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Pinkpill 2 Anonymous 73800

Old one was full >>>/b/62606

When did 4chan moids start being obsessed with tradwives? When I was younger it used to be that robots would complain about women who wanted to marry and have children because they deemed them boring prudish normies who will expect too much of their man, now every ideal gf thread I see on r9k has incels clamoring for a wife that will bear their children. I know the real reason is them unironically adopting /pol/ stances not just as memes but as their entire life goals, which is depressing but also a forbidden topic on here, so I won't continue, it's just a weird thing to see. They either want a degenerate e-girl who will cuck them or make onlyfans bux for them both, or an aryan virgin.

Not that 4chan was ever a suitable place to find men anyway. Don't come at me, I just get curious sometimes.

Anonymous 73812

>A lot of men have spent an enormous time alone
Who cares I've never had a boyfriend either and I don't spend all day foaming at the mouth posting about how perfect I need my hypothetical husband to be

Anonymous 73813

The "tradwife" thing is just part of a backlash to women's advancement that typically follows each wave of feminism. They feel that their power is slipping and want to control women to feel better about themselves so they come up with this stupid "tradwife" cope. Funny thing is that in reality despite what men claim they actually don't want or respect "tradwives"/pickmes and will easily cheat on those women with the degenerate onlyfans e-girl if they get the chance.

Anonymous 73814

When you were younger, the robots were younger, too. Now they're mid-life-crisising. They want legacies without having to earn them.

Anonymous 73833

Anonymous 73846

Why are men more obsessed with having kids now than women why is it so hard for them to accept you can have a fulfilling life without them

Anonymous 73847

Just a new version of the submissive Asian wife.

Anonymous 73854


The only factual representation of 4chan as a whole has been, and always will be /b/ since it's just a bunch of mostly normal weirdos venting and being silly. r9k is all discord mtf trannies so big surprise they want to emulate tradwives and shit on women.

Anonymous 73865

it's called a madonna-whore complex, and all of these neet dudes suffer from it

Anonymous 73871

Refer to >>73813. Paternal lineage is the only firm social connection that men have to influence the next generation of people. They may not even like children but they feel entitled to have legal ownership over them. Female emancipation and single motherhood makes them insecure.

Have you been to /b/ lately? It's just a porn dump.

Anonymous 73883

It's mostly porn and complaining about minorities

Anonymous 73885

Not denying the r9k troom presence or anything, but /b/ is nothing but a loli/revenge porn/sex monger bait dumpsterfire and has been for over a decade. Both of them are just precisely what you get when you enforce no rules beyond what's legal and sell it to a mass audience, /b/ was left as it was by the original owner, and under the new leadership it's been allowed to spread to every other board as well.

Anonymous 73886

truth about 4chan.…

That's not it, you midwit.
/b/ was relegated to LEA moderation after the congressional hearing and servers being moved to the federal contractor in Utah.
There's a reason it's bots and incessant porn now, it's not organic. Under the guise of feds moving in to catch cp (which was not even a thing as late as 2008 onwards, the board was effectively killed off and used as training grounds for LEO, and the other boards had their moderators vetted and the API got some "features" such as forwarding posts to LEA in one click. Moreover, the threads started to get archived from that point onward and would only get pruned by said LEA server-side.
/r9k/ was raided incessantly by trannies and literal shills for ages until it turned into this cuckold miscegenation tranny haven. Discord groups astroturfing 24/7 for years, grooming groups, think tanks. It was originally a very different board. Yes, even after the deletion and restart with the robot. Yes, even after the namefag era. It was the core of the website once /b/ died and virtually all popular memes originated in /r9k/.

It's fascinating when people that know absolutely fuck all about what they are talking about yet they are so arrogant and sure of themselves.

Anonymous 73888

All of 4chan is an FBI CP honeypot. It has to be, because spamming child porn is a popular trolling technique on blue boards. /b/ sucks because /b/ sucks.

