world, and the men who inhabit it, are cruel and abusive.

Anonymous 22882

Agree, I mean like, I am kinda like Stacy, and I know some girls who would accept those incels. But when they see us together they just ignore them and all start talking to me. Of course I drop them out because I have better boys to have relations with.

Anonymous 22884

Sorry, but I am not some sort of slut to start a conversation with a man. After all man has to approach first.

Anonymous 22887


Are you here for the KC raid?

Anonymous 22888

Anonymous 22889

I know this wants to be a funny parody of the real problem, but this is wrong as research has shown at least in online-dating, that men evaluate women according to gaussian distribution, but it is indeed the women who only want 20%. As is also evident in some posts.

Anonymous 22890

uggos have literal…

It's not wrong

Anonymous 22891


Anonymous 22892

>Whats stopping you from not being a femcel

Meeting someone I want to have sex with

Anonymous 22893

Man should come down from the sky and stop bein so arrogant.

Anonymous 22895

Me. I'm fat and I don't care enough about my virginity to do anything about it. If anything, I'm glad I'll die by 45.

Anonymous 22897


Anonymous 22900

But women still message those men, whereas men may rate women more equally but only pay attention to the most attractive women.
Idk why incels use that graph when it just proves that women don't care and will be dtf and date "ugly" men since we care less about looks.

Anonymous 22906

What's that on the y-axis? Percentage? 5% isn't a huge advantage in my book. If we're going to say all women can now get laid because there are 5% more of us than men that do, then we can say all men are cheaters because 10% more people that cheat are men.


This is awful though. Women are cowards.

Anonymous 22909

>men fight the urge to rape at all times
Never have I wanted all men to die more than in this moment.
Women too. I hate you all.

Anonymous 22911

Yeah, the thing is I'm one of those women who's horny 24/7 and I have considered drugging and raping men that I'm attracted to before. But the thing is it fucking horrifies me that my mind goes there and so I've worked to block those thoughts.

But I forgot that on top of that men have little to no empathy so their only incentive to stop themselves is the law, not morality. In the future when some incels get into higher positions I'm sure things will change. You're right to be scared of the future, anon.

>inb4 why would you care if rape is legal, it means you'll get laid by someone!

Would rather not get fucked that way thx. I'm sure dominant incels would prefer to not get pegged.

Anonymous 22912

>But I forgot that on top of that men have little to no empathy so their only incentive to stop themselves is the law, not morality
True incel (or rather femcel) way of speaking
Incels constantly talk about women being unable to reason like normal humans, as if we're completely superficial creatures

Personally I just think it's the symptom of humans trying to form relationships with dull individuals and feeling somehow betrayed by their expectations

Anonymous 22915

Men do score dramatically lower in EQ tests though and commit more violent crimes, those are just facts. I'm sure there are men who have been taught empathy effectively, but for the most part no.
Many of them are good at faking it though.


>standards lowering
I'll be honest, I could meme myself into being attracted to most people sexually. I have a very specific preference, but in a vacuum I have a baseline attraction to everyone and used to be one of those people who got turned on by porn of weird characters from cartoons and shit (I'll give Benson from rs as an example). I can't act on these impulses though, both because of social anxiety and trying to stay true to my somewhat sexually conservative values (monogamy).

It's always from a dominant perspective though which is why the rape society/offers to be a sub don't do anything for me. Would your male friend want to get dominated by the ugliest woman (assuming he's not submissive)? How about fuck a man?

>Most men not having a rape fetish

They may not report it because of stigma. Male sexuality is super violent generally so I find it hard to believe most stop at ~uwu consensual choking.~

Anonymous 22916


I've never been aroused for more than a few seconds, so I know sex would just be awkward and painful. I genuinely have no interest, except for maybe trying it once, just to have the experience. I've never been comfortable enough with someone to try it though.

I've been asked out before, but by bottom of the barrel, actually autistic guys who can't hold a conversation, and only talk about their one specific interest (which is always vidya). Even those guys have wandering eyes when I was with them, and talk about the other girls they've liked; I was the last choice because all the other girls said no. I should have walked away from the date right then and there.

I had interest from some "higher tier" males some of you would consider Chad, but it was clear their intentions were not serious (friends with benefits). I'm sick of being mommy and getting nothing in return; I listen to all of these assholes' problems, and engage in their sexual fantasies; I reply immediately over text and try to make all of their invitations to go out. I'd dress in more of the clothes they liked and would incorporate it into my wardrobe. "You're great/perfect. I'm just not looking for anything serious right now." Then they get pissed I walk away. Two months later, they have a girlfriend they're serious with, and she's usually psychotic (ie slapping/hitting him hard for teasing, screaming at him for talking to another female he doesn't even know, etc).

I fucking hate scrots. I should have just focused on school. All of the time I wasted on guys, I could have put towards my goals. I resent myself for that.

Anonymous 22918

In some tiers it’s more lopsided towards the other gender caring more and putting more effort into the relationship than the other counterpart.

I think you know which one it is

Anonymous 22919

>Why not date someone your own dating value?
I've asked out guys who I was close friends with for years who are objective 5s like myself, and got rejected. It's the socially inept and the uncommitted that pursue me, but this was in high school.

And, this is going to sound conceited, but I think I'm objectively higher than most people, not looks-wise, but career and motivation wise. I'm pretty active in volunteer communities, politics, and am majoring in physics. I find most men outside of these areas to be utter garbage who lack empathy and a strong desire for communication like I do. Conversations with people are unstimulating, and believe me, I've tried to keep an open mind. I actively engage in the conversation before you make the assumption I don't. This is one of the things my dates have complimented me on the most, was how much I put an effort into keeping the conversation going. I'm just burnt out at this point.

Anonymous 22921

>Aren't you socially inept too given you're here?
Actually, not really. I get along with most people, I just tend to like my alone time.

>You sound like a young, arrogant asshole to say " I'm objectively higher than most people". Probably not even met a lot of people.

You're projecting a lot to call a stranger on the internet an asshole, when you have no idea what I'm like. Sounds like you haven't met a lot of people either. Not everyone who feels they're above people, actually thinks that they are from a place of narcissism, but of different values.

>Why would you expect a higher-tier male to "commit to you", when he's better than you, when you can't do the same to the lower tier yourself?

He's not better than me. Most of these men sleep from girl to girl, have poor grades, and life choices to show for it. I don't expect them to commit to me, but then they shouldn't do it for another woman so shortly after; I was pointing out hypocrisy, but you dodged the point. And I lower myself constantly, and was committed to the autistic guy, he wasn't committed to me by talking about other women's "bangability." Again, missing the point of my original post.

Anonymous 22924

>You wouldn't only be asked by the bottom of the barrel autistic-type guys if you didn't look like them.
I've posted my face on /soc/ without makeup and consistently get rated a 7. Sometimes a 6 or 8; and got 9 three times. Come on now. Denial is real. I rate myself objectively lower than most people have told me they see me as. I do it as to lower myself. I lower my standards because I have insanely low self esteem. How dare I make an angry anonymous post and start to show a little healthy narcissism for not living according to my values? lol Jesus fucking christ anon.

>You're free to blame the entire world and all males in it.

Not once have I done this, but feel free to continue pulling straws out of your ass.

Anonymous 22925

I just dont give a shit about men anymore. Im afraid they will pump and dump me

Anonymous 22928

It has nothing to do with scarcity, women are just inherently more valuable than men, or I guess I should say females are more valuable than males in any diploid species with male and females that reproduces sexually

Anonymous 22934

>I've posted my face on /soc/
In all fairness that is a place filled with autistic loser males.

Anonymous 22939

>it fucking horrifies me that my mind goes there and so I've worked to block those thoughts
that's the wrong way to treat it imo. imagination is the greatest asset that separates humankind from animals driven by base instinct - you absolutely should use it to live out things you would never do in reality, because how else will you learn about them. there's no such thing as a slippery slope - if anything you desensitise yourself to the ideas and don't have them intruding on your life so much.
whereas, once you start suppressing thoughts out of fear/shame without addressing their root cause, you get things like "male feminist" syndrome, outbursts of awful behaviour from self-loathing people who hit breaking point and have nothing else to lose.

you're right about men having low empathy. but above all what they respect is power. if the idea of women also having forceful sexual drive and agency weren't so fucking hushed and taboo within popular culture, you probably would see a sharp decline in male rape cases, as they'd start to view females on equal footing and be more aware of their own vulnerabilities.

Anonymous 22943

Not true at all, plenty of women are on there. I mean plenty as in about 10-30%.
>men have little to no empathy
This is as bad as "all women are whores"-type incelspeak. Stop it.
>if the idea of women also having forceful sexual drive and agency weren't so fucking hushed
Lots of guys want a femdom relationship. Rapists are few and far between when you look at mankind as a whole. Stop basing your observations of society on the few bad men. Go to a bar and talk to five guys and at least two of them will charm you with their unironically good personalities.

Anonymous 22965

Stop giving them everything they want. People say it makes you look like you have no backbone and that's a turn off, but here's the real reason why that's bad: people always take shit for granted. If you don't give them some pushback every once in a while when it comes to being accommodating, they will get to the point where your hard work is just expected and normal to them, not something special. They need context to remind them every once in a while that you're going out of your way for them. It's the same principle with the incels that complain about girls not liking nice guys. I'm not saying be a bitch and yell at them for stuff, but be assertive and say something he wants is a hassle or ask for things YOU want instead sometimes. He's gotta compromise for you too, you know.

