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>>12636
The thing is, men are the ones who penetrate. This imo is what kinda ruins the dynamic and leads men into thinking women gotta submit.

>>12637
And to answer the question, I think it's mainly due to the smaller size of women that has made men comfortable enough to treat us like shit.

>>12636
What do you mean by the "physical act" of submission?

>>12639
Submissive sex

>>12640
Most people don't have actual submissive sex on purpose. D/s relationships with full awareness of the nature of the relationship are not very common.
Yet we can say that most women play a submissive role in relationships and are constantly coerced to sex. (I'll feel bad if I‌ say no to my bf, I'm afraid to correct him so he makes me cum, etc) Most of the time not even men are fully aware they are coercing their partner, they are just spoiled, poorly raised, and expect everyone to cater to them.
In this case, it is not submissive sex that results in oppression, but rather gaslighting, negging, and oppression which primes women for "natural" submissiveness.

People who partake in Dom/sub relationships, and women who have submissive sex willingly, are fully aware of what they are doing, or I at least hope they do. Being submissive with an actual partner as a woman doesn't "contribute" to society or harm other women, because unlike women who are unaware of their submission, submissive women know about relationship dynamics. There is a certain kind of dominance they expect from their partner. They have boundaries. They can tell the difference between a dominant man and a pampered one, so when the relationship doesn't serve them, they just dump the guy. They know that being submissive doesn't necessarily mean servitude.

Women who are primed into submissiveness by society have no boundaries. They think that they have to be the perfect, hairless, anorexic doll to please a man, any man. They have no confidence and they are afraid of disappointing their partner, so they will let the man do anything regardless of how uncomfortable they are, because "If I‌ say no, I'm not the perfect doll, he'll hate me," etc. Moreover women who are primed by society think that they need to "put out" and have sex with a man they don't fully trust or like, because otherwise they'll be called a prude, and that's bad.

If you call yourself a submissive but feel like what I said describes you, you're not submissive. You are not ready for this fetish, and it may not even be for you at all. Submissive sex is consent based while oppressive sex is not.

>>12637
I‌ don't think sex acts are inherently submissive or dominant. It's really hard to imagine a world where being "penetrated" doesn't exclusively make you submissive, but with experience I've learned that dominance/submission is not about the act but rather the attitude. A man can perform oral submissively if he acts meek, looks up at you like a little puppy, whimpers throughout, and generally acts as if he lives to serve you. A man can perform oral dominantly if he makes you flustered first, acts confident, pins you down, gets up and praises you for coming for him after. Dominance and submission is greatly psychological (as is most of sex) and setting the mood with the right attitudes is much more important.

Being the "penetrator" isn't what makes you think that you're dominant. It's oppressive society which primes us for the idea, because men rule the world, men are the ones who penetrate. For misogynists it's convenient that most women are primed into thinking sex naturally involves them being submissive, because most sex involves PIV. If genitals were swapped but women were still smaller and weaker than men, I'm sure being penetrated wouldn't be considered "submissive" by men's society.

>>12641
You're wasting your time.

>>12641
that's why strap-ons / chastity cages exist

>>12641
Your insightful and and well written responses will probably go to waste here. You are arguing against an ingrained ideological perspective.

riding>>>>> missionary

>>12645
not if you have back problems…

>>12646
I forgot

>>12641
this is a great response, well worded and thought out. not a waste.

>>12643
>strap-ons / chastity cages
extremely disgusting

>>12644
>>12642
Thank you anons both for your concern, I appreciate it. Still, I love CC and kept visiting because people do shitpost less on this board, and even though CC has changed a bit over the years, I hope we can still make a few insightful posts here and there.

>>12638
It's so fucked up that men literally bred us like this. Think about it, childbirth is incredibly painful, dangerous, and risky. Any cave women strong and fast enough to fight off the rape ape that is a man would be less likely to die, but also less likely to reproduce. So the women who were small and weak enough to be raped reproduced more compared to the strong women. Do this for fifty thousand years and you get the difference in size and submissiveness between men and women.