Anonymous 73889

Surprised to find hiro shills in such distant lands but I will take the bait regardless, either that or you're responding to the wrong person or didn't even read my post.

I notice you don't seem to know the difference between /b/ in 2010 and 2020, but I can spell it out for you: jailbait spambots haven't been around for years, and beyond that your guess is as good as mine as for what's actually "organic" or not. Think feds actually have time to honeypot revenge porn, baiting for sex tourism and loli? Lmao, two of those are just as common on r9k itself nowadays.

While on the subject, loli in particular as you might have noticed, is a "new" flavor of the month favorite for cross-board spammers so now it's on every single board they can get away with it on instead, aside from the meltdown on the /qa/ side of the site. And just like with traps, gays, trooms, blacked, wmaf and every other invasion people like you will prefer to come up with yet another federal conspiracy for why it's happening instead of just facing the simple fact that the site has crap moderation where fucking anyone can get to be an astroturfer. Of course there are coordinated attacks, but that's only possible because mods either don't give a shit about them or actively participate. I have never claimed moot was competent, he didn't react to the early trap-spamming either, but you have very short memory if you don't remember how much worse most boards got with the new leadership and most notably early 2016, especially fucking r9k.

Anonymous 73898

>When did 4chan moids start being obsessed with tradwives?
From what I can remember, it all started around 2014-2016, strongly influenced by /pol/ and other pro-White sites and subtly by normalfag right wingers, as an attack against those liberal feminists who support the doctrine of trannism, pro-sex work, and other tumblr creeds.

The e-girl thing started with both Belle Delphine and that one Nico Yazawa cosplayer who got really popular, and it seems it is here to stay as long as OnlyFans and Tiktok exist.

This is simply the Madonna-whore complex manifesting in 4chan as time passes, with the Madonna time period coming again, I say, with the rise of vtubers and the moids' desire for purity in these 2D girls. Albeit we also get that desire of kill such purity by doxxing and finding out what are the real names and faces of the most popular vtubers.

Anonymous 73904


>all of these neet dudes
more like 90% of the moid population

Anonymous 73907

Your reading comprehension is atrocious.

Anonymous 73908

I just sidestepped your more ridiculous extrapolations because arguing with schizos isn't worthwhile. Certain spambots were the only notable thing ever happening on /b/ around that time and really ever since. Prove the rest or take your meds.

Anonymous 73911

No, in reality you did not address anything. Your entire post can be considered schizoposting and your subsequent rebuttal is mere projection.

The reason /b/ changed so significantly, so quickly is because the moderation is LEOs that do not moderate anything whatsoever and only care about CSA cases. Since there was never even a big issue of CP, even back in 2004-2005, it resulted in /b/ effectively not having any moderation at all.
Thus, it became a testing ground for astroturfing, shills, tournament selection agent-based algorithms, think tanks, viral marketers.

/r9k/ was the board that took the mantle from /b/, being a random board. Even after the reboot, it retained its raison d'être with the robot.
The board was the heart of the website during the 2010-2015 era, and pretty much all memes originate on /r9k/. Pepe, apu apustaja, wojak and various wojak edits, >tfw and feelposting, advice animals reboots, the list goes on.
The namefagging era was also self-contained in /r9k/.
The whole "e-girl" fad also originated in /r9k/ and the resulting discord groups and late-coming e-girls that migrated to /soc/.

At some point bad actors from /lgbt/ and tranny discords started astroturfing incessantly, trying to groom mentally ill robots into becoming trannies. This is all well documented.

The same groups and several others started astroturfing with miscegenation and "blackled" incessantly, to further demoralize and disorient the userbase. Moreover, something that you likely don't know is the fact that /r9k/ had the largest female userbase after the /cgl/ exodus. The shills were also hard at work to produce "content" disgusting enough to oust women as well.
How come misogynist content and porn was cranked to 11 recently?
Even 5 years ago all robots would post tfw no gf content and feelpost/post original greentexts. It was one of the few boards that didn't really bother with the tits or GTFO mantra. Several namefags were women and no one cared. Daily vocaroo threads with women talking to robots and vice versa.
/adv/ was created early on precisely because /r9k/ had become a relationship board and there was blowback.
/soc/ was created for similar reasons. That's why contact posting and rate threads are now bannable on /r9k/, because /r9k/ had such a balanced male to female userbase that it had devolved to a relationship board.
All that changed so quickly that even the cognitively insolvent realized that it was not organic.