Anonymous 22968

You're right. It's something I struggle with; I grew up with a father who has NPD and a mother who is borderline. I learned to ignore my emotions or wants and needs, to avoid conflict, rejection, or even physical harm. Funnily enough, I'm achieving the opposite. I don't know what I'm so scared of, rejection is part of life. Some people just aren't compatible, but I tend to people please. Anger isn't an emotion I do well with and try to repress; It makes me nauseous, and feel like I'm on the verge of tears. Aside from my own parents, no one has ever seen me get angry (outside of normal "annoyed" expressions) or yell. I can't tell if little things just don't bother me, or if I'm just extremely out of tune with my emotions. I make compromises constantly and they don't bother me, but somehow I burn out. I should be able to tell when I'm reaching my burnout point (usually a physical irritant gives it away), but I don't realize it until someone is too bothered to help me with something insignificant that I become aware of how tired I am.

Ultimately, I do know I'm responsible for why these relationships felt one sided, I just don't know where to start in order to get better. I don't even know what my own wants or needs are; I have PTSD and am numb most of the time. What feeling am I supposed to look for that indicates something isn't right, when most emotions just blend together and feel like nothing?

Anonymous 22998

I'm like you, have CPTSD, am codependent. I even got therapy for it. Didn't help much as far as me not making the same mistakes again but it made me understand more why and how I am the way that I am.

It's very hard to know when things aren't right because things being bad is what makes me feel comfortable. As stupid as that is, I have to admit to myself that it's true. I see things so bleakly now because I feel like anyone I really like and feel like I love, it's because deep down, I know they're a toxic person who's going to hurt me. It's the whole subconscious reason I'm attracted to them.

Anonymous 23021

I’m volcel, for now. I just don’t have any desire to be a part of a romantic relationship anymore. The flame of desire has long since been put out by looking at the experiences of other people. The idea of sex disgusts me, partially because of it’s primitive nature, partly because of some emotional trauma. I know i should let myself meet some who aren't probable /pol/ browsers, but the past has proven that men, at least in my country, just don't think about woman as people. And as crazy as this sounds, even I don’t know if I’m a person or not, I like to be objective about my opinions. Like radical feminists, the manosphere (MGTOW, /pol/, incels) tries to understand the opposite sex not knowing many, well, good women/men, while having zero compassion for them because mommy or daddy issues, or whatever happened to them. I know some of you will ask me "Why would I care about someone else's opinion when they can't even fully understand my side of the story?". Good question. I think it might be because ever since I can remember, I have always wanted to be male, I even remember asking my mom if it was normal that I wanted to be a boy when I was young. She got concerned, but eventually i stopped. No dysphoria. I'm never becoming a radfem, or a member of WGTOW, because I'll at least attempt to find someone I feel respects me and my sex. I would try to understand their wants and needs as well, too, but only if i see that they're willing to put in the same amount of effort. God, I fucking hate being a woman. It's pathetic – actually downright stupid. If you think this is a larp, well, I wish it was.

Anonymous 23022

You have got a lot of problems, anon. I suggest you look into your body problem and try accepting who you are, while avoiding the route of suicidal trannies and radfems. Maybe you like dressing like a guy. Perhaps you copy their mannerisms. That's not problematic, as long as you still accept yourself. What you wear or how you act isn't defining to your sex. Your sex is already defined long before you could think of it. Accept it, anon, and go on to make someone happy.

Anonymous 23032

Holy crap… I thought I was the only female who wanted to be male with no physical dysphoria. I just hate all of the bullshit expectations put on women. Ironically, the bullshit expectations put on men don't bother me one bit.

For example, I never talk to strange children, I do all heavy lifting by myself, and I'm quite stoic. One of my prior bosses complained that I never cried at work when I got in trouble. There's no way he would have said that to a man… I really wish I was born a dude so I wouldn't have to shave my legs without being publically ridiculed. That's only one example, but I could really sperg about this crap all night.

Anonymous 23070


Anonymous 23071


>just talk to him and he’ll be your bf! It’s that easy!

Anonymous 23120

i don't even know what femdom means honestly. all the content labeled as such on the internet still fetishizes women, just from the perspective of denying and teasing a man who wishes to be on top. there's still no regard for what the woman actually desires.

Anonymous 23126



Anonymous 23133

Where is this coming from? I want to date a man who has similar features to me actually (big nose, sad eyes, showers daily, although I want him to be short and I'm not a womanlet) and I offer affection, regular sex, and future financial support in a relationship.

It's just hard to find guys who match me in personality. I'd like someone introverted and monogamous and most young men just are not.
I guess by definition I'm not a female incel since I have had offers to lose my virginity but the circumstances aren't pure (fwb…degenerate). I just wanna love a guy, anon.

The pump and dump fear is also real, idk where you get off thinking it never happens. Many men just want to have one night stands with a bunch of women and never settle down.

Anonymous 23134

What do I do if the only men who approach me first are fat, autistic, or both? If only those men find me attractive then good quality men (slim, at least 5/10 facially, mentally stable) would probably spit in my face if I tried flirting with them. And no, I'm not lowering my standards to date fat pieces of shit with no manners. I'd much rather be a single virgin.

Anonymous 23135

Ask yourself what about your look, personality, and way of holding yourself is appealing to fat autistic retards but not an average regular guy.

Figure it out and change it.

Anonymous 23136

I'm pretty damn sure it's the fact that I'm hideous, anon. Like 2/10 hideous. The only reason these men find me "attractive" is probably because of the "just lower your standards to get laid bro" meme.

Anonymous 23138

Idk, maybe if you dress well and act confidently you could get a 5/10 skinnyfat guy who at most is only assburgers.

Anonymous 23139

>how psychologically devastating it is for people who don't even have this privilege.
lol shut up, you stupid twat.

Anonymous 23140

First anon, and I never said that I'm hard done by because of it. I know it's a privilege and take it as a compliment that I have at least average looks.

I'm confused as to what you want from me though. I don't want to be a slut, so if that's all men want I'm just not going to mess with those men. Do you…want me to be a slut?

I do approach men on my own too if you're going to suggest that. Although it's lead to nothing yet I prefer to take control of the situation and will continue with that.

My complaint is more about the state of men (and young people in general) at this time, rather than being too ugly or models not wanting me lol. I'm cel because people are degenerates. Just wanted to correct you in your statement that we're all uggos chasing Chad.

Anonymous 23143

You've made me realize this identity and these threads are no longer for me. They used to be, when I had only been rejected but I guess things have changed.

I'm sorry anon, and thank you. I wish you the best.

Anonymous 23145

I want to lose my virginity with someone I love and care about, and vice versa. The problem is that I've never even been on a date, I'm a socially inept shut-in with no friends, unlovable and a failure. I should just end it…

Anonymous 23168


>tfw the only guys that ever seem to like me are gross misogynist neckbeards

Anonymous 23194


I've lurked RedPillWomen in hopes of making myself more appealing to men by obtaining highly attractive female qualities, which entailed "Be femenine – gentle, receptive, dainty and nurturing". Can't look at the last word without shuddering now. Many other posters considered being more ditzy and advised other women of the sub not to take themselves seriously, which gave me a vibe of "Know your place, woman" – maybe I'm bluepilled, but I don't like the idea of dumbing myself down for somebody else. The sub has many good ideas, and the contributors' intentions are in the right place, but I just find that I'm the total opposite of being feminine, at least psychologically. I sort of feel like a broken woman tbh, because I honestly do have in many conservative values, one of which is believing in gender roles, but the expectations that are set for me feel like they're the opposite of my personality that I've had for decades.

Anonymous 23195

>believes in strict gender roles
>doesn't even fit them herself
Bitch what the fuck.

I hope you're one of those who just believes "it's best for society to function this way" rather than "it's innate for everyone" because if it's the second your logic is lacking kek.

Anonymous 23198

Yeah, I realize the roundabout logic of that. I just think It's more efficient for society, was raised pretty conservatively. I don't think there's anything wrong with not conforming to gender roles either, it's really just my opinion. And if gender roles were innate i wouldn't have had this mental block in the first place. I'm conflicted, I know.

Anonymous 23199

You're just denying what's already there. Apples and oranges. Either way, it isn't safe to be on the fence like this.

Anonymous 23200

she's almost there sister. just give her time.

I hate "red-pilled" men, and this is speaking as someone who fits most female stereotypes.

Anonymous 23201

Are you talking about the differences between men and women, or..? Genuine question. What am I denying, exactly?

The sub is filled with tradwives and generally the broad advice of self-improvement could be gender neutral. Men aren't encouraged to post there.

Anonymous 23202

Who you are. I'm not sure what happened that gave you these thoughts, that made you "broken", though I'm sure it wasn't anything good. There are others who grow up into "neutral" sex roles (tender men, and hardy women) who don't feel an emptiness within them, because nothing was taken away from them. They were raised to like their fathers and mothers equally, regardless of what sex they were, giving them equal feminity and masculinity, with no insecurities.

It'd help to know just what brought you to this mindset.

Anonymous 23204

If you have kids and want to do your best to be a good mom those nurturing personality traits will probably start kicking in and developing on instinct (at least that's what happened for me.) When people mention being nurturing as a feminine trait I think they probably mean in the context of your own family/for your own loved ones, not for everyone in the world, that's just imprudent and probably going to get you hurt if you're not guarding your heart so you can be loving to the people that matter the most to you.