Jesus christ yes!! I've been saying this for ages actually. It's backwards if male obsession with power is the only thing playing into it. I think powerplay should be split down the middle. Men who don't know how to play a diverse role sexually are pigheaded. Also it's subconcious manipulation tactics. Everything men do is some kind of power dynamic manipulation whether it's refusing to look good or contribute equally.

>>12651
death in childbirth is actually not that common under natural conditions with a midwife. it became common when doctors replaced midwives, because doctors of the time were going around performing autopsies and touching corpses and then attending birthing mothers immediately afterwards.
the real reason men are big is because smaller men were bullied by bigger ones until they died out, while women remained normal-sized.

>>12653
>smaller men were bullied by bigger ones until they died out, while women remained normal-sized.
so in other words the difference is that bullied women reproduce, while bullied men do not.

>>12654
Yes. Bullied men have very little chance of attracting a mate

>>12654
Sex dimorphism is social conditioning and sex forced onto women. Men want to be bigger so they can have more power over sex, more power in general. it has nothing to do with bullying. Roflhow many deaths by bullying do we have recorded? Where are the studies and evidence showing "small men were just killed off this way" lol this is so strange and bizarre.

women also stick to bigger men for protection,studies have shown that when women are in a stressful environment with a hostile person, their first instinct is to appease.

appeasement is a social strategy to calm a hostile person often via sex or feeding them. once satieted the male often adopts the female under his umbrella of protection. submission is a survival tactic at heart.

most violence that men commit are towards other men.

Um, no? How do you explain why there are Type A, girlboss women who are still complete subs then? Stupid thread. It just so happens that what people are into in bed has more often than not little bearing into what people are like outside of it.

>>12658
"Power couple" is a cuckquean fantasy which sometimes turns into a cuckquean reality, ref. Hillary Clinton. Type A girlbossing is ultimately part of the submission complex. I do not believe any examples of type A girlbosses who are dominant in bed can be found, since it is ultimately about getting used by a higher up male by offering your productivity, power, prestige etc. in order to help him secure younger and or more conventionally attractive women in exchange.

>>12659
Ugh God are you kept and deluded by men this well? Does it make you feel more comfortable to imagine this ? Just because you've never masturbated or explored your sexuality doesn't mean other women haven't. Give me a break. There is a thing called being a switch and a female top. They don't come up with these phrases and expressions to piss you off which you clearly are…psyopping about the limits of female sexuality and all.

>>12658
Sure they exist and there's nothing wrong with that, but it is psychologically limiting. I would know I used to kind of be this way. It has huge repercussions in every area of your life because you're subconsciously beholden to femininity in a limiting way.

>>261526
>it makes women physically bow down to men
what about 69?

>>261526
>>261525
>>261527
Obvious scrotes, do not respond.

>>12662
They're crying internally because they can't escape the inevitable slow loss of social/economic/sex dominence men have been sliding into for years. So they come here to psyop and bitch.

>>12664
Interesting position.
If sex without male dominance were possible, achievable, and significant, there would be no reason to "come here and bitch."
The reason the loss of sex dominance is important is because it is impossible to have heterosexual sex without male sexual dominance, the two are inextricably linked forever.
Therefore the accusation you are leveling is at least in part that your adversary is correct.
But at some point holding a correct position becomes identified with being male.
Even though the posts you are most antagonistic towards are ones describing the physical pain males inflict on women for the sake of male orgasm.
Under no other circumstance is reticence or loathing of women's suffering and disdain for male orgasm considered a male quality.
This is only taken as indicator of maleness when it involves the consideration of negative effects of heterosexual intercourse itself.
This is for some reason not limited to cc; when Andrea Dworkin wrote the definitive book on malevolent dominance in intercourse, titled "Intercourse," she too was accused of having an over-masculine, hypermasculized character.

I miss the days when dominance and submission were concepts only weirdo fetishists talked about. Sex is just sex. Some of you read into things too much.