You are such a newfag that I bet the earliest thing you can recall is ciara/bianca/whatever other e-girl was flavor of the month recently. 4chan moderators come in two flavors: Somethingawful oldfags that are degenerate tranny sympathizer boomers, LEA vetted plants, and some (2) libertarian retards. The janitors are effectively ALL plants and agent provocateurs. I bet you also never bothered to lurk IRC in the last decade to experience who these people are.

Anonymous 73912

Don't know if the LEO thing is true or not but what you've said about the boards changing is correct. /fa/ also used to have some female name posters but they are all gone.

Anonymous 73915

woah actually based

Anonymous 73916

/fa/, /mu/, /an/ - they all had sizable (in relation to daily posts average) female population.
Now it's just /r9k/ (a fraction of the original pop), /a/, /lit/ and some other niche boards like /cm/, /c/, /d/, /jp/, /hm/ and /adv/.

Girls overwhelmingly lurk now, and unfortunately they are drawn to nu/r9k/, /pol/, nu/fit/ and take in all the astroturfing and emotionally flagellate themselves, reinforcing their negative thoughts and issues. Same can be said for guys, but they are too far gone at this point.

cc is a step in the right direction, but it's not that far removed. At least moderation makes an effort to keep the IB insulated.

Anonymous 73922

It's an old conspiracy for why /b/ has virtually no moderation, but since they never provide any substance it's a very uninteresting theory. I guess my drunk monkey floods every other month counts as csa cases or whatever.

I couldn't care less about the gender ratio on any board, but joining the occasional chatroom might be a revelation, though I don't think those who join them say very much about the general board population. Gender just isn't relevant for the vast majority of posts outside of body boards or r9k, so trying to figure out actual ratios from the very few people who name/trip/passfag isn't very meaningful.

I give you only that your pic didn't actually call it a honeypot because of those bots as is usual when this is brought up, but otherwise you just said the same thing as your first post so there's nothing new to respond to.

Not sure if the rest was even supposed to be a response to me or just a general statement, all I said on r9k is that it's invaded all the time by literally everyone and as the moderation is crap nothing is done about any of it, which over time weeds out people who bother making real oc in favor of starved lurkers and spam-machines. The multiple waves of excessive normie-tier relationship spam was rightfully dealt with, but try bringing this up about every other invasion and you'll realize that the root of the issue is that there is even less leadership than under moot, not whatever this months spammers decide to flood even if its some variation of troom 90% of the time. I really don't know if you responded to me only to point out that /b/ didn't die for the same reason as every other board (which to my mind is unfounded and silly, but still an incredibly minor point), because aside from that you only seem to be listing random facts that are either unrelated to what I said or doesn't contend with it at all. Map out trooms and their grooming gangs and plants all you want, it's hiro who let these people stay despite what they're doing to the boards in the end.

Anonymous 73926

>/r9k/ was the board that took the mantle from /b/, being a random board. Even after the reboot, it retained its raison d'être with the robot.
The board was the heart of the website during the 2010-2015 era, and pretty much all memes originate on /r9k/. Pepe, apu apustaja, wojak and various wojak edits, >tfw and feelposting, advice animals reboots, the list goes on.

That's not true at all. Wojak is a 30 something disabled neet from Warsaw, the picture associated with him was made on old vichan prolly around 2008, apu comes from yil, why do you think it has a finnish name? tfw posts come from wojak spamming on krautchan.

Anonymous 73927



The community's most notable accomplishment was Habbo raids. /b/ didn't need an alphabet org's help to decline.