Anonymous 23205

I feel like the only quality on that list that couldn't be applied to all good partners universally is "dainty". Wouldn't you agree that men who are nurturing are attractive as well? And if so, do you find that demeaning in their case?

Anonymous 23214

You were 22 once tho

Anonymous 23215

I suggest you don't do that because there is a certain appeal to shut-ins.

Anonymous 23220



Right this way dark and handsome

Anonymous 23223

So this is what the average sneedposting /tv/cel looks like

Anonymous 23224

Honestly if he cut his hair he'd look quite a bit better. Not more than a 7 or 8, but arguably more attractive.

Anonymous 23271

Yeah maybe you're right, I don't know.

Anonymous 23303

Where tf did you get these stats from?

Anonymous 23304

This proves nothing, the ideal women for most men are young but a girl doesn't need to be ideal to be approached, a guy is more willing to settle and for much much less.
Also there are far more variables in determining a girls attractiveness, in other words you can be a 40 year old stacie. >>22897

Anonymous 23313

all politics is bullshit, and you shouldn't feel like you have to conform to any one ideology. mix and match, pick out the best ideas that make sense for you, fuck anyone who accuses you of "betraying the cause"

Anonymous 23317

>a guy is more willing to settle and for much much less
They will still fantasize about dating and marrying the hottest and youngest "Stacies". I'd rather all men chased after and slept with women they really want instead of settling for someone (aka consolation prize) they care less about. Look at how many men are disappointed when their similar-aged wives start to show signs of aging or when they have affairs, the women tend to be at least 10 years younger than their own partners.

Anonymous 23327

Men are liable to grow to love you if you match them personality wise. Looks account for about 30% and mostly in the initial meeting (unless you're truly hideous). If you are a good fit, his brain will make you a lot more attractive in his eyes, even if you're plain. The reverse also applies - even if you're a hottie, he'll start to be repulsed by you if you're a bitch to him.

Anonymous 23349

Just lose weight

Anonymous 23478

>just lose weight

I do not appreciate this boney-cel erasure. What about our horse-faced sisters with a banana shaped body (only curve is us hunching over to hide our non-existent chest).
>inb4 all guys want is a girl to be not fat ur not a femcel
Actual bullshit. Guys want more than that, it's just easier to fake a pretty face with make up or a curvy body with padding and push up than to hide being a fatass. I know dude who've told me that they would rather have a porker with good fat distrubution and a "nice face" (read: makeup skills to hide her double chin) than an """ugly""" (read: doesn't look like an instagram model post makeup) lanky girl

Anonymous 23494

Yes, but the average dude won't break up with a girl as soon as he sees her without makeup. Just watch some Nikki Tutorials and get pretty. Can't be that hard.
My point is that the whole "just lose weight" assumes that men actually only want a girl who's not fat and that's it, which is objectively bullshit.
Ana-chans who think that skinniness will solve your problems in the age of the #novababe are hopelessly stuck in 2007. Maybe some r9k user will say he loves you, but irl guys want the perfect slim-thicc girl with a pound of natural-looking makeup and a :fire emoji: insta these days.

Anonymous 23496

How would you feel if; on the second or maybe third date - your bf asked if he could see you without any makeup? Would that make you uncomfortable? How would you handle it?

Anonymous 23502

In the unlikely event that I were to have a boyfriend and he were to see me without makeup he wouldn't be shocked. I don't wear makeup much because I think it's hopeless anyway. And when I do, it's not anything life changing. Think thick eyeliner to make my eyes pop and sometimes bronzer to look like I go outside.

Anonymous 23514

>> she thinks most men have a rape fetish

Anonymous 23517

Cuckoldry is a more popular fetish with men than rape. Rape is more popular with women than Cuckoldry is.

What does it all mean?

Anonymous 23519

Good point. We need to investigate why white men don't want to rape as much as they should.

There's something fishy going on…

Anonymous 23524

That may be what they "want" but its in the same vein as women "wanting" a guy who who is 6' or taller, with a swimmers body, 6-figure salary, great sense of humor, sweet and caring but also confident and ambitious, interesting and accomplished blah blah.

What people "want" vs what they'll take and be glad to have are two separate things.

Anonymous 23527

This is a real femcel

Anonymous 23528

Except that a good chunk of women don't want that since we have varied tastes. I want none of those (and never have) for instance, aside from sweet and caring. Are you an actual woman?

Anonymous 23529

You sound like a man

Anonymous 23531

as does everyone who tells you things you don't want to hear im sure

Anonymous 23532

The context of the convo is that human beings are all clones who want the same things remember? the anons claim was that if you aren't thin with a perfect face and a buxom body then men wont want you. That's the context I'm posting within

Anonymous 23562

Not everyone wants recreational sex, and no femcel wants to risk getting used for sex. Get it through your head, boy.

Anonymous 23564

>grow up ugly
>now probably around average level attractiveness

Still act like an ugly girl. I don't have those normal social experiences in my formative years to help me relate to normies, but now since I'm doing so well I can't relate to "femcels". It sucks being in between.

Anonymous 23571

But there's lots of men in the same void as you are. Normies are just out of your league.

Anonymous 23577

The thing is ugly girls are forced to build personalities while ugly guys just become warped on the inside.

Anonymous 23581

What makes you feel so special that you developed a personality while every ugly guy just gets warped?

Are your experiences really that much different than an ugly guy's?

I feel like a lot of both femcels and incels would have a much better shot at not being that way if they started looking at the opposite sex as potential allies rather than obligate rivals.

Anonymous 23587

I'm not after male attention, it's a more personal thing. People treat you better if you're attractive.

Anonymous 23589

Quit perceiving yourself as unattractive. Drop the insecurities, and you'll see life improve tenfold.

Anonymous 23592

>lol just get over the way people treat you

NTA but it just doesn't work that way. Ugly women are treated like shit, even if they're confident.

Anonymous 23631

Ugly people, especially women, are constantly mocked. Hell, the only reason I'm able to function is because I'm "normie passing" appearance-wise.

Anonymous 23638

Be the change you want to see in the world, anon. You're only as ugly as you are inside.

Anonymous 23639

At a certain point you need to accept that feeling bad about yourself or upset because how unfair things are is pointless navel gazing. Do what you can to improve things and what can't be improved just accept and try and live life fully.

Anonymous 23645

You haven't achieved acceptance. Maybe one day you will.

Anonymous 23660

Its not a normal thing to accept. It’s unnatural.
At least that’s the way I see it.
God wouldn’t create ugly, deformed creatures. It really feels like a sign that no one cares. It’s like trying to bludgeon through rock with your bare fists. It’s futile and it hurts.

Anonymous 23679

There is no meaning to beauty or ugliness. The flesh only hides the soul to be seen. Don't live in envy, anon. There are many who need to feel your love.

Anonymous 23753


>The flesh only hides the soul to be seen

Anonymous 23755

The future is so bright, I don't need eyes to see it.

Anonymous 26091


Any other "femcels" here have no idea why they are?
Quotations for me since I have had the chance to touch another human's genitalia but refused because it was under uncommitted circumstances.

But I just can't get a partner and I have no idea why. I'd blame my looks but see women who are fatter and "uglier" than me with bfs regularly. And I'm not promiscuous so it's not like I'm being rejected for a LTR due to being impure. My standards are not high, for real.
I used to have reverse incel-tier thoughts (all men are evil and the same, etc.) these past two years which may have given off bad vibes, but I've worked a lot on that and am feeling much better. I just don't know what's wrong with me.

Anonymous 26093

Just go out and hunt for it. BFs, GFs, its all about iniciative and action, almost nobody got their chance while they sat at home posting on female 4chan.

Go on tinder, loosen up a little and act. Just show yourself to the world and eventually someone will show an oportunity. Then just act

Anonymous 26095

>Just go out and hunt for it
>implying I haven't cold approached 5 guys in the past year of which none have worked out in one way or another
I am!! Anon I'm trying my best.
From what I know nothing serious ever comes from that. It's a hookup app.
I'm also afraid of catfishing someone accidentally. I don't edit my photos and I think I look cuter in mirrors than selfies but…idk.

I have one (1) hope to meet a friend of an acquaintance next semester but I expect little tbh. He'll probably dislike me because I'm apparently unlovable or we'll be incompatible somehow.

Anonymous 26106

Im too overwhelmed by my own pessimism, it drives everybody away.

Anonymous 27793


You know the thing about "reverse maymay's" is they aren't funny unless they are true. Satire or not this has genuinely inspired me to burn more shit down in this vein.

Did you know that women account for 92.5% of all workplace deaths? Women fought in every world war while men sat at home fucking random Stacies behind our back, God we never should have given men the right to vote, we women earned it through the blood of battle, slavery and countless civilizations and the responsibility that brings. Men are pursued relentlessly just for pitching a tent and closing their legs, while we women have to fight tooth and nail for just a single man who will monkey branch at the soonest point possible to another fucking Stacy. Every commercial and show portrays men as unconquerable, independent brillant super beings while women are framed as dumb, stupid labor monkeys.


Anonymous 27801


>An incel isn't simply someone who doesn't have sex
Except that kt exactly is. One does not need to hate the opposite sex to be an incel. Also the first self-proclaimed incel was a girl.

Anonymous 27807


>Except that kt exactly is.
Except that it literally isn't. Not having sex is only one half of being incel, you still need to fulfill the other criterion you dolt.

