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There are two possible motivations in most things. Reward, and punishment. Both have costs for anyone who attempts to offer them to others; a punishment carries a social cost for the punisher just as certainly as a reward carries a price for the donor. Hangmen and headsmen used to have their own traceable bloodlines, like a form of negative nobility, from the stigma.

The reward for having sex with a lot of women is having sex with a lot of women. The punishment for having sex with a lot of women is that other men see him as a sexual threat. The trouble is that acting upon that social threat is itself a sign that a given man feels particularly sexually threatened; it is then the man who is insecure and threatened by another's success who loses social and sexual and financial opportunities in the future.

The reward for not having sex with enough women is nonthreatening entrance to social spaces in which intermale sexual competition is discouraged. Such spaces are few and far between, and seem to be decreasing in number with the socialmediafication of social spaces, and this entrance is only dubiously rewarding. The punishment for not having sex with enough women is direct social exile from most male spaces in which sexual competition is part of the emotional pulse. And exile is still instinctively treated as a death sentence, even though it is no longer legally considered a form of capital punishment (which it was, legally and practically, for most of human history).

Nothing is ever going to offset the inter-male social importance of sex with women. In real life most adult male friendships are very, very shallow. And for all the talk there is of "inter-female bullying is too subtle too smart blah blah"–men are often worse with regards to that form of bullying too, it's just that it makes up a smaller percentage, not a smaller count of occurrences. The other problem being that a lot of time that "subtle" "indirect" "non-physical" interfemale bullying is blindingly obvious to everyone, your teachers did in fact know exactly what was happening and are making excuses.

This is the problem with the idea that men are even able to socially shame other men for being players. Any individual man who attempts to do that is signalling himself for social removal and this is made clear from a very early age. Which is also why it is inherently unwise to rely on men to in any way address sexual abusers who are within or atop the male hierarchy. They might frequently begrudge Donald Trump or Bill Clinton the sexual violence against women that they have both allegedly perpetrated, but living within the male power structure requires that they make the same Devil's Bargain and make the same excuses that your teacher made about certainty or fairness or visibility when Lauren elbowed you in the solar plexus every single week for seven months running.

Not that women have any fundamental power to socially shame men for having sex with lots of women either. The act in and of itself refutes the source of shaming in that case. Since it would either be "he had sex with Lauren, who used to beat you up a lot, and with Megan, and Susan, …. but not you, eh? And now you're mad at him? That it?" Or it would be "you didn't have any problem with him having sex with Lauren and Megan and Susan when he was also having sex with you, eh?" Or, "oh, I see, you suddenly became jealous when after he left you he had sex with Megan, and Susan, and Lauren, yeah jealousy's an ugly look for a woman but you've got to understand this sort of hystrionic woman display is why nobody intervened when Lauren used to beat you up."

>>14525
Damn who's this Lauren and why tf did she beat you up?

>>14526
You know that girl who's dad treated her like a princess after the divorce and whose mom used to punch her when she got drunk? The one who started to get that fucking gleam in her eye the moment she realized that she could indulge in physical violence against a smaller and weaker woman just like mom?
That's Lauren.

>>14525
Really good and detailed post that completely covers the issue. Thanks for the read!

The main problem is that lots of women look for men who have been preselected by other women. We know most moids are ugly, gross garbage, only fit to be paypigs at best, hence why lots of moids are single and sexless. But the few men that aren't trash are almost always getting attention from other women. So, if we want to stop men (the ones that actually matter) from being sluts, we have to return to shamming femsluts. Good luck with that.
>>14525
>Not that women have any fundamental power to socially shame men for having sex with lots of women either.
Yes, but we used to shame femsluts that would fuck around all the time. My grandma used to tell me stories about how a known slut was excluded from almost everything if the women in her community had anything to do with the organizing. I have no idea how this could be done today, so it seems we are locked into a race to the bottom or who can be the biggest slut.

>>14565
We need to spread memes that slut-shame men until they become mainstream

>>14567
Eh, idk about that. Every instance of slut-shaming moids, including your example, just makes them look more effeminate. Which is nice in theory, but that's how you end up with soft boy crybabies and male feminist types, which ironically are a lot more of a headache to deal with than just regular guys. Guys' feminine side is only really hot, for me at least, when it's juxtaposed by the fact that at any point he could just pick me up and rearrange my guts if he wanted to.
The few guys that are worth dating, are exactly the kind that doesn't give two shits about being "slut-shamed" and fold under peer pressure, which is what makes them hot to begin with.
Just don't date fuckboys (which really shouldn't be that difficult if you're not a turbo autist with a non-existent judge of character). I'd much rather just accept the fact that my bf fucked like 5 other women before me, than have to take care of some guy who collects funko pops unironically, and will throw a tantrum when I don't want to fuck him with a strap on while indulging his SPH fetish.