Anonymous 73928

I've seen Pol but not the robots. Ideal gf for them goes like this: Virgin, Fertile healthy, Homeschool the Kids, wants kids. Just from seeing the odd greentext story from r9k they seem beyond reproach

Anonymous 73932

/hm/ has always been gay guys, /cm/ even if they were there from the start they've been way more vocal these past few years. They even get into the bl/otome thread on /jp/.

Anonymous 73946

I don't really care about the history of 4chan but am still interested in theories that relate to the OP question. Anyone have thoughts on that?

Anonymous 73954

You want an answer that aligns with your worldview and preconceived notions and biases.
Any answer to questions that have to do with men will be met with ridicule and incessant screeching unless it paints the entire demographic in a negative, irredeemable light.

Men want traditional wives for similar reasons women want a traditional lifestyle and traditional husbands.
The entire society is degenerating and devolving at alarming rates, western people are bereft of a purpose, races are forced to coexist to the detriment of everyone, people cannot afford to attain happiness and contentment, antidepressant use, alcohol abuse, drug abuse at all-time highs, deification of decadence and inversion of mores, pedestalization of ugliness and degeneracy, vilification of white people, white/western cultural heritage, incessant astroturfing, censorship, demoralization.

People dream of an idealized life. A spouse, a big house, children, involved and engaged parenthood, gender roles that clearly define and accentuate each other's strengths and a sense of purpose that comes with it.

Men today think women are irredeemable whores who have body counts in the triple digits, that cheat on them, invite migrant men and subsidize them with their taxes, divorce-rape them, and send them to jail with false-rape accusations.
Women today think of men like irredeemable rapists, users or smelly incels, that are one bad day away from shooting up their school/office, that dream of enslaving women, and will statistically rape at least 4 women in their lifetime according to snopes, who have obsessive and intrusive thoughts of beating up women daily.

People in general want purpose, companionship, peace, contentment.

Anonymous 73961

If we were programmed to seek out long-term partners, we wouldn't have divorce at all.

Anonymous 73962

That makes no sense. People ending up in bad relationships doesn't mean people don't want long term relationships.

Anonymous 73963

If people wanted long-term relationships, they'd make their relationships work. But they don't. The majority of relationships fail. They'd rather cat around than commit.

Anonymous 73982

I miss even the cancer era where trip generals were constant, and there were several you would see in every thread, but the only one I remember went by vyro
I thought it was awful, but now I want to go back.

Anonymous 73989

Yeah, I look back fondly to that era even though it was pure unadulterated cancer.
Ricky was a sperg, eeyore was an absolute angsty retard, lettuce was an attentionwhore, vyro was a failed normalfag and strung along quite a few girls.

I miss spaghetti stories and tendies greentexts so much, the board lost something intangible after the reboot. It's been steadily going downhill since.

Anonymous 74028

This. A failed relationship isn't a personal failing, jfc. You meet someone, you like them, you date them, you get to know them better, eventually you notice their behaviors that they've hidden from you during the "dating" stage and that's when you really know them. No amount of extended courtship can spare you that, most people don't let their guard down and show their real self until they've settled in. Sometimes you like what you get, sometimes you don't.

Anonymous 74029

Monogamy is the actual sexual revolution.

Anonymous 74198


Today, I found out that racial transformation fetishes are a thing. It was mostly /pol/tards writing long rants about how "horrible and unattractive" black women are, and that's why they want to degrade "pure, intelligent" white or Asian women by making them black.
Men really freak me out and disgust me. They're the one group who hate and get angry about things, then literally jerk off about them. It's not like I haven't seen the usual racist stereotypes about being overweight/morbidly obese, ugly with caricature features, loud, illiterate, on welfare and having 6000 kids and 5893389 STDs. It's annoying and kind of sad, but not a single one of those things applies to me (not to humblebrag), so it's whatever.
Finding out about this content and the discourse around it is the harshest reminder that not even being considered "undesirable" will save you from these "people's" psychosis. Anything and everything is fair game to their twisted sexuality. "Good" women, "bad" women, men, old people, children, animals, inanimate objects, dead bodies. They'll make a huge show of calling you an ugly subhuman, and then they'll still find a way to involve their worst, most cartoonishly nasty image of you in their fetid, coom-decayed brains. They're like animals that only exist to worsen everything. I wish I could wash my mind and never know about these things. I wish men didn't exist. Just leave us alone.