Anonymous 27808


That other criterion you're talking about was made up much later (years) after the original term was created.
So for someone to be classified as an incel, that person needs to not have sex despite wanting it. Nothing else. Period.

Anonymous 27834

Sexlessless is rising in the west. For both genders.
According to GSS and PEW:

28% of men aged 18-30, and
18% of women aged 18-30.

The discrepancy lies in the fact that women tend to enter into relationships with older men.

Most researchers blame social media and technological alienation, but it's probably more complex than that. I don't want to derail, so I will spare you my opinion. The point I was trying to make is that incels and femcels are not fringle minorities anymore. This is becoming a real problem, and it's the primary reason western nations have turned to 3rd-world immigration to replenish their numbers and support the ponzi scheme that is deficit spending economy.

Anonymous 27837

Unfortunately, I have high standards, although I try to avoid them I don't stop having them. I would like to try it with some of the guys who have spoken to me these years, but none of them attracted me, and they were not even ugly or annoying, but they did not fit into my idea of perfect bf.

I hate to have high standards, but it's inevitable. The only time I was lucky with guys I was attracted to, it ended up badly and in very uncomfortable situations.

Anonymous 27838


Anonymous 27846

this scary. i’m only 21 and i’m already becoming less attractive to men yay

Anonymous 27849

Ideal is ideal. It doesn't mean it's exclusionary.
Men won't magically stop finding you attractive the moment you turn 22.
But evolutionary biology is a thing. People used to live for a lot less. Fertility was a much narrower window. Men have evolved to look for and judge based on secondary sexual characteristics, like women do.

The primary secondary sexual characteristics they look for are: youth and fertility. That is expanded to skin health, wide hips, large breasts, slim waist, et cetera.

Also don't forget that evolutionary biology drives the species' survival. With an average menarche of 14-years-old, we expend roughly 90% of our oocyte reserves by 28-years-old. The oocytes are in suspended apoptosis since a woman is an infant in the womb. The oocytes do not undergo meiosis, and they are subject to environmental effects as well as endogenous. Since they do not replicate like regular cells, they are subject to methylation.
The end result being, the older a woman gets the lower the chances she has that her oocytes can result in an ovum.It boils down to genetics and epigenetic effects. There are women that have produced children well into their 40s.

I digress.

Anonymous 27864


>The discrepancy lies in the fact that women tend to enter into relationships with older men.
It doesn't though. Only about maybe 1/20th of the gap could be explained by that.

Anonymous 27865

Let's not beat around the bush. The obvious reason for the discrepancy is Chads who have sex with several different female partners.

Anonymous 27867

Yep. Thanks for saying that.

Anonymous 27870

No, it means that women have a greater emphasis on status vs beauty, which means that slightly older, more accomplished men are more desirable than, younger physically more attractive ones.

Anonymous 27871

lol so naive … There are obviously many more reasons, hypergamy being one, but also the fact that many dudes don't put themselves out there and try to connect with other people (not necessarily females), etc …

Anonymous 27879

>There are obviously many more reasons, hypergamy being one, but also the fact that many dudes don't put themselves out there and try to connect with other people
Yes, which translates into some men having lots of sex and many men having no sex at all.

Anonymous 27880

Find a bf and just mold him into your perfect bf by asking him to do stuff all uwu like lmao.

Anonymous 27883

Correlation causation …

Anonymous 27900

>females believing in manospherian beliefs

Anonymous 27906

What's your explanation for the difference in sexlessness rates for men and women then?

Anonymous 27934

Women choose when sex happens
Guys choose when relationship happens

*Generally speaking ofc

Anonymous 27936

Sure, I agree with that. But that doesn't answer the question.

Anonymous 27937


A plethora of factors play into it.
It is a fact that women tend to go out with older men.
It is a fact that men (nowadays) tend to be more solitary/alienated.
It is a fact that "hypergamy" is exarcebated in liberal societies where religious/social monogamy is not enforced. I don't like the term hypergamy though.

Males and females boast asymmetrical mating strategies and the dynamics of course are not identical. The discrepancy is to be expected until the system self-corrects.
In history the system would self-correct with a)large migrations b)war c)enforced polygyny

You can also look at the relevant Maps that demonstrate the female to male ratio in countries. It is broken down by age range, topography, rural vs urban centers, et cetera.
Long story short, women outnumber men in large city centers, and men now outnumber women all around due to 3rd world migration, in some countries. Sweden, for example, has devolved to a 109 males for every 100 females.

Anonymous 28091

Please i want to hear your opinion

Anonymous 28120

this seem really complex

Anonymous 28121

I can summarize in English and remove the unnecessary junk.

Anon first claims as a basis you should accept the following things as a baseline before considering their conclusions:
>You can get birth control, and there is even social pressure not to get pregnant (for a job, "too young", partner doesn't want kids)
>Men naturally try to fuck everyone they can, women try to fuck the BEST person they can; but, men are expected to make the first move in a relationship
>At least some part of how women look for partners is dependent on hormone balance; however, they also judge based on other stuff (like how much money, social standing, strength, or intelligence a man has)
>There are big cities where women can meet a lot of people, like at bars

She argues, if you accept those things as a given:
>Modern sex has little to do with making babies. People do it a lot more for other reasons.
>Your hormones are being affected by synthetic (human made) products
>There's not a good reason to choose a sex partner based on things like parenting skill if you're not having sex to become a parent
>Access to a lot of different men in cities resulted in women all acting alike (Staceys) and/or avoiding conflict (think ghosting instead of a proper breakup; moving on instead of trying to salvage a relationship).
>The result of the last statement is that women are treated like a single collective/organization that thinks and acts alike, and is as-far-opposite to men as possible
She adds, in closing, that there are other possible things, that weren't mentioned and could play factors.

Now you can judge for yourself if you agree or disagree.

Anonymous 28122

that poster is a male incel trying to copy his daddy jordan peterson and we all know it

Anonymous 28125

if you knew it was that obvious why didnt you make any attempt to hide it?

Anonymous 28127

its more the fact you felt the need to write like a 15 year old who thinks using big words makes them smart to essentially say nothing

Anonymous 28130

Im not a high school drop out Im a stem student in my second year of uni. being unnecessarily verbose is what dumb kids do to seem smart. Ive read your post twice now and you dont actually seem to have "arguments" just a bunch of statements

is this supposed to relate to sexlessness? because none of the things you posted are linked to female sexlessness, and male sexlessness is caused by males being shit which I dont care about. you seem to just be parroting incel talking points, but in a detached "scientific" way making them sound like actual facts and. your point is basically "the west" is being ruined by liberals etc, but you dont want to say that out right because you know thats stupid

Anonymous 28131

fwiw anon, i liked your post because it was nicely laid out, clear, and coherent. i wish more people would put their viewpoints down in a manner like that, since it avoids a lot of needless misunderstandings.

unfortunately, because the wording isn't standard for imageboards (i don't really like the exact wording either, it's a bit needless in itself tbh), they'll just call you names instead.

Anonymous 28134

you have been banned from this place multiple times, i don't know why you keep coming back.

regardless, your points are spot on. what do you suggest doing to improve it? understanding that no one (males and females) will be interested in eliminating birth control and that women who want to pursue tertiary education will continue doing so.

Anonymous 28141

All I want right now is a hug from a guy. It’s been too long since I’ve hugged a guy (the last time was probably for a school bonding activity or something). I’m craving the male touch so much. Not even direct skin-to-skin contact, which I’ve pretty much never felt, but just the feeling of embracing a man, if only for a few seconds.

Anonymous 28143

I legit feel sad for you anon… I hope you find your hug… and that it's a good one

Anonymous 28145

Are you a professional in the field ? Absolute flawless analysis

Anonymous 28153

If you're kinda desperate (guessing so) and you're the outgoing type (guessing not) and you live in a nice-ish city, you can just hold a sign saying free hugs and guys (and other women) will hug you. You might get some creepers, but that's why I say a nice-ish city, so the nice ones outweigh the less-nice ones.

Anonymous 28168

28121 here, I am not the other person, I was just summarizing their points because I am familiar with the words they were using

(Also that's why admin didn't smite me, since >>28122 says that other person was a man)

Anonymous 28277


I really didn't need to read this today

Anonymous 28290

I'm really, really ugly. Although even if I was attractive I'd probably still be single since most men, from what I've heard from non-femcel friends and seen in articlea ans shit, are non-monogamous or prefer submissive women and I'm just not interested in either of those kinds of relationships.

Anonymous 28291

>"Articels" and Imageboards.

Yeeeees thats where the trustworthy data is found.

Anonymous 28319


>175cm tall, literally taller than my dad
>shit teeth
>curly, messy hair
>naturally bushy eyebrows
>body is hairy as fuck
>unironic sperg (diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome)
>low IQ
>too insecure to talk to people irl
>lesbian because men are just too fucking ugly, I can't force myself to be attracted to them

How do I fix myself without kmsing or going under the knife?

Anonymous 28326

Work on your self esteem, no knife required

Anonymous 28334

I bet you're not stupid at all. IQ is a functionless metric. It tries to test both your knowledge and mental fitness, the state of which cannot be communicated numerically. If that weren't enough, though, both states are combined into ONE(1) number.

It is impossible for any meaningful data about your performance on said test to remain when the data has been explicitly discarded in favor of three digits. The very notion of IQ was a pitiful attempt by the human ego to encapsulate and know consciousness (instead of simply being consciousness), so that it could believe it was greater.