>>14569
stfu manwhore

>>14525
Nice rp-fic faggot

>>14567
Based

>>14569
>don't date fuckboys
>my bf fucked like 5 other women before me
You're contradicting yourself here lmao

>>14575
5 is pretty reasonable. If you take into account the fact that if he's good looking and charismatic, every part of society will nudge him into sleeping with as many women as possible.
If he's not a fuckboy he'll probably have 1-2 one night stands, realize that they're retarded and pointless and date like three other women before I pass him in the hallway and clumsily trip and drop my stack of papers that I was carrying, and while he generously helps me put them back together our hands touch and our eyes meet and then our souls become cosmically linked for all eternity.

>>14576
>5 is pretty reasonable
Sure, if you like being a cuck.

>>14577
Why going with virgins is a good idea? Go

>>14578
Would you rather have a brand new bottle of coke, or one that's been inside several vaginas?

>>14578
Men are not really human and do not ever really rise to the moral level of animals or living beings in general, since a puppy's existence and presence in an owner's life is more or less self-justifying. This is very difficult for highly maternal women to understand since there is a strong temptation to think of sons as though they were self-justifying like puppies. But that thought process is disordered and we even have the term "boymom" for that specific delusion.

The proper frame of reference for a male is a mechanism.
Our human relationship to mechanisms is purpose-driven.
A machine for harvesting crops is a productive farming implement and a man who harvests crops for you is likewise useful.
A malfunctioning but productive machine requires either repair or replacement.

Now, when it comes to sex. When you think of a device that is used for sex, there are two varieties. The kind that is used to facilitate sex with another person (definitionally with a woman, see above), and the kind that is used without another person. These two varieties should not be confused for each other.

Some men might be useful in facilitating sex between two women or as proxies for intimacy with another woman, but those are rare. Usually a man is the shameful secret to be hidden in the lockable drawer away from friends or partners' eyes. And with that kind of device in mind, be honest - would you rent or buy a used vibrator? One that had probably seen multiple tours through other women's butts when they were feeling experimental?

>>14583
I'm starting to understand why some of you are chronically single holy shit.

>>14586
This

>>14586
I don't want trash in my life, ever

If men who are desired by women had sex with only 1-2 women, then most women would have to settle with men no woman wants.

>>14592
Or they are men who can't trust women

>>14592
So whats the solution? Majority of women having to accept becoming femcels?

>>14596
So man whores it is then. Rewarding shitty moids shitty behavior.

>>14598
Unless you find a way to truly flip sexual drive, you're out of luck. yes there are asexuals and low drive men, just like there are asexuals and high drive women, but men on average seem to want to have sexual intercourse a lot due to social reasons, "need", and validation from peers, or simply because they like it.
Prescribing medicines which take the libido down could work, but then you'd need to give women something which makes theirs skyrocket.
Would be an interesting experiment for sure

>>14604
>virgin bf that reluctantly lets me peg and humiliate him and is easily gaslit into being a cuckold
It's not gaslighting. It's a normal biochemical process that occurs in the brain at the moment of loss of virginity in male mammals that makes an indelible sexual impression tied to the circumstances and behaviors under which they lost their virginity. Sexual cathexis in response to sexual intercourse is obviously evolutionarily favorable in species where sexual success has some element of socialization. Including extremely sexually promiscuous mammals, like rats, so it's not a matter of imprinting on a specific partner.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031938413002539

This is how male brains work because it is how their brains are supposed to work. A social environment of intense female sexual competition for one male will make the sexual stimulus depend on interfemale competition in which any one woman's victory is impossible because it is precisely her sexual insecurity that is cathexized. An environment of intense male competition in which he was a secondary or tertiary partner, however…

No gaslighting to it. Really you don't need to do much of anything at all.

>>14604
>benis
>fugg
>seggs
>:DD
tranny hands types these

>>14592
>If men who are desired by women had sex with only 1-2 women,
>then most women would have to settle with men no woman wants.
I don't get it. Are you saying that woman want virgins but can't get them, or what?

>>14608
NTA, the argument is if desirable moids would get married to their first partner then the majority left would be undesirable. Its the 80/20 fallacy.