Anonymous 74216

I deleted all the nudes off my phone just now forever, feels good

Anonymous 74273


Women hate and jewish hate all in one tweet, men really are vile

Anonymous 74284

so, i'm quite into the japanese entertainment industry. being fans of the actresses and music artists and the things they go through with their husbands constantly reminds me how men are completely shit.
>former idol (22), now an actress, is MIA for 5 months after catching covid
>announces that she is 5 months pregnant and getting married to a youtuber
>said youtuber (28) was on hiatus for half a year and returned in 2020 after having savagely beat and trampled his ex-girlfriend while drunk for confronting him on his infidelity
>fans are obviously concerned
>former idol's husband-to-be posts a youtube video
talking about how he doesn't have a criminal record and has told his wife about his past (assuming the abuse) and is okay with it
>half a day later, the TMZ/shaderoom of japan hosts a livestream with evidence that the youtuber has been in contact with a 15 year old girl
>15 year old girl was threatened by youtuber to send over 30 nudes varying in intensity including showing school id and where she lived
>girl was worried and confided in her friend about situation, and friend confronts the youtuber
>youtuber says he betrayed her and threatens her with a lawyer and risk of doxxing her
>this all happened while the youtuber was dating his future wife
>said youtuber even said that he was a "lolicon" and he wasn't "interested" in his girlfriend at the moment
>this blows up all over social media and the company he's under starts trending in japan
>they try to cover it up and start deleting comments on his channel
>doesn't work
>TMZ of japan hosts another livestream and shows screenshots of the 15 y.o's dm of the youtuber begging her not to go to police or to tell her parents, she ignores him and decides to go the police
>a day later his company terminates his contract and he turns himself into the police/gets arrested by the police
>former idol now has a child for a domestic abuser and pedophile
as of now nothing else has been heard. because of how shitty japanese laws are this man probably won't even get time in prison. but i just feel really bad for both the girl and the former idol. the youtuber in linkrel breaks down the situation better

Anonymous 74286


How about you wake up and actually employ critical thinking?


Anonymous 74287

Angelo John Gage is a professional lifestyle coach (professionally certified as such by Tony Robbins' self-help organization). He makes money running a service teaching what professes to be "self-improvement" and dating advice. His money and income are literally generated by not being an incel and exploiting incels into believing that if they hate jews enough then they too will not be incels; since the primary qualification is "not being an incel," approximately 95% of all men are as qualified as Angelo to make money in that manner, but Angelo manages to be a member of the elite minority of men who transform socially predatory moral depravity from a hobby to a profession.

That means that Gage supporters fall into two categories; morally bankrupt would-be scam artists who see the end result of promoting Nazism as justifying the means of scamming the lower orders of man out of their pitifully small reserves of money and happiness, and unusually stupid incels who fall prey to such scams.

It is honestly shocking to see how many white nationalists will support any scam artist so long as he promotes racism; when con artists are exposed in movements filled with honest men, the honest men will generally exile the shyster to preserve their own integrity. This happens even in large-scale elaborate cons, such as organized religion. But not only is Angelo John Gage not the biggest fraud in white nationalism, he is also not the most important. David Duke himself defrauded his own supporters out of a considerable amount of money–more than some of his uneducated and underemployed fans could afford, which is why they bothered to take their case to the courts. Duke is one of the surprisingly numerous instance of white supremacist leaders who went to prison not for harm done to blacks, but to his own white nationalist followers. The only time I am aware of the alt right actually refusing to support one of their leading con artists was the case of the Nazi leader who led the march on Skokie, Illinois, who went to prison not for any of the neonazi racist activities he was promoting, but for using his connections with his Nazi group to molest underage boys. If it had just been their money that was stolen instead of their young relatives who were sodomized they might never have turned on him.