Anonymous 28336

>It tries to test both your knowledge and mental fitness
Anon, you should probably read up sbout IQ tests and what they measure. They DO NOT measure knowledge.

Anonymous 28339


you're almost exactly like me

Anonymous 28340

You sound literally like me except I also have a weak-ish jaw, small lips and eyes but I'm still pretty skinny. Your height isn't anything scary, where do you live that it's tall? I stopped caring about my appearance after I exited puberty, now I just take care of what I have and I'm much happier. I don't even wear makeup. Don't let looks bother you so much, we can't do anything about it. I still somehow have men attracted to me despite looking like a damn rat. I'm just happy and nice and don't have issues with guys I guess despite being a total sperg.

Anonymous 28342

Why is height an issue? Gay girls love tall ladies from what I can tell online and are less hateful than men when it comes to strong or "masculine" features. I had a chubby hairy butch friend who was never girlfriendless and women of assorted types always got crushes on her.

Unless your issue is being too anxious to even talk to qt girls irl, in which case…same.

Anonymous 28350

what the fuck is t…

Sorry for the late reply, I only use the internet at night.

I feel that if I love myself without getting others to like me first I'll become an insufferable narcissistic bitch. It's not going to help with my looks anyway.

This does make me feel better. I didn't know that about IQ, I tried doing a test one day because I saw others brag about their high IQ like it were an achievement and got a mere 95, mostly because I struggled with this fucking autism right here (pic related) because my spatial awareness is nonexistent.

Well, at least I'm not the only one, not sure if that's a good thing though.

>where do you live that it's tall?

Uruguay, it's in South America. All men here are fucking manlets (blame it on medoid ancestry), but a daughter being taller than her dad is quite rare. Guess I inherited my height from mom's side, because my dad is a 168cm tall Armenian manlet.

I can barely talk to girls. I can barely talk to people period, unless it's people I see every day or at least know. I feel like I'm going to fuck up someway and they will end up either hating me or laughing at me.

Anonymous 28354

The answer is B

Anonymous 28367


Anonymous 28368

No it is

Anonymous 28369

Biggest cope I've seen in a while
IQ is heavily correlated with health, income, career success, basically everything you'd expect smart people to succeed at

Anonymous 28370

Oop, my bad.

Anonymous 28372



Are you french or what ?

Anonymous 28378

not that anon, but my IQ has been tested at ~130 and in my experience it doesnt mean anything. many of my friends are also "high IQ" and none of them are particularly successful

Anonymous 28379

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>This does make me feel better. I didn't know that about IQ
It shouldn't because it's a lie or ignorant opinion made only to make you feel better. IQ is a relative measure of how efficiently you process information. Obviously it's useful, but the degree of how important it is varies a lot. For example if a job doesn't require you to learn or solve lot of new things fast, high IQ won't help much. You could work in something like finances and do some tax calcing stuff using formulas provided by the state, and as long as the tax laws don't change every month or two you could do it as fine as anyone else. Programmer who gets requests for different type of software often and technology he has to use changes quickly, or doctor who gets patients with lot of different problems and has to help them quick, will greatly benefit from high IQ. And people are needed in various jobs, even stupid truck driver is extremely important to transport goods to shops in cities.

Success is more about making use of your strong points. If high IQ person won't do stuff that benefits from high IQ, they'll end up looking like any other average person. There are people who make career out of their looks, physical fitness, knowledge or some other stuff while not necessarily having high IQ. High IQ just gives you more opportunities because you can learn easier and in a world that gets more complex it'll come in handy more often.

I think it's more worrisome how people react to any kind of IQ talk. It's like the first thing that comes to their minds when topic of low IQ populations is brought up is genocide, like IQ alone was good enough reason to depopulate whole Africa or something.
Another problem is people often not understanding bell curves and simplification of everything to whole populations. Most of the time differences between curves for populations mean that amount of people with specific traits will vary, not that there will be complete lack of them or everyone will apply.

Anonymous 28417


Willingness to commit more violent crimes isn't a sign of low empathy though, but rather an ability to circumvent empathy or ignore it when convenient

which I guess makes biological sense for the nature-designated warrior/bear-fighting gender

Anonymous 28423

Truer words have never been spoken

Anonymous 28429


Anonymous 28536

>I feel that if I love myself without getting others to like me first I'll become an insufferable narcissistic bitch. It's not going to help with my looks anyway.

This is a huge fucking problem in society, there's this common misconception, often had by low self esteem people, that even daring to think that you can love yourself means you're suddenly a narcissistic self-centered ego-filled piece of shit.
That's not how this works, and if you fear that so much, assuming you eventually gain more self-esteem, which you will hopefully for your own sake, don't you think you'll be able to regulate yourself? You need to have some faith in you, it's not wrong to care for yourself, if no one cared about themselves we'd all be dead.

I used to have no self-esteem, was depressed for years, and I used to have that fear too, but eventually, I snapped out of it, after many years of fighting I was finally able to overcome depression and you know what I've found out? I love myself and I'm not a self centered piece of shit like I once feared I'd be.

As for your looks, I recognize that if genetics fuck you over, you have a lot more work to do to be presentable, but that doesn't mean it's impossible, if you can become better, why shouldn't you? But of course, since you don't care right now, you won't be able to see what I mean. As for the autism, it's hard, but if you work hard enough, you'll be able to be at least high functioning enough to meet people. Remember, nothing is impossible, there's no conclusive evidence that such exists.

Now, here's some advice to get your self esteem up should you decide to take it:

Do things that make you proud of yourself, be able to find a good distraction when the bad thoughts come knocking, allow yourself to just relax and have fun, sleep well, try to see things on the bright side, and don't sweat it so much.

If you do things that make you proud of yourself, you'll start to see the good in yourself, and that's where it all starts, meanwhile, if you can manage well enough, you can learn to accept yourself despite any flaws, you can even try to fix whatever is directly fixable too. It may take many months, but you're a human being, and like any other human being, you have the potential to make it work.

Anonymous 28598


Even 4C anons would laugh at this brilliant parody, well done anonette.

Anonymous 28601

violence doesn't necessarily mean a lack of empathy, violence is needed for the survival of a people/race and natural selection(or god) gave this duty to mens, in that context violence is actually peak empathy, while it may seem useless to a lot of us because it's literally not in our genes as much as them.

Anonymous 28624


>it's literally not in our genes as much as them
ayrt (still here…) and lmaoing because my reply before that was about my violent fantasies involving raping and maiming men.
But yes I think my use of "empathy" was actually wrong, I meant sympathy (and lack of self-control). Sadism at its core IS empathy, I would know. I meant to say men just don't feel bad about the suffering of anyone even if they realize and understand it exists.
>circumvent empathy or ignore it when convenient
>good to keep away wild animals and compete, etc.
The other point I was trying to make is that men use this only for selfish gain and turn their sympathy off for even those they should not want to. Since, you know. Most child murderers (not infant killers though, this one goes to ppd women) and rapists are still men, and there's nothing noble in that.

I'm not sure I agree with myself anymore tbqh. I was PEAK femcel at that point and if my estimates are right it was just after two rejections, blam blam. I still fall into this way of thinking often even if I logically know not all men are looking to harm women. I'm just paranoid and angry.

And at this point I'm not even really a femcel, just a horrible and sad person.

Anonymous 28651

I like to post on /adv/ on the other chan and there's often a question that comes up where a fellow anonette will ask something like
>How can I not be afraid of men when I know violent crime is more often committed by men
First: it's true and okay to acknowledge that men do commit substantially more violent crime than women. But if you care about stats and not just validating your viewpoint, you have to care about the other stat that says "violent crime doesn't happen a lot, lot, lot, lot, lot more of the time".

The fact is that if you care that 96% of murderers are men, you also have to care that 99.6% won't commit a violent crime of any kind (assault, rape, murder, robbery).

Anonymous 28666

Yeah, like I said I don't really agree with myself too much anymore and your point here is one I tell myself when I get too crazy.
Although I think it's worth noting male sexuality is generally violent and dominating regardless, most men like choking and smacking if what I'm getting from porn is correct. As a woman not into that it deeply upsets and angers me that I'll never find a man who isn't like this.


ngl myself as a man is my ideal, different personality though. More submissive and less athletic.
But I'm more mentalcel than true femcel.
Also RIP manon.

Anonymous 28668

I assumed if you're familiar with incelshit you'd know, but it's someone too mentally ill/socially inept to find a partner even (especially) if average or good looking.
And men aren't allowed, mods will probably ban you whenever they're online.

Anonymous 28671

>never seen a place where the administration itself discriminates based on gender
Wizchan is similar iirc.

If you want to connect with women irl it's probably best to meet them either in clubs (not night clubs, but activity centered groups) or volunteering. From what I can tell from other women's accounts most generally dislike cold approaches from strangers. And in my experience even men can get uncomfortable from randoms hitting them up in broad daylight lmao.
There is also no weird psycho bullshit about "if you befriend her first she'll never see you romantically!!! ooo mysterious wimmins!" either, women get crushes on male friends all the time. I have a male friend who often has his female friends confessing to him and he's not exactly chad either, just funny and kind.

Good luck.

Anonymous 28673

My face/jaw shape is so manly that I look like a man with a wig. I was born a woman, but there are transgender people who look more like women than I do. Fuck it, I've met straight-up men who have a more feminine facial structure than I do ;_;

Used to have a mustache/major peach fuzz too, but I wax that shit religiously. Fuck PCOS.