>>14609
No, the fallacy is that it has anything to do with virginity. The statement
>if desirable moids would get married then the majority left would be undesirable
is already true. Adding "to their first partner" creates a false cause.

>>14594
>whats the solution?
Here >>14567

>>14606
>ummm akshually…
I ain't reading all that lil sis. Keep on keeping on though.
Stay sparkly girliepop.

>>14611
>Moids
>Feeling shame
They'd have to have self awareness first. Why would they feel shame anyway when they get validation from pickmes?

>>14524
Fuck you OP. I hate seeing this image any time I come across it because it reminds me of the fact I've only had one relationship, while my bf has had 3-5. Literally just ruined my appetite.

>>14619
Maybe you should hold yourself accountable for accepting being number 6.

>>14594
the return of harems. i feel like there are a lot of women out there who would be willing to share one highly desirable and wealthy man with other women than settle for the trash that the majority of moids are.

>>14524
Real answer:
Males invest less on reproduction, especially mammal ones by default because they don't have to give birth and then feed their offspring with milk. Because of that the best strategy for males is to breed with as many females as possible, because their reproductive investment is only ejaculation. Mammal males are literally wired to be whores because its the best reproductive strategy for them, and when needed to fight other males so it is them who only reproduces with those females. This is why men have always cared so much about virginity of their wives to barbaric levels but rarely applied the same standards to themselves and other men.

>>14634
>>14631
Most males should not reproduce. Their only use is to be free expendable fodder for us to use. If they don't like it, they can get a sexbot and fuck off.

>>14631
I legitimately would be OK with this but there are so few men deserving of it that it would never work.

>>14991
A virgin on an image board, outrageous!

>>14525
Moids have other downsides to being manwhores like child support, or getting STDs, and in some cases reputation damage, some just are stupid and don't care or think that through.

It depends on the social circles and context for if being a manwhore is good for them or not. For dumb or low class moids and more often younger ones, it's taken as a good and powerful thing to have more sex. (Although if a manwhore has more sex by cheating, or knowingly fucking someone with a boyfriend, it's almost never taken as a "good" thing unless they and their social group are total scum.)

At the same time, being a virgin not by choice is viewed as a bad thing, and they can be made fun of for it but they usually don't get exiled unless it's by lunk head jock types. The teasing usually only happens inside that social friend group or at highschool and maybe college. Just walking into some business or hobby 3rd space and figuring out which people are virgins or manwhores is usually nearly impossible. So no one is exiled for not having sex, there are no signs that say you must have had sex with at least one female to enter.

Almost always in higher socioeconomic classes and more often in highly intellectual fields manwhoring is almost always greatly looked down upon. Usually to the point of exiling/distancing the manwhore(s) from the community. Because
1. It's taken as a sign that the man is impulsive and takes uncalculated risks which is dangerous to be around if you wish to maintain status.
2. It can cause a lot of interpersonal drama/dynamic changes depending on who that manwhore gets in bed with.

Fun fact! The group that has the most sex are monogamous married couples. :)

We really need to shame/make fun of everyone being promiscuous to restore balance. This whole we are "empowered" by hedonism and shortsightedness is total bullshit. Super/Treatment resistant STDs are popping up faster and faster every day…

>>14631
>>14596
i feel like any man who wants multiple women/isnt monogamous is automatically not in the "highly desirable" category tbh.

what ive noticed more and more is that women prefer staying single to settling, especially younger women. which is basically the worst outcome for men because undesirable or even average men have little luck with women and desirable men (especially the non-normie kind) arent able to form harems on a whim. basically we're the ones who decide the rules as long as women refuse to settle and are content with being single. hell on the topic of harems, the average sexually active woman is wayyyy closer to having a harem lol

I think it's because they simply neither respect women as a whole nor love women individually.

I used to think that it matters who I have sex with, that it's an intimate spiritual experience to share with someone I love. But over the course of my life I've lost respect and love for men and a lot of the things they do to women have become very relatable and sensible to me in terms of how I view and treat men.

There is no individual man or male personality that I envision sharing my life with. If I am to associate with a man, 90% of what he is is just "a man". I don't love any specific Nigel and want him for who he is. I just look over men and pick the one most suitable, and if he stops being a net benefit I replace him with another.

Women are generally fine being single and will fall in love when the right person comes along. Men want women even if they don't know any. They want "a woman" first and foremost, any woman. Her individuality and personality do not matter past aspects that may affect how beneficial she is to him. Things like loyalty, conscientiousness, sex drive.