Anonymous 74289

>298 Jewish feminists
wtf I never knew the jews were so based

Anonymous 74293

Who invited leftypol here?

Anonymous 74466

does anybody remember this "MJmage" tripfag?

Anonymous 75247

its wild that in the US, if you do anything at all with a girl who is a day younger than 18 you will be judged for it for life
but this guy can get away with abusing and threatening girls as young as 15

Anonymous 75261


>its wild that in the US, if you do anything at all with a girl who is a day younger than 18 you will be judged for it for life
Judged, maybe. As long as he is not famous, or the girl wasn’t a perfect victim, or he was only in his 20’s. Criminal prosecution is really only guaranteed if he took pictures or made videos, and the girl is just as likely to get in trouble for it as he is.

Men are disgusting creatures and are rarely punished for it. Even ones paranoid about the law prefer women that are young and as easy to manipulate as possible. That is the ultimate pink pill.

Anonymous 75320

>go on twitter
>see that fgm is trending because today is fgm awareness day
>it's all tweets of men (and handmaidens) "w-what about our boys?! their genitals are still allowed to be mutilated, you don't care about them! both are just as bad!"
this is one of the most digusting topics on earth and they still show zero empathy
it's not like male circumcision is a thing in my country, not a single tweet of a man actually suffering because of that, they simply can't stand the thought of women "getting" something and they not

Anonymous 75332

you can't really get in trouble for having sex with someone a day younger than 18… If you think that's true, please provide news articles. This kind of rhetoric is stupid.

Anonymous 75512

Ok i have a question.

Why do moids think that women live on easy mode?

Are they that fucking re*?

Anonymous 75513

They think that supposed easy access to shallow sexual attention = “easy mode.” Since they are so emotionally inept and pornsick, they think that access to sex = a fulfilling life.

Anonymous 75804

I dunno seems to stem from them thinking you get treated better just for being a girl like employers wanting to fill diversity quotas or that certain behaviours are more socially acceptable/cute if you're a girl like being shy or having obscure hobbies. But it fails to take into account that most of that is only true if you're pretty, being ugly means you still get judged for all that stuff and treated poorly by everyone.

Anonymous 75842

Is the female version chad-betabux complex? lol

Anonymous 75846


No, it’s in fact much older than that. The man will want a relationship with a woman they respect and view as “pure” while not respecting an sexual woman despite being highly attracted to her. It results in them not being able to get it up around the “Madonna” partner despite loving and respecting them greatly, with this ending up with the man cheating on them with a series of “whores”. The classic example is a man marrying a woman and having a child with her. After their wife becomes a mother, these men stop seeing them as a sexual being and lose interest and start cheating despite being very in love with their wife.
This differs from the Chad/beta dichotomy because it suggests women never stop wanting Chad and will just settle with a beta for financial necessity. Contrastly, the man will love and respect the Madonna that they settle with, just not as a sexual being and will seek out the whore to fulfill them sexually (without respect for the whore). Being the “Madonna” or the “whore” is both equally bad for the woman while it’s obviously better to be the Chad than the beta.
Also a Madonna/whore complex is clearly a “some men” thing (unless you’re actually retarded) cuz it’s, yaknow, a complex, while the Chad/beta dichotomy is legitimately how moids think women view them.

So we’re right they’re wrong btfo r9k lurkers lmao

Anonymous 75854

>It results in them not being able to get it up around the “Madonna” partner despite loving and respecting them greatly
It certainty the case sometimes, but don't shoehorn. It's hard to explain the issue, because the word "love" is poorly defined in english. Greeks, for example, had 6 different words for love. One form of love usually prevails, and could even completely overshadow all the other. If you deeply love (philia) the other person, it could be hard to also love (eros) them deeply at the same time. This is what creates the conflict. And even if you feel both form of love at the same time, it is possible for one form (eros for example) to disappear, while other form is still strong.
>After their wife becomes a mother, these men stop seeing them as a sexual being
Childbearing takes a tall on woman's body. Both physiologically and psychologically.
It's very naive to attribute everything to a complex or blame just one party.