What can I do about my manly face? Learn to contour better? I hate myself so much.

Anonymous 28674

>most men like choking and smacking
My boyfriend isn't like this at all. A lot of cuddling, caressing, and groping but no smacking and definitely no choking. He DOES like to be in control though (this doesn't just mean on top, it's more about initiating and setting the pace). Is this really that rare? It doesn't feel unnatural… but this is my first boyfriend to ever get those intimate with (about 1 year).

And yes I realize I am unworthy of posting in the femcel thread so no more boyfriend talk, honest.

Anonymous 28678

Most perpetrators of violent crime are men.
But also most victims of violent crime are also men.

Anonymous 28679

>most men like choking and smacking if what I'm getting from porn is correct
Jesus anon…

Anonymous 28681

Just move to germany, problem solved

Anonymous 28684

You're quite lucky then, I've read many accounts online of women whose boyfriends just suddenly go for it without consent.

Are you denying this? I've been noporn for a year and a half but I doubt it's become super gentle in that time frame judging by some ads I get glances of on 4chins.
Mainstream porn is made to cater to men so it will feature what men enjoy, pretty simple.

Anonymous 28710

>Does 88 percent of porn really show violence against women? No way. But don’t take my word for it. Just browse any of the sampler sites that aggregate porn clips from thousands of sources (cliti.com is one example). The vast majority of porn videos, both professional and amateur, depict generally happy—or at least not visibly unhappy—people engaged in nonviolent, totally consensual sex.

If you go out looking for choking videos you will find them, but they aren't the majority.

Anonymous 28711

Anon, it's not just choking but roughness in general. This article even says that studies define it differently, one said hard BDSM isn't violent since it's consensual.
Slapping, hair pulling, and facefucking are "violent" to me. Shit would hurt and it would piss me off to have it done to me as a dominant woman. Most porn features that, I did just as your article said and hit up pornhub and most of the front page videos feature at least one.
And I've never been into looking up these things specifically, even when at peak porn consumption. Teen me just wanted to see some ladies with big tiddies feel good, I'm not a sadist when it comes to women. I love women.

So I meant male sexuality is inherently rough, does that sound better? Clearly I struggle with precise language what with my earlier mix up as well.

And no, I'm not against people engaging in this. Go off and let your boyfriend give you bruises if it gets you going. I just hate that almost no men are submissive and I'm bitter about it.

Anonymous 28712

>most porn features that
Yes, and most action movies feature murder. How much murder did you see in real life?
Jesus anon, why does it even need to be explained that you can't judge what real world sex is from porn? It's like you're 9.

Anonymous 28713

>it's like you're 9
I'm not rarted I just have no social skills.
But I feel like this one isn't even on me. Jerking off to something but not wanting it in real life (if there are no legal or moral consequences) is illogical. It really makes no sense. On some level the subject must be arousing, surely, or else it wouldn't be sought out.

I'm not even saying all men are rapists anon. Just that they lean dominant. Feel free to prove to me that most men are in fact submissive, it would make my night!

Anonymous 28714

Anon porn isn't an accurate representation of reality, you know that. It might get some boys to attempt it but majority of men aren't into it. I had pretty sexual convos with men irl, on 4chan often (where you could say people are being more truthful when it comes to these things) and with my boyfriend about this type of thing. Most of them feel super uncomfortable choking and slapping and most of them actually express this observation how their gfs ask for such things and they have troubles performing it.
The most dominance an average guy will show you is maybe grabbing your waist tightly while slamming you from behind but not much else. Most really submissive girls need to go through a lot of talking and preparing with their bfs do get them to do such things.

Anonymous 28716

>almost no men are submissive
You best be joking.>>28711

Anonymous 28718

Once again anon, you seem to be falsely equating what people might want to see in fantasy and what they want to do in reality.
Believe it or not, most men aren't actually retards and/or sadists. They understand that most likely their partners don't like getting slapped/choked. And they won't try doing it. And if they try doing it and get a negative response they will not try doing it again.
I would even argue that most men don't even like the idea of slapping/choking their partners and don't like seeing depictions of it in porn.

>Feel free to prove to me that most men are in fact submissive, it would make my night!

I will not try doing that because I believe it is not true. But again, for some reason you seem to believe that dominating = inflicting discomfort or pain. It's wrong. Like another anon above said:
>He DOES like to be in control though (this doesn't just mean on top, it's more about initiating and setting the pace).

Anonymous 28719

Okay I wrote a big wall of text reply to all of you twice now and deleted it both times because it turned rambling.

Basically my thoughts are that at least partially it's learned behavior… guys think they have to be macho and commanding in everything, especially the bedroom. But that shouldn't depress you because if it's cultural that means you can change it. Just find someone who loves you enough to be openminded…

Anonymous 28720

>guys think they have to be macho and commanding in everything, especially the bedroom

I'm sorry anon, but that's also wrong (as long as by "commanding" you mean "being a tyrant").

Anonymous 28727


Anecdotal vs. anecdotal, I see the opposite. Many of my male friends (I only have male friends…somehow) are into shit like that (I only know since we all grew up together as neckbeards/legbeards and talk about our degeneracy openly) and I see many men on 4chinz who like it and more violent things as well. That said 4chan has been instrumental in giving me tiny hope about submissive men so…eh.

>if they try doing it and get a negative response they will not try doing it again
And then they'll get bitter that I won't bend to their will sexually, shit talk me to their friends, then cheat with half the town and leave me. 10/10 look forward to that.

Nothing any of you will say can convince me that the majority of men do not enjoy rough sex at least half of the time. It saddens me that you're all so optimistic about men since I miss having that opinion myself but it's been tainted by reading what many actually think and stories about shit they've pulled on perfectly good women. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to chance upon a man who doesn't secretly hate or want to harm me but I fucking doubt it.

I do have this study (done in my country, too) here with about 59.6% of men being into domination, which I'm sure you'll all refute again with "it's fantasy and also define domination??"
But I can't find anything that would prove "majority of men actually don't enjoy being rough with women even a lil irl" so neither side has solid evidence I guess. Shrug.
(as a side note, it did shock me that almost 90% of these men like a romantic connection during sex. A pleasant surprise)

>Just find someone who loves you enough to be openminded…
>Just find someone who loves you
Impossible, I'm not loveable in the least. I used to think men were just incapable of love but I think I'm the actual issue since it seems some men do respect their partners, and obviously rough sex is enjoyable for many women as well so it's still loving.
This is why I'm so sure if I wasn't 100% perfect to a guy he'd cheat and shit as I described, I just lack that extra "loveable" ingredient. No charisma, I guess.

Anonymous 28728

Which traits make you unlovable?

Anonymous 28729

I wish I knew for sure.
I've never been rejected right off the bat (just after they talk to me) and have been called cute by men, so it's not looks. And I'm still a virgin (of course) so it's not me being too "used up" for romance.
I don't voice my femcel bitterness irl and am nice to men, but I fumble socially and am too blunt sometimes. I'm introverted, don't party or drink. But I have hobbies.
I have no idea what it is specifically, it's so hard. Like I said it's just a certain "charisma." There's something in other women, not exactly fragility, but it sparks affection and I lack that.

Anonymous 28730

>And then they'll get bitter that I won't bend to their will sexually, shit talk me to their friends, then cheat with half the town and leave me. 10/10 look forward to that.

Yeah 100% plausible scenario. All men are scum smh.

>It saddens me that you're all so optimistic about men since I miss having that opinion myself but it's been tainted by reading what many actually think and stories about shit they've pulled on perfectly good women

Availability bias. You're a big girl now anon, when are you finally gonna realize that what you see on the internet =/= real life?

> it did shock me that almost 90% of these men like a romantic connection during sex. A pleasant surprise

Probably a lie though. Everyone knows men can only feel anger, lust, and greed.

Anonymous 28733

>Anecdotal vs. anecdotal, I see the opposite
Great, now you see there are different kinds of men all over the world. Almost as if they're not a hivemind or something. Weird if you ask me! lol!

Anonymous 28734

Whats the difference between an incel and a femcel

Anonymous 28736

>53.3% - be dominated
Why don't you just find one of these more than half of men who want to be subs or switches?

It does seem like it goes both ways you know… I don't think you're wrong at all, probably 3/5 men are either doms or switches, while around 1/2 of men are subs or switches (this might suggest: 40% subs, 10% switches, 50% doms). So there are plenty of non-rough fish in the sea if you will.

Anonymous 28738

Nothing, femcel is just a female incel

Anonymous 28739

The trait where she thinks every men is out to ruin her life

Anonymous 28745


I think you’re not drawing totally wrong conclusions from this data about the tendencies of men and what they imply for sex and romance.

Are you open to an alternative perspective or are you hard-set in what you believe?

Anonymous 28753

Femcel is someone who can't find a relationship. Incel is someone who can't find sex (and relationships, depending on the guy).

That's why femcels get angry or frustrated when told to use Tinder for supposedly easy sex. Because that's not exactly what most of them look for.

Anonymous 28758

And you don't get aproached by any guy in those hobbies? Have you tried asking for a female friend of yours help with that? I know it sound humiliating to ask friends to set you up or to ask their opinion on you but that might help. If you want help of course

I got that if you look at bad cases you can make the generalization. Of course that beign afraid that the guy you date/marry is going to hurt you some way is a constant that leaves some people with a step back about relationships.