When you see dating like that, why wouldn't you go through every available and acceptable woman or man like a bag of chips? They're objects for you to extract benefits from and then throw away until you come across one with all the features you want. You could never do this if you saw the current or previous individual in rotation as a human being.

>>14567
WHY IS THAT SO RELATABLE

>>14606
And that's why it's necessary to make their first experience with sex be a pegging so they can remain nice an submissive and not be corrupted by their own urges.

>>14577
>>14579
I love these

Honestly something about the male body is just way more sexual to me than the female body. Maybe it's because I've grown up around women most of my life but I always saw curves and big boobs as just not that sexual, when I see a moid shirtless with his nipples out or a moid completely nude it just screams "erotic and sensual". Maybe it's because full nudity/stripping is seen as vulnerable and submissive so when I see moids like that that's what I associate it with since it's way more normalized for women to be all sensitive

>>15075
Hot

>>15230
Makes perfect sense.
I have younger siblings and my mum just breastfed them normally, it's pretty clear that that's the function of women's breasts. Feeding babies.
I can't really feel my nipples that well, they're kinda numb and I've heard that that's common with larger breasts.
I've watched the old Ranma 1/2 series and the female Ranma had her breasts out all the time, didn't really strike me as sexual, it's just breasts.
Meanwhile, male nipples are kinda… Like, what are they for other than to admire and tease a man with? Males are typically flat-chested and have pretty sensitive nipples in my experience.
Just seeing them turns me on a bit tbh (if the guy is hot), they're for intimate action and men know this too.
I was the kind of weirdo teen who'd aggressively flirt with men I found attractive and I'd engage them in conversations about that stuff and some went like, no, "male nipples aren't sexual" so obviously I went for it and asked to see and touch them. They got uncomfortable and said no, which, yeah that's fair, but it's like their self-awareness of what kind of actions they're comfortable with hasn't truly reached their brains. Men are generally less touchy than women in my experience, so they really notice it when you touch them. I find that exciting…
I've also watched some old UK movies with nude scenes and everyone had pubes. The men had to cover up so you couldn't see their genitals but the women? It's just hair down there, you can't see anything.
It's the same irl when I go to the sauna (it's mostly older people there), men have dicks and balls just hanging out, but women? Yeah, not much to see, even when we're laying down and relaxing in the sauna.
Also, I've seen more men having visible kind of muscles or when they're thin, their bones stick out more, like when they have long and thin fingers and such, or their shoulder blades. Broad shoulders with a narrow waist just made for grabbing, I just-
They are hott men are hot and they don't even know unless you ask and they kind of understand intuitively, but it's not something they're taught, they're so clueless about how sexy they are and they get so excited over a little praise, it's just so cute.
Most reject me though. I have a preference for shy men, so I'm probably shooting myself in the foot there but that's just my taste, there's no point in going after a man I don't feel attracted to and the ones I like are… Well, they're usually easy when it comes to hugging, letting me lean on them or move them around, general sort of teasing stuff, but it's not like I'd do anything more with someone I'm not yet officially dating.
But honestly, I'm scared of rejection so it's really hard to ask them out, even if it's a guy who lets me outright straddle him "as a joke", I still think "but what if he's just going along with it for my sake and isn't actually into me".
Despite my obvious interest I still haven't had sex, I just suck at this.
All the guys I flirt with end up with someone else…
I just want a cute boyfriend who isn't sleeping around and who enjoys and appreciates my attention…
So many boys aren't cute unfortunately, including the ones that look cute at first glance, when their personality stinks that just ruins it.
Pretty men are everywhere but when I have to narrow it down to those who aren't misogynist, will respect me and aren't looking down at me in some way and then narrow it down further to those I have a chance to hang out with and then narrow it down further to those who are not actively dating nor trying to get with someone else… Dwindling numbers.
I've also noticed that "experienced" men are immediately less attractive to me, especially if they brag about it, as if they're announcing that they'll break up quickly and then brag about their hits or whatever, it's disgusting. A guy doesn't need to be a virgin imo, but if he cannot talk respectfully about his previous relationships, he definitely won't respect me either and that's basically the opposite of what I find attractive.
I'm outgoing enough that I can create friend-groups easily enough and there'll be like 1 sweet guy I'll latch onto and 10/10 times, he'll date a woman I've introduced him to. And this happens EVERY SINGLE TIME. Ugh. I'm just a born wing-woman I suppose.
I wish them happiness, whatever.

>>15427
That was a pretty entertaining rant ngl. Also you asking men to show and let you touch their nipples until they get uncomfortable is pretty based (and hot).