Anonymous 75856

So I’m correct, good to know (:

Anonymous 75867

They view a tradwife as a sort of safe haven from the choices of women they think they would have to settle down with. They’re all scared of divorce as well so a tradwife is seen as a sort of safety net

Anonymous 75869

The attention that all attractive girls get moids want, but the rights and opportunities men are given girls want.

Anonymous 75892

Psychoanalysis has very little efficacy. It would be wrong to outright assume these things. Although I do believe this one to be, at least partially, true.

Anonymous 75925

much of 4chan posters are now in their mid to late 20s and early 30s. once you get to that age you realize the most important thing is having a family, a little tribe, because that's the whole fucking reason we're living.

it's hard to have a family when the woman you are with (thinks) she wants to have the same masculine role while keeping the positive characteristics of the traditional female gender role

Anonymous 75927

> once you get to that age you realize the most important thing is having a family, a little tribe, because that's the whole fucking reason we're living.
I laughed, thanks.

Anonymous 75928

why do you laugh ???
is this not true for you?

Anonymous 75938

It’s funny that they desire something they will never have.
They hate women, they hate femininity. They hate the fact that no matter how weak or helpless we're made to be, we’re the only people that chave more of a claim to their children due to biological realities.
They claim to want a tradwife with no job, but they can barely support themselves. They claim they want a teen virgin, but could never deal with teen girl bullshit. They claim they want children but they aren’t allowed within 100 feet of a school.
Imagine hating women and spouting this nonsense. Even the biggest pick-mes see this and will never go for them, choosing a life of simps and tradthottery instead. It’s honestly pathetic. Maybe men do have it harder lmao

Anonymous 75942

'they' is a reference that should be looked at more carefully, because in this case 'they' is the generalized sum of 4chan's feelings towards women, which is very memeified (and based to an extent on real feelings obv)

i have a friend who is culturally WASP. Very polite, understanding, sticks to schedules and modesty, but works out and is in very good shape. Yet, he complains how he cannot find a decent girl. with people like him, the requirements are not much- be somewhat conservative and have decent personality.

that is a very different expectation than that of a r9k incel that expects the best qualities from women despite offering little, but both these feelings are a reaction to the same social problem currently occurring in modern developed countries where the female gender role now allows and encourages for previously 'masculine' or 'agender' traits to be adopted (and keeping positive traits of the traditional gender role) while the traditional male gender role has not been changed. worse, it is trying to be altered into adopting more feminine traits while discouraging masculine traits.

all this leads to a clear imbalance most apparent in places where both genders' traits are reflected in most- dating. 4chan's obsession with tradwives stems from this imbalance they experience personally in dating as they have trouble with having the same traditional male role expectations women have of them (in order to date them) while being challenged by the same women with their newly-bestowed masculine traits.

yes, men do have it harder and we can see that reflected by dumb fuck incel degenerates and general woman hatred on the site. very sad

Anonymous 75943

I got a bf there, he's a real sweetheart

Anonymous 76798


Anonymous 77147


You ever think about how many male “heroes”, “geniuses” and “intellectuals” leeched off of, abused and raped the women in their lives?
Specifically thinking of Leo Tolstoy here, but there are countless other examples. Men are literal parasites.

Anonymous 77158


Quite often.

Anonymous 77183

There are no geniuses like that these days because men don’t have women to be their personal slaves.

Anonymous 77184

That's very cool actually if true.

Anonymous 77259

The answer is very simple.

10 years ago it was all about being a pick-up-artist and pulling girls. Only girls who were almost perfect looking model-females were seen as barely human.