Anonymous 28772


It's funny, this is an excerpt from the same article that the male incels gripe about all the time. It was some okCupid study that measured differences between the sexes on appearance and messaging rates.

The guys complain about the dotted line. They rank girls pretty fairly in appearance, and then just sperg out when it comes to approaching women.

Women, by contrast, rate 80% of men as below average (this is where all the complaints come from), but then behave more than fairly in our approaches. We basically follow the line we laid down.

I guess if there are two things to take from this, one would be that guys might find you more attractive than you think, and the other would be a lesson in propaganda. Same article used by men to bash women and by women to bash men.

Anonymous 28786

This is (mostly) incorrect. Refer to >>28753.

Anonymous 28811

You're boolying me but I deserve it.
Or you could just be incredibly lucky and surrounded by the minority of nice men, which is what my paranoid-and-not-wanting-to-take-personal-responsibility-for-my-failures brain is most comfortable with.
>Are you open to an alternative perspective or are you hard-set in what you believe?
Logically I am, but otherwise it's just preferable to continue fearing and hating men so I can easily snip them out of my life, objectify them, and never properly have compassion for them so that if I do get in a relationship with one I won't get too attached.
But yes.
My hobbies are actually solo, so no I haven't.
>a female friend of yours
God I wish I had one, but I scare women even more than men. A girl at uni last semester tried talking to me but gave up after 1 minute of conversation and I have no idea why. She wasn't even a normie or anything and I wasn't cruel, idgi. I only have online female friends and many are gay.

Your reply to that anon was just how I feel though. I'm extreme about it, but what stops me from overcoming it is that the threat is real on some level. Similarly I still struggle with hypochondria some days since it is indeed a possibility that I could just get botulism someday from a tuna sandwich.
You're right anon. You really are.

What's come out of this episode here is that I realize men are not the problem and it is in fact me. Hopefully this is progress of some sort.

Anonymous 28840

I take this back, another anon on here has proven all men want to rape 14-year-olds. I'm done with them.

Anonymous 29066

I have a birth defect that I know moids wouldn't tolerate, though I'm thinking maybe a woman or perhaps even asexual moid might be able to look past it

Anonymous 29067

what is it tho?

Anonymous 29085


Yeah, curious too as someone who also has a birth defect (check the virgin thread where I talked about it, too lazy to link).

Anonymous 29122

It's a penis isn't it?

You have a penis.

Anonymous 29127

It wouldn't be much of an issue, since a lot of men like that.

Anonymous 29154

Unable to get pregnant?
That's a red line for a lot of men.

Anonymous 29200

I would imagine there are tons of guys in this modern world that would love a "baby risk free" wife.

Anonymous 29201

I would hate to think that the driving reason for someones attraction to me is the fact that I can't get pregnant. Some proper sicko shit.

Anonymous 29216

It's a clown world sister

Just accept a lot of things people are attracted to are entirely out of their hands. It's a PROVEN fact that your race and bone structure matter in terms of replies on dating sites and I am sure that translates to in-person asking out as well (but much harder to study). For some reason society just says it's "okay to have a 'thing' for blondes" or short girls, or girls with hazel eyes, or girls with stupid fat cow tits.

29% of men surveyed by National Survey of Family Growth said they would be "not at all bothered" if they never had a child and 48% said they would be "upset" or "very upset" if they got a woman pregnant. (for both, responses of 15-44 year olds with no children)

1. Women are selected for things out of their control frequently**
2. A notable portion of men desire no children

**Why yes, this does suck. And it's just the way things are.

Anonymous 29226

>stupid fat cow tits
You know what people think of you when you describe big boobs that way, do you?

Anonymous 29231

I don't care what you think I look like. We can all agree (I hope) though that men fetishize ridiculous, debilitating chests. It's practically modern foot binding, and yet average sizes are going up. Breast implants should be illegal.

And anyway this proves my point more because that kind of thing is out of your control (because, of course, moids want you to both have no fat but also chest fat, an impossibility).

Anonymous 29233

You know, a lot of women look like that naturally and I'm not sure how you think you're on some higher ground while comparing women to stupid cows for the way they look.

Anonymous 29236

>1. Women are selected for things out of their control frequently**

Everyone is selected for the things out of their control all the time. Not just looks. And not just in romantic settings.

Anonymous 29520

Does anyone not know why they can't get a boyfriend? What's a good way to find out the reason if you're clueless about it yourself?

Anonymous 29521

Want my crack theory?
I honestly think it’s just a lack of opportunity or bad luck most of the time. I know way too many girls who are mean/fat/not pretty at all who can find a bf so I don’t think it’s any one factor. Obviously an attractive Stacy will get more opportunities than some ugly femanon, but appearance cannot be the only factor for getting bf: there’s way too many non-examples of this occurring
I postulate that most femcels are just women socially awkward who’ve been getting bad rolls when it comes to finding a bf. I’d say the same for men, but they seem to collapse into a pool of misogyny and self-loathing that ends up knee-capping them to the point that they refuse opportunities because they’re afraid of getting hurt.
I wish there was something that could “fix” lifelong involuntary femcelibacy (ex. looksmaxing, LARPing traditional beliefs, aggressively chasing submissive men, etc) but getting a bf may just come down to coincidences.
May the odds ever be in our favor

Anonymous 29526

Some combination of not being attractive, not interacting with people, and having standards that are higher than you can actually manage.

Anonymous 29539

>aggressively chasing submissive men

Easy as fuck, if you're willing to settle for a sub you'll be drowning in dick.

Anonymous 29540

I think the idea taking a man's virginity is pretty hot. I wish I was more of a dom. I would fuck a incel of he wasn't gross lol but that still sounds dangerous. I'm too much a coward to meet anyone off the internet.

Anonymous 29549

Plenty of incels are clean and harmless tbh.

Anonymous 29555

t. incel

Anonymous 29611

Honestly, a lot of incels are hot, or at least average, but they have personalities or ideology that comes from the deepest pits of Hades. I love sub guys too, and have always fantasized about losing my virginity together with one. I got meme'd into thinking they just needed an understanding girl. They're alone for a reason. I've tried to get to know several over the years. AVOID. You'll end up like that poor girl Biancca. Most are a few steps away from either killing themselves, or others.

Anonymous 29614


How the hell am I supposed to meet guys if bars and partys arn't my thing? Are dating apps the only real option?

Anonymous 29621

Meet them through common hobbies: Join sports groups, meet-ups for anime fans or language learners, tabletop gaming, other nerdy hobbies.
I think dating apps are too meh if you're a femcel and it's better to build romantic relationships based on friendships, commonalities etc.

Anonymous 29622

good advice but the problem with romantic relationships based on friendships is you could just ruin your friendship like that, and lose him

Anonymous 29623

What you've said is 100% true, but it's either take that risk or accept another, more depressing, risk which is DYING ALONE! Maybe.

I've had a couple of friendships that I was too afraid to ruin and, frankly, it wasn't worth it. It's not like you can keep being pals when you're constantly wondering if they feel the same way anyway.

Anonymous 29624

> it wasn't worth it. It's not like you can keep being pals when you're constantly wondering if they feel the same way anyway
you're right but you can just wait till your feelings will calm down you know?

Anonymous 29659

just b urself

Anonymous 29675

This. I've spoken to them and been in their spaces. Most of them are not ugly and they genuinely just have fucked up personalities and are big misogynists. Many of them just want somebody to abuse. Any person who thinks it'd be cute to date an incel is incredibly naive, just don't do it and stick to normies. There's a reason they're shunned.

Anonymous 29759

Just take a shower, get a haircut, be yourself, walk right up to a boy, look him right in the eye, give him a firm handshake, and ask him to be your boyfriend.

Works every time.

Anonymous 29760


>his reaction

Anonymous 29761

Let's not lie to each other, lots of incels are legit butt-ugly as well

Anonymous 29777


>"Your resume seems a bit blank, Anon, do you have any previous bf experience?"

Anonymous 29782

I have an ugly face. I don't really have any standards (I just don't want someone who is over 40), so I guess it's just about my face. I will have plastic surgery soon though, so I am very hopeful I will be maybe able to find a bf in the future!

Anonymous 29786

>"Oh, so you don't have any previous bf experience? Excellent! That puts you in a very good position for promotion to fiance in the next year!"

Anonymous 29793

Do you have BPD?

Anonymous 29859


True, but I've seen gorgeous girls with butt-ugly guys, pic related. Personality accounts for a lot, but incels refuse to acknowledge this. A pretty face can get you laid to a certain kind of person, but that's it. However, that's probably what a lot of incels want; they want to be sexually desirable to everyone so they can feel they have their pick at anything in life (control) because they usually have NPD.


Anonymous 29860

is that the same person???

Anonymous 29862


Fate has a particular way of influencing the paths of mortals.

Not all things are as they appear to the eyes.

Anonymous 29866

You mean money or special brownie points.

Anonymous 29867

I know several women with men who make little to nothing financially compared to them. There's a woman that my dad works for whose husband stays at home. He retired from contracting, and always made half of what she did. She's well off enough to retire as well, but choses to continue working. None of these men are particularly attractive; my mother even goes so far as to call them ugly, although I just find them to be average.

Anonymous 29868

>this is what incels believe

Anonymous 29871


>special brownie points
you mean personality?

Memes aside, what would "special brownie points" be if it isn't some sort of inborn personality trait? Methinks you just don't know what normal, well-adjusted individuals look for in a sexual partner.

Anonymous 29878

I think what other anon means by "brownie points" is a social pat on the back for dating someone that has a severe disability because it makes them seem more "diverse and inclusive."

Anonymous 29888

> incels refuse to acknowledge this
It does not help either that many incels act borderline bipolar and spend too much time on their boards and subreddit and as we know such situations tend to turn into circlejerks where everyone drags each other down.
With that being said
Let's not overplay this shit either. Most men and women would rather go for a good-looking person with a normal personality, not boring nor super-interesting, rather than an hideously ugly individual whose personality 100% matched their own, let's not kid ourselves. In all of my life I have seen only 2, max 3, couples where one of the partners was really good-looking and the other butt-ugly and that I was certain were not together just because of economic/social reasons. And of course not to mention that ugly people tend to be bullied and looked down more which leads to lower self-esteem translating in more remissive/shy personalities etc. turning the thing into a vicious circle.

Anonymous 29897

Are those women gorgeous? Because I'm talking about the "gorgeous women with butt ugly guys" that you mentioned.


Anonymous 29900

>Most men and women would rather go for a good-looking person
True, and confirmed in The Science of Happily Ever After. To quote, "People overwhelmingly invest in looks even though it is demonstrably the worst metric by which to select a relationship"

Anonymous 29982

>all those e-girls catfishing lonely guys and making them scared to ever trust and talk to girls online again
>every day it's getting harder to find someone and I'm not getting any younger

Anonymous 29983

If you smell something rotten wherever you go, them maybe you're the one who's rotten. I've talked to many of those guys as well and most of them are lonely from cripplingly bad self-esteem. Fearmongering like in your post is not going to help anyone redeem their self-esteem. Do you really think they will get a better hold of their lives if people keep assuming the worst of them and treating them like subhumans?

Anonymous 29987

yes I agree anon, men are so feeble minded they're unable to resist their biological urges.

Anonymous 29988

>talked to many of those guys as well
How do you explain all those hateful and female-hating posts from self-proclaimed incels? Where do you get to know nice incels? Or do the nice ones not label themselves as such?
I've never talked to any of them before but it's not hard to see why they've got such a bad reputation on the internet. (NTA obviously.)

Anonymous 29992

Why should any one care about incels feelings.

Anonymous 30031

I don't know of many self-proclaimed incels. Ever since the term got picked up by the media especially, it's mostly used as an insult against loser nerd men in general.
It's the same thing as 'fedora'. Most nerd men who wear fedoras are just weirdos, but internet culture has invented this stereotype that they're all misogynists. It's a way of insulting people for conventional shitty reasons, and passing it off as a moral thing to do. 'We're not making fun of them because they're virgins, we're making fun of them because they're misogynists.' When in reality a lot of them aren't misogynists and people are just making fun of them for being virgins.

Anonymous 30053

>When in reality a lot of them aren't misogynists and people are just making fun of them for being virgins.

It didn't started as that i feel, now the incel forums are definitely mosoginists, kinda like them internalizing the label and becoming their own stereotype.

I remember browsing wizardchan for a while and most of the discussion had nothing to do with hating women and all to do with depression, mental illness, trauma, loneliness, poverty. The only mentions of incels were derogatory, i don't think all virgins really like to be associated with the crab mentality attached to the incel label, some are just the runts of the litter looking to vent while they rot alone and die not bothering anyone.

I think cruelty is not really the way to go, is a bigger issue than just a few edgelords, its not even about men only because i feel alienated and offended by a lot of those memes too. Its like that time Hillary called a bunch of disenfranchized working class people "deplorables" for not supporting her and the leftist coastal elites still make mean spirited cartoons of everyone who doesn't agree with hem, only to be surprised later on that those people are not only not jumping the fence but radicalized against them even harder than before. In my country the leftists call anyone who isn't a socialist a "fachopobre", literally, "a fascist poor fag". Yeah guys, because shaming people based on their income is the progressive way to go, all leftist media is inherently like this, no matter were you go.

Anonymous 30057

>I don't know of many self-proclaimed incels.
This explains the difference in opinion between you and >>29611.

I don't want to name them but there are several incel forums on the internet where self-proclaimed incels gather which I looked up out of curiosity and they're filled with a lot of misogynistic and generally hateful (against all people) stuff. You think internet culture has invented the stereotype but if you knew about those forums, I don't think you'd say that.

Men who are foreveralones with low self-confidence, depression, social anxiety etc. are a completely different "species" from actual incels.

Anonymous 30063

the vast majority of men will go their entire life without committing a violent crime, statistically. So idk

Anonymous 30083

>Men who are foreveralones with low self-confidence, depression, social anxiety etc. are a completely different "species" from actual incels.
In a technical sense that may be true, but that distinction isn't made clear by most people. Lots of people will dump on losers in general, and then when called out for it, they'll say 'no I was only talking about incels'.

Of course there are men who fit the worst version of that stereotype, but if you say things like 'They're alone for a reason', you're demonstrating a more general attitude. You're sort of saying 'Well sure, I never heard him say anything misogynistic, but where there's smoke there's fire.'
And I think that drives a lot of men to these sorts of communities for lack of anywhere else to go, and since those communities are extremely hostile to nonconformity, people who go there are forced to adopt the language and thinking to fit in.

I think 'real' incels, who fit the Elliot Rodger sort of mold are not very common at all. I think the majority of them are just outcasts who are attempting to establish an identity as outcasts, for lack of any other social role available to them. They really don't want to be losers, but if they have to be a loser, they'd rather be seen as a monster than a 'cuck'. Their problem isn't a lack of sex or romance as much as it is a lack of purpose in life, and nobody these days seems to have an answer for what a man's purpose in life should be other than to get rich and get laid.

Anonymous 30087

>all leftist media is inherently like this
Same in Italy. They think that all discrimination is bad except classism when they do it.

Anonymous 30315

>How do you explain all those hateful and female-hating posts from self-proclaimed incels?
What is there to explain? Does it really surprise you that there are incredibly bitter and hate filled individuals in this world? Look at this thread, not everyone is a good apple here either.
>Where do you get to know nice incels? Or do the nice ones not label themselves as such?
Literally everywhere. Safest bet is gaming forums, discord servers, hobby groups, and generally in the more stereotypically nerdy areas of interest because that's what I'm into. Lonely guys are everywhere and you might not even realize it if they don't talk about their loneliness. Men I know don't talk about their issues publicly due to fear of getting ridiculed and bullied. Looking at this thread I start to grasp a deeper understanding of why they might feel that way. The thing is that if you keep treating every down on his luck lonely guy like a piece of shit or assuming the worst, they will start to feel like pieces of shit and assume the worst on themselves. Why would anyone treat you with respect if you treat them rotten before even getting to know them?
>it's not hard to see why they've got such a bad reputation on the internet
It is obvious that some of them are lost causes and I wouldn't recommend talking to obvious murderous maniacs from any colored pill communities like I wouldn't recommend hugging a bee hive, but it would be a horrible injustice to lump every guy in the same category for sharing common troubles in socializing and forming relationships. My advice is to avoid hate communities in general. Spotting a hate community should be quite easy if you have eyes. Liberal use of slurs and blaming for individual groups for personal problems are the most telling signs that it's a community you shouldn't be associating with.

>Why should any one care about incels feelings.
Why should incels care about your feelings either? I'm not defending pieces of shit here, I'm defending those lonely guys who wrongfully get smeared with the incel label by hateful assholes who want to bully others and be politically correct at the same time. Not too many years ago the same genuinely sweet lonely but socially awkward guys were being called autists and nerds, but those are not politically correct terms anymore and would make anyone using them look like an asshole. It is grossly wrong to tack any lonely man as an incel when the man in question might not even know what an incel is. Especially because the label incel implies violence and other sick actions.

Anonymous 30316

>treat them rotten before even getting to know them?
But we do already know them. We know they're incels.

Anonymous 30318

>My advice is to avoid hate communities in general.
So… incel communities on Reddit and the like.

>It is grossly wrong to tack any lonely man as an incel

I agree.

Anonymous 30339


being loved can fix this within a heartbeat. no matter how bitter and twisted you are from years of suffering and loneliness it will make you as pure and happy as you were in your childhood.

Anonymous 30354


>join dating site
>invite one guy to movie
>movie is opening weekend so i decide to reserve both our tickets ahead of time to make sure we have seats
>he thanks me for paying for his ticket
>we watch the movie and hang out for a little bit
>"see ya"
>never texts again

>invite other guy out for coffee

>have fairly nice conversation
>"we should do this again sometime, bye now"
>radio silence until a week later he texts and says "i'll have to hold off on any romantic intentions for now"

if i suck dick on the first date, i'm a slut, if i don't do anything, i'm invisible.

i only have about 5 or 6 good fertile years left. i don't really know what the future looks like for me. probably just working and continuing to live with my parents.

Anonymous 30366

aww anon. at least you're trying and going on dates. sorry these guys have ghosted you but try not to be too put off.

i don't think you have to suck dick on a first date or do nothing. could you try a hug/little kiss instead? enough to show him you'd like to see him again. sorry Idk why I'm trying to give advice cause I've not been on a date in years, just wanted to say you're not alone

Anonymous 30392

This is me. Except I'm also stuck in the fantasy "waiting for the one" phase, but that's my mentality. I will die a virgin unless I can marry him, I don't give a fuck.

Anonymous 30393

Anonymous 30408


I knew it. I knew it.

Anonymous 30424

you go anon, i admire your resolve and am rooting for you.

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