Every half ugly NEET thought he could get a harem of women so why settle for one? Freeing up sexuality was important for them and relationship's were just "such burdens" for them. Why would they want to settle down for one woman when they can fuck so many new ones?

Fast forward 10 years and it turns out the whole pick up artist narrative was a lie. Freeing up sexuality only gave women more sexual power. Those men who didn't wanna settle down with "one woman" and who argued that "the natural state for men is to spread their seed", realized they actually didn't even end up with one woman. They ended up with zero. Literally freeing up sexuality so they could "spread their seed without female's whining" made them into incels.

Very soon, it turned out women actually hold most of the cards sexually, because men are by nature less sexually valuable.

Oh noes, now we have to change our preferences, because the second best thing after "spreading one's seed" into multiple women is to at least spread the seed into one female.

This is where this whole "anti-thottery" bullshit comes from. They caused it to themselves. 100%. I remember arguing with these pick up artists that this is immoral and they should care more about women's personalities, not just looks. I remember making a case for monogamy.

Nope, "that's not in mens nature", "men want extremely attractive women and to spread their seed and to be free".

Ok, you got what you wanted. Women are now thots and choose to fuck whoever they want. Which made most men into incels. Now suddenly the appearance of a woman is secondary - the most important thing is if she is her personality (how submissive or naive she is) so they can basically have a houseslave to rape.

Look at all these "reformed" pick up artists, like YogiOabs or Roosh V.

They caused all of this themselves, but of course they will blame it all on women or on "feminism".

Anonymous 77260


I actually remember trying to find a boyfriend in the early 2010s. It was impossible, most normie men were infatuated with this pick up artist bullshit and "relationships were just such burdens to them". It was always this sense of that sticking to one woman was just too much to ask from them. If you actually managed to get into a relationship "they were not ready to settle down" because they could "play the field" still.

Now those same men are suddenly "reformed", because they just failed massively by overestimating their value and underestimating female value. What happened instead, is that female's just started playing them back - and now they suddenly act like the kings of morality.

No "feminism" isn't the downfall of the "modern woman". Bro's and PUA's and all of these misogynysts were. Which was 90% of the male population like 10 years ago when I grew up.

Now those people are suddenly reformed and want a tradwife, because now it is not fun to play the losing game anymore, give me a fucking break. These moids are fucking pathetic.

Anonymous 77268


Based and recent take

Inb4 the obvious moid comments that it’s actually da joos fault, not daddy rooshie selling them a lie to make a buck.

Anonymous 77274

Yup, da joos, da feminizmz, da societies fault. Many don't even see women as human lol, maybe that's the problem.

They just always have such over-inflated sense of self-importance and then they just fall flat on their fucking faces. Thereafter they proceed to cry and blame women, joos, feminizmz, or other shit over the society they themselves created lmao.

Anonymous 77275

Yep, I've seen this fucking happen in real time.
Funny thing is that literal nazis won't take these "reformed" PUAs in. I've seen it with Roosh. They form cliques of racist and woman-hating rightwing libertarians.
>and now they suddenly act like the kings of morality.
I laugh whenever incels pretend to pride themselves on their "chastity" and are "saving themselves for marriage", lol, it's so fucking cynical. These men have no morals they are just coping rejects.
>"they were not ready to settle down" because they could "play the field" still.
I can see the copes forming already in male spaces. Men saying that their PEAK is in their 50s and they'll be drowning in options to either sleep around or lock down a bangmaid. I don't know what the next phase of the male dating strategists is going to be once they realize that being a balding scrote who works in a car dealership isn't going to make stacies flock to your dick.
>Many don't even see women as human
Funny how men could find a nice girl if they treated women like humans. Men are so fucking retarded and their brains are warped by the opinions of other men. They'd rather ___-maxx and treat dating like a game than find a girl they like treat her with respect.
They'd rather pretend to be the patriarch of a harem or pretend to be the patriarch and sole owner of a single female like she's his property. Most simply cannot wrap their minds around seeing women as anything else.

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